Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
this stage can be so much ****, and also help you out so much, one hell of a double edged sword.
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agrees... well most of the information of this level is already in moon-doogie thread... but I still think this level is bad for fox in most of the matches.. against Pikachu I love this place and maybe against falco and wolf as they also suffer from the ledges but the rest... I will prefer my normal counterpicks**** this stage.
Yeah, Yoshi's is my least favorite neutral... even though it's an ok stage for Fox... just so darn random sometimes...it depends what chars your playing against,but usually i strike this neutral after Yoshis Island(****ing hate that stage now), Fox does well on this level mostly due to the way the platforms are arranged,quite good for pressuring oppt, beneath the stage shine spikes can often times mean death because of Lylats weird edge,dont forget about fair stage spikes(i had to)
recovery shouldnt be too hard,but theres enough movement on the ledge to throw off your recovery once in a while,if you dont end up SDing you probably wont sweetspot the edge and get punished every few matches, if the stage titlrs and you have to recover with up-b it can get messy because of how easy it is to take Fox out of firefox,puts you in a really bad position
i dont mind taking Samus,Wario,Sonic,Diddy,DK here 1st game
prefer to not let Gw,Falco,ZSS,or Mk go here 1st game
edit: anyone ever try shooting lasers and the end of the stage and get ***** and fall off and die lol? effin lylat
No no, I get what you are saying, and I agree with you, mostly... I'm mainly arguing with the Fox player's general view of the stage.i never said recovery was a major problem,just pointing out that when the stage tilts it can mess you up once in a while which is something that should be noted,you can hit Fox out of his firefox from anywhere, with Wolf for example he has the option of Shine spiking you from below,bair you from an angle,or dair as your coming up,maybe im not understanding this angle you recovering at ? wait nvm i know what your saying,but if Fox is far away from the stage then he still has the edgeguarding problem to deal with, that startup isnt saving him unless he's close,and if you recover high firefox isnt fast at all,they'll punish you as you recover onto the stage
lylat is far from a bad stage for fox,but it isnt that good either, theres much better options from the neutrals to choose from,might be my bias cause my friend is extremely gay with Mks down tilt on it lol
edit: the sloped ground makes camping difficult,not to mention the stage tilts(im never gonna let the stage tilts go LOL)
as for cgs,when falco comes to mind, his dair spike is tricky from below,can result in death through an edgehog if you mess up,that edge is so gay!
Are you serious? I've always thought of this stage as horrible for Fox.STAGE DISCUSSION #5: Battleship Halberd
OVERALL RANKING 9.5/10
Probably Fox's best stage in Brawl. The low ceiling, superb platform spacing, and hazards of this stage really benefit him as a complete character. The only downsides of the stage really belonging to the flying section, which some characters can shark under... but Fox can just deal with this by camping platforms. Overall, everything on this stage (it's ceiling, platform, and length) really add to his game and make it his strongest CP in almost any matchup.
Oh I'm mixed on SV vs BF, but SV's moving platforms seems to help more than hinder Fox...Lylat Cruise's tilting also helps Fox perform safe Bairs more quickly when the opponent's more elevated. I don't like Smashville much really, because it's too small and I think BF is better than SV for Fox.
Well, I mean, that can kinda be said for every stage with a platform. Granted, this one covers a large area in the center... and Fox does have trouble with fortressing... but the platform is also a bit higher than most, so it still allows for SH stuff just fine. or you can FFF through the platform and Nair... etc.Are you serious? I've always thought of this stage as horrible for Fox.
The platform always covers the entire center of the stage. This means no fast-fall shenanigans, unless you perform them near the ledges. NO FAST-FALL SHENANIGANS! FOR FOX!! Fox's fast-fall is way too amazing to leave out. Also, being forced onto the platform by a sharking MK will only make you shield more and more and the shield depletes that way allowing shield pokes that lead into follow-ups against you.
Never before have I thought of this stage as a good one for Fox...it's mainly because of the center platform that doesn't allow fast-fall stuff (or more like prevents fast-fall stuff from reaching the main platform).
Mainly talking about high firefox, angled down toward the ledge...Cancel the illusion to sweet-spot, DUH
I'm a little late... but on Lylat I think it's when the stage is moving/tilting is when you sometimes can't grab the edge, even with an angled-down firefox.One more day for this Lylat discussion, as it seems to have died...
Really hoping somebody with insight on the ledges, and why they don't snap sometimes will come and talk. : )
Just like the statues in Castle Siege I think?
@Curaga, I had no idea the stage hits restored un-fresh moves... >_>
^ I absolutely agree with what _X_ states about fox and brinstar. Because of the lava Fox doesn't need to worry about sheik's f-tilt, pikas cg, or ic cg! This is just awesome really, fox actually now has a chance to **** those who normally infinite him. And yes the lava brings you to a perfect position for a kill.Brinstar is one of my favorite counter-picks.
Not only does the lava stop Pika's STUPID chain-throw, ZSam's LAME DownSmash chain etc. it forces you to the top platform for epic dair > upsmash epic low % kills.
The position of the ledges is unique and doesn't aid platform depended characters like you'd think.
Fun stage and very underused as a CP.
@Curaga, I had no idea the stage hits restored un-fresh moves... >_>
I was not aware of that, I just go for the balloon game on Smashville and laser the Shy Guys for the fun of it.Yep. statues in Castle Siege....
Shy Guys on yoshi's island
the balloon on smashville
the pillars on Luigi's Mansion
etc etc
all help refill moves. : ) fun, eh?