FS5: Reunion, Brawl&Melee, San Antonio TX, Jan 10th/11th (DRIVING INFO IN 1st POST!)

[Alex19]

i might need someone to team.

 

[-RedShadow]

I thought SoCal was coming to this...?

I'm up for it though.

 

[Sage JoWii]

Does OK have housing yet?
And just as a off handed question, is there anyone looking for a teammate in brawl?

 

[KOS-MOS]

Does OK have housing yet?

Not that I know of...

 

[Sage JoWii]

Well I offer up my house; it's 2 1/2 hours from the venue is the downside

 

[KOS-MOS]

Well I offer up my house; it's 2 1/2 hours from the venue is the downside

I'll talk to Le Thien about it. I'm pretty sure he's the one driving so its up to him, much appreciated.

 

[DallasPhat]

So does Dallas have housing for this event? Sorry about asking again but my last post was clearly ignored.

 

[The MC Clusky]

Housing I'm working on. It's a matter of people stepping up though.

on a different note, I've come to the conclusion...........

IC's chaingrabs are not banned/limited. There's too much stuff like that in Brawl to ban one thing and not others. I don't want to get all nitpicky like Xyro, so I'm just going to leave it as is.

It hasn't drastically altered any of the results in my events so far, so when it comes to special techniques that don't include stalling it's anything goes. Assume that unless I've said otherwise.

King out

PS

I'm kinda on the fence about DDD's standing infinite though, since no matter how silly Brawl is, THAT was clearly not meant to happen and it's an obvious glitch. It makes 5 characters suddenly viable and you can chaingrab them normally anyways (correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[Melee1]

This is perfectThanks

 

[PhantomX]

Housing I'm working on. It's a matter of people stepping up though.

on a different note, I've come to the conclusion...........

IC's chaingrabs are not banned/limited. There's too much stuff like that in Brawl to ban one thing and not others. I don't want to get all nitpicky like Xyro, so I'm just going to leave it as is.

It hasn't drastically altered any of the results in my events so far, so when it comes to special techniques that don't include stalling it's anything goes. Assume that unless I've said otherwise.

King out

PS

I'm kinda on the fence about DDD's standing infinite though, since no matter how silly Brawl is, THAT was clearly not meant to happen and it's an obvious glitch. It makes 5 characters suddenly viable and you can chaingrab them normally anyways (correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't believe Luigi can be regular CGed... I also wan't to say that Mario can't (though I'm not so sure about him).

 

[Espy Rose]

I don't believe Luigi can be regular CGed... I also wan't to say that Mario can't (though I'm not so sure about him).

I think Luigi is the only one you can't chaingrab across levels.

 

[Hylian]

It only affects like 5 out of 3000+ matchups. I don't like the idea of trying to make characters more viable. They all have one really bad match-up. You main a character by choice, if you want to main someone who gets CG'ed by DDD infinitely then you should have a secondary or prepare to face the match-up anyways. It's not like their are a lot of DDD players in Texas anyways :/.

 

[Espy Rose]

It only affects like 5 out of 3000+ matchups. I don't like the idea of trying to make characters more viable. They all have one really bad match-up. You main a character by choice, if you want to main someone who gets CG'ed by DDD infinitely then you should have a secondary or prepare to face the match-up anyways. It's not like their are a lot of DDD players in Texas anyways :/.

I'm pretty sure there are some jerks who would change to D3 just for that matchup.
Not that I'm one of them.

Oh, and if there's only two people playing in a Singles event, there is only 1,521 different possible matchups.

Now, in a doubles event, your little 3000+ claim would be more than valid.

There's 5 characters that can be infinite'd by D3. That means that any combination of that matchup is bad, this includes all combinations of D3 vs. 5 Characters and 5 Characters vs. D3.

10/1521

10 of the 1,521 matchups in Brawl are autowin when concerning D3 and the Five Infinite'd characters.

Oh, and it was all done out of boredom.

 

[Infinitysmash]

I'm pretty sure there are some jerks who would change to D3 just for that matchup.
Not that I'm one of them.

Oh, and if there's only two people playing in a Singles event, there is only 1,521 different possible matchups.

Now, in a doubles event, your little 3000+ claim would be more than valid.

There's 5 characters that can be infinite'd by D3. That means that any combination of that matchup is bad, this includes all combinations of D3 vs. 5 Characters and 5 Characters vs. D3.

10/1521

10 of the 1,521 matchups in Brawl are autowin when concerning D3 and the Five Infinite'd characters.

Oh, and it was all done out of boredom.

It's 5, not 10. Saying "D3 v 5 characters and 5 characters v D3" is redundant and is causing your number to double because you're adding matchups that are already covered.

Also: getting a grab does not mean you automatically win even in matchups where you should be able to do so in theory. i.e Ice Climbers vs the rest of the cast or King DeDeDe vs in those 5 matchups.

 

[PhantomX]

The IC grabs have a larger margin for error and are, on the whole, much more avoidable than the D3 ones. Their grab range is abysmal and they require both Nana and Popo to perform their CGs, D3 just needs to stand there, grab once with his tremendous range, and then grab in place repeatedly.

 

[Santi]

Nowww people can ban FD against me

and I won't be able to counterpick Lylat against my love Sethlon

and nowwww Melee1 will make my toon link cry

and nowwwwwww.......



boobayyyyysssss

 

[Sinz]

Housing I'm working on. It's a matter of people stepping up though.

on a different note, I've come to the conclusion...........

IC's chaingrabs are not banned/limited. There's too much stuff like that in Brawl to ban one thing and not others. I don't want to get all nitpicky like Xyro, so I'm just going to leave it as is.

It hasn't drastically altered any of the results in my events so far, so when it comes to special techniques that don't include stalling it's anything goes. Assume that unless I've said otherwise.

King out

PS

I'm kinda on the fence about DDD's standing infinite though, since no matter how silly Brawl is, THAT was clearly not meant to happen and it's an obvious glitch. It makes 5 characters suddenly viable and you can chaingrab them normally anyways (correct me if I'm wrong).

New Mexico is looking like we won't be able to make it. Just because of money issues, but we will try to make it to your guys' next big tournament.

 

[Espy Rose]

It's 5, not 10. Saying "D3 v 5 characters and 5 characters v D3" is redundant and is causing your number to double because you're adding matchups that are already covered.

Also: getting a grab does not mean you automatically win even in matchups where you should be able to do so in theory. i.e Ice Climbers vs the rest of the cast or King DeDeDe vs in those 5 matchups.

First paragraph: Wrong. Yes, I did do something "redundant" in including D3 vs Them & Them vs. D3, but you also have to keep in mind that I DID NOT exclude D3 vs. Them & Them vs. D3 when finding out exactly how many different possible matchups there can be.

For example, if I were to post EVERY POSSIBLE 1v1 MATCHUP in Brawl, you would find both:
King Dedede vs. Mario
and
Mario vs. King Dedede

The way that I calculated it included both varients of the matchup.
So I included both matches, since both include both D3, and a character that can be standing infinite'd by him.

Second Paragraph: What PhantomX said. <3 Phantom.

 

[PhantomX]

When you calculate probabilities you never include the same combination, even if it is "reversed."

Now you have to <3 me less, but that's how math goes XD

 

[Infinitysmash]

Kind DeDeDe vs Mario

and

Mario vs King DeDeDe

This is the same matchup twice dude, no matter how you look at it.

Edit - a.k.a what he said ^

 

[FinalS5]

Ill be representing Beumont.

 

[Sage JoWii]

I'll talk to Le Thien about it. I'm pretty sure he's the one driving so its up to him, much appreciated.

No problem ^_^

 

[Matiz]

also whats wobbling??

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

I'm pretty sure there are some jerks who would change to D3 just for that matchup.
.

wats the difference when people use IC just to CG to death?

oh wait those are "pros"

 

[The MC Clusky]

also whats wobbling??

grab+ftilt.

That other infinite in Melee. Needs both Nana and Popo, and can be repeated to 999%.

It's extremely hard to detect, and the only IC's player in the region that does is Wobbles (who is usually in Arizona and last I heard is currently retired).

A ban or not, it doesn't really affect IC's too much, because they can still 0-death virtually everyone.

 

[Espy Rose]

When you calculate probabilities you never include the same combination, even if it is "reversed."

According to Finite Mathematics you can.
It's like finding out every variant of drawing all four aces out of a deck of playing cards. There's an Ace of Clubs, Hearts, Spades, and Diamonds, and there are a total of 16 different possible ways to draw these four cards.

In the end, there's only one event possible (drawing all four of course), but the number of ways you can draw them affects the problem itself.

I would think the same would apply to match ups of characters in Brawl. But hell, I could be wrong.

Meh, whatevers anyways. I'm too lazy to think about a class I just finished last semester.

Besides, I'm on holiday. **** college.

 

[Hazygoose]

scud probably isn't coming to this because of work...
i might come...in which case i guess kos-mos and i will beast melee teams?
the reason i might not come though due to lack of money and lack of housing >.>;
so if that gets solved i'm in...if not, it will be just adding on to how freaking long (1.2 years?) i've been inactive. :\


also you only need to count order variants when you count the orders. so...having draw combinations doesn't matter when you're only looking at the percent chance of 1 combination and not the draw order. so i guess if you want to multiply the numerator and denominator of your fraction ratio by 16 have fun...but that doesn't make it more precise, just pointless. same goes for matchups. count 1 matchup twice and...gg...you multiplied everything by 2. next step is divide it by 2. how useful.

 

[G@BE]

Anyone wanna MM in melee?

 

[KOS-MOS]

Well I need to know if you are coming for sure Alex. I've been looking for a teammate because I thought you were teaming with brett.

 

[Sage JoWii]

Greyfox is somewhere around here -peers about- We still on for our MM, my Kirby v. your Zelda? 5 sounds good but I wouldn't mind 10 either.

 

[Xyro77]

Housing I'm working on. It's a matter of people stepping up though.

on a different note, I've come to the conclusion...........

IC's chaingrabs are not banned/limited. There's too much stuff like that in Brawl to ban one thing and not others. I don't want to get all nitpicky like Xyro, so I'm just going to leave it as is.

It hasn't drastically altered any of the results in my events so far, so when it comes to special techniques that don't include stalling it's anything goes. Assume that unless I've said otherwise.

King out

PS

I'm kinda on the fence about DDD's standing infinite though, since no matter how silly Brawl is, THAT was clearly not meant to happen and it's an obvious glitch. It makes 5 characters suddenly viable and you can chaingrab them normally anyways (correct me if I'm wrong).

so you mean your still afraid to do the right thing? typical.

i wont be able to go to FS5 either. work. however i have asked that all houston players go to your event. must support tx

 

[Infinitysmash]

so you mean your still afraid to do the right thing? typical.

Dude, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't give you the right to jump out and attack them like this. Not cool at all.

 

[DallasPhat]

He specifically named Xyro out so.. I believe xyro had rights to defend himself and voice his opinion dude... ANYWAYS I hope you can figure out housing for Dallas soon king mosquito .

 

[Sage JoWii]

ICs chaingrabs are easy to deal with when you play the manliest character~ Kirby! And DDD has a standing-CG against 5, if it were a higher number it'd be worse; no need to insult though o.o;

 

[JonBeBonanza]

Alright put corpus down, i'm there.

 

[Sage JoWii]

-cough cough- Completely off subject : OHSNAP 4 CREW BATTLE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTEgbAJKVFQ <--Finally -cough cough- <3 FS5

 

[pootTheBox]

It's extremely hard to detect, and the only IC's player in the region that does is Wobbles (who is usually in Arizona and last I heard is currently retired).

A ban or not, it doesn't really affect IC's too much, because they can still 0-death virtually everyone.

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack. Run for the hills

I have arrived in Texas. I am eager to play. Let us conspire to make this happen.

PBT? I'll be there. Smashfest? I'll be there.

Wherever Melee beats in the rhythm of a child's heart, whenever it shines in the gleam of a veteran's eye, wherever, whenever, however... I'll be there.

This is my promise for you, and to you, dear America.

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

ICs chaingrabs are easy to deal with when you play the manliest character~ Kirby! And DDD has a standing-CG against 5, if it were a higher number it'd be worse; no need to insult though o.o;

oh really?

i would find that one video but im being lazy, it does not matter what character you chose. IC can 0 death all

 

[Dojo]

Hehe not me.

 

[[oni]LoKo]

-cough cough- Completely off subject : OHSNAP 4 CREW BATTLE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTEgbAJKVFQ <--Finally -cough cough- <3 FS5

I miss my crew T ^T.