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Vult Redux

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How come you missed these?
I've been focusing on posts that are more relevant to me.

If you want I can tell you stories (excuses) about the rough and busy days I have been having and garner your sympathy or something, but I think it's better for you to assume that there's a good reason why I haven't been keeping up as well with this game as I have my past games here.

Today is a snow day so I am using this opportunity to catch up . :)
 

Xiivi

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votee|voters
Overswarm|Cdubs1987/X1-12/

giraffelasergun|Vult Redux/

X1-12|Red Ryu/

Zεη|adumbrodeus/Nabe/

Raziek|giraffelasergun/Nicholas1024/

Ranmaru|Zεη/BeatStick/Luxor/

Vult Redux|Rajam/

No Vote|frozenflame751/Overswarm/Raziek/Ranmaru/
 

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I've been focusing on posts that are more relevant to me.

If you want I can tell you stories (excuses) about the rough and busy days I have been having and garner your sympathy or something, but I think it's better for you to assume that there's a good reason why I haven't been keeping up as well with this game as I have my past games here.

Today is a snow day so I am using this opportunity to catch up . :)
Oh, well. Who's your top lynch pick?
 

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Still not feeling a Vult lynch. Let's not get off track. We've got one day left to get a lynch.
 

giraffelasergun

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Right now I'd rather go Raziek > Nich > Beatstick.

Raziek and Nich are for reasons already stated and they're is just something about Beatstick that makes me think he's scum but I can't but my finger on it so I'll probably reread and figure that out.
 

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Two of my town reads and one of my null reads coming from one of my preferred lynches. Neat.

Where've you been, GLG?
 

Nicholas1024

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Yikes, didn't realize deadline was tomorrow. Currently I'd like to go either GLG (still leaning scum, especially with that absolutely awful "defense = scumtell" case. Not to mention with all the discussion about his playerslot, we'd get some awesome connections on the flip.) or Raziek (see big post not too long ago.) I'll have to finish my reread over N1.
 

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unvote vote: GLG

possibly willing to change that for later, unsure of activity tonight. Will post tomorrow morning though.
 

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Post a case already. Or jump on a wagon.

Your post is just an abundance of standard-ish questions. A FoS or a town read here and there, but no firm stances. Tell us who we should lynch toDay.

Also, I didn't call you dumb. I was referring to Glyph. About the Gord thing, I meant that I didn't know he was bad. I just asked you because I wouldn't think someone would still say that if they assume that person is good. (Unless you have seen him play before, that is different)

So, even though you assumed he was good, why wouldn't you look into his "goodness" and check else where before stating that you thought he had a plan?


@=
@ Ranmaru holy crap that's an obnoxiously long full thread analysis. It's kind of hard to follow though dude, the formatting is poor in places and just conceptually it doesn't always flow. Either way though, this is a huge improvement over your ragequitting previous playerslot occupant so I'm willing to give your slot some time.

I agree though that you don't really take any big stances in your posts. You offer plenty of commentary but I'm not sure what you feel strongly about, nor do I know who you think is truly scummy enough to be the play at this point in time. Deadline is tomorrow, and we really need people to give us clear, condensed stances so we can put a non-scrambled lynch together with what little time we have. Hop to it.

Are people at all down for Red Ryu or Raziek wagon?
Stances below. Also, I didn't have the time to format all that. I would usually, but no. lol. I had class too. I finished right when class started. ;-;

Yes, but when that person isn't inactive anymore, that doesn't apply anymore.


Ah, so you'd rather wait until it actually happens?


I wouldn't know why.


Mhmmm, it was. But Glyph did too. Both in the dumb category.



Hmmm, nah.



Ah, ok.

What does Zen have to do with OS/X1? Why do you ask that?


Anyone can go haha in rvs.

"it is my personal belief scum uses humor to distract from facts."

Why do you think it was a bad point?
GLG, I agree with a Nich lynch.

I want: X1, Nich, and Luxor lynched. In that order.

Zen, is null to me now. True, I would like to see Zen actually respond to my full read, because I want to see him aggro more than one person. (Lately all he has responded is lynch Ran)

I don't feel as though Zen had built a case against Glyph, though. Beatstick didn't either, only Luxor and Rajam did.

X1, because he hasn't posted much, (I still want his answers to my questions) he claimed he used a gambit early on, but I don't know if it worked or not. It's hard to believe someone when they use gambits. I can't trust him in the town because of that. I want to see more from him, and I want to see his response to my full read. (There are others who haven't answered my questions, like Zen for example)


@Zen
I think I'm convinced on gord-scum (the replacement request was really the last straw there). However, before we lynch him I want to check out X1.

Let me turn this one back around on you, X1. When has scum made big lists in early game like Gord did? After all, if it's a standard scumtell then it should happen every so often.

Out of all the things you could have gone after adum for... this really just isn't one of them. As a matter of fact, I agreed with his conclusion at the time, and saw no real problem with him posting it.



@Zen
The problem with your argument is that adum is not bad as scum. I saw him firsthand in LOTR mafia, and he blended in brilliantly. No, I think his bad play IS intentional, which means he's probably trying to avoid the NK. If anything, I'm guessing he's indy.

Anyway, what do you think of a Gord/X1/Rajam scumteam?

So, at this point you disliked Zen for going after an easy target? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't seem like a valid reason to push a lynch. Easy or hard target, if he's scummy, he's scummy. (I admit that worse players are more likely to give off scumtells regardless of alignment, but what do you suggest? Just ignoring all the scumtells bad players give?)

Anyway, you seem to be confusing Zen and X1. X1 was after him for the large list (which he claims as a gambit now), Zen was after him for completely different reasons. (Some meta, and then Gord's reaction to the pressure.)

Believe it or not, I think Overswarm is town. I mean, his reads have been lining up pretty well with mine this game, and I haven't seen anything really scummy from him. (Although, if he ends up being scum buddying me to keep me from tunneling on him, I'll hate myself for this.)

As far as X1 goes, I'm leaning scum on him, mainly because I'm leaning towards him lying as far as the gambit goes. I don't see the point of it as far as reads go (although it does explain why he was ignoring me). How he responds as far as his case on OS and stuff will likely sway me one way or the other

Nich say's OS is town because he agrees with OS.
He then says he was stuck on Gordscum! because he replaced, even though he had to replace out of all games and the internet because of life.
He then defends Zen by saying that an easy target is scummy nontheless. That was his reasoning.
He then directs attention off Zen and to X1.


-------------------

Luxor is simple. Earlier on he voted Beatstick, with no reasoning. Then, he told Adum "Noobcard". That, can't cut it folks. That seemed like Omgus, and the noobcard is looked down upon. Thing is Beatstick was gradually "noticing" his town-ness.

Unvote: Zen
Vote: Nicholas1024

Also, Luxor, since you say you are for the LAL policy, what do you think of this old quote?

[quote="Cdubs]"Guys I think we are being hasty. Something that makes me nervous, is scum loves to try to find guilt free band wagons. This is why I hate the "GETTHELURKERGETTHELURKERGETTHELURKER OMG THEYMAKEENDGAMESOBAD!!!" lets vote out a lurker day 1 or 2 strategy, because we get no information from there lynch, and no one looks bad for hopping on the wagon."[/quote]
 

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Xiivi is lame as hell for missing my vote in my big catch up post. >:-(

Vote: Red Ryu

Not opposed to GLG lynch and I'll hop on that wagon if it means we get a lynch vs. letting deadline hit.

Still think Red is a better play though.

@ Vult: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12059785&postcount=560

You can find all of a single player's posts in a thread using the advanced search function at the top right of the thread under "search this thread". Just type in their name in the "username" box after clicking advanced search and make sure it's exact and click the exact match box and voila.
 

Raziek

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I would personally support a Red Ryu, X1, or GLG lynch.

Nicholas, do you have any response to my rebuttal to your case, or are we leaving it at that?
 

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I suppose I'll hop on the Red Ryu wagon for now, no use letting my vote float around uselessly.

vote: Red Ryu
 

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Raziek, why should RR die today? Same to you FF. But I ask Raziek because he is hopping on and I don't know why he wants RR dead.

I have noticed RR not being active, though. That's all. But I'd rather have Nich then Red Ryu. He's just null, need more from him.
 

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Two of my town reads and one of my null reads coming from one of my preferred lynches. Neat.

Where've you been, GLG?
I've been here.

Can you give me a short summary on why you want me lynched? Or, you can give me a link to a post because I might have missed it.
 

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To my quick recollection, RR hasn't really even defended himself from earlier, and along with CDubs and Adumbrodeus, he's been among the lurkier group of the bunch.

I wouldn't be opposed to Nicholas either, he built a rather insubstantial case on me, and hasn't yet dealt with my rebuttal.

Do you have additional reasons for which to lynch Nicholas? I'm not opposed to switching wagons if you have a case on him.
 

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Recovering from V/LA but iirc Ran is a bad lynch. Red Ryu wouldn't be bad, I suggest we move in that direction now before deadline.
 

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Nabe, why exactly are you so set on a Zen lynch? I don't like his style, but he's done some solid hunting, and I'm currently leaning town on him.

Did you make a case on him that I missed, or do you have something else to say?
 

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Obviously not happening.

More than like half the players seem to be up for discussion right now. Is there someone everyone can agree on?
 

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Still on for GLG. I have several I'm okay with having lynched, but I feel GLG is the safest lynch and we have a lot of people commenting on him from the beginning of the game (and a few who avoided the subject). We don't have enough time to really do anything else.

While killing a complete inactive (see: CDubs) or slight inactives that give very little content or are just getting into the game (Adumbrodeus, FrozenFlame) would be cool by me, I feel GLG has the greatest chance of happening and we could learn the most from it. FF and adumbrodeus are formidable players that will easily be able to help later on, or be in the limelight for inactivity (plus FF always dies N1), so I'm against either of them being failsafe plays for the day despite their activity, especially since FF just started posting.

X1 is still my main choice, but I don't feel that will happen toDay and we need a lynch.
 

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Skimming, hopefully real post later

@ OS, I have posted some legitimate content, not tons, and no super large posts.

No sure why people want FF to ask me questions, perhaps its cause he hasn't mentioned me much in his super long posts, the reason may be more obvious but skimming for now.

@ FF, of RR, Adum and Raz, I would vote Raz.

My mind may change when I read things more thoroughly, but I still really don't like the way he voted Gord at the beginning and then, when it was pointed out that he looked scummy, he tried to equivocate the **** out of the argument.

As for Adum, a few things have confused me. People seem to think he is good at this game, but several things he has done would have caused me to conclude otherwise. Taking the breadcrumb thing seriously in post #220 kinda made me face palm a little, and I really didn't like the

You're missing a very simple point, when people are asking questions it's obvious they're fishing for reactions, telling people doesn't change that at all.
part of his post 220. That being said I wouldn't go for Adum vote atm

As for Red RYU I would agree if some one called this weak play, but I am not sure I see scum play. I see a few post in your gigantic posts about RYU, and I find myself not agreeing with some of them. If you want specifics I can explain to you later.

In general, I would still like to vote OS, but Beatstick, and GLG are also options I would agree with (in addition to Raz).

Hope to post more substantially later (I had some thoughts about Ranmaru before but have yet to post them).
 

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Raziek, your reads mostly come in line with mine.

Questions for you:

Why do you want X1 lynched specifically?

Ditto for GLG.

Ditto for Red Ryu.


Why not CDubs?

Just to clarify.
 

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Raziek, your reads mostly come in line with mine.

Questions for you:

Why do you want X1 lynched specifically?

Ditto for GLG.

Ditto for Red Ryu.


Why not CDubs?

Just to clarify.
I would personally support a Red Ryu, X1, or GLG lynch.

Nicholas, do you have any response to my rebuttal to your case, or are we leaving it at that?
To my quick recollection, RR hasn't really even defended himself from earlier, and along with CDubs and Adumbrodeus, he's been among the lurkier group of the bunch.

I wouldn't be opposed to Nicholas either, he built a rather insubstantial case on me, and hasn't yet dealt with my rebuttal.

Do you have additional reasons for which to lynch Nicholas? I'm not opposed to switching wagons if you have a case on him.
Just noting, since I didn't state it in my first post, but I did say I was also fine with a CDubs lynch. (Primarily for inactivity/lurking)

As for the rest:

X1 is the one I feel strongest on, I extremely disliked how he hopped immediately on the very first wagon to arise, and tried to buddy up Zen quite a bit. He tried to put words in Zen's mouth, who struck back at him a little. Since then, he's been almost silent. I have a feeling he's trying to avoid further conflict between himself and Zen, because that draws a lot of attention to him thanks to Zen's style of play.

(After-note: Apparently he was V/LA, so that lessens the inactivity issue some, but I still dislike the events surrounding GLG)

I feel second strongest about GLG, though not entirely to his fault. Gordito's replacement left a real bad taste in my mouth that I didn't get from Ran. (Glyph's slot) On top of that, GLG hasn't done much other than pressure my admittedly embarrassing and poor play early on.

Third would be Ryu due to inactivity, and lack of a reasonable defense under any for of questioning. Virtually no contribution or discussion.

I would really only support a CDubs lynch if we're just picking an inactive and decide not to go with Red Ryu for some reason.. He hasn't done a crapload, but I'm getting a null read from him right now. Not really much else to say here.

I disagree with a Zen lynch, and I feel Glyph's replacement was genuine, and I'm getting a town read from Ran right now.

Hope this covers it for you, OS.
 

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Will decide later on my lynch candidates, there are still some players which I have to do a re-check and form myself a better oppinion (Nich, Nabe, adumbrodeus mostly, they're all null reads to me right now)

Seems like Red Ryu is someone we all could agree; still, I'd like to convince myself if it's a good lynch option or not (case incoming later)
 

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@Raziek
Okay, if you want a response to your defense, here we go.

Onward to Nick's case on me.
I'll admit, beyond the sickness, I don't really have any excuse for my low activity level. All I can really say is that I'm trying to get a feel for how DGames does things.

It was a stupid choice, and like others have said, I should have thought for myself. Lesson learned.
So, for the inactivity and going with the flow accusation, you don't have any excuse except for n00b excuses regarding the latter.

Obviously you'll still want to hear Adum's answer, but I have no issue with discussing my play. The gist of it was, I initially made the choice of my own regard, but I was receiving tutoring from our more experienced godfather. He died Night 2, so nights 3 and 4, I relied primarily on my gut. On the early days, I went with the flow. After getting the feel of things, I handled it myself.
So, basically you went with the flow until you got the hang of how the game was played, then became more independent.

I would like to note here, that it's obvious from his earlier posts (Stuff like "You guys are intense, Death note was really relaxed") that he hasn't gotten the hang of Dgames yet, and so going with the flow matchups up with his scum playstyle by his own admission.

As for a quick summary of my Scum play in DNM:

Day 1, I coasted as a moderately active town member, primarily involved in flavor discussions. (Flavor played a heavy part in that game) Day 2, I was active pro-town, and did a good amount of "scum-hunting". Day 3 and 4 I was essentially non-existant. This was primarily a result of it being Exams + Christmas time. Day 5 I had some suspicion on me, so I came back full force (Christmas was done), made a heavy gambit on a fakeclaim, and succeeding in getting a townie lynched during LyLo, which won us the game. The fakeclaim would never have worked here in DGames, but it is what it is.
I appreciate the summary. Obviously I'll want Adumb to check it for me, but it's good to hear some meta on you.

My issue is less about post count and more about concrete evidence. I do most of my play based on what I know for sure, combined with my (apparently) skillful reading ability. Fun fact: DNM had over 1000 posts on Day 1, and we ended up lynching an indy because of a fiasco involving a lack of a sample role PM. Resulted in a "claim town's color" scenario, and he handled it badly, and died for it.
Regardless, I'd say we have loads of concrete evidence right now.

Glyph replaced out, X1 I still find scummy, and Zen I've moreso attributed to playstyle at this point. Nabe seemed to have legitimately been reaction fishing. Yes, that same reasoning could be applied, but regardless of the methodry or intent, the action was still the same.
Think what you want, but I'm not scum. Why would anyone just sit there and NOT defend themselves? I believe this came up earlier in the Gordy scenario. He could have defended himself, much like I did, but he instead brushed it off. Why would he do that?
At times scum will just set there and lurk instead of defending themselves because they aren't sure how to defend themselves/can't really defend themselves, and they hope by lurking the issue will fade into the background.
[/QUOTE]

The conversation is so far ahead of that time that the questions are now nearly irrelevant. If you still have some pressing issue, ASK ME. It's not a john, I don't want to complete derail the topic by replying to possibly obsolete questions from almost a week ago.
Fair enough.

Seems like you're the one who's skimming a bit.

You have all of those right except for Zen. I don't think Zen is scum. I think he's town, with a playstyle I dislike.
Ok.

Furthermore, almost everyone in the game has come under "various degrees of fire", so that statement is meaningless.
Alright, I'll be more specific. You were going after people that had some nice wagons on them already, to keep you from standing out.

Ever stop to think it's because they might be scummy? It does me no good to attack some random person I think is town or have a null read on, just because they haven't felt much pressure yet.
Although that's fine and dandy, it doesn't eliminate the fact that the way you've played would work very well for scum trying to hide.

Say what you want, but I'm not scum. I know how to play scum reasonably well, I was pretty much unanimously voted scum MVP of DNM. Obviously that achievement is mitigated by a lesser overall skill level, but I'm not that inexperienced at playing scum.

My mistakes out here are because I've never played as TOWN. :bee:
It's only your second game total, and in a significantly different environment than your first. Say what you want, but I'm still going to look for new-scum tells.
 

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Sorry I'm working on researching and learning match-ups for a Lucario backroom Project.

I'll try and catch up on this, promise.
 

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Nabe, why exactly are you so set on a Zen lynch? I don't like his style, but he's done some solid hunting, and I'm currently leaning town on him.

Did you make a case on him that I missed, or do you have something else to say?
Case is in 521. The gist is that he's been ignoring my questions all thread. His response in 524 was also illuminating.

I'll be honest, willing to let this go in favour of getting a lynch at deadline. But I shouldn't have to -- the lynch should be Zen and there's still 15 hours to deadline.
 

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Os why did you ignore this post??
It's called "Day 1".

Gordito comes in, **** hits the fan.
Gordito replaces out.
You come in.
You disappear immediately and post as little as possible
We call you out to post some, you post some...
then disappear until the very end where you're a target again

I dislike that chain of events.
 

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Just noting, since I didn't state it in my first post, but I did say I was also fine with a CDubs lynch. (Primarily for inactivity/lurking)

As for the rest:

X1 is the one I feel strongest on, I extremely disliked how he hopped immediately on the very first wagon to arise, and tried to buddy up Zen quite a bit. He tried to put words in Zen's mouth, who struck back at him a little. Since then, he's been almost silent. I have a feeling he's trying to avoid further conflict between himself and Zen, because that draws a lot of attention to him thanks to Zen's style of play.

(After-note: Apparently he was V/LA, so that lessens the inactivity issue some, but I still dislike the events surrounding GLG)

I feel second strongest about GLG, though not entirely to his fault. Gordito's replacement left a real bad taste in my mouth that I didn't get from Ran. (Glyph's slot) On top of that, GLG hasn't done much other than pressure my admittedly embarrassing and poor play early on.

Third would be Ryu due to inactivity, and lack of a reasonable defense under any for of questioning. Virtually no contribution or discussion.

I would really only support a CDubs lynch if we're just picking an inactive and decide not to go with Red Ryu for some reason.. He hasn't done a crapload, but I'm getting a null read from him right now. Not really much else to say here.

I disagree with a Zen lynch, and I feel Glyph's replacement was genuine, and I'm getting a town read from Ran right now.

Hope this covers it for you, OS.
It does.

More importantly, it sets you up for a fall later if you're scum. You've been giving very logical, detailed answers. To deviate from this as scum would be suicide, so I feel more confident you are town (or easily caught scum later).

This does mean you're going to need to be questioned more often.
 

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Sorry I'm working on researching and learning match-ups for a Lucario backroom Project.

I'll try and catch up on this, promise.
Zεη 95
BeatStick 81
Luxor 56
Overswarm 56
X1-12 43
Nabe 30
Nicholas1024 27
giraffelasergun 25
Rajam 24
adumbrodeus 20
Glyph 19
Cdubs1987 18
Vult Redux 18
Red Ryu 17
Ranmaru 17
Raziek 16
Gordito 12
frozenflame751 11
Xiivi 9
Jungle 1


No one in this game should be below adumbrodeus, who has been fairly inactive. People need to make a habit of posting.

Adumbrodeus, CDubs, Vult, RedRyu, Raziek, and Frozen Flame are all way low on the activity scale. (FF recently has started posting a decent amount, so I exclude him mentally from this tally).

being inactive should not be an issue for town members

All of you, start posting on a semi-regular basis at least.
 

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Reading up on the past few pages but first of all OS is a liar & scum.
@ Ran as to why I'm not voting:

My vote is a tool, not a cudgel. I don't vote for "pressure" because it doesn't do anything. I talk for pressure, then vote to seal the deal.
Because his actions were scummy. In case you didn't notice, I've kinda been on his case the whole ****ing game. I don't think I'm exactly slinging my vote around like a cudgel and instead using it like a precise tool, focusing it on an individual who has been acting in a bad light.

Which is exactly what I said.

Why the hell do you think I voted for X1? What kind of question is that? What answer are you hoping to achieve?

If you don't stop with this half-***** uber-aggressive brutish play that has no destination, I'm going to have to start ignoring you completely. Have a POINT to your questions. Don't just throw lines out and hope you catch something. That's how you get manipulated. You need a point.
Overswarm's 4th post said:
Vote: X1-12

Explain to me how it was a gambit. I don't believe it.



@Raziek

If you had to choose between GorditoBoy/GLG, X1-12, or Zen dying right now, who would you choose?
This is a direct contradiction OS made between his words and his actions. When asked about it, OS tried to put it off that I was asking a worthless question with no base. And his explanation for why he voted x1 clearly is an alteration of his original statement to Ran that "he does not vote for pressure, he talks for pressure and votes to seal the deal". OS voted x1 in his 4th post into the game. There had hardly been, if any, back and forth between them. OS did not even try to get to the bottom of x1's early play, he just assumed that x1 was lying and voted for him (sounds like a lot like pressure to me. It's funny how he accuses me of being baseless when he has been making baseless "you're lying" accusations all day.). Of course this wouldn't even be really scumny by itself. It is the fact that OS is arguing and directly claimed that he does not vote for pressure and only votes to "seal the deal". This is his first direct scum slip. Town OS wouldn't have even felt the need to explain himself in such a way to Ran in the first place. Scum OS is limiting his votes to avoid strong connections/disconnections and taking solid stances. Explaining this was neccessary and in so doing he slipped up.

-OS is contradictory.
-OS is baseless.
-OS is scum.
-OS is.

Vote: Overswarm

(May change after I read Ran's post. But I thibk OS should be lynched today.)
 

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Woah @ almost like direct parroting of Adum and like no substantiation. Mad scummy.
Direct Parrot? Well sorry about that but it really is how I've been feeling about Zen, even earlier I questioned Zen before Adum started on him. Zen's previous feeling and X1 admitting he was riding on a lynch he even said himself Zen's case was BS, yet he still rode on the lynch and tried to get others on the lynch.

Red Ryu: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12026311&postcount=346

Lots of defense and no positive matter. Still no stances to work with, a few half ***** rebuttals, and then more delay. Not even a vote to give us an idea of who he actually thinks is scummy as opposed to who he is just trying to quell and thinks is a town attacker. As a matter of fact has he even changed his vote from RVS? Nah lol it's still on me.
Pointing out X1 for the bandwagon riding scum he is isn't positive?

I didn't vote but that implied I think Zen and X1 were scummy. Before this post you made I took my vote off you, if it's about that post I made well now it's on X1 who I think is scum. At this point it is not on you and is still on X1.

Why wouldn’t you give quotes if you weren’t asked?
X1's posts I was refering to were on pages 1-2, which was the incident I was referring to. Also during that time I was on my phone, in which I can't multiquote.

Fair enough.

Red Ryu wagon then gogo.
What is this? Demanding people jump on? Well at least this is better than X1 who never really explained himself well.

To my quick recollection, RR hasn't really even defended himself from earlier, and along with CDubs and Adumbrodeus, he's been among the lurkier group of the bunch.

I wouldn't be opposed to Nicholas either, he built a rather insubstantial case on me, and hasn't yet dealt with my rebuttal.

Do you have additional reasons for which to lynch Nicholas? I'm not opposed to switching wagons if you have a case on him.
Most of my defense has been on my voting on X1, most people seem to think he is town and I'm not quite seeing this with X1 which I'll explain below.

Recovering from V/LA but iirc Ran is a bad lynch. Red Ryu wouldn't be bad, I suggest we move in that direction now before deadline.
Still jumping on and throwing votes when it benefits you only.

Why do you want X1 lynched specifically?

Ditto for Red Ryu.
He hasn't really been working on his own thoughts and jumps on others only. When he does talk he mostly keeps it to very very short one liners.

http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=4207822

He has a few cases where he posts a bit more but for the most part he just posts very short and brief, much more than most members in this game. With his posts he comment how he is jumping on others ideas.

The best response he had was this,

#427
I've already pointed out two or three times how what I did was in no way related to Zen's case, Red Ryu has pointed out that I was also on the Gordito wagon, but that doesn't mean the two things are related. Come on OS you know this stuff, correlation =/= causal relationship, I was on the Gord wagon for pressure and reads. I wanted to see who would and wouldn't vote for him. Zen was busy bull****ting some case and still I have not seen any evidence of me riding his case, as opposed to my pressure wagon coinciding with it.
Everytime he was questioned on it, he essentially said, "No your wrong" His response for this is that he was treying to get pressure and reads, how? Look at his posts on page 1-2, 50pp,

Man no-one even comments on me ****ing about...

Fortunately I've just been given a gift from the heavens, listing every player like that when there is definitely nothing to say about them is probably the stongest standard tell there is


Unvote
Vote: Gordito
Pile em on guys
Yes, doing it like that at the start of the game is what we call a "standard tell" its like just one of those traps noobs fall into when the feel inclined to post but don't know what to say. Obviously more experience players know it but don't talk about it to increase the chances someone falling into it.

Its also worth noting at this point that we shouldn't be content with just a Gboy lynch, we should look at connections, eg how Nich just totally distracted from the lynch. More scumtells.
If you post without voting gordito, I expect you to explain why you are not, despite the fact that its the most pro-town thing to do at this point. Zen is the only exception to this rule because he is a dude
Are you ****ing simple or something son?
Ok I will plain ignore you until he is dead, and upon his scum flip, you are dead.


@Adum: the fact you posted your #63 (particularly paragraph 3) makes it ok to vote Gboy now. Please do so.
Yeah Nabe I'm keen to experiment, lets go for it
He's on 4 votes. Should be more.
The only one that seemed to be what he was claiming was the one with the text I bolded. The rest are him jumping on the bandwagon and saying, "Hey guys lets jump on this and lynch him!"

This lets people jump on without needing to fully explain their votes, he seems to support super quick lynches rather than ones that work on getting people to explain themselves. He has continued to want people to do such and jump on bandwagons himself.

This is why my vote is on him.
 

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Oh, well. Who's your top lynch pick?
GLG.

Hence my vote.

#2 is Raziek.

This is a direct contradiction OS made between his words and his actions. When asked about it, OS tried to put it off that I was asking a worthless question with no base. And his explanation for why he voted x1 clearly is an alteration of his original statement to Ran that "he does not vote for pressure, he talks for pressure and votes to seal the deal". OS voted x1 in his 4th post into the game. There had hardly been, if any, back and forth between them. OS did not even try to get to the bottom of x1's early play, he just assumed that x1 was lying and voted for him (sounds like a lot like pressure to me. It's funny how he accuses me of being baseless when he has been making baseless "you're lying" accusations all day.). Of course this wouldn't even be really scumny by itself. It is the fact that OS is arguing and directly claimed that he does not vote for pressure and only votes to "seal the deal".
I don't think this is sufficient evidence.

I'll wait for OS response before I say anything beyond that.
 

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I've been on X1's case all Day. I even just now said how I preferred an X1 lynch.

That said, I didn't push it for a lynch at deadline because I'm not going to derail town from a lynch when we're 24 hours away.

What exactly do you hope to gain from coming into the thread and saying

"Hey guys, haven't read the last few pages but I think OS is scum"?

Do you think saying "oh man, OS voted X1 early" is a big deal? I still think X1 is scum. He started off scummy and has stayed that way. He jumped onto YOUR wagon, then when called on it said "lol gambit", then disappeared.

I'm also not alone in my feelings on X1; I'm not exactly a loner on this. I've also been voting for GLG for a few posts now to help town get a lynch prior to deadline, while still openly voicing my concerns for other players.


Let's even imagine for a second that you're right. Let's say I voted X1 and it was totally a superfluous vote. Didn't mean a damn thing, unvoted a second later.

...Am I scum?

How is this scummier than what X1 has done? Or what you're doing right now?


I think someone just got their feelings hurt when I took the wind out of their sails.
 
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