Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Nicholas1024]

Hey X1, care to join me on the Beatstick wagon?

 

[X1-12]

eh, not really tbh. I'm liking this OS vote right now. Maybe will switch later

 

[Beat!]

Lol Nich.

If you want a big answer, you'll get it tomorrow, as I'm on my phone right now.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Nice OMGUS.

It was you or Nich. I trusted Nich to be town more than you. After you both claimed, I trusted him more and he was more useful to town. Now we get adumbrodeus' role, and can continue scum hunting.

Way to not read the end of last day phase OS. I mean seriously, there were several questions asked toward you that you never bothered to answer, several points made against you that you never responded, and now you're making lameo excuses.

 

[Overswarm]

Raz is town because I really don't think any scum is that ****ing dumb.

Didn't chibo counter-claim Day Vig when he wasn't day vig and get shot?

Before more random wagons start and town goes in forty directions again, we need to ask some questions. Normal conversation can continue AFTER questions have been asked.

I'm not liking Raziek's claim because we now have added WIFOM and it is tempting to set a course on his alignment with it. I'm not liking Nich saying "oh, the ability I claimed? I get no result. Also, I can't use it again. Darn!"

We can't claim that either is true or false.... yet.

However, I sincerely doubt that scum decided to play multiple gambits like that. It's entirely possible Nich could be a Janitor and be being ballsy as hell, but his play still seems town to me. I also noted earlier that I thought Nich's play seemed like it was a power role, so his claim fits my read on him. Plus, the idea of claiming "I can see roles when they are janitored", then adumb getting janitored, and saying "no idea guys, also can't use my ability again" is kind of insane from a scum point of view.

So at the very least, Raziek and Nich both wouldn't be scum no matter what you thought about either individually unless mafia is incredibly risky... something I wouldn't put Nich or Raziek up to.

To reiterate, I think Nich is town. Null on Raziek.

Nich's claim should be semi-confirmed if we don't see a Janitor toNight; it'd mean they were both one shot abilities. This doesn't mean that the Janitor has to be, but it is possible and something we should look for.

My first question:

@Raziek

What do you think of Nich's claim that his ability didn't work and that he can't use it again?



I suggest everyone else ask specific questions to specific players as well.

 

[Overswarm]

Way to not read the end of last day phase OS. I mean seriously, there were several questions asked toward you that you never bothered to answer, several points made against you that you never responded, and now you're making lameo excuses.

I'm not sure what excuse I made.

I didn't answer anybody's questions at the end of yesterDay, and that was deliberate. You can ask me them now and I'll answer, but I'm not going to sidetrack town when there is a wagon split between two people and we're on a deadline extension going into the final days.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I'm not sure what excuse I made.

I didn't answer anybody's questions at the end of yesterDay, and that was deliberate. You can ask me them now and I'll answer, but I'm not going to sidetrack town when there is a wagon split between two people and we're on a deadline extension going into the final days.

Prior to nich's claim, why did you argue to death that nich was town?

Why did you also constantly discredit nich's lynch without providing different reasoning?

Why did you deliberately ignore the questions asked toward you?

 

[Nicholas1024]

By the way, just to be clear, my census ability is used up, but I still have the 1-shot coroner ability.

 

[Overswarm]

Prior to nich's claim, why did you argue to death that nich was town?

I've played games with Nich before and know his style. In those games, I've read up on his past games I haven't been. He's one of the players I feel I know very well. His inactivity early on wasn't too telling to me, but his play as the Day went on felt like Town Nich and I predicted (accurately) that he had a power role. His play has continued to confirm my belief that he is town.

Why did you also constantly discredit nich's lynch without providing different reasoning?

I don't understand this question. Do you mean "why didn't you defend Nich in a different way then above"?

If you're looking as to why my vote was on you rather than Nich, it's pretty simple. Gordito played awfully, and you didn't play much better. None of it would ever peg someone as scum, but when it's between you and Nich who had claimed a good role and played town to a T, my vote will land on you.

Why did you deliberately ignore the questions asked toward you?

I don't like diverting Town from a fragile situation towards an anti-town outcome. You can ask me NOW "why do you think Nich is so town?" and I could say whatever I wanted and the result wouldn't hurt town. If I say something scummy, you can push for my lynch, if I say something that isn't scummy you can pat me on the back and give me a high five. We've got plenty of time left.

If the Day is getting closer to a lynch and we're split between two people and I said something and someone didn't like it (or wanted to pursue questioning) and said "let's lynch Overswarm", we've just turned a two-way push into a three-way push. Much more likely for a No Lynch.

This is similar reasoning to why, despite Zen and X1 being under my radar for a portion of D1, I didn't push for them. There were two possible outcomes as the Day went on, and I felt Nich was town. That leaves my vote on you.

 

[Overswarm]

By the way, just to be clear, my census ability is used up, but I still have the 1-shot coroner ability.

Are you able to say who adumbrodeus was?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Are you able to say who adumbrodeus was?

Not yet, it's a night ability, so I should be able to tell you come D3.

 

[giraffelasergun]

I don't like diverting Town from a fragile situation towards an anti-town outcome. You can ask me NOW "why do you think Nich is so town?" and I could say whatever I wanted and the result wouldn't hurt town. If I say something scummy, you can push for my lynch, if I say something that isn't scummy you can pat me on the back and give me a high five. We've got plenty of time left.

I agree with the rest of you post but I still don't understand why you didn't give the reasoning behind a nich town earlier. I could understand if the question was "quick os who do you want to lynch that isn't glg or nich" but the question was why one of the two main lynch targets was town. You say that this would have had an anti-town outcome but saying why you think one of the players being lynched is town when there at l-2 and its a day toward deadline when there is no way you'll vote them is not helping either, as you could have used that as more reason to lynch me and not to just let the votes sit on him.

Also, I'm guessing we won't learn Adumb's role. Ever.

 

[Raziek]

Oh hey guys. Vote: Overswarm.

Raziek, why did you claim?

I mentioned it already, but I'll say it again. I claimed because I wanted to give town one less person to worry about. Given my suspicious Day 1 play, it was quite possible that people might seek to lynch me, and that would be wasting town's time. Further, my ability isn't exactly very useful, so there was no huge reason for me to hide my identity.

@Raz: Why Overswarm? Also please post the full message you sent him.

I chose someone who I had a reasonable null read on. I didn't want to go for obvtown and risk my target dying by NK. Picking someone who I had a scum read on would also have been ok, but I chose OS. He's also skeptical enough (as shown) to try to claim that maybe I made the whole thing up, and sent the message to a scumbuddy who was in on the plot.

Evidently I was right in that regard, since he can't deny it if he received it himself, and if he WAS to deny it, I'd flip with my role, and we'd have a scum kill for his denying it.

I won't directly quote the whole PM until we receive clarification from Xiivi, but I will paraphrase the whole thing for you.

Loosely paraphrased:

It's Raziek, I'm Ranulf, Mercenary Agent, and I'm sending you this message to say I'm town.

I breadcrumbed my role in my 1077 with the words "Agent Orange". On Day 2, I will be full claiming.

If you're town, there's no reason for you not to confirm that you received this. If you're scum, you'll die on my flip.

I kept it pretty concise and to the point. No reason to get excessively verbose.

@Raziek

What do you think of Nich's claim that his ability didn't work and that he can't use it again?

I think the outcome is pretty simple, it's one of two things:

1) Nich is lying. I don't think this is the case.

2) Mafia has a roleblocker, and blocked him. This, to me, is the obvious resolution to the night's events. Unless Mafia had a read on another major PR, like Doc or Cop, they have every reason to block Nich. It easily would make him an easier lynch target, AND him being forced to claim covers their tracks nicely.

This does create WIFOM, as already mentioned. If we had a Doc, I'd imagine he protected Nich, as the only claimed PR. NK'ing Nich would likely have failed.

That said, I'm left asking a few questions.

Did Vult die because he used his ability, or was he killed?

Does Mafia have 2 NKs, or are we looking at a possible SK/Vig kill?

Mafia almost certainly killed/jan'd Adum, leaving Vult as either a sacrificial death, or a second kill by Vig, SK, or Mafia.

These aren't really questions we can answer right now, so I feel like we should look at people who were involved with Vult at the end of yesterday. Zen is the first one to come to mind, though I'll need to re-read it.

 

[Raziek]

Oh yeah.

@mod: Am I allowed to quote the PM I sent to Overswarm, or does that constitute a violation of Rule 5?

 

[giraffelasergun]

I mentioned it already, but I'll say it again. I claimed because I wanted to give town one less person to worry about. Given my suspicious Day 1 play, it was quite possible that people might seek to lynch me, and that would be wasting town's time. Further, my ability isn't exactly very useful, so there was no huge reason for me to hide my identity.

Don't you think it would have been better to at least wait until there was some suspicion brought up on you this day phase?

 

[Raziek]

Why would I do that? All that would do is make it look like I was claiming when backed into a corner. As OS already pointed out, I can't technically fully confirm my role, so it's not much better than claiming Vanilla.

Besides, claiming when the pressure is on didn't really work for you, did it? You got lynched anyway.

Nich claimed too, and people are still suspicious of him.

Claiming under pressure doesn't really help you unless you can confirm your alignment 100%.

With that in mind, I ask you: Why would I wait until Town was about to lynch me to claim something I can't confirm?

 

[ranmaru]

@OS: Why leave your vote on GLG when now he is Mod confirmed town? I'd rather Lynch X1/Zen as well.

@X1: Why are you going to leave your vote on OS?

I also don't mind a Luxor/Beastick lynch. He votes me for inactivity when I only see two posts from him.

I'd like to see him elaborate on his scumpicks.

@Beat: What are your scumpicks? 2-3 please. (Give brief explanations)


@GLG: Why are you voting OS? Who else do you think should go? Why or why not?



I think it was good that GLG was revived, now he can use his vote without fear of being hunted down (but now can be nk bait) but he should use his vote wisely, since he is mod confirmed town to us.

I didn't understand why Adum got removed. I was thinking earlier one that he could have told Luxor to vote randomly so Adum could call him out on it, but now I'm not sure about that.

 

[ranmaru]

Vote: X1 .

 

[giraffelasergun]

With that in mind, I ask you: Why would I wait until Town was about to lynch me to claim something I can't confirm?

1) you can confirm you are the message sender, adn you did. You just can't claim alignment.
2) Tbh your claim now looks like a "guys I'm innocent please don't look at me" and you can use it as an excuse because really it was unneeded.

@Ran: OS toward the end of last day phase said/did a lot of things I didn't agree with and I want him dead.

Same question to you about X1.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Zen, when you get in here, I'd like to hear about the plan from D1->D2 to catch someone as scum?

 

[Raziek]

1) you can confirm you are the message sender, adn you did. You just can't claim alignment.
2) Tbh your claim now looks like a "guys I'm innocent please don't look at me" and you can use it as an excuse because really it was unneeded.

@Ran: OS toward the end of last day phase said/did a lot of things I didn't agree with and I want him dead.

Same question to you about X1.

But.... I really am Town.

How would waiting to claim I was the message sender help me, exactly? Things would play out in virtually the same manner, except I'd be claiming under pressure, rather than voluntarily.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

GLG and X1 are voting X1, yeah?
X1, can you refresh us on why OS is scum?
GLG, don't answer that or answer Ran's question, since you're clear.
OS, who scum?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Stop discussing Raz' claim. People are going to phone in content and be useless if you give them an out like that.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Oh, I'm meant to be playing properly.

Nich is town because the amount of hell scum could cause by lying about those results, so much chaos and anti-town could ensue.

Raz is town because I really don't think any scum is that ****ing dumb.

Pretty much agreed with this 100%.

If Nich was scum saying he was RB'd (which just makes him look bad and draws attention to him) when he could very easily make up the results and use the fake results to really throw us off as far as having well discerned lynchpools is concerned, he'd have to be exceptionally boneheaded. Or perhaps brilliant, but I just don't see this as a scum gambit.

Raziek, sort of the same deal. His drastic change in drive in this game + his somewhat giddy and exciting demeanor just screams "yay I'm town and everyone thought I was scum but now I did a good thing and there's no way I can distract anyone anymore because I'm so obvtown now because of my good thing I did =D =D =D" to me. Basically, even though his use of his PR was sub-optimal (example of better use could have been to breadcrumb your next agent target in the game in a manner that you would explain in your previous messages to other players, and that way your agent'd targets might be able to deduce if you agent'd a scum member or indy or something if you die the day after contacting someone, etc), his intentions in coming out with it so early and his confidence in doing so (at least initially) suggests to me that he's just reckless town.

It is 100% true though that "agent" type roles can definitely be not town aligned, so I have a bit a reserve in this case but without other evidence to suggest otherwise, I'm willing to put Raz in the town pile for now.

@ GLG: Do you really think that OS was the scummiest of your D1 wagoners? Why?

 

[Beat!]

@Nich
Read my #698. It's my own case.

The reason why I mentioned other players cases against you is because I got my scum read on you from your responses to them. Very often you would say things like "I don't play like this when I'm scum, look at this other game!", which doesn't prove anything. You're also very aggressive towards everyone who thinks you're scummy. Add to that the constant hypocrisy and your inability to admit that you're wrong. I mean, "quotes or it didn't happen"??! Really?

As for "contributions", I tried my best to help the entire Day. Everything except the RVS posts was an attempt to contribute.

I want to point out that I wanted Ran lynched over you, but you were a viable target too, and I definitely considered you more scummy than GLG.


Also, while reading through the older pages, I found something I'd like you to answer:

Wow, that's an impressively long way of saying nothing. The statement "I agree with most of the cases against you and I'm not very satisfied with your responses to them.", can be said about anyone who's had a case made against them. The only thing that's remotely specific in your two paragraphs is the bit about me dodging questions.

This was your response to my #942, where I quote one of my older posts. The thing is, when I posted the old post the first time, you didn't react like that at all. You just asked me to be more specific. If you really thought the post was "an impressively long way of saying nothing", then why didn't you say that in the first place?



@Ran
Scum picks:
You
Maybe Nich
Maybe Raz

Nich being roleblocked makes sense, so I'm gonna assume he tells the truth for now. I still don't like his playstyle though.

The thing with Raz is that I don't see how sending messages could possibly help town. It would make much more sense for scum, since they could cause a lot of confusion with it. I could see it being good for town if the message sender had another ability, but Raz said he didn't. On the other hand, it seems like a weird gambit, so I don't really know.

Basically, I need another flip to get further reads. Atm you're the only one I'd like to lynch, so I want to go from there. If you're scum, I'll look at X1.

"I also don't mind a Luxor/Beastick lynch. He votes me for inactivity when I only see two posts from him."

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afaik Luxor didn't vote you, so I'm gonna assume you're talking about me. And I didn't vote you for inactivity lol.

 

[Luxor]

Yeah Ran, I voted you/Glyph because you looked scummy, not at all because of inactivity lols. I also assume you were talking about Beat.

@X1: What do you think about the votes on you?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Nich
Read my #698. It's my own case.

To summarize this for the rest of you, the post was Beatstick going over GLG's "defense = scummy" case, and basically saying he agreed with it. (Along with a few smart remarks on my response to Zen). I should mention that even Zen (my #1 detractor yesterDay), said GLG's case was bad, and that's what about 75% of his post there was agreeing with. I can debunk it bit by bit if anyone really wants me to, but for now I'll move on.

The reason why I mentioned other players cases against you is because I got my scum read on you from your responses to them. Very often you would say things like "I don't play like this when I'm scum, look at this other game!", which doesn't prove anything.

Meta is legitimate. That was half of Zen's original reason for pushing Gord, why weren't you on him for using it? Let me use a nice simple example.

Based on a large number of games, it's an established trend that Player X lurks when scum, but is always super-active when town. Therefore, based on this information, the following is the best method for dealing with Player X.

If Player X lurks, you lynch him.

If Player X is active, you don't lynch him.

You're also very aggressive towards everyone who thinks you're scummy. Add to that the constant hypocrisy and your inability to admit that you're wrong.

You know, aggressiveness is a playstyle, not a scumtell. Also, I'd like some instances of this "hypocrisy" you're talking about. I don't often admit I'm wrong until someone conclusively shows it as fact. (Else, you know, I might be RIGHT.) You spouting opinions about how I'm an idiot won't change a thing.

I mean, "quotes or it didn't happen"??! Really?

Yes, really. Else scum can claim whatever nonsense they like and get away with it.

As for "contributions", I tried my best to help the entire Day. Everything except the RVS posts was an attempt to contribute.

*sigh* More details please. Almost anyone could say the EXACT SAME THING.

I want to point out that I wanted Ran lynched over you, but you were a viable target too, and I definitely considered you more scummy than GLG.

Fair enough.

Also, while reading through the older pages, I found something I'd like you to answer:



This was your response to my #942, where I quote one of my older posts. The thing is, when I posted the old post the first time, you didn't react like that at all. You just asked me to be more specific. If you really thought the post was "an impressively long way of saying nothing", then why didn't you say that in the first place?

The fact is, I was too caught up in other stuff to notice it at the time. However, when you quoted it, it caught my eye about how it doesn't actually give concrete reasoning, and is just way too conveniently vague.

 

[Beat!]

Using meta might be good. I dunno. I'm pretty sure that self-meta doesn't prove anything though. Could you see yourself (or anyone else) saying "I don't play like this when I'm town. I've been kinda scummy during the entire game" or something like that, ever? I certainly don't. Analyzing your own posts/playstyle will only result in bias.

Regardless if you think GLG's case was bad or not, it was your RESPONSES I got my read from.

I never called you an idiot, and I don't intend to. You're hypocritical because you never answered me even though I asked you my questions several times (I guess I'll have to quote it) without getting an answer, and. then you called me out for not answering immediately.
If I quote the posts where I ask the questions, will you admit that you were wrong?

If you can't get my lynch going, who else would you consider? What do you think about Ran?

 

[Cdubs1987]

@ frozen. I really didn't think nich was scummy. However,

he'd have to be exceptionally boneheaded. Or perhaps brilliant, but I just don't see this as a scum gambit.

I disagree with this. Tell me a number he can make up to really "throw off" the town. If its a fake, I can see it perhaps getting him lynched in the future.

@ everyone, the whole "wow this would attract too much attention to him as scum so therefore he must be town" is exactly why he might claim no result.

Does anyone know if in Xiivi's games, when you are roleblocked whether or not he usually informs you that you have been role blocked?. How much sense would it really make to role block nich?

Since we established Nich was going to try to use the ability night 1, I'm not sure it makes sense to role block him. If I were mafia, I would wanna know how many indies I need to get rid of. If I were an indy, I might be slightly less concerned but still interested in how many other roles I needed out of the game.

Furthermore, regard Adum's disappearance, "has gone missing and been removed from game" sounds like abductor to me, not janitor. If a janitor role were used, would it be described as "has gone missing". I would imagine it more like "(NAME) has been murdered and reveals ???".

Back at Frozen. You say

Either way, lack of flips doesn't make me happy. I expected at least two kills in a game this size but was hoping for maybe 3. No/Quiet/Balls-less vig it seems?

This quote seems odd to me. You say no vig, but there were only two deaths. I agree that its possible Vult needed to self sacfrifice to use ability, but atm flavour does not suggest that. That being said, we don't know that Vult wasn't a vig target. There could be mafia, abductor, and vig.

Suggesting there was no vig almost implies to me that you have a killing ability. As in, if you were a serial killer, you would know where the two kills came from, one from you, and one from the mafia. With this knowledge, you would "know" there is likely no vog in the game.

The second kill could be a vig kill, vult sacrifice, or an sk kill. Yet you suggest there is no vig. Please explain why you throw out this suggestion?

As for the D1 lynch, I am very torn now. Before I was thinking we had a TvT situation, which would allow mafia to place their votes anywhere for funsies, since it wouldn't be hard to justify lynching either of them. However, in light of Nich's "LOL RB'D guys" I have some serious doubts about him. I feel that it is possible that nich is scum.

Also, Nich's sentiments at Beat

I want you to be extremely specific on why you wanted me lynched yesterday. No resorting to "I agree with X's case!", I want you to put the whole thing in your own words. Additionally, I want you to line out cases and contributions that you yourself have made that weren't just following the crowd.

This seems a little off to me. Almost like he is choosing to be aggressive now that he's "confirmed" town.

As for Raziek, I would say that his play could be a gambit, but if I remember right he is new-ish? That being saidfor him to pull this gambit it would likely have required the assistance of his scummates. Choosing OS as the person to message as part of a gambit feels weird to me. I don't think we should assume Nich or Raz clear, however I will say I find it harder to see Raz's move as a scum play than Nich's.

What are other people's thoughts on these topics?

 

[X1-12]

cdubs comment on what I said about Nich in #1160

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I disagree with this. Tell me a number he can make up to really "throw off" the town. If its a fake, I can see it perhaps getting him lynched in the future.

@ everyone, the whole "wow this would attract too much attention to him as scum so therefore he must be town" is exactly why he might claim no result.

Does anyone know if in Xiivi's games, when you are roleblocked whether or not he usually informs you that you have been role blocked?. How much sense would it really make to role block nich?

Since we established Nich was going to try to use the ability night 1, I'm not sure it makes sense to role block him. If I were mafia, I would wanna know how many indies I need to get rid of. If I were an indy, I might be slightly less concerned but still interested in how many other roles I needed out of the game.

He could have easily fake claimed "Hey guys, there were THREE scum on that last wagon!" and as a result, cause that group of people to be fixated on for the rest of the game when maybe there was only one scum on the wagon. Since Nich, if he was scum, claimed that there were 3 scum on that wagon, we'd be narrowing our lynch pool to like 7-8 people who are ALL TOWN AND NICH WOULD KNOW THIS, yet we'd me mislynching left and right because we'd be operating under the assumption that there were still scum left in that group when there really aren't. How can you not see how powerful of a fake claim Nich's role could be if he was believed?

@ Your second comment, that's pure WIFOM and you know it, and since we've already been discussing a strategy with far more strategic value if he were scum, it doesn't make much sense for him to fakeclaim roleblocked and just put himself under more scrutiny when he could claim results, get pressure off his back to prove his role, and ultimately completely mislead the town.

No idea @ whether Xiivi typically informs people of being blocked.

You last paragraph doesn't make any sense. How does roleblocking/not roleblocking nich help scum find out what indies are around? And what does an indy trying to find out what other dangerous roles exist have anything to do with RBing nich? Like I'm seriously just lost here, you'll have to rephrase.

Furthermore, regard Adum's disappearance, "has gone missing and been removed from game" sounds like abductor to me, not janitor. If a janitor role were used, would it be described as "has gone missing". I would imagine it more like "(NAME) has been murdered and reveals ???".

Back at Frozen. You say

This quote seems odd to me. You say no vig, but there were only two deaths. I agree that its possible Vult needed to self sacfrifice to use ability, but atm flavour does not suggest that. That being said, we don't know that Vult wasn't a vig target. There could be mafia, abductor, and vig.

Suggesting there was no vig almost implies to me that you have a killing ability. As in, if you were a serial killer, you would know where the two kills came from, one from you, and one from the mafia. With this knowledge, you would "know" there is likely no vog in the game.

The second kill could be a vig kill, vult sacrifice, or an sk kill. Yet you suggest there is no vig. Please explain why you throw out this suggestion?

I agree about the death flavour suggesting an abduction. I said that in my last post, but again bear in mind Xiivi could just be using standard language because as I said, in a game with reviving roles (like this one) dying is functionally the same as being abducted, since you can be brought back at any time.

But lolwtf @ me doubting we have a vig implies I have a killing role. There were two kills. Obviously we can expect one was probably a scum kill and one was an indy kill. In a game this size, that's nothing out of the ordinary. If there were a 3rd kill, then I'd probably guess either another 3rd party killer or a vig. How does any of that suggest that somehow I'm a killing role when all of this is objectively identifiable info that anyone who knows anything about game balance could figure out?

Based on the flavour we got, it seems like Vult was killed (see: "murdered") and Adum was abducted (see: "has gone missing and is removed from the game). However, since this could be standard language, it IS possible that perhaps Vult sacrificed himself and Adum was jan'd. In the second scenario, there's only ONE kill at night, which pretty much CONFIRMS that we have no vig, since last time I checked Vigs don't jan people. In both scenarios, the existence of a vig is not suggested at all, and seems incredibly unlikely. Or atleast, if there is one, he didn't do anything last night, hence why I say "quiet/ballsless".

You should know better than this dude. Did you even read my last post thoroughly? Why such a kneejerk reaction to incredibly basic NA analysis?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Hey Frozen, what's your opinion on Beatstick?

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Ranmaru

 

[Rajam]

I insist we must look at the vote flow near the 1st and 2nd deadline. I'll put a resume in a few minutes...

 

[Xiivi]

8/14|02.17.10 11:59PM EST

votee|voters
Overswarm|Rajam/giraffelasergun/X1-12/

Ranmaru|BeatStick/Zεη/

Beatstick|Nicholas1024/

X1-12|Ranmaru/

No Vote|Cdubs1987/Raziek/frozenflame751/Luxor/Red Ryu/Overswarm/Nabe/

@mod: Can the final votecount of Day 1 be displayed in the lynch scene post?

#Mod: No. However you can check the first post of this thread, under the "Players & Lists" collapse tag for a link to important posts and you will be able to see the vote count you are looking for under "Twilight 1 begins".

@mod: Am I allowed to quote the PM I sent to Overswarm, or does that constitute a violation of Rule 5?

#Mod: If you directly sent a PM to Overswarm and your role PM does not explicitly state you can, that would consistent a violation of Rule 4. Rule 5 violations would concern anything sent by the Game Moderator/Co-Moderators to you being quoted. What you send to them may be freely quoted, provided what you are sending is not something they had already sent to you. [For example, while you can quote what you send to the Game Moderator, if you sent your Role PM to the Game Moderator it would not be able to be quoted regardless as it had already been sent to you.]

 

[Xivii]

@Nabe: No...

@cdubs: not sure, I need to review.

 

[Cdubs1987]

Quick post.

@ X1, my response to your 1160 can be assumed based on my post. I don't see how he can really lie to **** things up. His claim of "RB LOL" seemed to do a good job of convincing most of the players that he is town, which is its own good reason to say "Durr hurr RB". I'm not sold on this being an argument that he is town.

I thought that his ability was to see how many anti-town were in a game, and not how many anti town were on a wagon. Am I confused?

 

[Rajam]

Vote Flow Day 1:
Jan 17th:
12:40 Rajam -> adumbrodeus
12:40 X1-12 -> Rajam
13:19 BeatStick -> Luxor
14:18 Red Ryu -> frozenflame751
15:24 Vult Redux -> Glyph
17:15 Raziek -> adumbrodeus
17:26 Gordito -> Overswarm
17:28 Zεη -> Gordito
17:38 X1-12 -> Gordito
18:11 Raziek -> unvote
18:26 Raziek -> Gordito
18:41 Nicholas1024 -> X1-12
18:43 BeatStick -> Nicholas1024
18:44 Nabe -> Gordito
19:17 Nabe -> Gordito
19:22 Glyph -> Gordito
22:57 Vult Redux -> Zεη

Jan 18th:
00:24 Zεη -> Red Ryu
07:08 BeatStick -> Luxor
08:24 Luxor -> BeatStick
09:06 Luxor -> unvote
12:33 X1-12 -> Luxor
14:06 Glyph -> BeatStick
14:22 adumbrodeus -> Luxor
14:34 X1-12 -> Overswarm
17:06 Nabe -> Luxor
18:44 adumbrodeus -> Zεη
19:03 Overswarm -> X1-12
19:48 Zεη -> adumbrodeus
20:15 Zεη -> giraffelasergun

Jan 19th:
00:30 Zεη -> Red Ryu
23:06 Cdubs1987 -> Overswarm

Jan 20th:
18:29 X1-12 -> Overswarm
20:12 BeatStick -> unvote
20:14 Zεη -> giraffelasergun
21:17 Rajam -> giraffelasergun
21:31 Zεη -> Overswarm

Jan 21st:
06:05 BeatStick -> Red Ryu
16:18 Luxor -> Vult Redux
19:34 BeatStick -> Overswarm

Jan 22nd:
00:13 Zεη -> giraffelasergun
03:09 Nabe -> Zεη
06:04 Zεη -> Overswarm
07:29 BeatStick -> unvote
11:09 giraffelasergun -> Nicholas1024
14:49 Overswarm -> unvote
17:03 giraffelasergun -> Raziek

Jan 23rd:
02:14 Rajam -> Glyph
06:50 Zεη -> Glyph
07:13 BeatStick -> Glyph
09:41 Luxor -> Glyph
13:24 X1-12 -> Overswarm
14:15 Glyph -> Glyph
16:12 Vult Redux -> giraffelasergun

Jan 24th:
00:15 Raziek -> unvote
01:36 Ranmaru -> Zεη
15:14 Red Ryu -> X1-12
18:42 Nicholas1024 -> Raziek

Jan 25th:
05:35 frozenflame751 -> Red Ryu

Jan 26th:
15:57 Rajam -> Vult Redux
18:33 Overswarm -> giraffelasergun
18:45 Ranmaru -> Nicholas1024
18:46 frozenflame751 -> Red Ryu
19:07 Raziek -> Red Ryu
19:34 BeatStick -> unvote

Jan 27th:
01:14 Zεη -> Overswarm
03:22 Zεη -> Nicholas1024
05:50 BeatStick -> Nicholas1024
10:43 giraffelasergun -> Nicholas1024
11:02 Overswarm -> giraffelasergun
12:50 adumbrodeus -> Red Ryu
12:51 Red Ryu -> Nicholas1024
19:00 Nicholas1024 -> giraffelasergun

Jan 28th:
02:29 Nabe -> Nicholas1024
08:04 Luxor -> Nicholas1024

Jan 29th:
13:55 Luxor -> Zεη
18:36 Cdubs1987 -> giraffelasergun
23:33 Rajam -> Ranmaru

Jan 30th:
09:15 Luxor -> Nicholas1024
11:41 Luxor -> giraffelasergun
12:43 Overswarm -> giraffelasergun
15:15 giraffelasergun -> giraffelasergun
17:52 giraffelasergun -> Nicholas1024
19:25 X1-12 -> Nicholas1024
22:36 Rajam -> unvote

Jan 31st:
00:13 Rajam -> Nicholas1024
00:51 Zεη -> unvote
02:58 Zεη -> Red Ryu
03:40 Zεη -> Ranmaru
04:48 Zεη -> Nicholas1024
05:44 BeatStick -> unvote
06:49 Rajam -> unvote
06:52 BeatStick -> Ranmaru
07:07 Rajam -> Ranmaru
07:08 Luxor -> Ranmaru
10:47 Raziek -> unvote
15:34 Luxor -> giraffelasergun
16:34 Nabe -> Ranmaru
19:06 BeatStick -> Nicholas1024
19:07 Rajam -> Nicholas1024
20:03 Raziek -> giraffelasergun
20:27 Ranmaru -> X1-12

Feb 1st:
03:05 Luxor -> Nicholas1024
04:35 Nabe -> Nicholas1024
06:53 frozenflame751 -> giraffelasergun
07:25 Luxor -> unvote
09:39 Rajam -> giraffelasergun
10:27 Luxor -> giraffelasergun
10:52 Rajam -> unvote
11:45 Rajam -> giraffelasergun
12:12 Red Ryu -> giraffelasergun
12:21 Overswarm -> giraffelasergun

FINAL VOTECOUNT

 

[Rajam]

Need to sleep... will post my conclusions tomorrow.

 

[Cdubs1987]

Ah, OK I see some of what is tripping me up.

So in Nich's post

I can check the town/scum ratio on the previous day's lynch at night

Guys my bad, I did not catch that he could see the town/anti town ratio ON THE LYNCH. I thought it was just of the entire town. Reading fail. This is why I was confused. This is why what I was saying doesn't make any sense.

It will be interesting to see if adum was abducted or jan'd but we'll figure that out as days go by. The only way there is a vig and no sk is if Adum was Jan'd and not abducted, unless the mafia kill was blocked. But I will agree with the current info it seems unlikely there is a "vig with balls" in the game.