Fourth and final community vote about Meta Knight.

[DarkPikmin]

D: noo we have angered the master! Hide the crumpets!

Where were we on this discussion now? Planking or something?

 

[superyoshi888]

Air planking? Not sure.

Hey, got any Garfield images there?

 

[BBQTV]

at the end of the day is banning MK worth it

 

[1048576]

Who won with the IDC before it was banned, or are the anti-banners hypocrites?

Just sayin'

 

[PikaPika!]

Look, it is statistically impossible for MK to get banned.


SBR consists of best players around. MK dominates around 22% of the tourneys, extrapolate and you can guess at least 20% of SBR is MK. they only need 13% more of anti ban to stay around. Fun isnt it?

This is the reason MK will never even be close to being banned, there's too many MK players in the SBR and 99% of them will obviously vote to not ban their character.

 

[Overclassed]

Look, it is statistically impossible for MK to get banned.


SBR consists of best players around. MK dominates around 22% of the tourneys, extrapolate and you can guess at least 20% of SBR is MK. they only need 13% more of anti ban to stay around. Fun isnt it?

 

[swordgard]

I can't say anything about you, since you have contributed a lot by disproving two pro-ban arguements.

Now onto Ike. The main reason is, of course, that F-smash. That, coupled with his Quick Draw and Counter, makes him WAY over powered. DUh, he needs to be banned.

Did you see the range on that fair? MK may have transcendent priority, but that can backlash if the opponent has more range since he cant clash. Not only that, but add in comboes like neutral air to neutral air to up air to fsmash(cannot be avoided because ike can predict if you DI, as proven by the near coming MK ban).


Get ***** by ike!

 

[DarkPikmin]

at the end of the day is banning MK worth it

It's a vote with strong believers on both sides. People will be satisfied for either outcome. So yes and no

 

[MarKO X]

A) Plank vs sk92 at axis.
B) Mew2king making a banning thread.

*sigh*

So the community finds nothing wrong with banning planking with no evidence of planking being unbeatable.

Yeah, that definitely sounds like a plan to keep MetaKnight.

 

[Eddie G]

Look, it is statistically impossible for MK to get banned.


SBR consists of best players around. MK dominates around 22% of the tourneys, extrapolate and you can guess at least 20% of SBR is MK. they only need 13% more of anti ban to stay around. Fun isnt it?

~KBizzle

Yeah, not like it matters to me since I can still give good MKs a run for their money with Peach/Kirby; but I still call bull**** on the whole voting process. The public poll may be filled with a lot of nonsense, but the SBR poll is obviously filled with bias. Both are ridiculous to me.​

~The Gifted Unknown​

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[Overclassed]

Air planking? Not sure.

Hey, got any Garfield images there?

 

[DanGR]

I like how every time I come in this thread, no one responds to my posts with any intelligent rebuttals. I just get a bunch of crap with factual errors, strawman, logical fallacies, etc.

My question still stands. (addressing the anti-ban side) Why are planking/IDC banned? They are beatable within the realm of human ability, and they can be beaten at the top levels of play.

 

[Eddie G]

Who won with the IDC before it was banned, or are the anti-banners hypocrites?

Just sayin'

~KBizzle

Careful there. It's not anti-ban's fault when it comes to the planking decision. They can, however, try a little harder to answer the question about why it was banned though since they can obviously understand the logic of "banning for a valid reason". I have yet to see anyone but Swordgard answer the question.​

~The Gifted Unknown​

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[superyoshi888]

Oh wait....there is ONE character that can beat Ike....his name is a Luigi!

Fear his Weegee stare.

Captain Falcon doesn't count because the true Captain is still in Melee.

 

[Blubba_Pinecone]

King Beef, SasukeBowser, and OverClassed.

You three are by far the best contributers to this debate at the moment imo. This should be known.

 

[BBQTV]

Oh wait....there is ONE character that can beat Ike....his name is a Luigi!

Fear his Weegee stare.[/img]

Captain Falcon doesn't count because the true Captain is still in Melee.

run for your life its the weegee stare!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[swordgard]

I like how every time I come in this thread, no one responds to my posts with any intelligent rebuttals. I just get a bunch of crap with factual errors, strawman, logical fallacies, etc.

My question still stands. Why are planking/IDC banned? They are beatable within the realm of human ability, and they can be beaten at the top levels of play.

IDC cannot be beaten at high level of play, it will inevitably create forced overcentralization. Either you play MK or you lose because as soon as you dont have the lead he can teleport away and stall for any amount of time until the end of the match.

 

[Sosuke]

DanGR, I would just wait until some of the regular anti-ban posters visit the thread.

 

[SnowballBob33]

Ryko already said it. Most of the SBR use MK. MK pays the bills around the house. Why would they choose to get rid of something that pays bills?

 

[MarKO X]

We're not gonna get a legit answer for what evidence shows EDC/IDC and planking to be unbeatable.

It's one of those.... "things."

 

[Alus]

IDC cannot be beaten at high level of play, it will inevitably create forced overcentralization. Either you play MK or you lose because as soon as you dont have the lead he can teleport away and stall for any amount of time until the end of the match.

As well as FOREVER stalling the game through constant draws...

Ryko already said it. Most of the SBR use MK. MK pays the bills around the house. Why would they choose to get rid of something that pays bills?

How would they not still get money? People really good at the game will remain good.

 

[superyoshi888]

Planking should be allowed IMO unless it can be proven broken. IDC is broken...invincibility + invisibility....

 

[MarKO X]

IDC cannot be beaten at high level of play, it will inevitably create forced overcentralization. Either you play MK or you lose because as soon as you dont have the lead he can teleport away and stall for any amount of time until the end of the match.

IDC to stall is obviously unbeatable. Just like Homing Attack under the stage. (unless you go MK, Pit, or maybe Kirby, and possibly other characters to stop it.)

EDC for positioning.... that's unbeatable? Your theory does not impress me.

 

[Master Raven]

no u

no u

10nou

 

[swordgard]

We're not gonna get a legit answer for what evidence shows EDC/IDC and planking to be unbeatable.

It's one of those.... "things."

Seriously, i told you, infinite stalling is banned for a reason. It creates forced overcentralization. I dont see MK pro ban answer why planking was banned either. So please stop. EDC shouldnt be banned since it still has a limited duration which cannot be varied indefinitly. Planking was banned prematurely imo, not that much testing was made.



EDIT: They asked IDC first, not EDC. I dont believe EDC is really banned, has no reason to be.

 

[Kamikaze*]

at the end of the day is banning MK worth it

No.

 

[Overclassed]

no u

no u

10nou

 

[Eddie G]

IDC to stall is obviously unbeatable. Just like Homing Attack under the stage. (unless you go MK, Pit, or maybe Kirby, and possibly other characters to stop it.)

EDC for positioning.... that's unbeatable? Your theory does not impress me.

~KBizzle

No matter what though, Planking is definitely beatable. Anti-ban also often refers to the highest levels of play for their reasoning, and planking is obviously beatable at top levels of play, again making them the perfect candidates to answer the question as to why Planking has been banned.​

~The Gifted Unknown​

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[Master Raven]

EDC is the new Dtilt

 

[DarkPikmin]

EDC is the new Dtilt

You're saying it could be used for spacing right?

 

[SnowballBob33]

How would they not still get money? People really good at the game will remain good.

You can work at a steel mill and make $7 an hour, or you can work at safeway and get $10 an hour.

 

[Kamikaze*]

EDC is the new Dtilt

EDC should just be banned so people can stop using it as an argument.

 

[DanGR]

DanGR, I would just wait until some of the regular anti-ban posters visit the thread.

I have. They ignore my posts and instead respond to dumb pro-ban posts.

 

[Red Arremer]

To clarify the rule confusion:
Infinite Dimensional Cape (IDC) is banned officially.
Extended Dimensional Cape (EDC) is not banned at all.
The Ledgegrab Rule is not established officially, many tournaments use it, though (which means Planking isn't banned either).
Aircamping/Airplanking is not banned at all.

Edit: Sorry, got words confused, lol.

 

[SnowballBob33]

~KBizzle

No matter what though, Planking is definitely beatable. Anti-ban also often refers to the highest levels of play for their reasoning, and planking is obviously beatable at top levels of play, again making them the perfect candidates to answer the question as to why Planking has been banned.​

~The Gifted Unknown​

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iknorite!!

 

[Kamikaze*]

To clarify the rule confusion:
Infinite Dimensional Cape (IDC) is banned officially.
Extended Dimensional Cape (EDC) is not banned at all. But it should be banned.
The Ledgegrab Rule is not established officially, many tournaments use it, though (which means Planking isn't banned either).
Aircamping/Airplanking is not banned at all.

Edit: Sorry, got words confused, lol.

Fixed for ya.

 

[Sosuke]

You know what's really sad?

There are techniques people are finding and keeping to themselves for the sole purpose of not letting MK players find out about them. lol

 

[Overclassed]

And now, a fascinating look at the Pro-Ban vs Anti Ban argument:

 

[Strong Badam]

i don't really see how "air planking" could be justifiably banned. it's simply playing defensively and once again playing to MK's strengths and exploiting almost every other character's weakness.

 

[Red Arremer]

Fixed for ya.

Please fix the quote to say the now editted text too. lol