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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Yea we're going to Darkrain's house tomorrow too. Me and two other people from Canada repping the whole country. lolol
GOTM we gotta play again. Pound 3 was too long ago.
Also..new vids of yours truly: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=198950
GOTM we gotta play again. Pound 3 was too long ago.
Also..new vids of yours truly: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=198950
NES n00b
Smash Master
No one cares about your vids. They all be waiting on my vids that will never happen.
GOTM
Smash Champion
i agree bro. also, nice stuff dude. your fox is pretty as hell, haha. mine def. aint that good looking
Scar
#HarveyDent
RAYNEX MM TOMORROW NIGHT!!! I'm so pumped
oldmankungfu
Smash Journeyman
Rayn' fox is sexy as a MOTHA@$#%!!!! i wish i could play that fox but i dont think anyone could... not even Captain Falcon...
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Canada is too good.
Scar your money is mine.
*runs*
Scar your money is mine.
*runs*
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Any tips for playing on Field of Dreams? (I believe that's what it's called). It's the worst neutral stage for me for all characters (especially when I play falcon), but do you have any tips for this stage in particular? (For fox, of course. And for Falcon if you have the time )
What are you guys' opinions of empty short hopping with Fox? Good for mindgames, or don't bother?
Also, why does shortening your side-B mess people up so bad? Usually when I want to recover I just fall of the ledge then wall jump to a height slightly higher than the ledge and shorten my side B to sweetspot and it always messes up my opponent. Too good.
)What are you guys' opinions of empty short hopping with Fox? Good for mindgames, or don't bother?
Also, why does shortening your side-B mess people up so bad? Usually when I want to recover I just fall of the ledge then wall jump to a height slightly higher than the ledge and shorten my side B to sweetspot and it always messes up my opponent. Too good.
SpaceFalcon
Smash Lord
Theres a lot you can do with FOD and Fox. It's my favorite stage with him. Mostly because I think I have greater control over Fountain then my opponent.Any tips for playing on Field of Dreams? (I believe that's what it's called). It's the worst neutral stage for me for all characters (especially when I play falcon), but do you have any tips for this stage in particular? (For fox, of course. And for Falcon if you have the time
What are you guys' opinions of empty short hopping with Fox? Good for mindgames, or don't bother?
Also, why does shortening your side-B mess people up so bad? Usually when I want to recover I just fall of the ledge then wall jump to a height slightly higher than the ledge and shorten my side B to sweetspot and it always messes up my opponent. Too good.
Watch DaShiz use FOUNTAIN of Dreams with Falco and try incorporating with Fox. It's to vast to say how effective empty short hopping is.. if it's working then use it? You can short hop onto FOD platforms when they are low and be in neutral stance right away. Fairly useful, learn to crouch and position/shield with Fountain as well platform/ledge cancel some what.
It's just safer to assume they're doing the full forward+B then charging in and trying to counter they're short B.
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Isn't it hard to incorporate Falco's strategies with Fox? Do you mean just like positions and how he moves around the stage?
oldmankungfu
Smash Journeyman
i think he means how he moves around he stage. sure they're two dif characters but you can still kind of envision fox in the place of falco... for example if ur playing fox ditos and the opponent is try to recover. in a Shiz vid the falco would most likely spike him. now replace falco with fox... wat would you do??? that my friend is the question...
Silent Wolf
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Your platform game comes into play a whole lot on FoD. The same aerials reach above a platform after falling through with both of them, that makes it easier. Especially seeing as how all of their aerials do lol. Nair and bair are most critical though, Maybe fall through dair with Falco. Their short hops have the same effects on platforms I believe. On one of the levels only their backwards short ho reaches on, similar to Falcon's full hop on the top platform, on Yoshi's as well. Just master all the little way to maneuver lol. Know when you're going to edge cancel, get good at it. Has a wall by the ledge so you can WJ air dodge back up easily.
@ guy above me - Rising drill put fast fallers down a god margin. Do it on someone like Marth and be ready to avoid the quick up-B by shielding, then jump shine out of that or something. Rising nair is good for edge guarding. None of this is FoD specific though.
@ guy above me - Rising drill put fast fallers down a god margin. Do it on someone like Marth and be ready to avoid the quick up-B by shielding, then jump shine out of that or something. Rising nair is good for edge guarding. None of this is FoD specific though.
Lovage 805
Smash Champion
edge canceling is something every one needs to be aware of. you dont have to be good at it. just know judging by your character/trajectory/momentum and other minor factors if your move is about to cancel or not
Ndot
Smash Journeyman
SW, you didn't go to E-52?
oldmankungfu
Smash Journeyman
wat exactly is edge canceling??? is it like when you illusion in the edge and you grab it or like when you fire fox close to the edge and it cancels out??? Never understood edge canceling
CanISmash
Smash Lord
di a move so it cancels off the edge. either of a platform or the actual edge of the stage. it most def should be on youtube.
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, say you're Marth and you do a dair, but you're DI-ing in a way that as soon as you touch the ground with the dair, your momentum carries you off of it. It's faster than l-canelling but very situational.
oldmankungfu
Smash Journeyman
Ohhh that wat it means... ok i need to start doing dat. sounds usefull
CanISmash
Smash Lord
yo i keep getting ***** sons.
i keep getting cg'ed and edge guard ***** by marf, helppppppsssss
sos!!!!!!!!!!
i keep getting cg'ed and edge guard ***** by marf, helppppppsssss
sos!!!!!!!!!!
Basically just DD and laser camp until he messes up his spacing and then combo him.
Edgeguard with lightshieldedgehog or if you expect him to upB very soon, shield near the edge and then shine out of shield after you blocked his upB.
Edgeguard with lightshieldedgehog or if you expect him to upB very soon, shield near the edge and then shine out of shield after you blocked his upB.
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
I don't play Fox or anything, but this is a good strat. However, watch yourself if you're at high percentages; most Marth players love to make you think that they're spacing is **** only to find that you've been goaded into a tippered f-smash or even a counter. Bob and weave in and out Marth's killzones and make sure you're the one that hits him and not the other way around.
Be wary of grabs, too.
Edit: Forgot good Marths actually use counter sometimes. Lol.
Smooth Criminal
try to shine him out of the u-throw, you can do this by not DIng at all or slightly (and i mean slightly >_>) DIng left or right then press downB when he's about to regrab you. It works at around 15% or maybe a little more (not sure cause is different for falco). But still, Marth can pivot grab you so beware >_>
Anyway, when getting comboed or cg'd you should focus on DIng as well as you can
Against marth is very important that you learn to tech, because most marths will just try to d-tilt, or f-smash you. Marth can also drop fair or bair you so it'll be nice if you could mix your recovery. Sweetspot and tech are the key
Is it just that? edgeguard and cgs? or there's more?
Who did RayEnX beat... but good **** regardless man ^_^.
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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Not much anyone can do about Marth's edgeguarding, only mixing up recovery by illusion sweetspots, firefox "grating" sweetspots, and short-illusion fakeouts. I even try the walljump illusion recovery every once in awhile.
Question: will the "Marth-killer" work no matter how low Marth comes from beneath the stage? What I'm saying is, will Marth ever grab the edge first?
Question: will the "Marth-killer" work no matter how low Marth comes from beneath the stage? What I'm saying is, will Marth ever grab the edge first?
GOTM
Smash Champion
raynex nice playin ya and chilling with you canda guys all weekend, haha. also, pyrotech nice matches.
raynex, you vs. hungry was sexy as ****.
raynex, you vs. hungry was sexy as ****.
unknown522
Some guy
LOL, you lost to scarCanada is too good.
Scar your money is mine.
*runs*
CanISmash
Smash Lord
thanks a bunch.
basically sometimes i get impatient and predictable, then i get *****, and more impatient.
but what was happening was i would get cg'ed.... the small percent you can shine out of it he would always u-tilt but im going to try some of the advice you gave. i noticed no di, or sometimes di'ing up got me a shine or an escape occasionally.
i tried to vary my approaches but basically everything seemed to end up in me getting grabbed and *****. approaching with shield then wd out of it was def not working. no matter how close i got my normal hop drills / nairs / were being dashed in, dashed out grabbed.
also i say i can tech pretty well but d-tilt goes over the ledge and more or less i would get jabbed out of ff, or illusion, then countered to some form of death.
and my shffls were being met in the air with f-airs, and n-airs. i think i was just playing sloppy but yeah.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Wife in a $5 mm+ brackets, hungrybox
...then I got ***** by Cactuar's Marth and almost beat his Fox. Then I got beat by Darkrain. I held my own though.
Gotm: It was good to finally meet you. Fun times...Fox dittos all daaai. oooohhhhh
Silent Wolf
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gj raynex
CanISmash
Smash Lord
i'd just like to call dibs on being raynex's 1st fanboy.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
cools. When my set vs. Hungrybox gets put up I'll link it here. It was 1-1 and then I beat him on Corneria by one stock.
It was way too close, and I want to know what mistakes I might have made.
edit: I have vids vs. Darkrain from winner's semis too. Hands down the hardest Falcon Ive played in my life. Iuno what to do vs. him in the slightest.
It was way too close, and I want to know what mistakes I might have made.
edit: I have vids vs. Darkrain from winner's semis too. Hands down the hardest Falcon Ive played in my life. Iuno what to do vs. him in the slightest.
GOTM
Smash Champion
lmao, you did hold your own though. hes not fair. one grab and you die, its like scar just a million times faster, and worse vs. falco, oooohhhh
haha
haha
Scar
#HarveyDent
oooooh, **** you
GOTM
Smash Champion
oooohohhoooohohohoh
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
Raynexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. You coming to TGMT2?!!?!!? We definitely need to hang again mangzzzz. Hungryboxing all day.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Yea I'm most likely coming down. After the 1st one there is no way I can miss #2. Lol did Hungrybox tell you he lost to some scrub in hungryboxing during singles pools. I think Hbox taught him that very day, then the guy beat him.
lololol
lololol
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
<3 <3 <3
Awesome. So Canada will be representing at TGMT 2.
Good ****. I need to get ***** by your Fox again in pools.
Smooth Criminal
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
This game involving your hands and numbers that multiple people can play. Hungrybox/Eggz taught us it at TGMTSBCO tournament in Georgia..and from then on it was known as hboxing.