Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: Yes to both of those questions. You're trying to meta me with me "being on the higher ground." I don't even know htf you connect this to being scum or how I did such a thing in FF6. Show me/tell me the specific thing in that game that you're talking about because you're making no sense.

Are you intentionally misreading me? The FFVI mention wasn't "this is why you're scum", it was "this is an attitude I don't like and it reminds me of FFVI where I felt the same way". I was only curious as to whether or not you acting the leader was typical of your play in general. I did not think you were scum until you started ignoring me. I never connected it to you being scum because I've never seen your town play. Is it a tell? Probably, and I'll be treating it as one in the future since it fits in conjunction with your other scummy play.

Posts in question are 317 and 329 in FFVI.

As I said in my last post, which you completely ignored, restate what questions you want me to answer. Don't just link/quote me to a post. I want you to actually say what "questions" you have that I haven't already answered.

Ignored? I wonder what that feels like.

This should have been your own footwork and would have been made trivial by you responding to posts as they were made and addressed to you. I'm going to quote and reference other posts because my questions were posed in context.

170: Several questions. You deflect in 172 and I allow it in 174. You say you have a plan that finds scum by D2; good, and I'd accept that until toMorrow, but this is the start of your behaviour.
203: I ask you to illustrate how Gord was "defeated". You tell me in 207 that you answered this; where? You talk about some post you made for Adum; I don't see it, point it out. I ask you for quotes to illustrate how Gord's play differentiated from your idea of town Gord; you don't provide them.
240: I ask you to show quotes that illustrate Gord being timid and picky. This is a continuation of the same question in 203.
304: I ask you again about the content of Gord's posts. Specifically, why he's scum, why he's "defeated" rather than pressured; third iteration of this same question.
314: I point out 240 again, and ask you to quote X1 and I insulting people which you didn't acknowledge until 385 (after I vote you in 381 herpaderp) and you immediately retract in that post.
345: This was ignored. You make some posts between this and my vote for you, none of which address my statement. And lol, a couple of them contain statements without substantiation of any sort, surprise surprise.

After this, 381 was my vote, 385 is your acknowledging me and that brings us back to current posts. I'd like you to die toDay.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

OS, did you respond to the question at the top of my 438? If so, point me.

 

[Xivii]

I was going to come in here and say lynch ran but those really big post that look like they have a lot of content have dissuaded me from doing so. Will catch up tomorrow.

 

[Xivii]

Nabe you are so useless o:

 

[Xiivi]

9/16|01.27.10 11:59AM EST

votee|voters
Overswarm|Cdubs1987/X1-12/

giraffelasergun|Vult Redux/

X1-12|Red Ryu/

Zεη|adumbrodeus/Nabe/

Raziek|giraffelasergun/Nicholas1024/

Ranmaru|Rajam/Zεη/BeatStick/Luxor/

No Vote|frozenflame751/Overswarm/Raziek/Ranmaru/

 

[Beat!]

Ran, I was sort of expecting a case on somebody. Who do you think we should lynch? And why?

I'll get to your questions soon.

 

[Beat!]

Honestly I would think Gord would be good too, because he seemed to be around long. I guess it’s just his personality that was great. It was the first time I saw Gord playing. There was another game I saw him in, but I wasn’t in it.

I agree. I didn’t like that. But he waited until 2 minutes after. If Adum ever came up scum I’d definitely suspect Luxor because of that.

This post didn't bother me. But a quote from you later on did. Getting to it in a while.


Ok.
If he has, why did you state it then? It would be useless if he did already.
If you want nich to answer you, pester him to answer those questions. Same with OS, ask for the stances.
Hmmm, I hadn’t seen much posts from Adum.


I think you misunderstood me. I was commenting the fact that Luxor was being hypocritical.

Nich has told me he will answer me.
OS mentioned my question in a sort of rude answer.


Did he ever get back to you with a full post? Why do you think he didn’t?


He posted a large post shortly after, at the time that was good enough for me.


Do you think Forget Beatstick would automatically clear you as town in his eyes?

Do you believe he can’t be convinced by that one post? Why not?


1. I think his wording was weird, but he's already explained that he meant "BeatStick wagon can wait".

2. Of course he can. I was talking about how he went "Forget BeatStick" because of a post that wasn't related to me.



Ok, first of all, why did you think he was a good player? I never played with Gord before, but I wouldn’t think that he is good since no one has really told me about his play. I also wouldn’t know he was bad either.

But again, why did you think he was good?

This is what I don't understand. In the other post, you agreed with me, and said you also thought Gord were a good player. How did this change to "I don't know if he's good, and you haven't explained why you would think so" without anything happening in between? I said why. It was even the same reasoning you used (he seems to have been around for long).


If OS ever flipped scum, lynch X1. They have been attacking each other from the start. (I think X1 started it tho, so it should be on him)


? If OS flips scum, we're supposed to lynch X1 for pushing it? Of course there's a possibility that he's trying a bus, but you're not even considering that he might be town with a scum read. Weird post.






Glyph Beastick case:
Not my case broski. Beatstick isn’t scummy to me. Just dumb like Luxor.

Cool, so I'm "dumb". That came out of nowhere. I guess that means Mr "Smart" will soon tell us who to lynch?



You are wagoning.

So it would seem.

Post a case already. Or jump on a wagon.

Your post is just an abundance of standard-ish questions. A FoS or a town read here and there, but no firm stances. Tell us who we should lynch toDay.

 

[Beat!]

Oh, and answers are bolded.

 

[Luxor]

Really? Why is inactivity a scumtell?

It's sorta null, but the conventional wisdom of "lynch all lurkers" defintely has some truth in it. You can't let scum win by doing nothing.

So would you still condone a Glyph/Me lynch if it was possible I flipped town? Why or why not?

If you flipped town, I would gladly travel back in time to prevent your lynch.

Also, how do you think Vult could see that question from being offline and then magically appear online? (Basically, that question was useless)

I'm not sure how you meant this, but it makes me want to facepalm. Leaving a paper trail to follow is good, sharing emotions is good, why wouldn't he say that? Nitpickiest thing I ever saw.

I think that was a weak reason for him to vote.

Why do you think he said that?

I think that was really stupid wagoning. Very weak stance.

I agree, Raziek looks scummy. The "when in Rome" post was a stupid thing to say whether he's scum or not.

What made you consider Glyph less scummy now? What made you re-consider him for being a viable lynch toDay?

I would prefer Vult gone but I want to get some utility out of my vote. On you the vote does something.

So you say OS is experienced and hard to read, but you say he is town from his first post? What do you think of his posts after his first post? You say they don’t reveal a whole lot? That would mean he would be null then.

His first post is well-informed, well-thought out, and factual. Factual = good. His later posts haven't been based on facts or arguments, and he looks a little bit scummier to me everyday.

If OS ever flipped scum, lynch X1. They have been attacking each other from the start. (I think X1 started it tho, so it should be on him)

By that logic, why not Zen?

Glyphs HAHAHA and flavor talk:

So do you think scum have an urge to go “hahaha” in RVS? Near the end before he replaced out, had Glyph said HAHAHA to something serious?

I think it wasn’t a bad topic in RVS, in Fireemblem. Fire Emblem has a lot of characters, so it would be interesting to talk about possible flavor options and discussion, which could lead town out of RVS and into serious discussion (even though Glyph didn’t post much due to inactivity)

Do scum go haha in RVS? Yep. It's cuz they're nervous. /halfjokebutonlyhalf

Important Zen note:

I don’t know why he would ignore gord’s apparent scumminess, but why would you [Zen] think he is ignoring his scumminess and not disagreeing with it? Gord didn’t seem obv scummy with a picture.

IDK, pictures are kinda scummy IMHO. The pictures are almost always humorous, and it is my personal belief scum uses humor to distract from facts. See X1's "hammer now" pictures in SC. How did he flip, again?
Note I'm not passing judgement on Gord/GLG, haven't analyzed them enough yet.

“The What. Where? is addressed to Zen.” Yet you never say that it could also be Glyph asking Zen for proof of him ignoring Gord.

That's a terrible way to explain away that point. Terrible. Terrible.

Glyph’s Wagon, hop on:

It was dumb. Not scummy, just very dumb. But I could see very clearly why he would be called out as scum for this. Would you lynch him solely for this?

Vult connection2:
Remember, it was Vult who actually claimed he was Glyphs stalker. Do you think there is a possibility Vult was attacking Glyph to seem like he is bussing early in your eyes?

Vult/Glyph scum, as I have said before, is most likely in my eyes.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@ Beatstick: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12052808&postcount=505

I wasn't really expecting a specific answer, its just that your answer was so cut and dry that I didn't really get much out of it. Just a really basic, one step response.

Recall that when I made my first big post, I had only read the first 4 pages (40 ppp), so when I said "required further investigation" that's literally all I meant. At that point in the game, they had done some questionable stuff and as such I noted them and was going to scrutinize them while I continued reading. Of the original 4, now I really only want to see Red Ryu or Raziek go. Adum was added later to the playlist because of questionable play that arose after the 4 page mark, so I'm not sure why you think it's strange for me to find him more suspicious than Luxor and Ran/Glyph if their later play improved compared to earlier play and adum's was worse.

After Ran's full read through, do you still think that that player slot is scum?

@ OS: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12051339&postcount=501

Why must you paint big angry targets on the backs of my town reads...

He's really aggro and it seems consistent with his town play in SC mafia. Willing to put him on the town list for now. Flips of people he is aggroing would be useful for solidifying the read but either way, keeping him around isn't a bad thing. Super aggro townies (so long as they don't tunnel like crazy) are good to keep around because they just put a lot of pressure on people, and scum hate it when attention gets drawn to them because of irrational pressure. As long as we don't completely sell ourselves to Zens reads (doesn't seem like we're having an issue with that), then his aggro-ness is probably going to help us more than hurt.

@ Rajam: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12051456&postcount=502

My lack of interaction with Cdubs is mostly my fault due to my lack of activity toDay, so obviously we haven't had much chance to interact even if we wanted to. Again, though we may have strong reads on one another in IRL mafia, that doesn't necessarily translate to being able to read each other here, though we do have a pretty good concept of how each other think and reason things through. I haven't commented on him at all because frankly nothing he's said or done seems particularly off or scummy thus far, so I'm willing to let him keep doing his think until he does something to convince me otherwise.

Fine @ the Raziek read.

@ Ranmaru holy crap that's an obnoxiously long full thread analysis. It's kind of hard to follow though dude, the formatting is poor in places and just conceptually it doesn't always flow. Either way though, this is a huge improvement over your ragequitting previous playerslot occupant so I'm willing to give your slot some time.

I agree though that you don't really take any big stances in your posts. You offer plenty of commentary but I'm not sure what you feel strongly about, nor do I know who you think is truly scummy enough to be the play at this point in time. Deadline is tomorrow, and we really need people to give us clear, condensed stances so we can put a non-scrambled lynch together with what little time we have. Hop to it.

Are people at all down for Red Ryu or Raziek wagon?

 

[Beat!]

Ran has yet to make a proper response to the case against Glyph. I'm gonna consider him scummy until he posts a response I'm comfortable with. And like I said, I also want him to post his own case/stance.

I haven't re-read yet, so I've yet to decide who I would like to see lynched the most out of those three.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

What case against Glyph are you talking about?

Like seriously I don't even think Glyph did enough to have a case against him. He was pretty much just scummy for not doing anything constructive ever or taking any stances. He looked bad for not doing things, not because he necessarily did overtly scummy things IMO.

Bearing that in mind, since Ranmaru is looking like he will do the things that Glyph was criticized for not doing, that by itself is kind of a "proper response" to the case against Glyph.

Unless of course you have more specific criticisms of Glyph or something that I somehow missed. Asking a replacement to explain away the old player's bad decisions though is always kind of pointless and null though. There's no way for them to know what the other guy was thinking at the time. =/

 

[Luxor]

I would also like a more thorough, dedicated response from Ran.

 

[Luxor]

ninja'd man

 

[Beat!]

@FF
Post #407
Glyphs response was basically "lolol im town btw im replacing"

Ran has not made any attempts to respond to this yet.

Though I can understand that Ran can't explain scummy posts by Glyph, but they are still there. I can't pretend like it never happened.

Ran can prove his townyness by posting a proper case against someone. If he does that, I will consider it from a null viewpoint.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Fair enough.

Luxor, I think when you say more thorough, dedicated response you mean a more concise, clear, and pointed response right?

I mean his last posts were pretty thorough and broad/comprehensive, but I don't think more of those are gonna help us figure out what Ran's all about. =/

 

[Luxor]

Precisely. I want Ran to say

"I am town because of X, Y, and Z, with X, Y, and Z being either quotes or points."

So that then I can say XYZ is invalid. Or something.

 

[Overswarm]

Why must you paint big angry targets on the backs of my town reads...

Who you avoid makes me nervous. You're one of the players I watch carefully.

I really like Raziek so far. I don't think he's playing particularly well, but ihs logic has been consistent and easliy predictable. Any offstep in the future would be more than obvious to me, so I feel safe with him. Red Ryu hasn't done too much, but he's in a boat with several others so doesn't really stand out. Cdubs and adumbrodeus especially.

I still don't like X1, and I'm not really feeling adumbrodeus at the moment. He's not posted enough for me to really get a read on him, which is a negative thing for me.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Fair enough.

Red Ryu wagon then gogo.

 

[Overswarm]

Then gogo what?

I'm still awaiting adumbrodeus activity in this game especially, as well as actual content from CDubs. I too dislike how you two have avoided each other.

As a matter of fact, why don't you ask CDubs a question or two?

 

[Luxor]

Only one day left in the Day. Whoever we lynch, we need to lynch.

 

[Overswarm]

So there is. Ran has 4 votes on him and is closest to be lynched, but I do not feel he is particularly scummy.

Wouldn't mind a GLG lynch. He kinda fell off the face of the planet after all that pressure. Would like an X1 lynch. If I had to pick a shadowy player to lynch I'd pick CDubs.

 

[Rajam]

I wouldn't mind lynching Vult

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@ OS: I should have wrote "Red Ryu wagon then, gogo" as in lets get going on a Red Ryu wagon.

lol I'm not avoiding Cdubs at all, he just hasn't had much to say to me because of my inactivity and I haven't had anything to really ask him.

People I don't talk to a lot really do make you nervous it seems. =/

@ Cdubs: Out of Red Ryu, Adum, and Raziek who's the best D1 play?

Do you think Ranmaru should be responsible for explaining away Glyph's embarrassingly bad play?

Of Ranmaru's wagoners, who is the scummiest?

Also kind of agreed @ OS that GLG's recent non-contribution isn't cool considering his prior circumstances.

 

[Beat!]

So the suggestions are:
Ran
GLG
Vult
Raz
Ryu
Adum

Did I miss someone?

Anyway, who is looking like the best lynch toDay?

 

[Overswarm]

I wouldn't mind lynching Vult

That came out of nowhere. Explain later.

No vult for today though.

 

[Luxor]

Everyone post a list of who you'd like lynched in order and we'll systematically figure out who to lynch lol.

Ran > Vult > other guys imo

 

[Overswarm]

I find it interesting that Ran's wagon is like.... Zen + new guys.

 

[Beat!]

Good for you, OS.
Anyway, I've re-read, and I would support a Raz lynch as well.

So my list is:
Lynches I will support completely- Ran, Raz
Lynches I can agree with - Ryu, adum, Vult
Lynches I disagree with - GLG

 

[Overswarm]

Why are people still okay with GLG living? He hasn't said anything after all that pressure in the beginning of the Day.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Lynch Zen.

 

[Vult Redux]

Vult you totally ignored my case on Glyph in which I practically accused you of being his scum partner. How is it that hasn't been a commentary or a response from you at all?

FoS: Vult Redux

I'm not informed enough on Glyph to respond.

Your usage of RVS posts to make connections between him and me look improvised. Bussing in RVS is not meaningful; any competent scum-aligned player knows that. You're just trying to make your case look bigger.

 

[Vult Redux]

Lynches I disagree with - GLG

Share reasons, please?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

What.

"I'm not informed enough on Glyph to respond."
=> "I haven't been reading this game."

You need to be vigshot.

 

[Beat!]

I've said that I think he's town the entire day. I still believe that. I've explained why I think so too. If you really want I can post some quotes, but you should already know my stance.

 

[Beat!]

That was @Vult

 

[Vult Redux]

I've said that I think he's town the entire day. I still believe that. I've explained why I think so too. If you really want I can post some quotes, but you should already know my stance.

I'd appreciate it a lot.

 

[Rajam]

I'm not informed enough on Glyph to respond.

Your usage of RVS posts to make connections between him and me look improvised. Bussing in RVS is not meaningful; any competent scum-aligned player knows that. You're just trying to make your case look bigger.

You read the thing about the RVS connections I put which is in the SAME post I made the case against Glyph, and you say you're not informed about him??

You've been avoiding the Glyph issue all the game

unvote
vote: Vult Redux

 

[Beat!]

I think GLG is town. Mostly because I agree with his case against Nich, but I also think Gord was primarily trying to bait scum with his weird posts in the beginning.

@Nicholas
Basically, I think he was doing the same thing x1/zen did; baiting scum slips. By looking at who joins the wagon, and how much reasoning they provide, he can get a lot of reads. However, he requested replacement very early, before he was able to get anything out of it, and by the time glg entered the game, it was kinda too late to continue with it, since RVS was over and everyone had started to put more thought into their actions. GLG has since, by the looks of it, tried to contribute.

Just because I think glg's town doesn't mean that I think you're town for defending him. Actually, I think you only defended him because you were aggroing x1, who happened to be targeting gord.

I don't have an established meta on Gord. I don't know him (or anyone else here). I had seen him in a few games, and he's an established player on DGames from what I've gathered. Therefore I assumed he had a plan with the way he posted, because like I said, some posts were really weird, and I couldn't imagine a good player giving himself away so easily.
And I had no idea he was a "silly kid", or that he's done that sort of stuff before. So yes, I thought he was baiting reactions.

Here's a few posts.

How come you missed these?

 

[Vult Redux]

I read that part just now and responded to the more relevant part, because I didn't read the post before.

Is there a way to isolate the thread into one player's post like on MS.net?

You can't say that I've been avoiding Glyph when I don't have developed reads on 50% of the players here.