Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Luxor]

'K.

Luxor such as? Also neither me or x1 is being lynched today because I can prove we are town so you are wasting our time and derailing from the best lynch we have.

Yeah me and Zen are good friends

lol.

and then stuff like

Oh yeah btw Nabe I will lynch Zen with you toMorrow.

You've been somewhat anti-Zen ever after "me and Zen are good friends," and I'm confused in any case. Zen has also totally refrained from denying that you two are masons. If you're not restricted from doing so, tell us what's going on with you two. I posted a while back that it almost seemed like you two were "suicidal lovers" (one wins if both survive, one wins if both die). I meant it as a joke, but it fits the situation almost perfectly in my eyes (Zen being non-suicidal, you being suicidal).

@Zen and X1: Explain things. Details are preferable. Zen, you say you should be copped. X1, should Zen be copped? Zen, should X1 be copped? X1, should you be copped?

/confusion

 

[X1-12]

I was thinking about fakecrumbing mason with Zen but now I realise he is scum so its a bad idea.

Zen should not be copped.

OS/Raz/Adum/FF should be copped imo

 

[Xivii]

I don't really care who is copped man. I'd really like to know Rajam's alignment, but cop isn't going to listen to me what ever I say.

 

[Overswarm]

OS/Raz/Adum/FF should be copped imo

quad cop would be such a broken role.

Those are all good cop choices for a Cop that wants to have a stronger end game. What the cop chooses is his own choice though.

 

[Beat!]

imo cop should investigate Nich.
Doc should prolly protect Nich too.

Wouldn't the best option be that they decided themselves, though?

 

[ranmaru]

Cop, I suggest you cop whoever is ambiguous and hard to read for you.

But it's still your choice.

 

[Beat!]

Ninja'd again.

 

[Xivii]

Or Raz.

 

[Overswarm]

Dear Power Roles,

please use your powers in a pro-town way that is intelligent and unambiguous in nature.

Sincerely,

Town


Now that that's over with, let's get some discussion goin'.

Who thinks what about Zen?

 

[Vult Redux]

yay.

Now, there's this new idea floating around. It's a little radical, so if you're not into the cutting edge of proTown behavior this may sound bizarre.

I call it: not telling the scum our night actions.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yes it is.

I don't think your points make Ranmaru town at all. If both our wagons were town, he could have simply been avioding being on a town lynch. Which makes more sense to me. For him to derail like that so close to the deadline is not a town action. He's paying no attention to the game.

I'll be stunned if glg is scum and Ran isn't.

However, glg flips scum: Ran and Ryu should be put aside. Along with anyone who has been pushing his lynch hard (obv).

I don't like what he did either, instead of the only two that would go through he went for X1_12. He seemed to avoid voting on the two ones who were the only ones to go through for some reason.

This and how he repsonded to not caring is making me doubt him in general.

Speaking of him, I'm not liking the inactive nature of Adum, Raziek, and Frozen Flame except for his more recent post. Raziek has been on laying pretty low recently, not really getting involved in scum hunting. Adum while he has made some quality posts, even against me, he still has been very inactive as of late. Frozen, well at least with him he has been making quality posts when he does.

I think they are all worth looking at. All three in-actives have been laying really low as of recent, more than I was before I got freed up more.

I was thinking about fakecrumbing mason with Zen but now I realise he is scum so its a bad idea.

Zen should not be copped.

OS/Raz/Adum/FF should be copped imo

Well that changed. :/

Still not sure what is going on between you two regarding being siblings or something of the sort or suicide lover and the other wanting to live. At this point based on how Zen is addressing this, I think there are not siblings if they are town. Seems like they are passing off one as being a troll and the other being normal.

I need to think about this.

Also cop, do what you want, don't listen to anyone.

 

[Overswarm]

I disagree with Frozen's "inactivity". His inactivity has been, more or less, standard across all games I've seen him in. That said, his posts have been some of the most influential in this game as well as the most informative. There are others that are posting more that are more "inactive".

 

[Nicholas1024]

Overswarm and Vult have good points. I don't think directing the PR's so specifically at this stage will do a lot of good. For example, if the PR's perfectly followed the "Doc me/Cop zen" plan going on, what's to stop scum from just killing Zen and roleblocking me?

Anyway, regarding scumhunting, my main targets for tomorrow will be Beatstick and Zen. When I asked Beatstick why he was after me, he couldn't come up with anything other than "I agree with most of the cases against you, oh and btw you never answered my questions." He's been hiding under the radar the whole day, and that needs to change tomorrow.

As far as Zen goes, one thing I just can't get over is how different his playstyle is to his previous town playstyle. His Mario kart playstyle was praised, and it was nothing like this. Why change it? On the other hand, his lurkish scum playstyle from All stars likely wouldn't work again this game, as the people from that game (me and Overswarm for starters, I forget ATM who else was in that) would call him out for doing it. Also, one thing he's mentioned multiple times (regarding meta on me) is how difficult it is for scum to imitate reckless town. I think he realized that reckless town rarely gets lynched (for example, I'm often very reckless town, and I've never been mislynched), and decided to make his scum playstyle mimic that.

 

[Overswarm]

Don't put the cart before the horse, Nich. Baby steps. Try asking him a question or making a case rather than stating the answer and building an argument that fits it.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Are you referring to my stance on Zen or Beatstick? I've stated both arguments before in this thread (not too long ago, actually)

 

[Xivii]

A doc nich, cop zen plan would be dope. do it

 

[Xivii]

doc and cop dont listen to those who are about reject this plan. just do it.

 

[X1-12]

lol


y u so troll?

 

[ranmaru]

doc and cop dont listen to those who are about reject this plan. just do it.

Zen, why shouldn't they listen to them?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

lol @ NA directin' trollin'

Yeah guys don't try to meta me based on activity, it will never ever work. My activity levels fluctuate drastically based on RL johns and # of games playing in concurrently.

I've been mega active as both town and scum and horrendously inactive (even once to the point of being modkilled, as town) as both town and scum. So yeah, don't do it. If you try and base a serious case on me off **** like that you'll just get me mad. Actually most bad meta cases on me in general will do that. Check out Newbie 3, Cello's case on me for reference material (and probably some entertaining reading =D).

 

[Nicholas1024]

A doc nich, cop zen plan would be dope. do it

I'm beginning to have a bad feeling that Zen is godfather.

@Frozenflame meta
Trust me, him being active is the exception, not the rule. (By the way, I would have voted you in newbie 3, if I had been playing. Cello was just too good there.)

 

[giraffelasergun]

Am I allowed to post still?

 

[X1-12]

yes GLG you are.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Vig red ryu/raziek/beat tonight, they're not going to be very helpful and I think at least one of them is scum.

Zen and os both need to be looked at extensively tomorrow, with maybe a little bit of luxor because his last actions were a bit scummy.

 

[Xivii]

ryu is obv town foo

raz would definitely be a great vig

 

[Raziek]

Vig'ing me would be a huge waste of town's time.

I wouldn't flip scum, and there have been very few people who have made meaningful cases or votes on me, one of whom is Nich, who has now claimed. Town would gain nothing from my death.

 

[Xivii]

Raz it's not really a waste of time because we'd be getting rid of you. You're inactive and don't contribute anything to town. You're an unknown factor that will just be a problem as the game goes on.

 

[Xivii]

I don't get why you're saying it would be a waste of time. Vig kills are beneficial for the fact that they don't take time, where as a lynch does.

 

[Vult Redux]

Who thinks what about Zen?

He makes good cases that seem like genuine scumhunting (Town motivation).

He also does silly things like feigning confidence in order to manipulate voters, giving out reads before night phase, and influencing power roles (no Town motivation).

Decisions, decisions.

 

[Xivii]

Vult don't be so much on the fence. You know very well that I'm town.

Also what do you mean about giving reads out before the night phase?

 

[Overswarm]

He doesn't agree with your use of twilight and believes it to be dangerous to Town's interests.

 

[Xivii]

What do you think, OS? wrt to reads specifically.

 

[Xivii]

Also Vult, what cases of mine do you think have been good? No one ever thinks my cases are good haha.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@Frozenflame meta
Trust me, him being active is the exception, not the rule. (By the way, I would have voted you in newbie 3, if I had been playing. Cello was just too good there.)

That's not true at all. Only for games I'm in with you is me being inactive the rule. You just have really ****ty timing in joining games with me for some reason. I'm always busy when I play with you, or in too many games.

He was good, but not 2good yo. That's why he bit the dust and I lived to tell the tale. Frozen2goodatkillin****metacases

/selflessselfplug

 

[Vult Redux]

Vult don't be so much on the fence.

I don't plan to go in-depth with my opinion now

 

[Xivii]

Cop out.

Way to not answer my questions.

 

[Raziek]

I don't get why you're saying it would be a waste of time. Vig kills are beneficial for the fact that they don't take time, where as a lynch does.

It's like throwing Agent Orange all over the face of the game.

Yes, you might hit scum, but you're far more likely to hit town in the process. And you would, if you vig me.

Vig'ing blindly on Night 1 doesn't really help town, giving the rather low likelihood of success.

I'm waiting for the flip so I can start making actual connections, based on alignment.

I prefer to make my reads based on flips and concrete evidence, rather than "he said, she said", so if I live to Day 2, you'll actually see something worthwhile.

 

[Vult Redux]

Cop out.

Way to not answer my questions.

tee hee~ ♪

 

[Overswarm]

Flip in an hour.

 

[Raziek]

What's your opinion on a Night 1 vig, OS?

Do you recommend it, or think it's a bad idea?