Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[zChaos]

I wouldn't use Multishines or Waveshines for shield pressure. If you do waveshine they can just roll or grab during the wavedash. If you multishine if you mess up its a free punish.

Okay, what are some shield pressure mix ups?

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Okay, what are some shield pressure mix ups?

Shine Nair, Shine Bair, Shine Grab, Double Shine (Multishine Grab) if you're technical enough (Must be Frame Perfect so Fox/Falco can't shine OoS) and Dash Dancing in front of their shield can help.

1.Multishine Grab Example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc01xQe7NnY
2.Dash Dance Example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKDoaE7-b8M 11:42-11:45

 

[T0RN]

I use the control stick, SH with control stick then press B twice Hope I helped!

yeah man thanks

 

[adam87]

I can waveshine and multishine. I just need to know how to put it into a combo or shield pressure? Anybody know some good shield pressure? Or pressure in general?

I just got back from a tournament and one guy really messed me up by multishining. A good end combo could be an up smash or down smash. Or if you can get them to fall of the edge with it run off the edge real fast and shine them to spike them away it should kill them.

 

[zChaos]

What should I do against a shiek player on FD? I get smashed every time against sheik on FD

 

[T0RN]

What should I do against a shiek player on FD? I get smashed every time against sheik on FD

Move around a lot. Be very quick. Bait attacks in various ways such as running up then wave dashing away. Word on not being shield grabbed/naired oos. You can practice this in 20XX. Abbroach with nairs/dairs when they mess up, and be aggressive with shines and grabs. ANd btw u stole my profile pic jk it's all good.

 

[zChaos]

Move around a lot. Be very quick. Bait attacks in various ways such as running up then wave dashing away. Word on not being shield grabbed/naired oos. You can practice this in 20XX. Abbroach with nairs/dairs when they mess up, and be aggressive with shines and grabs. ANd btw u stole my profile pic jk it's all good.

Thanks bro! Will try that next time I verse and Sheik player. Appreciate it bro! Thanks

 

[Bones0]

I thought you were replying to yourself at first because of your similar avatars. LOL

 

[T0RN]

I thought you were replying to yourself at first because of your similar avatars. LOL

yeah thats what i said to him lol

 

[Berble]

when i'm at mid stage and falcos at the ledge and i know hes going to double laser, what is the best way to punish it? this is assuming i don't have enough time to get to a side platform to drop through bair and the falco is doing low double lasers so full hop nair doesn't hit. i hear people say to crouch cancel the lasers but i feel like its easy for the falco to react and just dair or follow the cc'ed lasers up anyways. what should i do?

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Where should I DI Marth's Up tilt?

 

[unknown522]

Where should I DI Marth's Up tilt?

Could vary depending on percent and stage position. If you're getting hit by u-tilt from the front, usually you want to SDI behind him, unless you're going to get spiked at the edge or tipper f-smashed at the edge. Sometimes you want to DI away so that you go straight up (usually center stage), so that you will go too high for him to follow-up with something that may lead into an edgeguard/tipper f-smash. If you get hit by the backside of u-tilt, usually DI away, but it probably won't matter.

Then there's other things like purposely DIing to make yourself edge-cancel of a platform to escape combos, or try to ASDI down and tech if you get hit while on a platform

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Could vary depending on percent and stage position. If you're getting hit by u-tilt from the front, usually you want to SDI behind him, unless you're going to get spiked at the edge or tipper f-smashed at the edge. Sometimes you want to DI away so that you go straight up (usually center stage), so that you will go too high for him to follow-up with something that may lead into an edgeguard/tipper f-smash. If you get hit by the backside of u-tilt, usually DI away, but it probably won't matter.

Then there's other things like purposely DIing to make yourself edge-cancel of a platform to escape combos, or try to ASDI down and tech if you get hit while on a platform

I love you unknown!!

 

[Druggedfox]

If he's doing low ledgehop lasers, that's *more* reason that a full hop nair would hit him.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

How do I become consistent on wins because I can handle players better than me but for some reason I sometimes struggle vs. slightly worse or way worse players.

 

[SamSun]

I finally got a match on stream for me to self-critique!
I'm making notes of my own on stupid mistakes I made, and why I made them/what I could've done better, but I'd highly appreciate everyone else's input as well!

http://www.twitch.tv/orangecountysmash/b/616135165
14:37 is the match, if the link doesn't work correctly

Falco I think is by far my worst matchup. I feel like any medium technical Falco shuts me down on tech skill alone lol.

don't watch the second match, it's of my on-tilt Marth.

help guys, I don't wanna lose to someone named Mind Assassin again ;_;

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Is the frame data for JC Shine OoS and Shield Drop JC Shine the same?

 

[Bones0]

Is the frame data for JC Shine OoS and Shield Drop JC Shine the same?

In order to shine OoS with a jump, you have to go through 3 frames of jumpsquat before you are able to shine. If you shield drop, you are able to shine on the first frame OoS (I think, maybe second).

 

[Purpletuce]

Whenever I shield drop -> Shine, I stay on the platform I just shined from, and get stuck in the shine. Does landing while starting the shine affect the timing to jump out, or am I just consistently messing up?

 

[tauKhan]

Whenever I shield drop -> Shine, I stay on the platform I just shined from, and get stuck in the shine. Does landing while starting the shine affect the timing to jump out, or am I just consistently messing up?

Not to my knowledge. Even the frame perfect, so called "grounded shines" out of jump only land on frame 6, counting the hitbubble frame as 1, so landing would make you get stuck in double shines as well. My guess is that you accidentally turn in shine, maybe two times in a row because of the shielddrop motion. That happens to me often.

 

[Bones0]

Yeah, the solution is to shinedrop in the same direction you're facing.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Whats the best way to Practice Spacing, What level CPU should I use to practice Chain Grabs, and when I do the infinite on a CPU Samus she sometimes gets out with a Roll or a Jab so does it need to be almost perfect or no?

 

[SwagBallz]

What's the best way to not fall prey to an edge camping Marth? My friend likes to camp under platforms near the edge and just wait for me to make a mistake and throw me out of stage and edge guard me or throw me on a platform to up tilt and uair **** me. Should I try to laser camp him back or should I just not be a scrub and not get grabbed?

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

What's the best way to not fall prey to an edge camping Marth? My friend likes to camp under platforms near the edge and just wait for me to make a mistake and throw me out of stage and edge guard me or throw me on a platform to up tilt and uair **** me. Should I try to laser camp him back or should I just not be a scrub and not get grabbed?

Try baiting the Marth to Swing like Wavedash back and run in.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

(I know its a Double Post, try to ignore because I have a question) Whats the best way to cover all of Fox's recovery options. I know how to stop them its just I have trouble guessing.

 

[SamSun]

Does anyone have a method for telling if you're getting a max-distance wavedash?
I guess I can tell when I'm doing a "pretty good sized wavedash", but does someone have a trick, like markings on the floor of some stage or something?

 

[YvngFlameHoe]

Multi-shine advice, How do you do it? how fast do you have to do it? whats a good way to practice it?

 

[unknown522]

(I know its a Double Post, try to ignore because I have a question) Whats the best way to cover all of Fox's recovery options. I know how to stop them its just I have trouble guessing.

pick sheik

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

pick sheik

Or Marth maybe lol

 

[defamstv]

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Thanks a ton guys
Cheers

 

[King Mob]

Whats the best way to Practice Spacing, What level CPU should I use to practice Chain Grabs, and when I do the infinite on a CPU Samus she sometimes gets out with a Roll or a Jab so does it need to be almost perfect or no?

Go to pokemon stadium and use the marks on the ground as targets (this is also a good way to practice dancing). The best way is to play people, though.

I think M2K said 3 or 4

Don't worry about infinites.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Go to pokemon stadium and use the marks on the ground as targets (this is also a good way to practice dancing). The best way is to play people, though.

I think M2K said 3 or 4

Don't worry about infinites.

I'm not too worried about Chain Grabs btw (I use PM Wifi to practice MU's and Fundamentals, so far I'm doing very well) I can do it but I sometimes mess up. Thanks btw

 

[CeLL]

I'm not too worried about Chain Grabs btw (I use PM Wifi to practice MU's and Fundamentals, so far I'm doing very well) I can do it but I sometimes mess up. Thanks btw

If you are just playing PM wifi ONLY to practice Melee, consider my sig.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

If you are just playing PM wifi ONLY to practice Melee, consider my sig.

I don't have Melee Netplay atm, I'll get it soon tho

Edit:Welll..Melee Netplay didn't work too well so yea lol

 

[MarsFool!]

In order to shine OoS with a jump, you have to go through 3 frames of jumpsquat before you are able to shine. If you shield drop, you are able to shine on the first frame OoS (I think, maybe second).

4 frames of prejump shine on frame 5.

Who wants to critique my fox tomorrow? Im losing matches by virtually playing opponents with too MUCH respect.

 

[Sauce Boss]

is there a central thread for match-ups? i'd feel redundant asking for match-up information here

 

[Bones0]

4 frames of prejump shine on frame 5.

Who wants to critique my fox tomorrow? Im losing matches by virtually playing opponents with too MUCH respect.

Fox only has 3 frames of jumpsquat...

 

[Soupeschleg]

I'm sure this has been asked before but what is the fastest way to take ledge from run?

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

I'm sure this has been asked before but what is the fastest way to take ledge from run?

Shine turn around wavedash to the ledge I think.

 

[SRGE]

Does anyone know if there is a frame difference when you're going for a running shine between jump canceling or crouch canceling the dash momentum? The reason I ask is because I think using jump canceled shines would help me be more consistent with grounded shine OoS's and staying grounded with multishines.