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giraffelasergun

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I guess I did this improperly first so Request deadline extension

@OS: The reason why I'm 'in the shadows' is a lot of times I'll read the thread and I'll have the exact same stances as my previous read and I don't want to make eighteen posts going "yeah nich's still scum blah blah blah".
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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You're right, sorry I misread (snow shoveling johns, had to get up at 7 to get my dad out of work).

Still, the reasoning applies, anyway cause I gave a similar list earlier and I think X1 is town.


As far as noncommittal, I didn't say you didn't commit to anything, I said you waited until it was SAFE. There's a difference.

This is the strongest thing you said about Zen before my post of the situation:



After you made the post which FF accused of being a parrot, you expressed some concerns, yes, but in the most wishy-washy manner imaginable, giving you the option to pick either a gord lynch or later pick up on zen. You didn't actually go after x1 until people starting pressuring him either.

When taking a stance would attract attention and be unsafe, you didn't. When there was a substantial body of suspicion behind them you did.


No Red Ryu, you can die, if the others didn't show connections better then you, you might be my top lynch target overall. For now, I'll settle.
I don't throw random votes or even vote on others unless I'm sure they are scum. It's pointless since I've been in a game where people alpha striked on VT which costed town the game when people didn't think it out.

Because of this multiple scum were able to vote into situations without really being questioned or notice as badly because the rest of town was doing the same thing to blend in.

I don't jump on bandwagons or votes right off the bat because I look and figure out if my vote is worth it, like any smart town would.

X1 was not as safe as claims on others, only reason I dropped out of that one was because Zen again made a soft claim.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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I also played really poorly in Shaq mafia but because people didn't think things through Scum was able to kill town on N2.
 

Overswarm

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I guess I did this improperly first so Request deadline extension

@OS: The reason why I'm 'in the shadows' is a lot of times I'll read the thread and I'll have the exact same stances as my previous read and I don't want to make eighteen posts going "yeah nich's still scum blah blah blah".
"I'm not hiding, I just don't want to post and let people know that my stances haven't changed despite the game progressing. Also I have no new information to give."

GLG lynch is fine by me today.
 

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That is more so a result because of my inactivity and trying to get a project finalized for the Lucario backroom, now I'm trying to fix this since I did sign up for this game and I should be posting more like OS said.

Also when did I jump on one besides Nich? I started against Zen and X1 and actually was a main one against X1.
I'm not concerned about your lack of post numbers, it's content. Notice how when I have a gap I usually post a monster addressing a number of people with a good number of stances, why couldn't you do that, or ask questions, or something? The limited posts are bad, but the fact that they're only devoted to pushing such safe cases makes it worse.

You definitely didn't start against Zen, you said safe non-committal things against Zen till I started against Zen, that doesn't count as "starting a case".

X1 too, you didn't say anything about X1 till after he revealed it was a gambit and started receiving heavy suspicion and votes.


I still don't buy it. How does Nabe's flip have an effect on X1?

X1's activity pattern and way of defending himself just reeks of scum to me. It's just "nuh uh" and then hiding. LOTS of players are playing the safe self-preservation game this time around and I don't like it.
I'll just quote:

As far as x1 being 100% town, where did I say anything to that effect? Unless you believe "leaning town with the caveat that if Nabe flips scum he's leaning scum". But as for why, X1 seems too unconcerned about what town thinks of him, his gambit obviously would draw attention to him, why would scum play it and admit it under so little pressure? Unless Nabe fed it to him as a way to "fix" a situation that they know was going downhill and they were hoping for an easy Gord lynch I see scum as unlikely for x1. At the same time if either flips scum, the other is very likely scum.


Adumb, I'd like to hear some unique stances from you as well. You've one of the players that has been doing exactly what you're accusing Red Ryu of, and I don't like it from any of you.
Uh....

Dig in, plenty of surrounding content in that post as well.

Overall reads:

Zen probably scum
Luxar probably scum
Nabe is probably scum.
X1 leans town.
Nich is probably town.
OS is leaning slightly town (wanna reread him before I give a firm opinion).
Beatstick leans town.
Rajam leans dumbtown.
giraffelasergun is probably town, possibly indy.
Everyone else is null atm.

That said, nabe-scum makes x1 leaning scum.
Luxar-scum and Zen-scum together are unlikely.

I have stances on over half the game. Need to update that list a bit granted.

Here you go:

Zen leans scum
Luxar probably scum
Nabe is probably scum.
Red Ryu is probably scum
X1 leans town.
Nich is probably town.
OS is leaning slightly town (wanna reread him before I give a firm opinion).
Beatstick leans town.
Rajam leans dumbtown.
Razeik leans town
giraffelasergun is probably town, possibly indy.
Everyone else is null atm.

That said, nabe-scum makes x1 leaning scum.
Luxar-scum and Zen-scum together are unlikely.


Rereading agenda: you, Cdubs, nich.



Also, you never responded to my post on GFG.
 

adumbrodeus

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I don't throw random votes or even vote on others unless I'm sure they are scum. It's pointless since I've been in a game where people alpha striked on VT which costed town the game when people didn't think it out.

Because of this multiple scum were able to vote into situations without really being questioned or notice as badly because the rest of town was doing the same thing to blend in.

I don't jump on bandwagons or votes right off the bat because I look and figure out if my vote is worth it, like any smart town would.

X1 was not as safe as claims on others, only reason I dropped out of that one was because Zen again made a soft claim.
Did I say you should toss random votes? Votes are not the only way to take stances and when you DID take stances it wasn't until there was support behind them. Why not just take stances, why not ask questions if you don't know about people?
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Ryu coming off mad defensive and scummy. Ryu, your next post needs to be 0% "I'm not scum" and 100% "this is who is".

GLG acting like his usual town, i.e. anti-town, so it's a useless read as always. Would see him go but by vig.

But just look at the very little contact he has made most the players. It's because scumies are being distant with eachother. Did OS even mention Nich in his big post coming into the game? Hardly anyone has been in his direction and he's been on total auto-cruise through out the day.
So it's safe to say you're looking at a connection between the two?

OS, any particular reason you seem to be avoiding a Nich lynch?
 

Overswarm

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what was your post on GLG?


As far as x1 being 100% town, where did I say anything to that effect? Unless you believe "leaning town with the caveat that if Nabe flips scum he's leaning scum". But as for why, X1 seems too unconcerned about what town thinks of him, his gambit obviously would draw attention to him, why would scum play it and admit it under so little pressure? Unless Nabe fed it to him as a way to "fix" a situation that they know was going downhill and they were hoping for an easy Gord lynch I see scum as unlikely for x1. At the same time if either flips scum, the other is very likely scum.
I still don't see this. X1 is playing like Swiss does as mafia: say you don't care and just go on about your day. I seriously think X1 is just mimicking the devil-may-care attitude that Swiss, KevinM, and others have shown.

I don't think getting caught in an obvious dumb situation and saying "it was a ruse the whole time" fits given his posts. There's very little to suggest it was actually some sort of "gambit" and even if it was it would have been a bad one.

Do you agree it's ridiculously ****ty town play if X1 is town?
 

Overswarm

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OS, any particular reason you seem to be avoiding a Nich lynch?
I feel Nich is town.


Adumbrodeus, I should have clarified: when I said "stances" I didn't mean a laundry list. I meant examples of you pushing people that others haven't. Zen has been pretty silly this game, but he has at least picked out players to push on. I just keep seeing you come in and pick up wagons other people already started, you just do it with more gusto than others have been.
 

Beat!

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K, so we have a deadline extension. No need to hurry then.

I'd like to see X1's catch-up post. Unless someone posts something super awesome before that, my vote stays on Nich.

I agree with Nabe about Ryu though. Post something valuable.

Luxor, you should play DotA instead of LoL :).
 

adumbrodeus

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I feel Nich is town.


Adumbrodeus, I should have clarified: when I said "stances" I didn't mean a laundry list. I meant examples of you pushing people that others haven't. Zen has been pretty silly this game, but he has at least picked out players to push on. I just keep seeing you come in and pick up wagons other people already started, you just do it with more gusto than others have been.
...

Zen, he was pretty much seen as obvious-town at the time. Nabe too, (IIRC). Ad Hominem fallacy btw, even if I was hypocritical in this, does this make him any less scum, especially since it's a combination of factors I'm charging him with, not just being safe in his stances.


But yea, g2g to work now. Talk more on this later.
 

ranmaru

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Oh wow ah Ran goodness. OK Ran can be town now. I don't think he would go through all that as scum. And he is playing like a better version of his SC play.

Deadline is soon? I'm still a bit behind, but where I'm at now is:
100% Town
X1

Town Pile
Ran o-o
Luxor
Beat
Rajam
Adum
Raz

Eh
FF

^Want to Live

vWant to Die

Useless Pile
Nabe

Scummies
cdubs
glg
Ryu
Vult
OS


Scum
Nich

Nabe if I'm back before the deadline, I will get to your post then and anything else addressed to me, otherwise it may have to wait until d2.

Vote: Nich
I agree with the Nich lynch.

What is this? Demanding people jump on? Well at least this is better than X1 who never really explained himself well.

X1's posts I was refering to were on pages 1-2, which was the incident I was referring to. Also during that time I was on my phone, in which I can't multiquote.

Most of my defense has been on my voting on X1, most people seem to think he is town and I'm not quite seeing this with X1 which I'll explain below.
True.

Although you said "Since people want quotes" why couldn't you explain that then? Like "Sorry I was on my phone, I'll post quotes soon"

Really? Ah, I see. I agree. I have yet to see him answer my questions. He says it was a gambit, and I asked if his gambit did well and what results it garnered. No response yet. Although now he says he is V/La. We can't pressure him while he is away.

So who else do you think is Scum, Red Ryu?

I've been on X1's case all Day. I even just now said how I preferred an X1 lynch.
He has been on you all day too. But I would rather lynch him over you. But if he flipped scum, I would want you lynched.

I guess I did this improperly first so Request deadline extension

@OS: The reason why I'm 'in the shadows' is a lot of times I'll read the thread and I'll have the exact same stances as my previous read and I don't want to make eighteen posts going "yeah nich's still scum blah blah blah".
If you have posted your stances why not just converse and ask people questions about others, so you can develop your stances a bit more.

I feel Nich is town.
Why do you feel Nich is town? I agree with you on X1 being scummy. But, if he flipped scum I would come back for you, OS.
 

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9/16|01.27.10 11:59AM EST

votee|voters
Overswarm|Cdubs1987/X1-12/

giraffelasergun|Vult Redux/Overswarm/

Zεη|Nabe/

Raziek|Nicholas1024/

Ranmaru|Luxor/

Vult Redux|Rajam/

Nicholas1024|Ranmaru/Zεη/Beatstick/Giraffelasergun/redryu

Red Ryu|frozenflame751/Raziek/adumbrodeus




Deadline Extension Request granted. deadline is now 2/1 at 11:59 AM EST
 

Overswarm

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we need to plan to get a lynch by either tomorrow or by Sunday. We won't have much activity over the weekend because we never do; let's not wait until monday.
 

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I'm staying on Nicholas. Has he responded to this at all?

I am not convinced of a Red Ryu lynch. People say he was really lurky. I want to wait for his response to my questions and see what he says about his scum picks.
 

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Hey guys its done

[collapse=Catch-up]lol. Its not done, sorry guys I'll have to do to tomorrow or something. If you want some X1Wisdom then Nabe is town, as is Nich (probably). Ranmaru is DEFINITELY town. Red Ryu/Raz are not bad lynch choices [/collapse]
 

Nicholas1024

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I'm really not happy at the way the game's going right now.

Also why Nich should be the play, read through his posts:

-He lacks any town motivation.
Have you noticed that I lack scum motivation as well? Blast it, if I were scum I'd have been tunneling on GLG/X1 the whole day to mimic the way I've played as town for the past 20 games.

-All of his "reads" are only semi-persued.
I said in one of my very first posts that I was going to make a conscious effort to try NOT to tunnel this game. So yeah, compared to my normal play they'll look like that.

-The only case he has made was on Raz. Such an easy case to make...
Says the person who pushes a deadline lynch on someone with several people hating him already (Beatstick and GLG already hated me, and Raz can easily be persuaded since I called him out as scum), who has admitted to being behind on the game, and is also by his own admission unavaiable to post for 12 hours (which is a lot at deadline) And that's not even mentioning the gord wagon you pushed for the first 20 pages. Yay hypocrisy...

-He should have been more on glg for his all his bs but instead he is playing more to the flow rather than building much of his own (other than Raz which had been gone over plenty already).
So I went too far to avoid tunneling.

-He avoids commenting on what's going on in the general mix, pops up here and to stay active.
Because frankly, I need to reread, and I lack the motivation to do it. That's a constant problem for me regardless of alignment, and one of the reasons I usually tunnel so much (pushing the same points is a lot easier than going back to find new ones.)

-He accused me of tunneling Gord and then flipped when I gave some pretty ****y reasoning (from outside perspective) and took Gord as scum like it really was a strong case until I and others dropped attention from him.
I changed my mind after looking back at the evidence and judging it for myself. Also known as avoiding tunneling. Which I said I was going to do in one of my first posts. I'm really starting to question your intelligence and your towniness. (And in before Oh-my-gosh-you-suck accusations)

Nich lynch is fine with me. Do you think enough people can be convinced of lynching him, Zen?
What exactly do you think I'm scum for again?

Ryu it should be pretty obvious why I know someone is 100% town -_-.
Because he's scum and by process of elimination? :awesome: (Semi-serious here)

But just look at the very little contact he has made most the players. It's because scumies are being distant with eachother. Did OS even mention Nich in his big post coming into the game? Hardly anyone has been in his direction and he's been on total auto-cruise through out the day.
I have solid interaction with Gord/GLG, you, X1, Raziek, and have clearly aligned myself with Overswarm.

Beat & Lux: Time is no excuse. Beat we will have enough. We need however need momentum which is why I implore you to vote now. Scum will be the ones pretending not to know if there are enough people yet saying they would be up for the lynch as you are doing now. If you are up for it, then follow through.
You're really pulling out all the stops out, aren't you?

glg and nich think eachother is scum yet they are both voting for the same person and not against eachother.
I wanted to follow up some on my Raziek case. And not following up is something that you've just attacked me for. Still though, I think GLG > Raziek as a lynch at this point, so Unvote, Vote: GLG

request deadline extension

We can get a lynch out on D1. I do not think this is a case were no lynch is a good idea, I hate jumping on like this but after re-reading Nich's posts I can see what Zen is talking about. He did keep a stance on X1, however he has been a lot easier to meld onto others ideas. He hasn't been contributing true scum hunting nor has he tried to seek out anyone that wasn't already being hammered by another person.
Yay for bandwagoning on other's cases and accusing ME of doing the exact same thing.

At least when I tried to go after X1, I went with something that was against the crowd and not other claims, since your call on X1 is a claim I'm gonna wait on X1 and see what others think of that. As for Nich.

Unvote
Vote: Nicholas1024
Against the crowd? Look, both Overswarm and I were there long before you, so quit lying.

He has a lot of the qualities I didn't like about X1, to a lesser extent. Jumping on bandwagons and contributing little to scum hunting.
Are you sure you aren't describing yourself?

I'm staying on Nicholas. Has he responded to this at all?
Again, I said in one of my first posts that I'm not available until 3:00ish on weekdays. There never was a chance for me to respond to this.

@Any other questions
Look, I'm sorry but you'll have to re-ask them.

By the way Zen, I should thank you in one way for attacking me. It's definitely given me some motivation.
 

Nicholas1024

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I just looked through Red Ryu's 25 posts (a decent amount of which are fluff, and at least a third of which were in the past 24 hours), and I think wanting him dead is justified given how he's just lurked and avoided stances aside from popular ones (anti-Zen, anti-X1, and now anti-me). However, due to his lack of connections, I think he'd make better vig fodder, and that GLG is a much better D1 lynch.
 

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Yeah I totally hated you. Truth.

Nich, I consider you scummy because I agree with most of the cases against you, and I'm not very satisfied with your responses to them. Although I must admit that I don't think Nich-Ryu are scum buddies, so if one of you flip scum, I think the other one might be town.
 

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What cases? I was relatively unquestioned before Zen came along at 2:00 this morning. I'd like you to be more specific.
 

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Would you mind if I answered that tomorrow? I'm on my phone right now, and I'm gonna go sleep soon (it's 11 30 pm here), and I could post a more thorough response tomorrow from my computer.
 

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*grabs internet access on a random comp in best buy*


Nich, you're just lashing out atm, do you think scum's on your wagon? If yes, who and why?
 

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Yeah I totally hated you. Truth.

Nich, I consider you scummy because I agree with most of the cases against you, and I'm not very satisfied with your responses to them. Although I must admit that I don't think Nich-Ryu are scum buddies, so if one of you flip scum, I think the other one might be town.
This. I'll go with either Ryu or Nich.
 

Nicholas1024

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*grabs internet access on a random comp in best buy*


Nich, you're just lashing out atm, do you think scum's on your wagon? If yes, who and why?
I'm not sure. GLG I've got as scum, but I'm not sure if the others are scum or just newbies sheeping Zen. Red Ryu is neutral leaning scum and good vig fodder. Regarding Zen, I need to think on that one. This idiot case he's pushing on me screams dumb or scum, and he's not usually dumb. The problem is that before now he'd been pretty recklessly town, IMO.

@Zen, BeatStick
Way to dodge questions and rebuttal. *slow clap*
 

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Alright guys, sorry about the inactivity johns. I will be able to keep up better than this, at some point I will fully read everything. I will definitely be able to catch up on the weekend if not later tonight.

Regarding the current situation, I really do not think nich is scum. I think arguing that Nich was defending Gord too strongly was a bit of a stretch. I haven't really gotten the recent arguments against nich? Who would be implicated if Nich came up town?

If we aren't voting OS, I would be willing to support a GLG lynch. If he comes up scum then I think we should look into beatstick. If he comes up town, I would like to push for Raziek tomorrow.

Sorry about the brevity of these posts, I will try to catch up soon.
 

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GLG, you just floated in and out of here without a word. Your vote is on Nich after Zen's case, and now there's been a rebuttal. You didn't substantiate the vote at the time; what's your current take?
At the time I was more worried of a "quick we need to get a lynch before deadline" mode but then we got a deadline extension.

Anyway, something in the way nich posts makes me want to think of him as scum right now. He has this certain way of just tearing people down without making it look like he's tearing them down. I don't know if that made sense so I'm just going to give quotes as to how it works.

I'm not sure. GLG I've got as scum, but I'm not sure if the others are scum or just newbies sheeping Zen. Red Ryu is neutral leaning scum and good vig fodder. Regarding Zen, I need to think on that one. This idiot case he's pushing on me screams dumb or scum, and he's not usually dumb. The problem is that before now he'd been pretty recklessly town, IMO.

@Zen, BeatStick
Way to dodge questions and rebuttal. *slow clap*
First bold just insults everyone but zen on his wagon, second bold just insults the case itself.
Special note how he doesn't answer questions for a few days but once other people don't do it they get sarcastic reply back.
I'm really not happy at the way the game's going right now.
Have you noticed that I lack scum motivation as well? Blast it, if I were scum I'd have been tunneling on GLG/X1 the whole day to mimic the way I've played as town for the past 20 games.
Something about the phrase itself really bothers me, especially since we are saying you are scum so you're saying were wrong because you aren't doing this.
Says the person who pushes a deadline lynch on someone with several people hating him already (Beatstick and GLG already hated me, and Raz can easily be persuaded since I called him out as scum), who has admitted to being behind on the game, and is also by his own admission unavaiable to post for 12 hours (which is a lot at deadline) And that's not even mentioning the gord wagon you pushed for the first 20 pages. Yay hypocrisy...
The tone here is really whiney and almost like saying "you're wrong I'm always wrong" and he makes himself sound like a victim here.

I changed my mind after looking back at the evidence and judging it for myself. Also known as avoiding tunneling. Which I said I was going to do in one of my first posts. I'm really starting to question your intelligence and your towniness. (And in before Oh-my-gosh-you-suck accusations)
Again, he's trying to insult his attacker and not the attack.

I wanted to follow up some on my Raziek case. And not following up is something that you've just attacked me for. Still though, I think GLG > Raziek as a lynch at this point, so Unvote, Vote: GLG
Here he changes his vote because zen mentions(and moderately attacks him for it) that his vote wasn't on it.
Yay for bandwagoning on other's cases and accusing ME of doing the exact same thing.
And here he counters one of his attacks just because.

What cases? I was relatively unquestioned before Zen came along at 2:00 this morning. I'd like you to be more specific.
Here he denies that there have been other cases made this day.

@Raziek
Okay, if you want a response to your defense, here we go.

So, for the inactivity and going with the flow accusation, you don't have any excuse except for n00b excuses regarding the latter.


So, basically you went with the flow until you got the hang of how the game was played, then became more independent.
I would like to note here, that it's obvious from his earlier posts (Stuff like "You guys are intense, Death note was really relaxed") that he hasn't gotten the hang of Dgames yet, and so going with the flow matchups up with his scum playstyle by his own admission.
At times scum will just set there and lurk instead of defending themselves because they aren't sure how to defend themselves/can't really defend themselves, and they hope by lurking the issue will fade into the background.
Kind of like what you were doing earlier?
Although that's fine and dandy, it doesn't eliminate the fact that the way you've played would work very well for scum trying to hide.
It's only your second game total, and in a significantly different environment than your first. Say what you want, but I'm still going to look for new-scum tells.
I just don't like the way this is worded.

Yikes, didn't realize deadline was tomorrow. Currently I'd like to go either GLG (still leaning scum, especially with that absolutely awful "defense = scumtell" case. Not to mention with all the discussion about his playerslot, we'd get some awesome connections on the flip.) or Raziek (see big post not too long ago.) I'll have to finish my reread over N1.
The summary of what I was getting it: The way nich posts makes me want to think he's scum because he's very sarcastic, eager to attack people/their offense(as oppose to countering their offense) and his wording in general just seems like he's trying to get anyone but him lynched all the time. His defenses just aren't legit too me. Nabe if you'd like more quotes I can provide them.

Also, I'm going re-read soon(like tomorrow) and provide fresh opinions on people.
 
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