It depends alot on how much you think we have to gain from banning MK, and if it equals out the consequences of doing so.
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Fourth and final community vote about Meta Knight.
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Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Maybe... but this is not normal and he is probably the better player.
He can camp almost equally with MK. If they go hand to hand, snake can only hope that his ftilts hit.
It is to a campy MK.
MK can punish that move with literally every attack he has if it fails; usually it leads to a lot of pain.
Simple-he either lacked the knowledge for the matchup (Lain at APEX) or was beaten by the better (or luckier, read it as you will) player (Ally at APEX). It doesn't mean his char is any worse. It means he as a person failed.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
By the way.
I want to state that this whole Meta Knight ban-issue hurts the community a lot.
He is a nuisance to many, but it would hurt the community. I think if Meta Knight gets banned, a lot of Meta Knight players would simply quit the game and play something else. That means that we'd lose quite a lot of players, not only on Top level (Mew2King), but also throughout high and mid level play.
Furthermore, I think that many players of other characters are exaggerating their matchups against Meta Knight in order to have him banned faster, since - while not being a horrible one to most of the cast - he still gives them a slight disadvantage. With one disadvantage and the best character gone, these characters' players think they will magically do better at tournaments, while not keeping in mind that the characters that give them more problems will definitely see an increase from the Meta Knight players that stay in the game. The community has been so clenching onto the chance of Meta Knight being banned that I don't think that many things have been evaluated rationally.
In conclusion, while I do think Meta Knight's presence hurts the community as a whole, this is only due to the whole ban-talk.
I want to state that this whole Meta Knight ban-issue hurts the community a lot.
He is a nuisance to many, but it would hurt the community. I think if Meta Knight gets banned, a lot of Meta Knight players would simply quit the game and play something else. That means that we'd lose quite a lot of players, not only on Top level (Mew2King), but also throughout high and mid level play.
Furthermore, I think that many players of other characters are exaggerating their matchups against Meta Knight in order to have him banned faster, since - while not being a horrible one to most of the cast - he still gives them a slight disadvantage. With one disadvantage and the best character gone, these characters' players think they will magically do better at tournaments, while not keeping in mind that the characters that give them more problems will definitely see an increase from the Meta Knight players that stay in the game. The community has been so clenching onto the chance of Meta Knight being banned that I don't think that many things have been evaluated rationally.
In conclusion, while I do think Meta Knight's presence hurts the community as a whole, this is only due to the whole ban-talk.
Rykoshet
Smash Champion
Press B 3 or 4 times while walking forward then press down on your c stick. Neither are especially hard to play at low levels. Ike is amazin at low levels, who the **** cares about low levels.
but yes needs 2/3 majority. and from how it's looking, he won't get banned.
That's partly what I was thinking. I don't think we have enough to gain from a MK-less community to justify that.
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
i care about low lvls ryko stfu u jerk ill dins u 2 120% n UP SMASH ftw.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Ryko, I was responding to his post. No one cares about low levels.
finally listening huh mango. (play brawl)
finally listening huh mango. (play brawl)
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Again, missed point. If I could take vids I would-then you could see the difference. I think this isn't worth arguing further then...
...
*headdesk*
Same to your next post.
This is a **** good post. That and Spadefox's. I still think more is gained by banning though.
Palpi
Smash Hero
I am holding you to it. As best as someone across the country can. lulz
Palpi
Smash Hero
Oh I know. This game needs more Puff mains..
iRJi
Smash Champion
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Having MK in the game also hurts the community in a different point of view. What makes it so certain that people wouldn't drop the game because MK is unbalancing it? Tbh, The talk about people who are top players quitting because MK is banned is kind of iirelivent. I know some people who voted no just because of that reason, and I am like lolwat? trying to keep the community together is one thing, but we have an issue at hand that just doesn't involve what the top players think or feel about it. It is for the community as a whole. As of right now, there are a little bit more people who are complaining about MK then trying to save him.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Yeah, but that is about as relevant as saying the metaknight ban issue hurts the community especially when he doesn't deserve a ban.
Atlus8
Smash Master
I like Mahvel! I like the combos and s#!+
Not to mention we're all going to evolve into suck if he's banned.
But yeah, quoted for truth a thousand times. If MK IS banned, I know I'm quitting to separate myself from the sheer stupidity doomed to be associated with the community on the decision.
Zolios
Smash Apprentice
Play brawl I'll cut your throat.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Matador, that may be a bit harsh, but this is why M2K hates the community.
'OH BUT HE MAINS MK'
/sigh
Oh wait, you main mario? Yeah go ahead and quit if he gets banned
'OH BUT HE MAINS MK'
/sigh
Oh wait, you main mario? Yeah go ahead and quit if he gets banned
Atlus8
Smash Master
Nobody is gonna take you serious with that Milhouse avatar! Seriously, watch some mahvel people!
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
Who the **** cares what character someone plays? MKs want MK banned, MKs don't want him banned, non-MKs want him banned, non-MKs don't want him banned, some people don't care, some people don't know, etc. Don't be stupid.Oh wait, you main mario? Yeah go ahead and quit if he gets banned
Zolios
Smash Apprentice
Palpi
Smash Hero
I play Snake, Marth, and Falco...I used to main MK. I think Metaknight is stupid and I will never use him again, that doesn't warrant a ban. Regardless if I think he is stupid, overused, and "the best character." He fulfills everything, and nothing more of what the best character in a game should do.
Raph, it was a joke, ****ing chill.
Raph, it was a joke, ****ing chill.
They don't matter. They'd just as soon whine about Pit ledgecamping them or Snake spamming spotdodge -> Utilt when they're at 100+ percent.
They lack the drive to be better. Therefore, they play some other competitive game and get pissed off because his Fei long can't get in vs Sagat because he's "spamming Tiger shot and his standing roundhouse like a noob".
Or because they can't get around Jin's ice car.
Or because Tetris keeps giving them L's.
A New England Winter
Smash Lord
Matador, that may be a bit harsh, but this is why M2K hates the community.
'OH BUT HE MAINS MK'
/sigh
Oh wait, you main mario? Yeah go ahead and quit if he gets banned
Please open that can of worms. I'm RIGHT outside your window with a surprise for you.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
If you would've read my post, you would've seen that I didn't say only Top players would quit.
Atlus8
Smash Master
Awwwww! Closed within minutes! I'm willing to bet that half the people that voted on the poll don't even go to tournies!
Edit- watch some mahvel! Evo2k8 matches are cool!
warrenb
Smash Apprentice
This sums it up.
NightSky
Smash Journeyman
Aww too bad it was closed....The anti-ban's argument was very convincing...
>_>....
Rykoshet
Smash Champion
That's making a rather large assumption especially considering the characters you used in your admittedly arbitrary example. We regularly practice against a pit and a snake and it's still easy to see MK is broken beyond that. Would we quit? Well I did but it wasnt MK related, but he is unfortunately the poster child of what a lot of people consider "everything wrong with brawl".
I'm leaving my reasoning simple though.
"Can the character be put into a reasonable 4:6 situation"
"No"
"Ban"
That's WAAAY too simple. Sagat in SF4 doesn't even have a 4:6 and he's FAR from broken. Don't tell me you want him banned too?
Edit to respond to the first half: That just makes MK the best character in the game, no more than that. He's annoying as hell to fight. He's got a ton of ******** **** that is ridiculous to deal with.
But banning him is not the answer. We're forgetting that Brawl isn't even a good competitive game. If we ban MK, I promise you that there will sprout up in its place. ICs will rule the game with their infinites.
Marth will dominate because, on paper, MK's the only thing keeping him from ****** the entire game.
Maybe Snake will move into position as the most broken thing since sliced bread.
Don't ban clearly beatable things. It's too big of a step.
Zolios
Smash Apprentice
Can a moderator officially ban the argument about comparing the validity of characters in other games with brawl?
It's not working.
Especially for melee.
It's not working.
Especially for melee.
Rykoshet
Smash Champion
Don't play SF4 so I don't care. If I were to look into tourney results etc it's possible but not likely. It's a rather good coincidence that the best players don't often play sagat. Nevermind the fact that what, 2 characters in SF are banned? One for a unique ability (kind of like flight with a reward for being hit out of it) and the other for being rather blatantly broken?
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Please god this. Comparing smash to existing fighters DOES NOT WORK.
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