SCOTU's got a more definitive answer on this, but I'm pretty sure the earliest you can do the Shine is five frames after jumping.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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frame 1: press jump
2:
3:
4: press shine.
as for advice on it: slide your thumb from y>b lift and repeat.
better advice: don't use it unless you're perfect at it.
comment: it's not hard to do, it's only moderately difficult to do it as fast as possible multiple times in a row.
Best Advice: Don't bother wasting time on it at all. It's not good for anything.
2:
3:
4: press shine.
as for advice on it: slide your thumb from y>b lift and repeat.
better advice: don't use it unless you're perfect at it.
comment: it's not hard to do, it's only moderately difficult to do it as fast as possible multiple times in a row.
Best Advice: Don't bother wasting time on it at all. It's not good for anything.
brawlpro
Smash Master
other than looking tight! but thats bout it =/
and can characters grab you if your doing an infinite waveshine on them against the wall?
dawn001
Smash Ace
dude i was watching your combo video not bad at all but what i notice is that when you were drill shining it was to slow your apponent could have DI off of it but i see fasters drill shining but not bad you have a good fox..
heh heh, its thnx to brawlpro, for editing.dude i was watching your combo video not bad at all but what i notice is that when you were drill shining it was to slow your apponent could have DI off of it but i see fasters drill shining but not bad you have a good fox..
dawn001
Smash Ace
well maybe it depends if the shine does not send them to far but if not you got them....
brawlpro
Smash Master
what can i do to mind game other than dash dance, help plz?
dawn001
Smash Ace
not sure dude but this is what i do hmmm try doing well not sure what is the proper name for it but javi the best in mexico does it alot but is when you shor hop then you waveland i think but yeah i use it alot!! or combine it with dash dance and shor hop laser...ill send you a video of it hold on
brawlpro
Smash Master
iight kool, is it fox circling?
like what other than the light sheild edgehog...i can do the other things better without Z
dawn001
Smash Ace
yeah here is a video of them i could not find the right one when he use it but here is how he play' *my idol* http://youtube.com/watch?v=xHKahkR-oHs
here is another one..http://youtube.com/watch?v=KV43ahax33c
Those videos are old. Javi and Twin are much better now
dawn001
Smash Ace
yeah i know that but i was telling brawlpro about a different way to mind game instead of just doing dash dance he could do also jump circle a combine it...
CAn you give frame data for double shine pillaring? I was able to pull it out with decent consistency after a lot of hours of practice, I just wanted to know if it's really ungrabbable
Goldkirby
Smash Ace
*Ding* I think the lightbulb just went off in my head. I was wondering why sometimes I grabbed the ledge and sometimes I didn't when I ff diagonally down. I could've sworn that I have grabbed onto the edge before while still holding down, but it only works from what would be know as a "sweet spot"
Check my sig for frame data Q & A, or find that thread on fox's shield pressure (linked in SW's sticky). They have the info on it, so i've already given it. It can be "escaped" by spot dodging. i put escaped in quotes since it still leaves them right there w/ vulnerability, jc a usmash if they spot dodge.
dawn001
Smash Ace
how do you up-smash of the shine?
brawlpro
Smash Master
jc up-smash
dawn001
Smash Ace
*CONFUSE* explain ?
Shine then press the control stick and the c-stick UP at the same time (almost at the same time the c-stick should be pressed a little after) and you should get it
brawlpro
Smash Master
^ explained it before i could =P
dawn001
Smash Ace
oh ok thanks that makes sence ...
Button Smash
Smash Rookie
Isn't it easier to JC Usmash with control stick and A? It works for me.
Doraki's Instant Wall Jump is really confusing to me. Maybe someone else can explain better. No? I'll try reading it over a couple more times.
Doraki's Instant Wall Jump is really confusing to me. Maybe someone else can explain better. No? I'll try reading it over a couple more times.
Killress
Smash Ace
Hey guys. I was wonering if SHDL was worth learning? I'm alright at everything else, but i can't seem to SHDL and I'm not sure if i should spend my time practicing SHDL or spend it on somthing else. Thanks in Advance
-Killress
-Killress
Goldkirby
Smash Ace
SHDLs are not that useful. They are worth learning if you have all of the fundamentals down, but SHDL is more for situational spatial control. A tip to doing it is sliding your thumb from y -> b and pressing b twice quickly. The most important part of getting a SHDL is the slide from y -> b. Do it too slow and it is impossible to get both lasers to come out on time.
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
SHDL are very useful but only if you've mastered the technique completely. Otherwise your lasers won't come out fast enough for both to hit most characters, you'll screw up and get punished, etc.
brawlpro
Smash Master
Practice SHDL and JC Shines when you don't have anything else to practice...
For the instant walljump you can press(while you're grabbing the edge) the c-stick away from the edge to drop and then press(right after you'd press the c-stick) the control stick away from the edge to do the wall jump. Another method is to do the same but with the control stick only, is a little more harder tho. I don't see to many uses for fox exept maybe for double shine spiking....... stupid things...idk you can edgeguard effectively without it
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
What is dash-dancing exactly?? thx in advance...
brawlpro
Smash Master
lol its where you tap the control stick back and forth from left to right, it looks as if he is dancing, but time the dance well, and do it at a nice spot, good for mindgames.
FoxFtw
Smash Apprentice
LOL i use it alot but i didnt know that was the term for i... i thought it involved wavedashes or other stuff
THX
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brawlpro
Smash Master
there is something called a wave dance, dash forward > wdash back is an example, just dance with wdashes.
wave dash dancing is supossed to be with wavedashes only. I believe Surf wavedashing is the term for what you've said(mixing dashes and wavedashes or doing them across the level)
brawlpro
Smash Master
ah, thank you for the correction good sir.
That's not the way you talk... I guess that's the new brawlpro's style because you're a director now.
brawlpro
Smash Master
That highly depends on which character your teammate is good playing as.
RedYoshi92
Smash Lord
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I have a question
what are the best counter and neutral stages to fight falco on.He's my hardest matchup with fox.
what are the best counter and neutral stages to fight falco on.He's my hardest matchup with fox.