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Correction. No one in Brawl has the capabilities to go even with MK.
Some characters give MK a considerably difficult time. Falco, DK, Snake, Diddy Kong, Yoshi, even DDD (Sorta). MK still has an advantage in all those cases, but it's certainly not easy.
Lol at this whole leader stuff. The only time Scotu ever contributes it's something negative about Fox, i've never heard him say anything positive about Fox.
Hmm. interesting point, there.
You've not seen my guide I wrote. (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188497) It's very optimistic and positive about fox.
No one actually called you a leader lol. You just kinda assumed that that was implied somehow >_> (not until EL did just now anyway)
Ok, i just got done playing a bunch of brawl. First off, the dair Rarely beats the tornado. If you somehow manage to get it perfectly lined up, then it might beat it, depending on when the tornado hits and when the dair hits. From the side, i don't believe it's possible for the dair to win at all. As far as lining up the dair directly above MK, it's more luck than skill, as the MK would have to move directly under you at the right time. HOWEVER, it is far more legitimate to assume you can SDI out of a tornado and SHINE MK out of it. However, by this time, you've taken a good 8-12%, and they took about 4% and are now below you to **** you when you come down. Moral of the story: Dair isn't a reliable counter to the Mach Tornado, whoever says that it is, is simply full of ****.
However, when you just go into someone's thread and make very blatant claims, such as "Fox goes even with MK" or "Fox's Air game is at least as good as MKs" without actually backing any of it up, not only doesn't help your point, but rather, it makes you look like an *** who actually cannot back up his claim. (which, since all evidence that has been posted here is actually pointing in the other direction). You're simply trolling.
I've never said the matchup was 100-0; I've actually said that it's 70-30, something very different from 100-0
No one is ruling out Fox's chances in higher play. Saying he has a 70-30 matchup vs saying he's even does no ruling out. It's just saying to be more accurate in your descriptions of how hard it is to win a particular matchup.
yes, if you SDI the first hit away, you can probably escape only taking 2%. However, no real player will likely do that, and likely ends up SDIing out after being hit several times.
Re read what I said again before you blow your top my friend.
I even said I wouldnt of quoted him in the thread so much. He just posts a lot of things I disagree with as well.
god forbid i countradict myself once. And besides, I posted that to one of those guys who was saying "MK is better than fox because he is." Which we both know doesn't cut it.
apparently you havent seen this.
just pointing out he never said rule out fox >_>
And he is a lackey? how? Because he agrees with the big bad Emblem Lord and not the Fox guys?
Mindgames will apply to match up when Metaknight is bottom tier.
and theyre all 60:40 MK,no one is higer than that,not even Fox(espcially not fox,hes a 60:40 aswell)
it helps pass the time
I'm down with that scotu for prezz.
I would love if Fox went 60:40 with MK.
Exchange? Don't you mean clang?
not good enough.
That isn't mindgames thats part of an approach. MK is grounded you rush dash shield grab.
yeah its great that Fox can punish a single mistake harshly, but the issue is that this assumes that MK makes the mistake. Considering that the position he can place Fox in means that he will not need to pull out a dsmash, shuttleloop unless he feels is safe.
Except they are criticizing you for not backing up your points.
1 SDI doesn't get you out of a tornado at head height.
Shine does have some invincibility, and that can eat through a tornado. My statement came from direct empirical evidence.
Actually, you're being ridiculed because of the claims you make, it just so happens that EL is making more rational claims, and therefore is not ridiculed about it. You'll note that no one says anything like "STFU you're not agreeing w/ EL" The ONLY person who keeps bringing up what side of the argument EL is on, and uses it as some sort of argumental point, is you.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=lackey
that would only apply if the MK were to sit there dtilting several times to allow the fox to run into the dtilt w/ a shield. A reverse sh fair > dtilt still beats all your approaches, including this one.
that isn't a "mindgame" and that is in no way "pulling 'mindgames' into it"
Mindgames shouldn't be considered for matchups because they are character independent, in every way, shape, and form. bringing mindgames into a matchup discussion is like saying a fox player is smarter than a metaknight player.
MK has almost as much KO power out of his shield (shuttle loop), except that his doesn't really leave him open, and can attack during multihit attacks such as G&W's turtule, MK's tornado, or fox's fair/dair.
that's strictly out of context referencing. In this context, no one had mentioned a current existing leader (until EL slipped his post in before mine).
Since I was arguing against people who think the matchup is closer than 70-30, of course i'm going to argue w/ a majority of emphasis on what the MK can do against the fox. btw, many people say that 70-30 is a hard counter (note that hard counter =/= unwinnable).
Saying the "Tornado ***** Fox" actually is an opinion *facepalm*; listing specific things about why the tornado is good against fox is not, however.
