Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Raziek]

Ok, majorly sorry I've been gone so long guys, I got hella sick over the weekend. I'll spare you the details, but I've barely been conscious for the better part of two days. I'm going to do my best to get caught up and back in the game ASAP, I'm reading what I've missed now.

 

[Rajam]

Double post!

Rajam please reply to the rest of my 315.

Right now my other strong scum suspect is raziek, and rajam would be next. I would be okay with dying for reads, but I'd rather help town vocally then with the reads you might gain with my death.

Zen, I'll reread tomorrow and I'll have to check the manner in which x1 and nabe defended me to give you an answer on if they are scum based off of how they did it.


So basically you don't have any experience with gord meta is what you're saying? How does saying adumb is town relate to being wishy washy? And if gord is scum, why would his public opinion influence adum's death if gord already knows he thinks adum is town it won't have any affect on him being night killed by gord.



Quick question, if I get lynched and I flip town, what alignment would it put these three?
If I get lynched and I were to flip scum, what alignment would these three be?

If Gord/glg flips town or indy, X1 would be my main suspect, the "gambit" thing would lose a lot of credibility. Raziek, who iirc is still keeping a vote on him with the "when in Rome, do as romans do" excuse and the "going with the flow". Glyph should be looked too, his vote on 79 would look wagon-jumping. OS and Zen would lose some town points as well.

If he flips mafia, then we'd have to analyze his questions on 29 and see which ones look like a bus. I'd say serious questions which don't demand much work are probably a bus. In that regard probably his scummates would be BeatStick, Vult Redux. Glyph would gain town points due to his 79, which doesn't seem like a bus at all. Nich's 70 probably indicates both glg and Nich can't be mafia, same with Raziek & glg due to 109. Probably adumb wouldn't be mafia due to his 96, but that's not a really strong disconnection. OS, X1 and Zen would be insta-no-mafia.

Since the last question is already answered here I guess you're talking about your 1st question:

I've played one game with Gord before, and most of the game while Gord was alive I was kinda inactive. Gord was scum that game and was very wishy washy. If anything this only reinforces Gord is likely scum, trying to immediatly put a relative powerful player as adumb on town side thus putting him in high risk of being nkilled.

unvote
vote: Gordito/glg

Lynching Gord/glg would give us a lot of reads on Zen, X1, adumbrodeus, among other players. But I'm not voting Gord just for reads, that's just a plus, I honestly think he acted quite scummy in RVS

Red Ryu you pretty much ignored all this discussion on Gordito, If you haven't already I'd like to hear your take on his attitude on RVS and Zen's accusations

I guess I wrote this in a wrong way. The bolded blue part was refering to the quote I put at the beginning:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12022104&postcount=311

So it should read like this:

I've played one game with Gord before, and most of the game while Gord was alive I was kinda inactive. Gord was scum that game and was very wishy washy.

/end of my commentary about my "meta" on Gord

Now the "this" as I said was making reference to the quote, so that part should read:

If anything what I'm quoting only reinforces Gord is likely scum, trying to immediatly put a relative powerful player as adumb on town side thus putting him in high risk of being nkilled.

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Sorry about that confusion

Finally, I've always heard that saying who you think is town is kinda dangerous and scummy and shouldn't be done. I used to do that very often in other games and people were saying I shouldn't do that because it only makes it easier to scum to know who is being perceived as strongly town by other townies, and also because I guess is something scum does (since they know who isn't mafia) to try to buddy with townies and have an easier time around

 

[Overswarm]

Did X1 claim it was a gambit and/or that he was merely voting Gord to get reads prior to someone giving him that idea?

 

[adumbrodeus]

adumbrodeus and Raziek have been prodded.

17) A) You are expected to maintain a healthy level of activity in this game. If you have pre-planned absence, then please notify the game mod ahead of time and you will not be prodded. However if your absence is for an unreasonable amount of time, you may be forcibly replaced regardless of advance notification.
17) B) You will receive a prod every sixty hour period you do not post without note of V/LA.
17) C) If you go for a period of seven days without posting or acknowledging prods, you will be replaced or modkilled at the Game Moderator's discretion.
17) D) The seven day grace period will be shortened by one day, to a minimum of three days, for every two prods you receive.

Hmmmm...

Also, temporary V/LA, sorry folks.

Why was I prodded again?




Anyways, catch-up post upcoming, stay tuned.

 

[Raziek]

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Ok, I'm caught up on the reading, albeit I had to do a bit of skimming. Problem I have now is I'm not sure where to jump in. If anyone has questions for me they still want answered, quote them or ask again, please. Meanwhile, I'm just going to give my base impressions of what's going on right now:

On the Glyph case - I think that Glyph is probably town. I haven't looked into his claim of being in two other games, but if that's true, then being over-whelmed is quite likely. I dislike the self-vote, since that doesn't help anyone, but I can see that as a means of expressing his seriousness as town. There's a slim possibility it was a gambit, but with the replacement out, I highly doubt it.

Gordito(GLG)/X1/Zen shenanigans - I certainly dislike Gordito replacing out, especially since (IIRC), he didn't really provide a reason why. I'm not sure if I 100% believe he's scum though.

One thing that really doesn't sit well with me is Zen's playstyle. Hyper-aggressive town is a strange way to play. Yes, town needs to play aggressively, or scum can coast. But at the same time, lashing out at everyone around you doesn't make you any friends, and it certainly doesn't make me feel comfortable with lesser founded cases based on meta-gaming.

Aggressive town works, but angry town doesn't, IMO. I believe this is probably what was meant by you playing like Cello Marl? (I believe it was Overswarm who mentioned this.)

On that further note, I'm getting mixed signals on the X1/Zen pair. X1 was pretty quick to hop on Zen's coat-tails, but now that Zen is trying to speak FOR him (X1's 418 and 419), it's created some stress.

I mentioned it earlier on, but I really don't like how X1 was so quick to ride on a case that Zen created. With that in mind, I feel like Zen is probably town, and his playstyle just grates on me. I feel like X1 might be scum trying to ride the case behind him.

Addressing my vote on Gordito: Honestly, it was mostly because I felt pretty intimidated. X1 comes out and says "If you don't vote Gordito, you better have a reason", and I don't really feel like dying, since that'd hurt town. I just put the vote on to avoid possible X1 rage, but apparently that's not quite that simple around here.

Anyway, that's all I've got for the moment. Again, sorry I've been gone so long, hopefully I can get my head back in the game completely.

 

[Overswarm]

I dislike the self-vote, since that doesn't help anyone, but I can see that as a means of expressing his seriousness as town.

*narrows eyes*

Must remember you are new.

I mentioned it earlier on, but I really don't like how X1 was so quick to ride on a case that Zen created. With that in mind, I feel like Zen is probably town, and his playstyle just grates on me. I feel like X1 might be scum trying to ride the case behind him.

And smart. :B

Addressing my vote on Gordito: Honestly, it was mostly because I felt pretty intimidated. X1 comes out and says "If you don't vote Gordito, you better have a reason", and I don't really feel like dying, since that'd hurt town. I just put the vote on to avoid possible X1 rage, but apparently that's not quite that simple around here.

Think for yourself.

I'm still not sold on Gordito being Town. GLG now.


GLG, what do you think of X1?

Do you think X1 was riding on Zen's aggression?

Do you think X1 actually was consciously pulling a gambit of "I'll pretend I'm against Gordito when I'm not to see who goes for it"?

 

[ranmaru]

Re-read up to pg 5. Next re-read up to pg 10 tommorow.

Ohhhh, I have a feeling your original question meant to ask me one thing for town and one for scum, instead of two for town. From what I've seen as scum, its a good idea to hit a moderate amount of posts. Not excessive, but enough to let people know you're there and "contributing"

I noticed this. This is true. Yet Glyph still answered just for town read. Dumb on his part.

This is a directvscumtell. When scum are cornered, the have to make some last resort efforts such as making a deal. This post itself is pretty self revealing of his alignment. I don't see how anyone could not see this.

Hmmm. It seems as though Gord makes a statement about him always being a d1 lynch; an easy target. So, "making a deal" could also be because he is trying desperately to stay alive while "making connections".

Sure if you keep him alive, if he were scum he could nk (or his buddy could) someone on another's top scum pick list. So I don't think that should happen at all.

Although, I can't believe you tried to lynch gord seriously so early in the game. You state that even though you are in RVS that he should disregard it's "randomness" because you are always serious even during RVS.

So, why are you always serious even in RVS? So because Gord was joking around RVS, you want to consider him as scum?

Even though that deal could make me think otherwise about Gord, I'd rather have you lynched over Gord.

Vote: Gordy

Gordito right now there is a surprisingly substantial case built up against you, largely by Zen. Why do you think he's taken such an interest in you? (I only want HIS answer by the way gents)

This (even though it's my own player slot) is pure dumb. He votes and then asks Gord a question about a case made by someone else. Stupid wagoning.

In case you hadn't realised by now, stamdard scumtells dont apply to cello

Why not? If they don't, how would you go about scum hunting on Cello?

Uh, yeah I guess... but surely the risk of accidently targeting PR's is smaller if you give it more thought before wagoning?

Second part is true. Although saying "Yeah, I guess" means you aren't sure... or you would rather hope Gord was a PR, not anyone else...

Anyways, you bounce off that by stating that he should give more thought to it. Do you think his case is thoughtless?

Let me turn this one back around on you, X1. When has scum made big lists in early game like Gord did? After all, if it's a standard scumtell then it should happen every so often.

It's something that people can say you are scum for. Basically, even if you are town, scum would blame you for that. So why would you do something that can make you vulnerable to a scum attack?

Also, did X1 ever say that it could also be a noobtell, and not just a scumtell?

Hey Gordito, speaking of defense... when are you going to defend yourself against Zen's case?

Why do you care? Do you think he should have defended himself? Why do you think he didn't?

Are you trying to direct attention back to him?

Guys I think we are being hasty. Something that makes me nervous, is scum loves to try to find guilt free band wagons. This is why I hate the "GETTHELURKERGETTHELURKERGETTHELURKER OMG THEYMAKEENDGAMESOBAD!!!" lets vote out a lurker day 1 or 2 strategy, because we get no information from there lynch, and no one looks bad for hopping on the wagon.



I'm not saying Zen is scum, but I do think your play style right now would qualify as anti-town. You are encouraging a quick lynch, which reduces the amount of information we can get. Furthermore you encourage Nicholas to tunnel. I think you are on the war path and its not all quite that necessary.


This sort of feels weird to me. "Hey, you guys are too aggressive. This but be a bit too much. However, I'm gonna do what you are all doing anyway"
I don't like the "I'm a sheep" feel of this post. Anyone else have anything to say on this?

So you would rather let a scum lurk d1/d2 then? I do not think we should. I have never experienced a person lurking to a mafia win, but I wouldn't take a chance. There can be a chance that person could be scum lurking, but we would NEVER know.

We are here to discuss, and then read people's intent to see who may be the scum. You can't get a read on an inactive person, so they are being unhelpful to town. So it's better to lynch them, but there are other things you can note with this:

You can note players who are for the LAL policy and the players who aren't for it, and then the ones who haven't commented on it.

And yes, it can be an easy target for scum, but it's a safe lynch for town. Town can't know for sure if that inactive is scum or town.

If you wouldn't lynch a lurker, how would you get info from him/her then?

Also, you say that Zen is town doing scummy things? Would you lynch him for doing scummy things even as town?

Why else don't you think Zen is scum?

Also, if Zen flipped scum, I'd suspect you. (for that statement)

In laments terms:

I'M NOT SCUM, BUT I'M FINE WITH USING MY MISLYNCH AS A TOOL TO MAKE CONNECTIONS. KEEP YOUR SCUM READ ON ME ALIVE, BUT I WANNA WIN THE GAME, AND IF THAT MEANS I GOTTA DIE, THAT MEANS I GOTTA DIE.

Ok, that's fine. But then you say we should keep you alive until D3. If you are scum, you have the ability to nk. So, no, that's a no go.

Personally, I have complete distaste for randomly zerg-rushing someone, especially when it's entirely based on meta. If anything, I find X1 and Zen jumping hard on Gordito suspicious, but all you guys have this meta-experience with each other, so I don't know what's well-founded and what ISN'T, because I haven't seen Gordito play before.

X1, why are you so content to push Gordito's wagon while letting Zen do all the work?

Well you will have to get used to it, then. If not don't play. Simple.

Also, yes, Zen and X1 pushing an early Gord lynch is something that should be noted.

I don't see a town member, with no knowledge of my alignment, speaking this way. You were saying my judgements could be clouded, but that's only if I'm town. As scum I could have simply not been judging at all. But you were speaking in such a perspective that I was town and being misguided rather than a neutral perspective which leads me to believe you are scum and know my alignment. Especially if Gord were to somehow flip town because that would also explain why you thought I was misguided even though Gord was/is so scummy.

The only reason I could see making up for this is because you simply have a town read on me.

So you say that he could have a town read on you, but you still vote him.

Now because you "realized" this, you say Gord was/is scummy. How can he have been scummy in the past and then be scummy, at the same time?

I mean, if Gord WAS scummy... that would mean he was now town/null, and used to be scummy. But you say he is scummy anyways.

This, is wifom. It would be much clearer if you said "Gord is still scummy".
Either way, I don't think your stance against Gord is strong because of that.

The other thing is the "noob card" thing. I don't get this at all. Can you explain in detail exactly what you meant in that situation and re explain what it had to do with you voting and voting beat?

Im terms of your overall play this gsme you have made some keen observations so I'm quite alright with you right now. Though your vote on me is a waste when you could be using it on glg or OS. Or even Vult, FF, or Raz.


I find it funny that people legitimately think x1 is scum.

I've never been off Gord, Just because my vote isn't on him currently doesn't mean I don't want him lynched. I can more done in a week than just tunnel someone. I don't move at the 5 post per week pace you do so more info comes/can come to light. Right now I'm im between glg and os (no homo). Either of them I would want lynched.

I think he pulled the noobcard for waiting for Adum to post about his question to Beatstick, and used it for his voting of Beatstick.

So he is saying that his vote on Beatstick is a mistake.

Why is his vote on you a waste?

Why do you find that funny? I thought you were a serious man, as opposed to finding Gord guilty of joking around with you.

Your stance on Gord is weak. You are wifoming about him being scummy.

"Gord was/is scummy."

@Frozenflame
He got angry easily, which means he might've been nervous, which means he could be scum. That's why I voted him.

Wifom. Invalid reason for voting.

Adum, I'm really not sure what all you're wanting me to say. I mean scum is scum.
It's pretty obvious that he is just throwing stuff out here. Right now he is going back and forth over whether we are serious or not, but then later says that he knows I'm serious.


I agree with this. Well actually x1 is just town.

You really want Gord dead, don't you?

"Well actually..."

What made you change your mind?

Wow Luxor can die.

Wow, what made you come to this conclusion?

I think Zen is town. His scum hunting looks genuine, and we did get some information from the gord wagon.

x1 prolly town.

still unsure about nicholas. Keeping my vote on him for now.

Why is X1 prolly town? Why are you unsure about Nicholas? Why are you still voting on him if you are "unsure" about him?

You also said you're unsure about Nich. Does "unsure" mean "leaning scum"?

Why do you ask if it's leaning scum? Why are you reading into it too much? He didn't state what he was unsure about, so why not just ask him what he is unsure about, instead of asking if it is "leaning scum".

vote Beatstick

Why did you do that? And don't say Noobcard. Say exactly why. Btw, you are scum in my eyes because of this. Noobscum.

Fos: Luxor

Care to explain why you voted beatstick?

Also, if you thought his line of questioning was scummy, why'd you wait for me to also object to him disagreeing with confirming when there's not a confirmation phase?

Hmmm, he voted 2 minutes after you posted. Does he know you are good at Mafia games for him to do this? Or could he have been coached into doing that?

Why do you think he waited until you posted, Adum?

@Luxor
You forgot the colon.

Do you think Luxor was trying to get a reaction from you?

By 'n00b card' I mean I honestly thought nothing of dropping my vote on Beat.

unvote: Beatstick

I'm a little bit too jumpy atm.

You thought nothing? So why are you being jumpy?

Also, do you really think X1 and Zen are "teaming up"? It seems to me that X1-12 is literally latching onto Zen. I don't consider X1-12 a part of this at all; definitely moreso Zen.

@Cdubs: your statements on "quick lynch is bad" is kind of okay. Quick lynches can be good for town in the sense that a lynch actually happens, and if they catch mafia it's not a bad thing. But I see where you are coming from and I agree.

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Do you think X1 is blindly agreeing with Zen, then?

Kind of ok? I don't think it was ok. It was dumb.

Absolutely not, to both questions. I'm not saying lynch the replacement as soon as he's in, but I 100% think we should knock him back on his heels right away. If we don't Gordy really does get a Get Out of Jail Free Card.

OS I'm also curious to see what youtube link that is (the censor ate 3 of the letters).

-_- Glyph, I am in 3 games as well. ;D

short version:

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Vote: Overswarm

I'm very confident OS has previously said that different people play different styles, for example X1 loves to pressure wagon, however then he called me out for doing exactly that.

Glyph/Luxor also looking scummy iirc.

Do you still think OS is scummy? (Assuming you voted him for that)
If you don't, why not?

Luxor is scummy in my eyes, especially from voting Beatstick without reasoning, and claiming the noobcard.

OS: I put gboy on pause because I know he can easily be lynched and that people will think everything he says is scummy. Had someone that could properly defend themselves and sway votes away, I would stay focused on gboy to prevent recall. But I may as well make more of our time since glg is more lynch prone.

I think you are using that as an excuse.

X1, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you actually think that Gord's post was a "standard scum tell". Swiss commonly starts games with posts just like those; J as well. This and your tendency to gambit for reads was why I assumed you were doing so.

Noted.

Nabe, would you consider joining the Luxor wagon? He hasn't posted much content, and when confronted by adum after voting me, he immediately unvoted. He even claimed that it was a noobcard. IMO he's the lynch toDay.

Also, do you agree that x1=town?

Luxor/Gord seems the same to me in scumminess/dumbness.

I'd rather go for Zen/X1. Actual intent. Most likely Zen. He wanted to quicklynch Gord, and now says he was simply trying to get a reaction from others. How can we believe him in the future?

Why does x1 = town?

@Overswarm


@Zen
I think I'm convinced on gord-scum (the replacement request was really the last straw there). However, before we lynch him I want to check out X1.

Really? He's scum because he is replacing? Did you not see his post in the Social thread? He had to replace out from the internetz as we know it.

FOS: Nicholas

Either your stance on Gord is: Scapegoat, or just weak. That is why I'm putting the FINGER OF SUSPICION on you.

Also, I found this breadcrumb:

Why do you think he breadcrumbed that?

In general I can see why people would wanna lynch people who post content-less lists, it may not be a standard scumtell but it definitely is usually fake contributing since it gives the appearance of content without actually giving content. That said, this was during RVS and therefore what would otherwise be fake contributing becomes an attempt to start discussion and move us out of RVS. As such there was definitely nothing scummy about doing it at the time he did it.



Though generally wagon leaders don't tend to be scum, gboy is a very easy target and it's easy to pass off when mislynched as his fault for playing badly.



More when I get back from work but atm I'd like Lux or Zen lynched, preferably Zen.


unvote
Vote: Zen

I agree with the Zen lynch.

Also, about the RVS list... Do you think it could also just be a noobtell? Rather than an intentional scum trying to pass off as contributing townie?

I have seen X1 say that but never said that it could also just be a newbie mistake.

@Luxor
You can't post so much because you're in europe?

Lynching you seems like a VERY good idea atm.

Is he visiting Europe? How much content is he lacking? (I'm sure one could get to a library and have one hour of computer time)

I would only guess that he wouldn't be able to post because he isn't around his home computer, but that would be the only reason I think.

Really? Why is it a good idea atm? Post your reasons.

 

[ranmaru]

Also,

Unvote: Ranmaru
Vote: Zen

Scumpicks:

Zen - For pushing an early Gboy lynch. He says this was for reactions, but why so early? If people believed him, there would be no connections d1. That, isn't good for town.
X1 - For following Zen.
Luxor - For voting Beatstick without reason, then saying that it was a mistake (noobcard).


Os and FF, why aren't you two voting?

 

[Luxor]

Have you even read the second half f the thread, Ran? Sounds to me like you haven't.

I moved to Switzeeland and now live there full time. That's mostly why I wasn't posting during the days most active periods (and therefore missing a lot of debate). Lately I've posted a lot more useful content though.

I explained the n00bcard incident to Zen a page or two back, dig it up.

And is "I don't buy that he was pushing for reactions" the only reason you have to lynch Zen? Too easily explained away IMO.

Also @ EVERYONE who's saying X1 coattailed Zen, go back and read the first page. X1 and Zen were both already on Gboy, and the motive for votes was already there. Zen just voted first.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh yeah. Ryu how much maf exp. do u have?

I am in a game in Disco, and one in Legion of Doom, I don't much if any experience since my first game was the one in Disco, however I'm learning it pretty quickly.

I'll get to the rest later.

 

[Luxor]

Vote: Gordito

That was easy, better luck next time man.

Gord: at the time of your #29, what gave you realization that the game started that you didn't realize before?

And why do you have nothing to say to me?

Gord that is two posts now that you avoided talking to me. Why?

Man no-one even comments on me ****ing about...

Fortunately I've just been given a gift from the heavens, listing every player like that when there is definitely nothing to say about them is probably the stongest standard tell there is


Unvote
Vote: Gordito

We should quick lynch Gordito, unless you guys want get more connections between him, but at this point, his buds would just be distancing themselves.

Pile em on guys

The whole schmaggegi.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Before I go to bed, the talk of me and Glyph is because we were in the Disco mafia, Legion of Doom mafia, and this one, so we joked about it.

It's not game related just a convo right when the game started about how we keep ending up in games together.

 

[Xivii]

@Nabe: Yes to both of those questions. You're trying to meta me with me "being on the higher ground." I don't even know htf you connect this to being scum or how I did such a thing in FF6. Show me/tell me the specific thing in that game that you're talking about because you're making no sense.

As I said in my last post, which you completely ignored, restate what questions you want me to answer. Don't just link/quote me to a post. I want you to actually say what "questions" you have that I haven't already answered.

@Raz: That's just silly to think that Glyph's self-vote makes him town. Scum do this asa gambit. It worrys me that you would be so easily influenced to think someone is town based off something like that. If anything it shows that Glyph isn't playing about the town win-con and doesn't care about town winning. Also I do believe that he is overwhelmed, but I also think that he that doesn't make him likely town. I myself get really bored when I'm scum and having to make cases that you know aren't true is just really a bother. So his overwhelmedness really can't be attributed to town. It's more null.

I believe you said something about my attacks on people don't wont make me any friends. This game isn't about making friends, it's about catching scum. Someone getting their feelings hurt because they are actually town shouldn't be a concern. It's a part of the game. All I care about is winning. You shouldn't bring so much emotion into the game. It's a game. The only emotion that is sometimes unavoidable is rage from others stupidity. >_> Sometimes.

As for your Gord vote, just no. Acting against your own judgements just to be safe isn't something town should ever do. Self preservation is generally associated with anti-town. As OS said, play your own game. Otherwise you're useless and more likely to die than you would have in the first place.

@Ran: Where did this confidence come from? This is nothing like what I've seen from town-ran last game. And you contradicted yourself so much in that post. Trying to look at you from the town perspective is interesting and there is room for it, but ultimately your post just gleams scum to me.

Hmmm. It seems as though Gord makes a statement about him always being a d1 lynch; an easy target. So, "making a deal" could also be because he is trying desperately to stay alive while "making connections".

Sure if you keep him alive, if he were scum he could nk (or his buddy could) someone on another's top scum pick list.

So I don't think that should happen at all.

Although, I can't believe you tried to lynch gord seriously so early in the game. You state that even though you are in RVS that he should disregard it's "randomness" because you are always serious even during RVS.

So, why are you always serious even in RVS? So because Gord was joking around RVS, you want to consider him as scum?

Even though that deal could make me think otherwise about Gord, I'd rather have you lynched over Gord.

-Gord knew I was serious because of an ongoing game which we are both out of. Also the fact of whether or not he knew I was serious shouldn't even be questioned because he even admitted that he knew I was serious in I think it was #39.
-"I can't believe you were serious". Deal with it. The whole thing allowed us to skip the entire RVS stage and BSing that most people think is a necessary part of the game. It's not, it's just a waste of our time. Eventually someone has to make a serious post. And looking at the actions, even if small, from a psychological perspective is a good way to do that. Meta is a good part of my playstyle and it has yet to fail me because I know how to use it and whether or not something should truly be persued and when I should back off. People like to criticize my early cases because of the "meta" like it's some forbidden thing when they simply lack ability to use it and because people tell them it's bad. For me it brings results.

Spoiler

Without meta I would hardly be able to tell that Nich is scum this game. Wait I didn't mean that. This isn't even true. Ignore this part of the post.

This (even though it's my own player slot) is pure dumb. He votes and then asks Gord a question about a case made by someone else. Stupid wagoning.




Why not? If they don't, how would you go about scum hunting on Cello?



Second part is true. Although saying "Yeah, I guess" means you aren't sure... or you would rather hope Gord was a PR, not anyone else...

Anyways, you bounce off that by stating that he should give more thought to it. Do you think his case is thoughtless?



It's something that people can say you are scum for. Basically, even if you are town, scum would blame you for that. So why would you do something that can make you vulnerable to a scum attack?

Also, did X1 ever say that it could also be a noobtell, and not just a scumtell?



Why do you care? Do you think he should have defended himself? Why do you think he didn't?

Are you trying to direct attention back to him?



So you would rather let a scum lurk d1/d2 then? I do not think we should. I have never experienced a person lurking to a mafia win, but I wouldn't take a chance. There can be a chance that person could be scum lurking, but we would NEVER know.

We are here to discuss, and then read people's intent to see who may be the scum. You can't get a read on an inactive person, so they are being unhelpful to town. So it's better to lynch them, but there are other things you can note with this:

You can note players who are for the LAL policy and the players who aren't for it, and then the ones who haven't commented on it.

And yes, it can be an easy target for scum, but it's a safe lynch for town. Town can't know for sure if that inactive is scum or town.

If you wouldn't lynch a lurker, how would you get info from him/her then?

Also, you say that Zen is town doing scummy things? Would you lynch him for doing scummy things even as town?

Why else don't you think Zen is scum?

Also, if Zen flipped scum, I'd suspect you. (for that statement)



Ok, that's fine. But then you say we should keep you alive until D3. If you are scum, you have the ability to nk. So, no, that's a no go.



Well you will have to get used to it, then. If not don't play. Simple.

Also, yes, Zen and X1 pushing an early Gord lynch is something that should be noted.

I'm on wiinet and it's a bother to delete all this that isn't addresses to me so I'm just wraping it in a quote. You know you don't have to use the color tag for each new paragraph? You only have to do it once for everything that is the same color.

So you say that he could have a town read on you, but you still vote him.

Now because you "realized" this, you say Gord was/is scummy. How can he have been scummy in the past and then be scummy, at the same time?

I mean, if Gord WAS scummy... that would mean he was now town/null, and used to be scummy. But you say he is scummy anyways.

This, is wifom. It would be much clearer if you said "Gord is still scummy".
Either way, I don't think your stance against Gord is strong because of that.

-Your first sentence, that's not what I'm saying. I vote him because he seemed like he knew both me and Gords alignment already.

-I said "was" becauase Gord was scummy in the time fram I was refering to. Which shows that Ryu was ignoring that. I said "is" because he still was scumy when I made that post. It's not a difficult thing to understand. I specificaly mentioned "was" because Gord's scuminess could have came about after Ryu made his post which would have madr my point invalid. But it wasn't.

-Your concept of WIFOM is wrong. You misuse it multiple times in this post.

I think he pulled the noobcard for waiting for Adum to post about his question to Beatstick, and used it for his voting of Beatstick.

So he is saying that his vote on Beatstick is a mistake.

Why is his vote on you a waste?

Why do you find that funny? I thought you were a serious man, as opposed to finding Gord guilty of joking around with you.

Your stance on Gord is weak. You are wifoming about him being scummy.

"Gord was/is scummy."

-Nabe's vote on me is a waste because (1) he's hardly looking at others. Making few conections as he can is my guess. (2) I'm town. (3) I will essentially be cleared later in the game.

-"Why is it funny? I thought you were a serious man," I'd call you an idiot if you weren't such a nice person outside of the game. Funny = rediculous. It's just lang. I'm not seriously laughing my *** off because people think he's scum.

Wifom. Invalid reason for voting.

How many times do you say this in this post. Stop using this, you don't know what it is.

You really want Gord dead, don't you?

"Well actually..."

What made you change your mind?

I didn'y change my mind. I forgot what he said in the post I was quoting, but he said some like getting town vibes from x1or something and I was like I agree, actually x1 is town regardless or somethinh. Read the post. You're the one that quoted it.

Wow, what made you come to this conclusion?

He was beinh useless. He just did this same thing in SC (which he was scum in if you recall)- come in, say something random and leave.

Why is X1 prolly town? Why are you unsure about Nicholas? Why are you still voting on him if you are "unsure" about him?



Why do you ask if it's leaning scum? Why are you reading into it too much? He didn't state what he was unsure about, so why not just ask him what he is unsure about, instead of asking if it is "leaning scum".

Ok here you are being totally contradicting. You just get on Beat for saying he was "unsure" and then you get on me for asking about it.

Scumb or Dumb?

Verdict: Scum with a bad sense of language.

Unlike you, I inferred that unsure = scummy because of the fact that HE WAS STILL VOTING HIM.

Why did you do that? And don't say Noobcard. Say exactly why. Btw, you are scum in my eyes because of this. Noobscum.

Fos: Luxor



Hmmm, he voted 2 minutes after you posted. Does he know you are good at Mafia games for him to do this? Or could he have been coached into doing that?

Why do you think he waited until you posted, Adum?




Do you think Luxor was trying to get a reaction from you?



You thought nothing? So why are you being jumpy?



Do you think X1 is blindly agreeing with Zen, then?

Kind of ok? I don't think it was ok. It was dumb.




-_- Glyph, I am in 3 games as well. ;D



Do you still think OS is scummy? (Assuming you voted him for that)
If you don't, why not?

Luxor is scummy in my eyes, especially from voting Beatstick without reasoning, and claiming the noobcard.

-

I think you are using that as an excuse.

Why?

Noted.



Luxor/Gord seems the same to me in scumminess/dumbness.

I'd rather go for Zen/X1. Actual intent. Most likely Zen. He wanted to quicklynch Gord, and now says he was simply trying to get a reaction from others. How can we believe him in the future?

Why does x1 = town?



Really? He's scum because he is replacing? Did you not see his post in the Social thread? He had to replace out from the internetz as we know it.

FOS: Nicholas

Either your stance on Gord is: Scapegoat, or just weak. That is why I'm putting the FINGER OF SUSPICION on you.



Why do you think he breadcrumbed that?



I agree with the Zen lynch.

Also, about the RVS list... Do you think it could also just be a noobtell? Rather than an intentional scum trying to pass off as contributing townie?

I have seen X1 say that but never said that it could also just be a newbie mistake.




Is he visiting Europe? How much content is he lacking? (I'm sure one could get to a library and have one hour of computer time)

I would only guess that he wouldn't be able to post because he isn't around his home computer, but that would be the only reason I think.

Really? Why is it a good idea atm? Post your reasons.

 

[Xivii]

Typos are due to wiinet, not because I can't spell. And why is Gova always viewing the thread haha.

 

[Luxor]

BeatStick, I see you viewing the thread. What are your thoughts on Ran?

 

[Beat!]

Ran, next time you should finish reading before posting. I've answered all those questions already. The reason I thought x1 is/was town was even answered on the same page as the post where I first said it. It's like three posts later. Don't skim.

And like Zen said, how the hell is my reasoning for voting Nich WIFOM? I can understand if you think it was weak (but what do you expect at such an early stage), but it was certainly not WIFOM. Do you even know what WIFOM is?

And I'm not even voting Nich any longer. Seriously, read the entire thread next time -.-.

And the "breadcrumb" was obviously a JOKE by Rajam. Now there's like three people who seem to believe that he was serious. Come on, now. Look at it. It's such an obvious joke it's not even funny (or well, I thought it was, but you get the point ).

And your entire post is filled with stuff like "it COULD be like this... but then again, it could ALSO be like this...". That, if anything, is WIFOM. Pick a side, and try to actually sound convincing.

Your post would've made me consider you scummy, if it wasn't for the fact that I've seen you play in other games, and this is pretty similar, so it's probably a null tell.

 

[Beat!]

Oh, ninja'd. Well, I think you can guess my views on Rand from that post ^^

 

[Luxor]

lol10characters

 

[Overswarm]

@ Ran as to why I'm not voting:

My vote is a tool, not a cudgel. I don't vote for "pressure" because it doesn't do anything. I talk for pressure, then vote to seal the deal.

 

[Xivii]

Then why did you vote x1 coming into the game?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm not understanding X1, it seems like he is pulling a two face asking for a quote of him riding it, I pulled the quote and he seems to be ignoring it all together.

Only when he needs to defend himself does he actually start contributing a lot more. At this point my main problem is how he jumped on with Zen so fast with barely much to back himself up. I might agree with Zen and Gordy also a candidate for a lynch, but your behavior jumping on and then afterwards has been very poor. Try and get as many people are possible on the lynch as if the end the day as fast as possible. Not really contributing to town posting very little info to help with scum hunts.

Your not helping town at this point and seem to be looking for quick lynch's and staying inactive only popping up when it benefits you only.

Vote: X1-12

I may not like how Zen, OS, and Gordy have played, but you have really been looking the most scummy of the bunch.

 

[Overswarm]

Then why did you vote x1 coming into the game?

Because his actions were scummy. In case you didn't notice, I've kinda been on his case the whole ****ing game. I don't think I'm exactly slinging my vote around like a cudgel and instead using it like a precise tool, focusing it on an individual who has been acting in a bad light.

Which is exactly what I said.

Why the hell do you think I voted for X1? What kind of question is that? What answer are you hoping to achieve?

If you don't stop with this half-***** uber-aggressive brutish play that has no destination, I'm going to have to start ignoring you completely. Have a POINT to your questions. Don't just throw lines out and hope you catch something. That's how you get manipulated. You need a point.

 

[Luxor]

OS, what's your take on the adage "vote early and often?"

 

[giraffelasergun]

Addressing my vote on Gordito: Honestly, it was mostly because I felt pretty intimidated. X1 comes out and says "If you don't vote Gordito, you better have a reason", and I don't really feel like dying, since that'd hurt town. I just put the vote on to avoid possible X1 rage, but apparently that's not quite that simple around here.

You know that by saying this you actually caused much more rage right?

GLG, what do you think of X1?

Do you think X1 was riding on Zen's aggression?

Do you think X1 actually was consciously pulling a gambit of "I'll pretend I'm against Gordito when I'm not to see who goes for it"?

I don't really agree with a lot of his actions, such as his gambit and other things hes starting to do.

Nope, X1 and zens arguments were different thinks on the same person, and they were both were awful, at least in the beginning.

Yeah, I think it was a gambit because 1) he had no argument, and 2) even if he did in my experience more people do long lists as town instead of scum.

 

[ranmaru]

@Luxor:

Also, if you know I only read half, why did you ask?

Only two pages ago? Why didn't you explain earlier?

Defending Zen, but not yourself?

@Zen

SC was my third game. This, is my sixth. In SC, I was pushed by X1 for a lynch, was lynched D1, and then X1 was lynched. (He was scum) Plus, it was my first Non-newbie game, so I didn't expect that much pressure right after my first post in RVS. Plus I have learned much. Is it a big deal to you, Zen?

Just because he knows you are serious in RVS, doesn't mean he has to be.

No, it would only allow you to skip it. If everyone was serious and wanted to skip RVS, then it wouldn't matter. But if you see someone joking around as if they knew you were serious, I'm not sure if it's both sided.

Hmmm, why would you point that out then? What would make you think Nich's scum just from meta?

I do know. I used it [the color tags] on things I wanted to stand out. Does it bother you? Too bad.

You wanted to peg him for knowing. I don't know if that would be a good enough reason for him to be scum. Need more from him to see.

Ah, ok. Why do you think Ryu ignored it? (bear with me, I'll read the second half very soon)

1. Valid
2. I don't know that
3. What do you mean?

Mhmm. Well, I just commented on this because you criticized people for thinking he is scum. I believe X1 is scum here. (So far, I'll give my stances again once I finish reading up to page 10)

Hmmm, ok.

Yes, I noticed that. But he was in a hydra, so how can we be sure it was him?


Hehe. I didn't. He just said he was unsure. I asked him a question in the way I believed "unsure" means.

So, when someone says Unsure without anything else next to it... I'd think he means "I'm unsure of his alignment". If not, what else can it mean?

Now, I knew it could lean scummy in his pov, but since you read into it, I asked you first. But of course, I wanted to hear what he said first.


@Beatstick:

Not skimming. I read up to pg 5. I said I would read the rest today.
It was an obvious joke? How do you know?

@OS: X1 was on you since the start of the game too.

 

[Beat!]

@Ran
That doesn't change the fact that I answered those exact questions like 3 posts later. I fail to see how you could've missed it.

As for the joke: Firstly, he picked out random letters out of a text. He didn't mention it again, nor did he explain any eventual system behind picking out those specific letters. Secondly, the "crumb" is a friggin scum crumb. Why would you ever crumb Scum? Name one situation where it's good, and I'll consider it.

@Ryu
If X1 is scum, who are his scumbuddies?

 

[Luxor]

@Luxor:

Also, if you know I only read half, why did you ask?

*YouGotMe.gif*

Only two pages ago? Why didn't you explain earlier?

Defending Zen, but not yourself?

I explained then because it came up most recently then, it was addressed in milder forms other times which you would KNOW had you read the thread.

I don't need to defend myself because frankly I don't care about your vote on me.

@NotRan: I'm finding Ran even scummier than Glyph atm. He's at L-5 iirc, let's fix that before deadline.

 

[Overswarm]

OS, what's your take on the adage "vote early and often?"

I'd like to take it out to a dumpster, like most adages. They're good for imparting simple ideas, little more. It doesn't mean it is right or wrong or there aren't consequences for it. I prefer to just be antagonistic and gauge responses and figure out what I can from there; others prefer to do it with votes. I think voting is a much easier trail to follow, and as such any sort of scum hunting done with votes will easily muddle up town members when they go to reread. It also sends a pretty harsh message if you have to remove your vote for some reason.

Can you imagine if everyone had piled on votes for Gordito and he was at L-1 and we were discussing hammering him, and then X1 said "it was a gambit lolz"? X1 and/or Gordito would be lynched so fast your head can spin. Using your vote can be dangerous if not used properly.

That's my take on it, anyway.

 

[Beat!]

Ran lynch sounds pri good imo.

 

[Luxor]

Good thing that adage was intended for Southerners trying to illegitimately elect a pro-slavery Kansas government instead of Mafia players.

/highschoolapushstudent

 

[ranmaru]

@Beatstick:

I'm reading the rest of the thread as of now. (I have two tabs up)

Is this a big problem to you?

Yes, I noticed it was just him picking out random letters. I just asked why would you point it out? I was thinking scum would be the first to point out these things so that person could be scapegoated.


@Luxor:

Luxor, wouldn't it be better to lynch me after I finish reading the thread? You would rather lynch me before I finish? That doesn't seem like townie intent to me.

Why do you find me scummier than Glyph?

 

[Beat!]

No, I just wondered how you could miss the answers when they were so close...

I pointed it out because you brought it up again, lol.

And I don't think anyone will try to lynch you before you've finished reading. Doesn't change the fact that you're a viable lynch target toDay.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Ran, next time you should finish reading before posting. I've answered all those questions already. The reason I thought x1 is/was town was even answered on the same page as the post where I first said it. It's like three posts later. Don't skim.

Why didn't you react this way when Rajam only read the beginning of the thread and then began posting?

fos: Beat

 

[ranmaru]

Beatstick, I didn't ask you that question.

Why did you answer that question?

But, what makes you think I'm a viable lynch target for toDAY? Does it relate to Glyph's play before I replaced in? Why or why not?

 

[Beat!]

Why didn't you react this way when Rajam only read the beginning of the thread and then began posting?

fos: Beat

What exact post are you referring to? Because I can't recall Rajam asking questions that had already been answered.

Maybe I need to re-read...


@Ran
I answered because I thought the answer was obvious. Apparently this is not the case. I apologize.

And yes, the case against Glyph remains, even though you've replaced in. And you haven't really done anything that makes me consider you more towny.

 

[giraffelasergun]

What exact post are you referring to? Because I can't recall Rajam asking questions that had already been answered.

Maybe I need to re-read...

If you don't remember, Rajam would make posts replying to things in rvs when we were in post numbers 200. rajam began posting without reading all the thread, but you never questioned him.

 

[Luxor]

Rajam and I made two distinct cases against Glyph... in the second half of the thread.

 

[Overswarm]

Ran, have you finshed reading the thread as of your big post? I'm confused and want a yes or no answer. -_-;;

Also wehre are you now.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm not done yet.

I'm on Page six right now. (40pp)

I'll make another huge post.

I just wanted to put my stances on those things tho.

 

[ranmaru]

(At the top of my huge post, it says "Catch up post up to Pg 5, Pg 10 will be done tommorow")