Fire Emblem: The Discussion Thread (keep FE Fates story under spoilertags)

[smashbot226]

I would stab M2K fatally if they promised they'd make a Fire Emblem Musou game.

Spoiler

I'm not sorry for it

 

[camerino1]

Meg turns out technically good. If anything, Leonardo might be the worst end-game DB character. He still isn't bad though, it's just that almost every character in this game can and will turn out great if trained.

I also have never really seen why people say that the DB chapters lack experience for them. From my knowledge, I've had every character in the DB up to level 18 or higher by part 1 endgame on the same playthrough (except Laura).

 

[smashbot226]

Meg turns out technically good. If anything, Leonardo might be the worst end-game DB character. He still isn't bad though, it's just that almost every character in this game can and will turn out great if trained.

I also have never really seen why people say that the DB chapters lack experience for them. From my knowledge, I've had every character in the DB up to level 18 or higher by part 1 endgame on the same playthrough (except Laura).

Both characters get completely outclassed by practically everyone else that shares their class. Gatrie/Brom for Meg and Shinon/friggin ROLF for Leonardo. I mean it, why bother babying two terrible characters when you get two fantastic ones right out of the box? And I must emphasize the difference between "trained" and "babied".

 

[camerino1]

I know, I just like babying units for some reason. It's more fun than just playing to beat the levels, you might as well take the weakest units and make them gods.

 

[Pink Reaper]

I don't see Meg, Lyre, or Astrid anywhere.

While somewhat agree with your sentiment, you can't really claim the same on HM, where the game becomes a completely different sort of beast. Then you get to figure out the hard way why so many people despise the Dawn Brigade and think the Greil Mercenaries are the most overpowered bunch since the FE8 horse users. Yes, you can still get someone like Fiona to a decent level, but it's REALLY difficult to do so without immense babying when you already get good cavaliers... well, Titania is technically the best one but Haar beats every other sort of rider by a gajillion.

FE8 horse users? I think your confusing sacred stones with any game that isnt sacred stones. The horse riders in FE8 are ***.

 

[Delta-cod]

My experience so far with Meg has been good. She was able to act as a wall on the first chapter I had her, even, so it wasn't too painful to catch her up in experience. Past that, she was fairly solid, and she ended up being one of very few units that could take more than one hit before she died. She also ended up being an incredibly powerful mage slayer. She would hit them twice for 15-17 damage a pop and her Res meant she would only take 4-6 damage from the attack.

 

[kirbyraeg]

nobody here knows overpowered until they've used Sety with Holsety. ****.

Hell, anybody with a holy weapon is legitimately broken, and it's amazing.

edit: Seth was awesome. Not very good, but he was awesome.

 

[~Firefly~]

Brigands with Hand Axes are the epitome of Murphy's Law.

 

[Ussi]

Hits with 01 and dodges 99

 

[Pink Reaper]

nobody here knows overpowered until they've used Sety with Holsety. ****.

Hell, anybody with a holy weapon is legitimately broken, and it's amazing.

edit: Seth was awesome. Not very good, but he was awesome.

Yo, I got nino 20/20 two chapters after recruiting her. You want to talk overpowered? She's capped in like, everything except Def.

 

[kirbyraeg]

but holsety.

+10 skill, +20 speed says **** you to stat caps.

 

[smashbot226]

FE8 horse users? I think your confusing sacred stones with any game that isnt sacred stones. The horse riders in FE8 are ***.

Ha ha ha u so funneh

Seth is considered to be the primary reason FE8 is the easiest of them all, even on hard mode. Franz/Eph Mode Duessel/Kyle are god tier. Get on my level.

 

[Ussi]

Yo, I got nino 20/20 two chapters after recruiting her. You want to talk overpowered? She's capped in like, everything except Def.

Too bad she has the lowest con in the game

inb4youlikeflorinayouhypocrite

 

[Pink Reaper]

Who ****ing cares lol. 30 Mag+Lightning all day erryday.

 

[smashbot226]

Too bad she has the lowest con in the game

inb4youlikeflorinayouhypocrite

Who ****ing cares lol. 30 Mag+Lightning all day erryday.

I'm sure that's perfectly manageable.

On womanly Eliwood Normal Mode. I'm positive you could level up Karla and- okay I'm sorry but to put Nino anywhere on the same level as Erk/Pent is just laughable, considering all the work you'd need to put into her just to end up with a comparable unit to Erk/Pent. Makes you wonder where else you could spend all that EXP, hmm?

 

[Pink Reaper]

Erk and Pent are ****ing awful lol. I had a 20/9 Erk but dropped him because nino's stats were superior to his before she even promoted, and Pent was worse than Erk was. Also, all the "work" for nino was literally 2 chapters lol

 

[TL?]

Yo, I got nino 20/20 two chapters after recruiting her. You want to talk overpowered? She's capped in like, everything except Def.

Uh... Have you played FE4? Capped in everything except defence in FE7 is a joke compared to Sety.

 

[smashbot226]

Erk and Pent are ****ing awful lol

I'm going to stop taking you seriously now since you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, which I can somewhat understand since this is a Brawl fanboard and not a Fire Emblem fanboard but you've nonetheless proven how little you know about either character. I will also stop myself from completely reaming Nino of any actual value since you don't have the back-up for a potential Hector Hard Mode argument.

 

[Pink Reaper]

It's cool, you're the guy who seems to think Seth is somehow the best character in a game where Amelia exists.

Nino is the best Sage hands down, especially since she gets a Fire/Fire support with Rebecca, who in turn Fire/Fire supports with Dart.

Erk is only good for the fact that he's the only ****ing mage you get for the majority of the game. His growths are nothing special, his support pool isnt that great(though neither is Nino's) and he would literally never see use if Nino actually came earlier in the game.

As for Hector Hard Mode, of course nino isnt the best unit in the game. ****ing Mathew is. Get that money.

 

[smashbot226]

It's cool, you're the guy who seems to think Seth is somehow the best character in a game where Amelia exists.

Nino is the best Sage hands down, especially since she gets a Fire/Fire support with Rebecca, who in turn Fire/Fire supports with Dart.

Erk is only good for the fact that he's the only ****ing mage you get for the majority of the game. His growths are nothing special, his support pool isnt that great(though neither is Nino's) and he would literally never see use if Nino actually came earlier in the game.

As for Hector Hard Mode, of course nino isnt the best unit in the game. ****ing Mathew is. Get that money.

You haven't seen a single actual tier list for any game, have you.

Just... just go to serenesforums.net, I can guarantee you they'll ream your supposed claims of any worth whatsoever. PEMN and whatnot.

EDIT: Ah, here is FE8's No Seth Tier List. Yes, they added a No Seth Tier List because he makes THAT much of a difference.

http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26257

And FE7's-

http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=15261

Now keep in mind this site is full of people who are mostly not lolicons and won't have their sexual tastes influence the perception of a unit's value.

EDIT EDIT: Apologies, the FE7 one was apparently outdated or something. Ah well, here's an S Rank list to keep you occupied.

http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=19563

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to stop taking you seriously now since you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, which I can somewhat understand since this is a Brawl fanboard and not a Fire Emblem fanboard but you've nonetheless proven how little you know about either character. I will also stop myself from completely reaming Nino of any actual value since you don't have the back-up for a potential Hector Hard Mode argument.

"I'm going to withdraw from the argument as my primary means of winning it." Is this a good placement for a "Tactician" joke?

Are Erk and Pent better than Nino? Probably. She comes late at level 5. But Nino is still a ****ing boss after a few level-ups and more importantly she isn't Erk.

Jerking to HHM is for people that are too lazy to watch it and copy people on youtube. Who the **** cares.

 

[Pink Reaper]

It's cool, as someone who has done a HHM perfect rank run(and failed miserably after one mission just pissed me off too much) I know what the tier list is. I know WHY you and everyone else says erk and pent are better than Nino. Im literally just saying that as an individual character, nino > all other magic users. She's just outright 100% useless because of when and how you get her.

Also I've always considered FE8 Tier Lists ********. Skirmish maps literally negate how good any given character is simply because of the fact that it no longer matters what a character can and cant do early game or when you get them simply because you can just grind until it no longer matters. Even on hard mode, which if you were paying attention to the last few pages you'd know I just did an Eirika playthrough not too long ago, and I did it as a no Seth run, but not because he breaks the game but because I didnt want to use him lol. He only "breaks the game" in that he's a pre-promo unit who is actually pretty good(good stat growths, good opening stats, GODLY support pool) but again, that DOESNT ****ING MATTER BECAUSE IT'S SACRED STONES.

If Seth was in FE7 I'd call him the best god damn unit in forever, right below matthew, because again, MONEY, but he's not, he's in FE8, where being a good paladin only matters until you realize that you can cap every single units stats in everything.

 

[smashbot226]

"I'm going to withdraw from the argument as my primary means of winning it." Is this a good placement for a "Tactician" joke?

Are Erk and Pent better than Nino? Probably. She comes late at level 5. But Nino is still a ****ing boss after a few level-ups and more importantly she isn't Erk.

Jerking to HHM is for people that are too lazy to watch it and copy people on youtube. Who the **** cares.

Well if you want a justification for my opinion I'd gladly give it to you.

So we've got Nino. Only possible use for her ever is EXP rank and I've only heard, other than from the uneducated, that she's completely unnecessary. Her bases are good for her level as are her growths, but relative to the enemies she has to face when she joins? She is absolutely terrible. She's going up against promoted units and unless you're stupid careful with her, she's only going to die/get your units potentially killed. Poor movement and constant attention bring down any potential she might've had. Even after you train her up, it's far worth too much effort for how late she comes. Assuming we're talking HHM, you're not going to have too many slots available and using one up exclusively for her is a waste of time. She's outclassed by every magic user you get up to that point despite her 20/20 averages she may never even hit. Even if she's promoted, she doesn't have enough rank to go to Physic and won't hit B unless you waste turns on PURPOSE just to rank her up. Sure, you could go through the trouble of training her. In Normal. Arriving as a Level 5 Mage just can't contribute anything helpful, at all.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Now keep in mind this site is full of people who are mostly not lolicons and won't have their sexual tastes influence the perception of a unit's value.

This got a smirk from me. Haha.

I never really cared much for S-ranking FE7. I just played these games cause I enjoyed them. I'm not that good because I still can't go through Eliwood Hard Mode.

 

[Ussi]

Just cause someone is a lolicon doesn't mean they'll like Nino. They'll like one of the many choices to pick from~

Pent is good because he has good base stats and starts with a B in staves. He's basically the best free healer you get in the game. Erk sucks for me cause he always gets RNG screwed for me :|

Nino has no place really anywhere.. Even in Link Arena, Athos and Canas out class her as a magic user as the only thing a magic user can do in Link Arena is Luna spam as its easy to kill them and they can't fight anyone without getting hurt. In a uber spear enviroment sages can't do anything when Oswin/Farina will have 39 resistance

Guess in an hacked enviroment, Nino can use dark magic and have 20+ con then she'd wreckface xD

Well, i've used Nino before.. (as i've done runs using everyone at one point in FE7) and i did like her end game, but getting there took hard babying and stalled turns to protect her from flyers coming in and killing her.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Nino is overrated yeah. Much like Jaffar.

I liked Rath in FE7 really actually. He might not be as good as Shin (hard mode) in FE6, but he's still great.

I always use Oujay instead of Dieck to. Dieck always gets RNG screwed on me. Especially on speed. Roy has turned out great more often than Dieck turned good even lol.

Pretty hyped for FE13 though.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

My Unit can marry other units. And this is any playable character. Hm...

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I bet they will impose a female to male only sort of thing.

Nino da best. Completely bias for Afa Drop usage and wasting turns to get her good.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Well, i've used Nino before.. (as i've done runs using everyone at one point in FE7) and i did like her end game, but getting there took hard babying and stalled turns to protect her from flyers coming in and killing her.

It's cool, I just cheated and used the Mine Glitch. I think next time I'll just RNG farm as well so i can get a perfect nino. I need that defense.

 

[kirbyraeg]

wow why act so serious about this?

i'll admit never playing for rank, in fact i think my ranks were pretty godawful even though i always kept everybody alive mostly because i'd always spend down my funds in the secret shops. character reliability and overall use =/= seeing a whole bunch of green maxed stat bars at the end, and i happen to like babying others along and not bothering for S rank

 

[Pink Reaper]

Seriously, HHM S Rank runs are ********. It's literally just following step by step instructions. You're not playing a game, you're just doing what the first guy who managed to get an S rank on HHM did to the exact letter.

But seeing a whole bunch of green maxed stat bars is the best thing ever.

 

[Ussi]

My Unit can marry other units. And this is any playable character. Hm...

Immersion ftw, now i want to play male my units now. Hope they can get beards..

Also S rank HHM can't be followed step by step cause RNG. Best stat in the game is def in HHM cause if your squishies can take hits, the game gets so much more managable (i got Guy +2 def HM bonus and +2 def in levels and omg i could send him into a group of axe users with relative safety)

 

[smashbot226]

Seriously, HHM S Rank runs are ********. It's literally just following step by step instructions. You're not playing a game, you're just doing what the first guy who managed to get an S rank on HHM did to the exact letter.

But seeing a whole bunch of green maxed stat bars is the best thing ever.

Part of the challenge is not doing what the guy before me did for S Rank. Sure, it probably means using the most efficient units for that purpose, but I also don't know how that guy did it in the first place. Also, I'm almost positive that devaluing the HHM S Rank run to a mere robotic analysis is akin to likening pre-ban Brawl tournaments to Meta Knight fests.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

There is quite a bit of flexibility in S ranking HHM. There are certainly restrictions on what you do such as being aggressive, but you can still change it up quite a bit.

-With the silver card later on, your funds ranking should be set so long as you get the most exp. items every map.
-Turns shouldn't be an issue too much. One guy did a 0% growth run on HHM in 197 turns. You have around 310 turns to S rank HHM. So with growth, you could potentially cut off even more turns.
-Survival is not an issue so long as you make sure everyone lives and reset when someone dies.
-Combat normally is not an issue either.

The only big problem seems to be the experience rank. I can never keep that high enough. It seems to stay up there until the end chapters when it finally takes a dive.

 

[smashbot226]

There is quite a bit of flexibility in S ranking HHM. There are certainly restrictions on what you do such as being aggressive, but you can still change it up quite a bit.

-With the silver card later on, your funds ranking should be set so long as you get the most exp. items every map.
-Turns shouldn't be an issue too much. One guy did a 0% growth run on HHM in 197 turns. You have around 310 turns to S rank HHM. So with growth, you could potentially cut off even more turns.
-Survival is not an issue so long as you make sure everyone lives and reset when someone dies.
-Combat normally is not an issue either.

The only big problem seems to be the experience rank. I can never keep that high enough. It seems to stay up there until the end chapters when it finally takes a dive.

Hah, you must be an alternate reality version of me. I tried the 0% growth hack and it was considerably difficult, even on HNM. Other than that, your issues are pretty much synonymous with mine. Only plausible way I've managed to sneak toward an S Rank in experience is to synthesize it from arena + healer spam while my other units do the heavy lifting.

 

[Ussi]

There is quite a bit of flexibility in S ranking HHM. There are certainly restrictions on what you do such as being aggressive, but you can still change it up quite a bit.

-With the silver card later on, your funds ranking should be set so long as you get the most exp. items every map.
-Turns shouldn't be an issue too much. One guy did a 0% growth run on HHM in 197 turns. You have around 310 turns to S rank HHM. So with growth, you could potentially cut off even more turns.
-Survival is not an issue so long as you make sure everyone lives and reset when someone dies.
-Combat normally is not an issue either.

The only big problem seems to be the experience rank. I can never keep that high enough. It seems to stay up there until the end chapters when it finally takes a dive.

Don't use only 1 set of units, gotta rotate them so you don't gain little exp in the final chapters.

0% growth rate sounds like a pain.. I RNG abuse my level ups as it is (always reset till i get a good one) so 0% growth i prob can't do..

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Ok so i think i just missed recruiting erk. Is that a big deal?

Also its annoying b/c i knew how to get him but erk and marcus kept being attacked and killing all the enemies so i didnt get to the town b4 i defeated all the enemies and beat the mission

 

[jamlosingthegame]

I'm assuming this is Eliwood's story. To recruit him, just have Serra talk to him. The village in the south has Priscilla, a troubadour. Dunno if you like healers, but without her you're also not going to be getting Raven (which is the only mercenary IIRC) and Lucius. Too bad cause you missed out on a hero, which is my favorite unit. Only other one is Harken, and he comes later. Recruiting him can either be easy or difficult depending on the chapter you get with him.

And if you missed Erk, you're gonna be mageless for a while. Next magic user is Lucius (who I assume you missed) and then Canas in a side chapter.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Dam seems it was a rather large miss. I do have another save file at the level 7 side mission, should i just start from there or should i live with my mistake?

 

[Ussi]

Restart, Raven is one of the best units in the game. The next healer after Priscilla is Pent in chapter 26 so you'll be healing off Serra and vulneraries unless you promote a magic user which you don't have besides Canas (but you might miss the side chapter to get him especially since Raven isn't gonna be recruited you have to rush kill him for the side chapter for Canas)

Protip- Marcus will suck exp if you have him kill units, don't keep weapons on him, use him as a meat shield and escort.