Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Rajam]

@mod: Can the final votecount of Day 1 be displayed in the lynch scene post?

 

[Beat!]

Vote: Ranmaru

Still think this is the way to go.

 

[Raziek]

Ok, I have important stuff to say first thing this morning.

I'm full claiming, since I can confirm it now.

I'm Ranulf, Mercenary Agent.

Once a night, I can send an anonymous message to someone, saying anything I choose.

Last night, I sent a message to Overswarm, confirming myself as town. Overswarm, please confirm this as soon as you read the thread.

Excerpt from the message:

"I breadcrumbed my role in my post 1077, "Agent Orange". First thing on Day 2, I will be confirming myself publicly, asking you to confirm my claim that I sent a message to you."

So, yeah, there we go.

As for the night's events, I'm not sure what to think about Vult drawing possible NK aggro. Adum's disappearance suggests Janitor, so I'm more inclined to believe Nich's claim.

Nich, did you use your ability last night? If so, what were your results?

 

[Overswarm]

5) Do not quote role PMs or any other form of communication with the Game Moderator unless your role PM explicitly states you can (in which case follow the instructions in your role PM). You may paraphrase your role PM as you see fit, but keep everything in your own words.
¤You will receive an immediate modkill [pending review] upon this offense.

Well, I was going to say that I received your message but it does absolutely nothing to confirm your claim, but you just broke a rule that results in an immediate modkill if you're telling the truth. So... we'll find out when Xivii checks.

Nich, what was adumbrodeus' role?

 

[Raziek]

Whoah, hold on now. Quoting something I myself said shouldn't be something I can be modkilled for, that's a bit excessive.

Furthermore, that's regarding ROLE PMs. It says nothing about a message I sent myself, and it also refers specifically to communications with the GAME MODERATOR.

It reveals nothing I wouldn't have said otherwise. If I'm modkilled for that, that's ridiuclous.

 

[Raziek]

Furthermore, really, Overswarm? Have you EVER seen a mafia ability that lets them send random players messages?

 

[Luxor]

He didn't technically quote the role PM, he paraphrased it and copied the picture. I think Raziek did just fine, but a warning would be warranted.

So his story is true, OS?

 

[Overswarm]

Furthermore, really, Overswarm? Have you EVER seen a mafia ability that lets them send random players messages?

If it exists for town, it can exist for mafia.

I was referring to the image in your post, primarily; I've seen many people die that way before and assumed you had done the same.

 

[Raziek]

I didn't copy the picture out of the PM, I went to google and found one of Ranulf myself.

Also, Luxor:

Well, I was going to say that I received your message but it does absolutely nothing to confirm your claim,

 

[Raziek]

Google "Ranulf". It's the first one in the upper left.

I took the picture's link as proof, just hit "View Image" on the thumbnail.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEj5vu5uOs8WA5BTfomHFe6oAxKxm5PXL7kS6oRB8KKUI74Uebyg

 

[Luxor]

Raz, I got that but kind of wanted OS to say the words "Raziek is town." Just because.

You're town (for) now anyway.

 

[Overswarm]

I still don't follow how this confirms your alignment at all.

 

[Raziek]

I suppose I technically don't have any proof other than the plausibility of the claim, and the fact that you received my message.

I'd have no reason to voluntarily do this under no pressure.

Lynch me if you want, it will confirm me as town. There are far better things to do with our time, however.

 

[Luxor]

I still don't follow how this confirms your alignment at all.

Raziek says he's town
therefore Raziek is town
townies don't lie
therefore Raziek does not lie as he's town
therefore when Raziek says he's town he IS town

lolololol circuitous argument. Still, barring new evidence there's other things to do.

 

[Overswarm]

I suppose I technically don't have any proof other than the plausibility of the claim, and the fact that you received my message.

I'd have no reason to voluntarily do this under no pressure.

Lynch me if you want, it will confirm me as town. There are far better things to do with our time, however.

Who said anything about lynching you? Don't get so jumpy.

As for "no reason to voluntarily do this under no pressure", I think the whole "I'll send a message to Overswarm and then post that this confirms me as town" shows that you had a pretty good reason for doing so: appearing confirmed town.

Whether you are town or scum, you didn't believe that your claim wouldn't be substantial. So I can definitely see this as a scum move.

That said, I find it highly unlikely that any scum team woudl allow you to do this. At least one person would have to catch you doing that and say "taht's a bad move", so I'm not placing bets on you in any way right now. Just noting your alignment is in no way confirmed.

 

[Raziek]

The only reason I offered lynch (or vig) as an option is because that would TRULY confirm me, though I'd be dead. You could also cop me, but there's always the possibility of a godfather, however that wouldn't mesh with my Agent role.

There's two reasons I'm a little defensive at the moment:

1) I might be facing a possible modkill, which would be rather shameful and would certainly hurt town, if Xiivi punishes the same way Praxis does. (Day ends, Town loses their lynch)

2) I didn't expect you to claim that my role could be mafia. Can you claim a role that would fit for mafia? What good would such a role do for them? Further, if you could cite a previous game in which a similar role was employed (and was mafia), that would certainly help substantiate your argument.

I'd say Adum would vouch for me to not do something as stupid as try this as scum, since he was in Death Note Mafia. You weren't in it first hand, but you have access to it to see my play. I'm smart enough to not try that.

Rajam, my former scummate from Death Note, could also certainly vouch for me in this regard.

It may not be a full confirm, but I'd certainly like to call it a soft confirm.

 

[Raziek]

EBWOP: Didn't clarify regarding Adum. He'd vouch for me if he was here, but he isn't, which is why I offered Rajam as a substitute.

 

[X1-12]

Furthermore, really, Overswarm? Have you EVER seen a mafia ability that lets them send random players messages?

Spoilers:
Chibo had been online during that Night and could have sent an action in. I checked. So his metadata was indeed fake.
Town Agent, Mafia Spy, and Independent Messenger are all the alignments Sir Bedevere's role can take by the way. I was an Independent Messenger in Wonderland Mafia on this site and Mafia Spy is fairly common on Epic Mafia.

Such a role does exist and the mod knows it does exist.

@Raz: The whole game isn't meant to be based on you being confirmed town.



I seriously think we should have lynched Nich yesterDay, I get the feeling this whole game is going to revolve around his result from last Night and his info could lead to falsely clearing so many people.

 

[Rajam]

2) I didn't expect you to claim that my role could be mafia. Can you claim a role that would fit for mafia? What good would such a role do for them? Further, if you could cite a previous game in which a similar role was employed (and was mafia), that would certainly help substantiate your argument.

Cell, DBZ Mafia

 

[Raziek]

Wow, ok, wasn't expecting that.

Well, that's fine, I guess. It doesn't change my claim. And X1, I was in no way insinuating that the game was to revolve around me.

My playstyle revolves primarily around making educated guesses based on who's alive and confirmed, and what fits. Obviously this is probably how most people work, but this is the main reason I disliked all the Day 1 proceedings and jumping on people for random things. (Though I understand it to be a necessary evil.)

Anyway, with that said, here's our list:

1. adumbrodeus (??? Missing ???)
2. BeatStick
3. Cdubs1987
4. frozenflame751
5. Ranmaru
6. giraffelasergun (Vanilla Mercenary)
7. Luxor
8. Nabe
9. Nicholas1024 (Possibly Ike?)
10. Overswarm
11. Rajam
12. Raziek (Mercenary Agent)
13. Red Ryu
14. Vult Redux (Mercenary Reviver, DEAD)
15. X1-12
16. Zεη

What I'm attempting to do is narrow things down, and give town one less person to worry about, especially given my admittedly poor Day 1 play.

 

[Vult Redux]

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[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm willing to believe Raziek is town atm. It matches up and seems fine in retrospect of his posting behavior before we came to D2. OS has a point about how it doesn't confirm his role and he is right, however there are others I distrust far greater, Nich, X1.

Nich needs to post his results.

 

[Beat!]

Is sending messages all you can do? I don't even see how that could be helpful to town. It certainly doesn't clear you.

 

[Raziek]

That's all I can do. No other abilities at all, and I'm facing the same question you are.

When I was deciding if I wanted to claim, I asked myself, "How exactly can I help Town with this ability, and do I need to hide myself to do so?"

One option is to send my scum reads discretely to another player. This doesn't really help all that much, since there's no reason to hide scum reads.

One option is to send TOWN reads to another player. This is useful, but it doesn't really require me hiding my identity. I can use it as a one-way mason with a confirmed town, ideally a power role. Unfortunately I only have GLG as confirmed Town with me right now, and he's vanilla.

One option is to spread misinformation. This is clearly anti-town.

The last option I can think of at the moment is to attempt to confirm myself as Town, which is what I chose to do.

I gain very little by hiding myself, and my suspicious activity on Day 1 (I was just trying to survive to use my ability) would have the potential to waste town's time, and at worst, cause a mislynch.

Given the limited use of my ability, this seemed like the best choice. Nothing I can do in secret (that I can't also do publicly) would benefit Town, so I didn't really see much of a reason to stay hidden.

... I suppose I could have attempted to draw an NK to keep other power roles safe, but that hadn't really occurred to me until just now. >_<

 

[Rajam]

Nich sorry the rolefishing but could you explain your ability again?

 

[Xivii]

What I'm attempting to do is narrow things down, and give town one less person to worry about, especially given my admittedly poor Day 1 play.

Lynch me if you want, it will confirm me as town. There are far better things to do with our time, however.

Why would you say this this ^ if your goal is to narrow things down. Lynching you would render that whole clear thing useless.

You say lynching you would be the only way to confirm you as town, but the fact that we would be lynching you would be countering the whole point.

 

[Xivii]

Nich sorry the rolefishing but could you explain your ability again?

How is it role fishing if he already fully claimed? I don't understand what you're apologizing for.

 

[Raziek]

Why would you say this this ^ if your goal is to narrow things down. Lynching you would render that whole clear thing useless.

You say lynching you would be the only way to confirm you as town, but the fact that we would be lynching you would be countering the whole point.

Well, I mentioned it afterward, but it wouldn't be just a lynch that could confirm me, and I obviously don't WANT to be lynched.

The only reason I would recommend it is to get reads from those who pushed for my lynch. I don't mind death if it helps Town catch scum. Like I said though, better things to do with our time.

 

[Raziek]

EBWOP: Hopefully Nich posts soon. I'd really like to know what came up on his scan, assuming he wasn't role-blocked.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Ranmaru

 

[Overswarm]

Step at a time, Zen.

Nich, what were your results?

 

[Cdubs1987]

Zen, how do you feel about X1 and Nabe at the moment?

 

[giraffelasergun]

Oh hey guys. Vote: Overswarm.

Raziek, why did you claim?

 

[X1-12]

Vote: Overswarm

 

[X1-12]

@Raz: Why Overswarm? Also please post the full message you sent him.

 

[Overswarm]

Oh hey guys. Vote: Overswarm.

Raziek, why did you claim?

Nice OMGUS.

It was you or Nich. I trusted Nich to be town more than you. After you both claimed, I trusted him more and he was more useful to town. Now we get adumbrodeus' role, and can continue scum hunting.

 

[Rajam]

Nich can you use your anti-janitor ability during Day and use it on adumbrodeus?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Well, the night results were a disappointment for me. I got no result (whether roleblocked or something else I have no idea), AND I can't use the action again.


@Rajam
The census would have revealed the Mercenary:Non-mercenary (also known as town/antitown) ratio on the GLG lynch. The point's moot now though.

My anti-janitor ability is night-only (and also one-shot).

Now, I personally believe Raziek's claim. It COULD be an extremely gutsy mafia/indy play to try to self-clear via role, but I doubt it. It strikes me as odd that he came out and claimed without any pressure, but I don't think that's particularly anti-town.

Anyway, on a more productive note, I think we should lynch Beatstick today. He didn't really have a good reason for being on my wagon, and he's been hiding in the crowd and just bandwagoning.

@Beatstick
I want you to be extremely specific on why you wanted me lynched yesterday. No resorting to "I agree with X's case!", I want you to put the whole thing in your own words. Additionally, I want you to line out cases and contributions that you yourself have made that weren't just following the crowd.

Vote: Beatstick

 

[X1-12]

Nich is town

Raz is town, I guess



@All: Pro-tip: Next time I call GLG town, listen to me.

 

[X1-12]

Oh, I'm meant to be playing properly.

Nich is town because the amount of hell scum could cause by lying about those results, so much chaos and anti-town could ensue.

Raz is town because I really don't think any scum is that ****ing dumb.