G3S Mafia #4 | Game over - Town wins!

[Sokr]

Well, it looks like I'm close to getting lynched.

Here's my read list in case some people become a little overzealous before I check this thread again:

Zen
frozenmarsh
MB
Masq
RR
Kafk
Rake
Potassium
Scary
Xatres
Sokr

Okay this is the second time your read has hinged on that phrase with no substance behind your words.

Find some examples of me "looking for scum" that you liked that helped with your townread on me.

Find some examples of Joey "not looking for scum" that made you slightly scumread him.

Huh? You mean every single one of his posts? I don't get this question. I'll get those examples on you though.

I think I got my laptop issues sorted out for the time being. Wireless card acting up because of some recent installations and unsupported drivers.


Sokr, what kind of read did you have on me and how did it change as you said in your #378?

I had a scum lean on you. Now I have a town read on you.

Sokr if you were joke voting Xatres, then why did you ask how many votes he was at before unvoting, ie indicating that your vote was serious. An unserious vote doesn't warrant a serious unvote.

I didn't mean to indicate that. It was merely something to say so that my unvote made sense. Which apparently it didn't.

 

[Xivii]

Unvote


In case some people become a little overzealous before he checks the thread again.

 

[Xatres]

@Zen: I believe your unvote puts it at L-3. I'm typically comfortable people sitting at L-2, but do whatever you think is safe. I think Sokr's probably a good play, but it's still much too early to lynch. Kafkaesque has yet to post and FrozenMarsh has yet to do more than hop wagons.

 

[Sokr]

@Rake and FroMo: You have both said I'm a good play for today but have also both neglected to say why. Why am I a good play today?

 

[Sokr]

EBWOP: Rake was supposed to be Xatres

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

An issue I'm having is that now that I've taking the time to understand Rake's pressure, I see how awful my early game was. Rake, let me ask you this: What is the point of the alliance that you wanted to form with me? What is your intent here?

to see if you would do it and how you would carry it out and to what extent given your read on me

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

See now, here's this thing: no newbie starts at the same pace and some take more time to get a handle on it. I took my time but then I was in a ****ty position for a newbie to be at when I started. I remember Soup taking a lot of time to really ramp up to where he's at now, same with everything I've heard about Kuz.

This is simply a matter of fact: he is a newbie and you have to factor that into your read on him, regardless of whether or not you want to. Just because he knew it was a normal game did not mean he went in knowing the full stakes.

I've already said this was a fairt point, please stop rambling about it if you've seen the light on my intentions

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I fully expect the swords hydra to post, if not i will assume scum and go fromn there

 

[Xatres]

@Sokr: Most of what I think makes you a good play has been said, but as far as what struck me about your play first was your explanation of why you went along with Rake. It seemed like you were piggybacking on my own explanation for why you said you liked Rake's case. You said you thought you might "help out" and yet you didn't put any pressure on Scary at all. All you said is, "Yeah, I guess I can see what Rake is saying" and then proceed to put a vote on me instead. (I get that this is a gross generalization, but I hope you know what I mean).

I also thought your vote/unvote was pointless. In particular, your idea about adding an explanation for your unvote to try to make it "make sense" ... didn't make sense.

As town, you could have simply deleted the line that said "Vote: Xatres" and left it at that. No need for the unvote and the explanation. I wasn't anywhere near getting quicklynched. At best, if you weren't paying attention, I would have had 2 votes on me, one of which was from myself. There was no need to have the vote/unvote in the post at all.

As scum, you could throw the vote out there to get people thinking about my play, then gain yourself town points by seeming conscientious of a potential quicklynch.

If you really wanted to "help out" Rake, you wouldn't have thrown a vote on me at all, you would have voted for Scary (as Rake did) and/or said something to him directly to gauge a reaction (as I did). This tells me that the point of your post wasn't to help Rake produce reactions or scumhunt, but to make yourself look more like a townie.

Hence, my scum read.

 

[Kantrip]

Sokr I'm in the process of rereading and I just have to ask you one thing. Where did the confidence on some of your reads come from? Zen town, me town, and Xat scum, in particular.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I have cheesy bread. it told me to lynch sokr.

 

[Sokr]

@Potassium:
Zen appears much more at ease and loose in this game than FE:A where he was more serious.
You town I've already explained.
Xatres wasn't at all confident. It was a hunch. You'll notice in one of my previous reads list that I point out that my scum lean on him was very slight.

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: Xatres

Town: Joey, Ruy, Scary
Townie: Rake, Zen, Sokr
Null: Kafkaesque, Magic Bounce
Scummy: frozenmarsh
Scum: Xatres

[Collapse=Relevant notes]

-Sokr #7 – Reading this with the possibility of Sokr scum in mind. He wasn't under any sort of pressure in confirmation phase so naturally his posts will come off as comfortable. Lack of nerves here are not a towntell. Null.


-Xatres #8 – Still a legit conversation between Sokr and Xatres. They are not scummates.


-Sokr #66 – Calling Zen “so town” this early is odd. I get that the play is different and I too like Zen at this stage, but it's confidence I'm not used to from Sokr.


-Xatres #99 – Okay. On second read, I really don't like this. Sure he's showing that he's comfortable with a wagon being on him and he's all good with voting himself, but he's missing that a big part of why wagons are effective is because it sees how the person being wagoned reacts to the pressure. When they're part of the pressure, they're obviously not going to give us a worthwhile reaction. So basically Xatres voting himself with Zen is wasting our time and not some sort of clever idea to stir discussion. He can call it that, but it's really a distraction where we can't read Xatres because he's not sharing his stances and just voting himself. Leaning scum.


-Sokr #114 – This post, if looking for scum Sokr, could be him leaving an option of finding Zen scum in the future open. He gives me all the (legit) reasons why Zen looks town to him, and then gives a possibility for him to be scum. Still though, I see this as classic town Sokr who is weighing the options and seeing both sides of the coin. This is why his reads are pretty good a lot of the time, because he takes the time to consider both scenarios (town and scum). I really feel Sokr town off of this.


-Zen #119 – I like that Zen saw the option weighing as a town tell too. It seems like he noticed the same thing I did, meta aside, in that Sokr was looking at people considering them being town or scum as an option.

-Sokr #132 – Despite the post where Sokr first calls Zen town sounding really confident, this post has a lot more “but I'll give the read time before I feel too certain” and other such qualifiers. This, I think, is a good thing. Sokr answers my question just how I hoped he would.


-Xatres #139 – Justifies his lack of doing anything by saying Zen is taking up all of his time with questions. The part where he says he likes to sit back more D1 is fine, but blaming Zen for his lack of content also happens and that is not fine. The Xastrn hydra got lynched D1 as scum in Majora's Mask and got pushed really hard in FE:A. This whole “being careful” thing, even if correct meta, could be Xatres trying to avoid the early heat he's gotten in all the games I've seen him in. I allowed the meta to change my mind on him the first time I read this, but it really doesn't make it okay at all. Xatres scum. And his #140, him finally asking a question, is completely useless.


-Xatres #177 – Even with this meta ringing true, it doesn't remedy the real problems I have with Xatres.
Being passive D1 is one thing, but there's more to it.


-Xatres #223 – I'm conflicted on these posts from Xatres. He could be adding pressure to aid Rake, like he says, but why didn't he throw his vote on as well? The constant allusion to Scary having scummates and basically flat-out calling him scum without voting him is pretty hollow pressure. And his tone just... bugs me. I don't know, this is mostly gut but I can't dismiss the bad feelings I get when reading Xatres's posts at Scary.


-Sokr #261 – There are two more cases of Sokr's overwhelming confidence here. He confidently calls Xastrn scum and says, with confidence, that he's glad I'm town because he worried he'd have to go up against me. This is in response to me calling him town though, and not in response to anything of mine. This is super strange. I don't understand Sokr. In some posts he has exactly what I expect with the doubting of reads and the weighing both sides, and in others he states absolutes with so much certainty and conviction that really isn't warranted. Is he faking confidence? Or is he confident because he's scum? The Xatres vote and unvote in the same post are also odd.


-Sokr #264 – Wanted a more in-depth response for his read on me. Didn't like this general answer, and then he just flips it later on to apply a scumread to someone (Scary, I think?).


-Xatres #266 – The first sentence of this post really bothers me. It ties into earlier with being so calm with the pressure that was, all in all, a waste of time.


-Xatres #358 – This. Stuff. Is. So. Obvious. For someone who likes to keep his cards close to his chest and observe at the beginning of the game, I was expecting Xatres to wait until he had something more insightful to say, but this stuff wasn't insightful at all. I want Xatres to die.


-Sokr #378 – Townie.


-Sokr #390 – Sokr actually picked up on kind of what bothered my about the tone of Xatres's posts directed at Scary, and I like that he says he didn't dislike that Xatres was helping with the pressure. In this exchange, Xatres is scummier.


-Zen #405 – Zen's points are Sokr's overconfident reads (I agree that these are strange), not liking one of his posts (I don't think that post is really scummy as much as weird. Don't see scum intent), and his support of Rake's case which Zen says didn't exist. I saw earlier that Rake's case very much existed and there were points there, however weak and incorrect. I disagree with Zen saying that Sokr had nothing to be liking, as there was actually a lot in Rake's case for how early in the game it was and how few posts Scary had. Last post about the Xatres vote I agree is also very strange for Sokr. In the end, I do see where Zen is coming from with points but I think others are untrue and I do think Sokr is town in this.
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To summarize Sokr town: There are things I see from Sokr that are really strange to me, for sure. There are things I've never seen him do before, strange fake confidence and more. But there is also the underlying sense that he is looking at players, weighing their actions as town and scum, and generally trying to get reads. Read notes for specific examples and to see my thought process as I read.

To summarize Xatres scum: At first I dismissed my dislike of his play because the meta he gave me was correct and covered all of it. Reading again, however, I found things that were scummy regardless of whether or not he is a background D1 player. The calmness and voting himself as an RVS wagon was meant to make him look comfortable and fine with being wagoned, but it was dumb because it showed that he doesn't care about finding scum. Wagoning yourself won't get you any reactions to pressure, and he even kept his vote on himself while he was helping Rake pressure Scary. He didn't actually add his vote to that Scary pressure, and the way he worded his pressure just irked me. Read over the posts or my notes for yourself because it's hard to describe in thought-vomit form.

 

[Kantrip]

@Potassium:
Zen appears much more at ease and loose in this game than FE:A where he was more serious.
You town I've already explained.
Xatres wasn't at all confident. It was a hunch. You'll notice in one of my previous reads list that I point out that my scum lean on him was very slight.

Yeah but I was asking about why you were so CONFIDENT about those. I already know your reasoning.

When you first called Xatres scum you had a very confident "yeah he's scum" along with a vote that you later (in the same post) retracted.

I'm still waiting for specific posts of mine you liked.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Xatres

 

[Kantrip]

Just got alerts saying Kafkaesque is liking some of my posts. I expect content

 

[Kantrip]

Aaaaand they left the thread.

Vig them please.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Rake, any thoughts on Xatres or do you want to stick where we're at?

 

[Sokr]

Yeah but I was asking about why you were so CONFIDENT about those. I already know your reasoning.

When you first called Xatres scum you had a very confident "yeah he's scum" along with a vote that you later (in the same post) retracted.

I'm still waiting for specific posts of mine you liked.

Ok. Tbh, I was pretty excited after FE:A ended and was on what I guess you could call a "mafia high". So naturally I was excited for the next game to start (this one) and I dove into it. Hence my out of place confidence. I know no one else can back this up but I did tell you something along those lines IRL after FE:A.

 

[Xivii]

Town: Zen, Rake, Kantrip, Ruy, Scary

Null: Kafkaesque

Vigbait: frozenmarsh (possibly trying to draw in the mafia kill by playing like a PR? Whatevs vig this dude for real)

Weak Scum Lean: Joey, Magic Bounce

Strong Scum Lean: Sokr, Xatres

I still have a scum read on Sokr, but I trust Kantrip's read on him more than I do my own, and probably wont lynch him unless Kantrip leads it. Still think Joey is scummy, but again I don't really trust that read without having more. If frozenmarsh is vig, I wouldn't mind a joey shot. Otherwise frozenmarsh should really go. As I said earlier, Xatres just doesn't seem to actually have hunting scum down in his agenda. He really is doing a whole lot of nothing. Magic bounce doesn't have any scum reads which is irking me. And his vote on Sokr was really odd to me, felt bussy/opportunistic. They're the only ones out of my scum reads I wouldn't lynch today though. I really just want to see more out of them.


Some random and unlikely thought possibilities that have gone through my head:
-Fromarsh seeming opportunistic and manipulative with his voting. He only seems to be voting for wagons in which the leader of it is dead set on lynching that person or at least portraying themselves as so. Rake on Scary. Me on Joey. Me on Sokr. Just a possibility that he was voting for those people thinking that the leader would tunnel that person into oblivion and that his vote would catalyze that.

-Possible Potassium traitor out to save mafia Sokr. Or Potassium mafia goon out to save mafia doc Sokr.
Nah doubt it. Yeah no. What a dumb thought.

-Ruy playing very...good. The last time he played this way and so level headed he was scum (Taco Bell) mafia. But who cares about meta. I think he's just into the game.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Please don't vig me

 

[Xatres]

Working on a response to Potassium's latest post before I hit the sack, but I'll just throw this out there:

Don't rely on Majora's Mask for meta. If you read that game, you'll notice that every single hydra post was in orange. I was out of town all of D1 and basically left Dastrn out to dry. I never even read the game until like a month ago.

 

[Xatres]

EBWOP: I've never actually played as scum in forum mafia before. Luck of the draw has left me a townie in every other game but the one I bailed on. :-/

 

[Xatres]

@Potassium: You make some valid points in your case against me, but also left some glaring holes as well. I'll run down the list.

-Xatres #8 – Still a legit conversation between Sokr and Xatres. They are not scummates.

This is actually pretty astute. I suppose a Sokr/Xatres scumteam COULD have planned it, but I think your assessment of T/T or T/S is logical.

-Xatres #99 – Okay. On second read, I really don't like this. Sure he's showing that he's comfortable with a wagon being on him and he's all good with voting himself, but he's missing that a big part of why wagons are effective is because it sees how the person being wagoned reacts to the pressure. When they're part of the pressure, they're obviously not going to give us a worthwhile reaction. So basically Xatres voting himself with Zen is wasting our time and not some sort of clever idea to stir discussion. He can call it that, but it's really a distraction where we can't read Xatres because he's not sharing his stances and just voting himself. Leaning scum.

On first read, you asked me directly why I voted for myself. Here's the exchange:

Early wagons get people talking, and the pressure doesn't really bother me. Was that the answer you were looking for?

Something along the lines of generating discussion.

QUESTION: In our earlier exchange, you seemed to not only accept my reasoning, but expect that reasoning as well. What exactly made you more suspicious upon second read? Just gut feels?

-Xatres #139 – Justifies his lack of doing anything by saying Zen is taking up all of his time with questions. The part where he says he likes to sit back more D1 is fine, but blaming Zen for his lack of content also happens and that is not fine. The Xastrn hydra got lynched D1 as scum in Majora's Mask and got pushed really hard in FE:A. This whole “being careful” thing, even if correct meta, could be Xatres trying to avoid the early heat he's gotten in all the games I've seen him in. I allowed the meta to change my mind on him the first time I read this, but it really doesn't make it okay at all. Xatres scum. And his #140, him finally asking a question, is completely useless.

I guess I'll go ahead and ask again: What changed your mind? You specifically objected to this answer the first time, where I once again explained my general strategy D1 and pointed to meta. You admit to having accepted my answer at the time, and admit that my play so far has indeed fit my town meta to a tee. So... what's changed?

-Xatres #177 – Even with this meta ringing true, it doesn't remedy the real problems I have with Xatres.
Being passive D1 is one thing, but there's more to it.

Again, you validate that my town meta is dead on, and yet still think I'm scum. Please explain why "there's more to it."

-Xatres #223 – I'm conflicted on these posts from Xatres. He could be adding pressure to aid Rake, like he says, but why didn't he throw his vote on as well? The constant allusion to Scary having scummates and basically flat-out calling him scum without voting him is pretty hollow pressure. And his tone just... bugs me. I don't know, this is mostly gut but I can't dismiss the bad feelings I get when reading Xatres's posts at Scary.

This one is actually a valid point. I definitely could have thrown a vote on Scary to increase the pressure even harder, but I felt that might be taking a sledgehammer to an issue that might require only a standard, household one.

-Xatres #266 – The first sentence of this post really bothers me. It ties into earlier with being so calm with the pressure that was, all in all, a waste of time.

All my first sentence did was give Sokr an update on my votecount. I fail to see how that is irksome.

If you are objecting to my second sentence (encouraging Sokr to vote for me if he thinks I'm scum), well... Do you not want players to put votes behind scumpicks? You literally JUST said it was scummy for me not to do so with Scary. Why is it not wrong for Sokr to do the same?

-Xatres #358 – This. Stuff. Is. So. Obvious. For someone who likes to keep his cards close to his chest and observe at the beginning of the game, I was expecting Xatres to wait until he had something more insightful to say, but this stuff wasn't insightful at all. I want Xatres to die.

Unfortunately, at that point in the game, town didn't seem to think this. stuff. was. so. obvious. Both MB and Joey had offered serious objections to Rake's pressure on Scary. Since I was involved in pressuring Scary, I felt justified in offering an explanation.

And actually, if you look back at the posts leading up to #358, you were online and in-thread when all of this was going down. If you thought what Rake was doing was so obvious, why didn't you take a moment and explain it yourself? You seem to feel very strongly on the obviousness of the situation now, why didn't you feel strongly enough about it to post before?

***

There were a number of posts that you skipped in your reads, most of which were small and/or inconsequential. I do find it odd that you left out my #449, although you may have prepared your post before reading it. Thoughts on that one?

***

All in all, I'd say your case against me is actually pretty weak. It basically all hinges on me reacting TOO calmly to pressure, which if I recall, was exactly a reason levied against Dastrn and I in FE:A during D1 as well.

You yourself admit that I'm matching my town meta perfectly, and yet you keep alluding to there being something sinister behind my posts without actually providing any evidence as to why.

You said a few times in your notes that my throwing a vote on myself was a waste of time. But if you actually look at the following posts, there was quite a bit of discussion about my play that allowed for a number of different interactions (including several with you). Clearly town was able to garner information from my choice to vote myself. You got to see who put votes on my slot after I voted myself, who objected to the decision, who kept putting pressure down, and who backed off. All of these can and will be useful in reads down the line.

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Honestly, I'd say there's actually more in your notes condemning Sokr than there is condemning me. The difference is how you are choosing to interpret them.

Your notes on Sokr say, "This is confusing," and "That doesn't quite make sense," and yet declare him townie.

Your notes on me say, "This matches his town meta," and yet declare me scum.

Again, I'm generalizing, but I'd encourage anyone else to look through your notes and look for the incongruity themselves.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

I'm baffled as to why anyone thinks Scary is Town. Down to lynch him.

Can someone run over why Xatres is scummy? His posts are pretty mechanical, but I'm not really getting anything one way or another with regards to that.

Rake, I think we oughta swag wagon Scary again but full hardbody this time. And I'm Town.

MB, Rake's "Rambo" approach is fine and I'm having trouble believing you're genuinely having difficulty getting a read on the dude.

Zen, reads lists are ******** and I'm not doing that ****. I also don't care that you've failed to see me be vote hoppy before.

 

[Kafkaesque]

Wait I'm here ah.

Anyways, Kuzi is on vacation for the week so it's just Sworddancer for now (much like all my other hydras *ahem* *ahem*). I have work so I'm also a bit inactive and this game shot up like 400 posts in a day. Anyways, I'm catching up now.

I'm never gonna be able to hydra with Laundry will I?

Pretty sure you have to wait in a line of like 56 for this to ever happen.

Fire emblam though

Community though.

I'm VERY off-put by how quick you are to claim Townie points on this.

That is so easy to fake, given that you DIRECTLY asked the question that spawned the supposed "slip".

Largely null.

I could see him doing it as a gambit to provoke reactions as Town, and I could see him doing it as scum.

However, doing it as scum feels a bit TOO obvious, so I think it's more likely the former, but it bothers me regardless.

Pretty sure Zen was just joking though. It's kinda hard to mistake what Zen was doing for a gambit, and by concluding that it was null you didn't we accomplish anything with this string of posts, so why point it out (actual, non rhetorical question)?

@Sokr: what do you think of Zen's play this game? Compare it to FE:A

@Red Ruy: should we come up with a backup lynch?

@Rake: I expect a solid read on my slot by the end of D1. I don't want any leans on this, I want to hear conviction.

Same thing with Laundry. Why ask these questions?

Rake page 3 town. Genuine effort to develop on Kantrip and Scary = townie. Furthermore I skipped ahead a bit o I already know that Rake is gonna fake pressure Scary, which is what I'm seeing here.

@Kantrip's 91: I understand the slight dislike on WL but I feel like it has more to do with his entrance being slightly forced. As pointed out above I just don't really see the reason for WL's posts at all if they were going to just amount to being null.

Leaning town, yeah. Hence why I said I agreed on MB/Scary but not on Zen.

Why was Zen leaning town to you at all during this period of time? There doesn't seem to be enough content in thread to justify this read.

Woah!!!!

Why!?!?!

Twooooooooooo votes.

Okay. Who's scum?

Ok with dying today?

If not who do you think should?

Like.

Why the vote on Rake though?

Honestly Xat "holding his cards pretty close to his chest" is pretty null of him. In matter of fact I get a slight town read due to his honesty. It's a generic way of thinking, I know, but I think scum would generally avoid saying things like that that will make them look bad in public.

"OR maybe it's WIFOM because Xat wants us to think tha?" I can hear you asking.

Nah, occom's razor. Simplistic explenation is the most likely, and it's easier to believe that Xat was probably just being honest so yeah.

Zen why no vote on Xat if he's your scumread?

you really do get very high-strung when reading me, potato.

for what it's worth i don't feel obligated to pursue zen here. he's being cheeky but nothing about his play really sets me on to actually pursue him. just reads of his usual self even if i've never been fond of his reliance upon gambits.

Meeeeeeeeeehhhh. So who do you want to pursue WL?

Pray tell, why? That's like the fallback of fallback of fallback plans. It's far too early to make this call.

If you were anyone but Laundry I would vote you for this. It's very surface level stuff, but at least it's not calculated.

@186: Scary, could you expend on this?

Actually never mind MB town (late page 5 and early page 6 postings).

Unvote

I probably was jumping the gun, but this pressure has just been sad. Literally has been, you are scum, therefore you are scum. Why? Cause you're scum lol vote him.

Okay I know that this guy is a newbie and all but **** this is a terrible back track. Like I can't buy that Scary had any legit scum read on Rake at all when he literally throws away any sort of an attack he had going on him right out the window based off of nothing.This is not what I expect out of an OMGUS, but this is what I expect out of someone who is afraid to commit themselves.

gist of the post for people too lazy to read the entire thing:

rake just randomly picks scary out of hat and pressures him
scary, like a normal human being, is questioning where the wagon came from
rake continues to pressure him
scary, like the newbie he is, omgus votes him
scary continues to question what makes him scum
rake continues to say he's scum

the whole "not a victim thing" when it seems like you selected him either spontaneously or from a past game is hilarious to me.

but really rake he's playing his third ****ing game right now and you're expecting him to know the nuances like feeling you out or trying to read you? hell, i would've been surprised if he didn't omgus you.

I agree with you that Rake is mostly attacking Scary for the wrong things, but what did you make of what I brought up about Scary's backtrack? Noob mistake, or was he truly being uncommitted? Is him backing away like that what you would expect from a OMGUS?

261 wishy-washy as ****.

Can everyone who hasn't posted a full readslist recently do so ?

Actually responding to this game post by post is momentous as ****. I've been reading and rereading this game for a couple hours now, instead of responding to every little thing I'm just gonna **** it and hurry up.

Rake vs Joey was TvT

Joey and Rake are town as ****.

Kantrip is also town as ****. I was actually worried about him at first because his early game didn't seem to have a direction (early vote on Xat seemed useless, so was the vote on FM), but he really bombshelled later and I'

WL town. RR leans town.

Xat leans townie. Everything from the way he states that he doesn't want to bias his results, to the way that he pressured Scary does not strike me as fabricated at all. However with his recent post where he disclosed his intent over pressuring Scary I'm not too sure where he wants to go now. He simply stated that both Rake and WL had good points, which isn't really committing to anything. This is fine for the time being, but I'll like to see him decide on this read as well as develop other reads,

Will talk to Kantrip about tihs tomorrow.

I actually do think Scary is scummy. Simply put I think he actually is much more focused on looking pleasing than actually scumhunting.I'm very much reminded of PJB scum in E&A with his play.The few reads he has given out don't seem legit, he was far too willing to go with Rake the benefit after clashing heads with him for like a second. Him being a newbie does not mean that this isn't happening.More information later.

Zen, Skor . . . later. I just want to get this post out before I go into the most recent of events.

As per Zen's request:

Town:

Rake
Laundry
Joey


town leans:

RR
Kantrip
Xat

scum leans: Scary

null: FM for inactivity.
everyone else because I haven't thought/read about it yet.

Vote: Scary

Night duders.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Vote: Scary

Oh we in there!

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake, any thoughts on Xatres or do you want to stick where we're at?

wait wait wait.

You WANT my opinion ?

Holy ****.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Actually, I don't anymore. Cherish that moment!

No but for real, join me?

handreach.jpeg

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Okay I know that this guy is a newbie and all but **** this is a terrible back track. Like I can't buy that Scary had any legit scum read on Rake at all when he literally throws away any sort of an attack he had going on him right out the window based off of nothing.This is not what I expect out of an OMGUS, but this is what I expect out of someone who is afraid to commit themselves.



I agree with you that Rake is mostly attacking Scary for the wrong things, but what did you make of what I brought up about Scary's backtrack? Noob mistake, or was he truly being uncommitted? Is him backing away like that what you would expect from a OMGUS?

.

What SHOULD i be attacking him for ?

I already pointed out the backtrack and I haven't even MENTIONED that he was fully willing to go to Ryu with me (for no rhyme or reason on my part by the way, I just asked).

Double standard OP.

I want you to tell me what you thought of the backtrack though.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

frozenmarsh751 [1] - Xatres
Sokr [2] - Anomandaris_Rake, Magic Bounce
Xatres [2] - Potassium, Zen
ScaryLB59 [2] - Kafkaesque, frozenmarsh751

Not voting [4] - ScaryLB59, Masquerain, Sokr, Red Ryu;


With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Actually, I don't anymore. Cherish that moment!

No but for real, join me?

handreach.jpeg

Why not Sokr though.

Like I know your not the explanation guy you've been on like every hype wagon so far -_-.

I'll read over the xat stuff but skimming it, looks just like Kantplay misreading Xat just like in FE

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

An issue I'm having is that now that I've taking the time to understand Rake's pressure, I see how awful my early game was. Rake, let me ask you this: What is the point of the alliance that you wanted to form with me? What is your intent here?

Who do you think is scum right now?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Sokr

Best play. Please lynch without claim.

Then you go back to Scary saying we in this.

Lots of vote jumping, puts helping town second to putting a lynch though.

Did you role scum again Marshy?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ryu we both know we have to lynch his scum mates first to catch him off connections, if he is.

Sokr/Scary weak town or is one of them scum with him ?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu we both know we have to lynch his scum mates first to catch him off connections, if he is.

Sokr/Scary weak town or is one of them scum with him ?

I found him out as scum twice before without a flip from his mates, one game he was an indy I called him scum.

Trust me, he tries to put up the fascade of #HBC when he is scum. When he is town you can still see where his head is at for people being scum, him as mafia, you can try and see if he has a different motive for his vote.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

he hasnt even said hbc yet.

hmmm

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

he hasnt even said hbc yet.

hmmm

You know what I mean, Marshy's style.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I do im just thinking about if marshy is bussing, lazy, or if he's sacrificing Sokr/Scary.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Scary

[collapse=Update]Town: Zen, Rake, Kantrip, Ruy, Kafkaesque

Null: Scary, Xatres

Vigbait: frozenmarsh (possibly trying to draw in the mafia kill by playing like a PR? Whatevs vig this dude for real)

Weak Scum Lean: Joey, Magic Bounce

Strong Scum Lean: Sokr [/collapse]