Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Luxor]

Epic list, Rajam, but I'm not quite sure what to make of it just yet.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: No...

Wasn't optional.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Let me catch up tomorrow and I'll post more about recent events.

 

[Xivii]

Wasn't optional.

Hm? Thought you asked me a question. No anyways. What would it have to do with anything?

 

[Rajam]

@ frozen. I really didn't think nich was scummy. However,



I disagree with this. Tell me a number he can make up to really "throw off" the town. If its a fake, I can see it perhaps getting him lynched in the future.

@ everyone, the whole "wow this would attract too much attention to him as scum so therefore he must be town" is exactly why he might claim no result.

Does anyone know if in Xiivi's games, when you are roleblocked whether or not he usually informs you that you have been role blocked?. How much sense would it really make to role block nich?

Since we established Nich was going to try to use the ability night 1, I'm not sure it makes sense to role block him. If I were mafia, I would wanna know how many indies I need to get rid of. If I were an indy, I might be slightly less concerned but still interested in how many other roles I needed out of the game.

Furthermore, regard Adum's disappearance, "has gone missing and been removed from game" sounds like abductor to me, not janitor. If a janitor role were used, would it be described as "has gone missing". I would imagine it more like "(NAME) has been murdered and reveals ???".

Back at Frozen. You say

This quote seems odd to me. You say no vig, but there were only two deaths. I agree that its possible Vult needed to self sacfrifice to use ability, but atm flavour does not suggest that. That being said, we don't know that Vult wasn't a vig target. There could be mafia, abductor, and vig.

Suggesting there was no vig almost implies to me that you have a killing ability. As in, if you were a serial killer, you would know where the two kills came from, one from you, and one from the mafia. With this knowledge, you would "know" there is likely no vog in the game.

The second kill could be a vig kill, vult sacrifice, or an sk kill. Yet you suggest there is no vig. Please explain why you throw out this suggestion?

As for the D1 lynch, I am very torn now. Before I was thinking we had a TvT situation, which would allow mafia to place their votes anywhere for funsies, since it wouldn't be hard to justify lynching either of them. However, in light of Nich's "LOL RB'D guys" I have some serious doubts about him. I feel that it is possible that nich is scum.

Also, Nich's sentiments at Beat



This seems a little off to me. Almost like he is choosing to be aggressive now that he's "confirmed" town.

As for Raziek, I would say that his play could be a gambit, but if I remember right he is new-ish? That being saidfor him to pull this gambit it would likely have required the assistance of his scummates. Choosing OS as the person to message as part of a gambit feels weird to me. I don't think we should assume Nich or Raz clear, however I will say I find it harder to see Raz's move as a scum play than Nich's.

What are other people's thoughts on these topics?

I disagree. It makes sense to rblock him because Nich claim still isn't confirmed and we gain little by lynching him atm if his claim is true. Suppose no scum was on Gord's wagon, or suppose all/many scum were in it. That would be a huge info for town if Nich flips town at some point. I think the benefit for mafia rblocking Nich is a lot better than the benefit of knowing if there were indies or not on Gord's wagon. Perhaps what you said could be valid from an indy point of view, but deffinitely not mafia.

Afaik this is Raziek second game. In his first game he was scum with me and he fakeclaimed. So, this claim is a null for me. So far the only thing we know is that Raziek claimed Ranulf and claimed a whispering ability, none of which is confirmed, not even the whisper, since we still can't discard a Raziek-OS mafia combination (ie: both Raziek and OS lying). So please don't full-clear Raziek based on the claim and him being new, because he already did a fake-claim in a previous game.

 

[X1-12]

ff, how good is cdubs at mafia? Compare him to a SWF player.

 

[Overswarm]

If X1 picked up on what I did, +1 town points for X1.

 

[Raziek]

I'll whisper you tonight if you want, Rajam.

 

[Overswarm]

Any claimed power roles (no matter how silly) should be directed by GLG rather than their holder or any other town member, as GLG is confirmed town.

Assuming they are directed.

 

[Raziek]

Oh, good point.

I've no problem with that.

 

[X1-12]

Any claimed power roles (no matter how silly) should be directed by GLG rather than their holder or any other town member, as GLG is confirmed town.

Assuming they are directed.

??????????????????

 

[Raziek]

Wait, yeah, I just realized I mis-read that. You're saying GLG gets to choose WHO it goes to?

That doesn't really make much sense to me. I thought you meant I should send a message to him, since he's now confirmed town.

 

[X1-12]

Is anyone else amazed by Raziek's extreme lack of testicles?

 

[Raziek]

Is anyone else amazed by the irrelevancy of that comment?

I misread what Overswarm said. It had just been brought up that OS could be scum, assisting in a fakeclaim for my whispering ability.

Sending a message to GLG, confirmed Town, would make sense.

 

[X1-12]

Its not irrelevant when having no balls is a scumtell.

 

[Raziek]

How is it having no balls to agree to do something that makes sense?

I'll be expecting you to be harassing Luxor the wagon-jumper, if I'm getting harassed for this.

 

[X1-12]

Unvote
Vote: Raziek

1.) No genitalia
2.) Tries to deflect attention away from him.

 

[Beat!]

How is it having no balls to agree to do something that makes sense?

I'll be expecting you to be harassing Luxor the wagon-jumper, if I'm getting harassed for this.

FoS: Raziek

I don't like that post. At all. Might vote you, but I wanna hear more from Ran first.

 

[Rajam]

I'll whisper you tonight if you want, Rajam.

Whisper glg, since he is confirmed town

 

[Luxor]

How is it having no balls to agree to do something that makes sense?

I'll be expecting you to be harassing Luxor the wagon-jumper, if I'm getting harassed for this.

I start things too. See Ran/Glyph, I just wanted a lynch because we almost didn't get one.

Also you look suspicious to me, and I'm NOT just wagonjumping lol.

 

[Overswarm]

Wait, yeah, I just realized I mis-read that. You're saying GLG gets to choose WHO it goes to?

That doesn't really make much sense to me. I thought you meant I should send a message to him, since he's now confirmed town.

I'm saying GLG's voice is the only one you could really trust, so having him as part of the equation makes it impossible for scum to do anything tricky.

If GLG says to do something, you know it isn't coming from scum.

If you message GLG, then GLG can confirm you as having that ability.

So on and so forth.

 

[Overswarm]

X1, can you explain your stance on Raziek and how it doesn't also apply to others in this game?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Zen

Do you really believe the bolded to be true? Do you think that scum would kill Beatstick because you say he's (I can only assume) town? On a different note, why do you say you need him to live?

Nabe I can clear someone as town or scum by tomorrow.

I expect firm documentation of the whys and hows of that toMorrow then, Zen. As well as an actual response to what I've said; currently I feel dodged but with the firmness of your statement it's not worth getting into toDay.

This exchange is why it's important. What happened to this?

Luxor - which lynch do you actually prefer? Why do you do what people ask you? Why do you think that Nich is town? If you think he's town, why did you vote for him when Zen asked?

Luxor, I think you missed this post because of deadline. It was 783. Could you give me a response in line with your beliefs at the time when the question was posed yesterDay? And could you update the thread on what you currently think?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

GLG and X1 are voting X1, yeah?
X1, can you refresh us on why OS is scum?
GLG, don't answer that or answer Ran's question, since you're clear.
OS, who scum?

Pretty sure these were all missed.

 

[Xivii]

Nabe I don't see how that is important if you are town. I wanted beat to live because I think he is town.

 

[X1-12]

me and GLG are both voting OS.

rest later

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh lol. Good correction. Meant OS, yeah. Your vote is currently on Raz, isn't it?

Zen... what?

 

[X1-12]

me and GLG are both voting OS.

rest later

were*

now on raz yes.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Is whatever you were talking about in 172 still on track, Zen?

Yes. Just not the same person.

For reference, 172 is the post where you said someone would be cleared by toDay.

Who were you referring to here if the original person was Beatstick? Why are you now saying that you were simply trying to keep Beat alive? Why were you trying to keep Beat alive -- why were you worried he would be killed? Why do you now say you think Beat is town, when before you were waiting until D2 to be sure? You said you would clear someone, implying a plan -- did the plan succeed? Is Beat cleared? Was there ever a plan?

I will support a Zen lynch. But everybody who's currently supporting it is dragging back an issue that's already been addressed -- he's not going toDay, because he's promised content toMorrow. Supporting a Zen lynch now doesn't excuse you from acknowledging that your points have already been voiced. You're phoning in content, Nich especially, and backing it up with long angry posts. That's not going to fly.

Bolded is very important. I've been sitting on my *** waiting for you to provide content in D2. And now you're telling me it was an empty statement? What are you even telling me?

Vote: Zen

 

[Luxor]

Luxor, I think you missed this post because of deadline. It was 783. Could you give me a response in line with your beliefs at the time when the question was posed yesterDay? And could you update the thread on what you currently think?

Between Nich and GLG, I preferred GLG. Obviously a bad choice in retrospect, but whatcha gonna do. I followed "orders" because I was jumping around trying to get somebody lynched, and I felt like it might not happen. Nich is nullish to me, and as such I would have preferred Nich lynch > no lynch. He's tentatively town for me now. Although I dislike his lack of results, I don't think he's bluffing the oneshot coroner/votecounter role. Tentatively town.

Currently, Raziek is strange. He was slightly scummy on my radar before and remains so.

 

[Beat!]

Why aren't you voting him, then?

 

[Xivii]

Nabe stop role fishing, idiot. Why are you in this game? I'm not telling you **** until I need to.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Nabe

 

[X1-12]

unvote
vote; zen

 

[Luxor]

Yo Zen, you gonna respond to any of Nabe's questions and stuff yet? Why should Nabe not be trusted?

 

[Xivii]

its funny because this genuinely IS a standard tell.

So are you saying this is a scum tell for Luxor? Or do you not think it applies to him? If the latter, why? Also this doesn't matter much, but why did you emphasize "is". Emphasizing that part implies that Luxor said something previously about his post, but he didn't so I'm just not understanding the emphasis here. Can you explain? It seems like you should have emphasized "this" or "genuinely".

eh, not really tbh. I'm liking this OS vote right now. Maybe will switch later

Why did you vote for OS again? A simple quote where you explain is fine.

I suggest everyone else ask specific questions to specific players as well.

I'm not understanding your game strategy here. Why ask questions now as opposed to yesterday? And I mean the whole day, not just the last few rl days before the deadline. You ignored questions for a large part of the day, and didn't ask many of your own other than when you first started posting. So yeah what makes d2 question day and d1 do nothing day?

@OS: Why leave your vote on GLG when now he is Mod confirmed town? I'd rather Lynch X1/Zen as well.

@X1: Why are you going to leave your vote on OS?

I also don't mind a Luxor/Beastick lynch. He votes me for inactivity when I only see two posts from him.

I'd like to see him elaborate on his scumpicks.

@Beat: What are your scumpicks? 2-3 please. (Give brief explanations)


@GLG: Why are you voting OS? Who else do you think should go? Why or why not?

This really shows to me that Ranmaru is just asking question to be asking question. As has most have his questions. I get no feel that he is trying to further develop his reads or catch scum him questions.

Ran, Why did you ask glg those questions? He explained both first of all. And then you say "why or why not" after asking "who do you think should go". That doesn't make sense at all. Why would you ask "why not" after that? It doesn't seem like a genuine flow of thought to me and really makes me think you're just spouting out questions to show that you're here.

I really don't like this. Also why did you not ask me anything??

Unvote; Vote: Ranmaru

The thing with Raz is that I don't see how sending messages could possibly help town. It would make much more sense for scum, since they could cause a lot of confusion with it. I could see it being good for town if the message sender had another ability, but Raz said he didn't. On the other hand, it seems like a weird gambit, so I don't really know.

You shouldn't think someone is scum for this. Just look on wiki and you'll know his role does exist (I think it should be on there.. You shouldn't try and meta the set up and think someone is scum because you don't see how there role is pro-town. At least in this case. Because it has in fact been used as a town role.

 

[Xivii]

Yo Zen, you gonna respond to any of Nabe's questions and stuff yet? Why should Nabe not be trusted?

I responded to them near the end of d1. He liked my response and dropped his suspicion. Which is why it's off for him to be voting me now.

1. He said that he was suspicious of me not answering his questions.
2. He decides to let me live because I could clear someone.
3. He changes his mind because I continue to ignore him.
4. I answer him, he drops his suspicion.
5. He votes for me again.

I've already answered him and he's dropped his suspicion from that, so it makes no sense for him to be voting me now.

 

[Overswarm]

Will look into this game later. Busy day at work... Not liking Zen's play, but don't fully understand the last few posts as I've just been skimming. Need to re-read before thinking about anything seriously.

Will answer questions later, but short answer for you Nabe: I don't like Zen.

 

[Xivii]

Nich: The mod directly stated to you that you got no result? Also what was the command for using your action? Also did he directly state that you can't use it again? I just want to make sure.

And your other ability says you can view a dead body right? Based on the flavor that adum had gone missing and the fact that it says Adum was removed rather than murdered, do you think you can still use your ability on him?

I'm not getting why people think you can and that adum was janned rather than abducted. Also makes me suspicious of OS because he is the main one making this assumption...

Also nich this isn't true:

Based on a large number of games, it's an established trend that Player X lurks when scum, but is always super-active when town. Therefore, based on this information, the following is the best method for dealing with Player X.

If Player X lurks, you lynch him.

If Player X is active, you don't lynch him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ok here I go.

Night stuff: Nich didn't post any results which means he is either lying about his initial role or he was legitimately roleblocked, due to my initial distrust of his role I do think he is lying about his role. D1 I pointed out how he never addressed points directly and retorted to insults and witty comments. I'm not sure if I want to wait a day to see his result because I still think he is lying about his claim. For all we know he could very well be staling for time to get attention off of him and come up with a better story.

FF is correct that he very well could have just lied about results, but if he was wrong at all if we find out later, he gets an instant lynch.

Due to what is in everyone's best interest, I am willing to wait a day if no one else comes up as a stronger lynch candidate, since looking at recent posts this may very well be the case.

GLG coming back to life: Vult died is probably a reviver that works on death, like people said bringing back a VT is kinda of useless when PR roles are far better to bring back, so my assumption is a reviver that works on death rather than chosen at night. GLG is now confirmed town which is valuable to use as someone who we know is 100% town, so he is indeed trustworthy. Why scum went after him...that I'm not sure, I thought Zen or someone was gonna get it over him.

Adum vanishing: Kidnapping huh? This could be the result of scum or an indy faction nothing confirms either so at this point I will just group it as anti-town until more information can be gathered.

Raziek claim and OS's response: Like OS said this doesn't necessarily confirm his role, I will say for now I have no reason to suspect he is scum based on this, until his more recent posts, seriously his more recent posts don't add up. He seems to drop the ball on a few things such as claims and talk with others like OS.

X1 is continuing to act like scum, he is keeping things far too brief and jumped right into Zen when Zen made his post.

I don't see the hate at Zen other than him outside of ignoring a question, honestly I feel like others are far more likely to be scum.

No vote yet, still gotta ask and look.

@Zen: Do you think Nich is telling the truth?

@Luxor: Do you also think Nich is telling the truth?