Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Beat!]

So, basically:

-A LOT of players need to post more.
-Luxor has stated the above too, but he hasn't posted anything worth reading himself. Don't quite get it.
-I want Nicholas to answer my questions.
-Adum has made many long posts, but a lot of it is just talk about the game in general.
-I'm starting to agree with Zen regarding Ryu, but since he's promised us a post, I'll give him benefit of the doubt for now.
-I want stances from Overswarm.
-Nabe's null.

I've probably forgotten something, but I'm tired. I'll post again if that's the case.

The Luxor wagon doesn't have enough fuel to continue at the moment.
unvote

Don't ignore me, Nich and OS. You've both posted since I made this post. Answer me.

unvote
Vote: Overswarm
You ARE one of those people being questioned.

All I wanted on gordito was votes, and to see who would or would not vote him when asked/threatened. Zen's case is and always has been bull**** and I don't associate myself with it.

This is what I thought from the beginning, so I think I believe you.

Anyway, why do you not post more content? You're not inactive in any way, but all your posts are so short. Don't you have any cases you want to bring up?


Vult, you need to get online and answer me too.

 

[X1-12]

I am inactive, I'm just skimming the posts as they come, I promised an OS case this weekend

 

[Beat!]

Oh.

Fair enough.

 

[Overswarm]

I will accept that I rode Zen's claim when I see a quote which specifically shows it. Explain this, do not just state the same thing over and over.

X1, Red Ryu JUST MADE A POST quoting you doing just that.

You are now refusing to accept that It could be a gambit because it was done by me, well I respond to that in two ways.

1.) I recently pulled a N0 cop claim and used it to lynch two scum in Youtube Memes Mafia, although there is still some debate on how effective it was, there was undeniably a gambit there.

Are you trying to tell me "believe me, I'm bad at mafia?". You're playing the noob card. Claiming n0 cop isn't a good move, I'll admit, but that still doesn't mean I believe you.

2.) The only non-gambit alternative was that I purposely drew massive attention to myself on the first page by legitimately attempting to push a lynch through repeating a completely false statement as though it were hard fact. Do you believe this to be the case? Talk about how likely you think this alternative is, and what any scum player would gain from doing such.

...what?

Why don't you just play a town game and not say one thing and mean another, get caught, then say "lol, gambit!"

 

[X1-12]

I said answer, not twist-and-avoid

 

[Xivii]

It was pretty obvious from the beginning that x1 was only on the wagon for pressure and reads.

 

[Overswarm]

It was pretty obvious from the beginning that x1 was only on the wagon for pressure and reads.

Interesting defense of X1, especially since it apparently wasn't too obvious to many people here. Didn't Gordito say the same thing?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@beatstick
Could you quote the questions you're referring to? I don't remember them.

 

[Vult Redux]

why didn't you say something along the lines of "BeatStick wagon can wait" instead of "Forget BeatStick"?

Frustration.

I mean the former.

Did you even have a reason for wanting to wagon me in the first place? Or was it just pseudo-scum hunting?

Your stance on Zen's "scumhunting" wasn't Town.

You're dropping your first idea entirely, because of ONE single post?

Did you read the ONE post? Zen tries to assert that he was serious in post 30 AND that Gord KNEW that he was serious in post 30.

And it's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Read it for yourself.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12000251&postcount=30

Actually replace out the game.

No.

And I found this personally offensive. Stop.

Where are your questions?

We could rephrase this as

wanting opinions on BeatStick because I find him scummy and there has been no discussion about him.

nice try though.

Upon seeing his casual offer to end Beat's game rejected by the populace, Vult has a sudden change of opinion, deciding to go after one of the town's leading voices (assuming he is town obv). Sudden changes in opinion without any evident reasoning = scumtell.

Here's what actually happened.

Vult observes Zen's very scummy behavior.
Vult observes a scummy post by BeatStick.
Vult observes Zen's moving off Gord wagon, making Vult rethink his Zen read since a lot of it related to Zen's tunneling.
Vult waivers about Zen wagon and brings up BeatStick because he's #2 in the list.
More scumminess by Zen is brought to Vult's attention.

Oh, so Vult DID state when he was going to start posting? Bleh, must've missed that. I guess that means we'll see some content from him soon. Otherwise I'll be mad.

I have academic, social, and other internet obligations, but I'm posting daily; providing content and opinions in each of my posts.

And I want to play.

Feel free to criticize my lack of attentiveness, since it's true that I haven't had much more time than to skim and pick out more relevant things from the thread. DON'T criticize my activity or say that I'm not posting content.

This isn't how the game works.
Gord asks you two simple unbiased questions and you should answer them.

I'm not answering questions about my off-site meta. The main reason I'm on this site is for anonymity. I have some meta here; use that.

Add to that your opinion on Gord's wagon and the people that are on it.

I will get around to this.

 

[Xivii]

Interesting defense of X1, especially since it apparently wasn't too obvious to many people here. Didn't Gordito say the same thing?

Hm?


@Vult: Sorry that you find it personally offensive. It's not meant to come out that way. I just don't think that if you can't even read the game you shouldn't drag others down. You've asked a couple of times for people to slow down posting and to make shorter posts and that you weren't going to read longer posts. And despite this you had been making accusations without even reading. So I really don't mean to be rude, but if you're not going to be able to keep up with the most basic things you should at least hold your judgement until you can or just replace out.

If your simply pretending to not be reading as a part of your strategy, then my apologies.

 

[Xivii]

you're *

 

[giraffelasergun]

Hold on here. You claimed earlier that defending AT ALL was scummy, not just defending in a particular manner. (I'm sure I can dig up quotes if you need 'em.) So, which is it, scum?

I said it wrongly in the first place, it really just depends on a way someone defends someone. if someone deliberately defends someone its definetly scummy, however one or two posts defending someone really isn't.

Also, x1 is more or less trying to get people off the dumb wagon he started.

Except you did and then later said "lol guys, just playin'". And we don't believe you.

If you were Frozen Flame, myself, or Adumbrodeus, I could maaaaaybe see it. FF is pretty clever and both myself and adumbrodeus have been known to do gambits before.

I agree with the first part of your post but the second part of the post makes me cringe because you're basically saying only certain people are allowed to do certain things and everyone else isn't allwoed to do it because they aren't clever enough.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Currently in the process of re-reading. Just finished the first 4 pages. Here are my thoughts so far:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12000244&postcount=29

Alright so this post is what end up generating a whole lot of back and forth. On it's own it doesn't really do much for me, seems pretty fillerish but again, considering the stage of the game, it comes off as just kinda RVS with some "feeling some players out" type questions thrown in. I don't think the post tries to build itself up to be anymore than it is, and as a result, I don't see it as very scummy at all.

Regarding the question posed @ me about Cdubs, we read each other like open textbooks IRL to the point where it almost isn't fun to play together, but this is the first time we've played together online, so I have no idea really what to expect. We know quite a bit about each other's personality and general playstyle though, so if either of us is acting "off" so to speak at the very least that will be easy to pick up on.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12000702&postcount=61

lolwat @ blatant bandwagonning with an attempted "lol y u guiz so serious in RVS" disarming statement.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12000748&postcount=63

Wait, since when can you "fish for reactions" when you're just telling the guy you're trying to get reactions out of that you're uh, doing just that? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Really strange scumhunting coming from adumb here if you can even call it that. =/

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12000814&postcount=66

You're voting for someone because you're curious as to why he gets offended so easily? Wait what? You don't even take a stance as to whether or not you think him being offended as anything to do with his alignment. This just feels really kneejerk to me.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12001060&postcount=77

Why are you asking him if it's dangerous? Afraid to take a stance on meta reads and how qualified they might be at this stage in the game? This is such an empty question that really serves no purpose other than to lead another player's direction of discussion, question his reads, and ultimately not take any stance and just appear to be contributing. Probably the scummiest post in the game up to this point.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12001096&postcount=79

Weird jump on the Gordito wagon. "Hey guys check it out I know what wagons are going on and I'm gonna act like I'm important and stuff and start grilling Gordito to, like I'm some kind of arbitrator between him and his attackers." This just gives me a deliberately fency "Hey player X, player Y said some **** about you, how does that make you feel" vibe, again, similar to Red Ryu's post that I just commented on. It doesn't add anything to the discussion but just makes you look like an active proponent of the wagon, but also keep the door open to switch to defense if necessary.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12001196&postcount=84

Will you take a freaking stance on meta reads already? First you say "oh he's the scummiest based on what you've brought up", but then in the very same sentence say that using meta can be dangerous unless you're "absolutely sure of his intentions" (implying this is like, ever reliably the case). But wait, Zen's case is in large part meta. How the hell can you think his case makes Gordito clearly the scummiest player, when you JUST SAID that you think the methods he used are dangerous? Do you think Gord is actually scummy, or are you just trying to suck up to aggroZen? Are we ever going to get a clear stance from you?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12001920&postcount=98

lol @ Cdubs ranting about "GETTHELURKER" pseudo scumhunting. Agreed @ the sheep vibe call out on Raziek.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12002560&postcount=104

"Hey guys stop calling me out for doing stuff that other people did! Go pay attention to them, not me!" is what I'm getting out of this. If you have such distaste for "zerg-rushing" someone, why don't you take a harder stance on it, and maybe a vote to accompany that? Oh wait, you're just trying to deflect attention again. Oh yeah, and "clam yourselves down" is blatant AtE so mega dislike.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12003146&postcount=110

lol more kneejerk AtE and deflecting. lol "omg we'll never catch scum D1". lol @ you still not taking stances and voting when apparently so much has you upset.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12003271&postcount=112

Implying that you need to have new information or reasons to explain why you're joining a wagon? Wat? Do you seriously believe that if you have nothing new to add then you are exempt from stating anything relative to your motivations for joining, like maybe, explaining what part of X player's actions you find scummy and/or why specifically you agree with certain players on the wagon?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12004658&postcount=135

This is really all you have to comment on? And then...

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12004687&postcount=142

You vote BeatStick for.... confirming unnecessarily in RVS? Huh?

Definitely will be scrutinizing Red Ryu, Glyph, Luxor, and Raziek as I continue.

 

[Cdubs1987]

For right now I am keeping my vote on OS, and unless something compelling comes up I plan on keeping it there. However, I will list other players I am suspicious of.

Beatstick. Though I appreciate your vote on OS in Post#361,

Don't ignore me, Nich and OS. You've both posted since I made this post. Answer me.

unvote
Vote: Overswarm
You ARE one of those people being questioned.

you don't explain why you are voting him. I would like to think you have more reason for voting OS than simply because he isn't answering your questions, even after his "people are not answering questions" post. I don't really see any arguments from you about OS any time recently prior to this.

In post 327

Ryu, where's that"full post" you promised us?

Vote: Red Ryu

You don't really explain why you are voting RYU, then again you don't really explain why you are voting OS, either. So now that you are voting OS, what are your thoughts on RYU? Have they changed, or do you just feel like OS is scummier at the moment? It sort of feels like you are just throwing votes around to see what will happen. This contradicts what otherwise seemed like a well thought out and calculated style of play you were showing at the beginning of the game.

I'm also still suspicious of Raz, for his vote on Gord when he indicating he was going with the flow

And yes, for the moment, this is all I have to say. You guys seem quite intense for RVS, BBR was casual as hell. xD

I mean yeah, I know there's no other way to pick someone other than latching on the first random thing, but this seems a bit much right off the bat. @_@

Well, as the saying goes: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

vote: Gordito

I didn't like Raz's response to this either. He tried to equivocate the argument by asking "why aren't the other people who voted Gord scummy as well" by ignoring the reason that was stated for him being scummy in the first place, which was implying the vote seemed aggressive and rash while going along with it anyway.

That being said, I think there is information to be gained by voting GLG. If GLG is town, I would like to vote Raz, if GLG is scum, nich, Beatstick, and myself (and possibly others) would all need to come under scrutiny for defending him.

I am not suggesting that we vote GLG, and like I said I am keeping my vote on OS for my reasons stated in my previous posts (it looks like he is pseudo scum hunting), just giving my thoughts on the game at the moment.

 

[Cdubs1987]

ninja'd by ff

 

[Xivii]

Vote: glg

x1 you are wrong. You know why too.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Too much stuff going on, I need to reread. Hopefully I'll be able to get it done, and get a new look at the game over the weekend.

 

[Overswarm]

FFlame, please post more. :D

Raziek and Adumbrodeus need to come back and post more too.

@mod

deadline / votecount / votes required to lynch please. I don't think anyone is consciously aware of how many votes it takes as no one has said "he's at L-#" about anyone yet.

 

[Xiivi]

9/16|01.27.10 11:59AM EST

votee|voters
frozenflame751|Red Ryu/

Overswarm|giraffelasergun/Cdubs1987/Overswarm/X1-12/Zεη/BeatStick/

giraffelasergun|Raziek/Rajam/

X1-12|Nicholas1024/

Zεη|Vult Redux/adumbrodeus/

Luxor|Nabe/

Beatstick|Glyph/

Vult Redux|Luxor/

No Vote|frozenflame751/

#Mod: The required votes needed to lynch & the deadline have been in every vote count as well as in the title this entire time. They have been colour coded in this post for anyone who is confused.


adumbrodeus and Raziek have been prodded.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I can give you what I've found about Glyph now, since I wrote that up earlier . I have a free now so I'll try to dig up Rajam and Adum's pasts now too. Without further ado...

The Case Against Glyph:



As with BoiledGoose (me/Kuz hydra in SC), pretending to be the mafia early on may actually mean you're the mafia.

Or it may just be a joke made really early on in the game.

Well Glyph, you haven't been posting excessively, but by golly, it sure is nice to know you're there and contributing. No me gusta.

I hadn't anticipated losing all my free time to shipping when I joined this game, but do you honestly believe I would (assuming I were scum) just GIVE you my gameplan? And then proceed to do exactly what I had said?!

Unless I'm misinterpreting what's going on here, Glyph goes from seeing no case against Gord/GLG to wanting to pressure him hard. I get the sense that Glyph was trying to capitalize on the moment of weakness caused by the sub. While the case was meh and the player was actively defending himself he stays out of it, but when he's vulnerable Glyph decides to attack. Scummy IMO.

Absolutely not. I saw a player replacing in, and didn't think they should have a 100% free pass to just forget about the earlier play as a misunderstanding.

Was Beatstick being very consistent? No. Was Beatstick outright lying about his talents? It's always a possibility, but for the moment I'm assuming no. This seems like a weak reason to vote, but more interesting is the last sentence. "I'll feel safe with my vote on you." I don't like that at all. As scum, what is not your penultimate goal to vote innocent townies out without being suspected for it? Safety is of paramount importance to scum, their top priority. Town not so much. Freudian slips ftw, amirite?

I'll be honest this is my favorite point you found.

See, in mafia, its BAD to lynch town and good to lynch scum. One might even go so far as to say its "dangerous" to lynch town. Ergo, would it not make sense to consider a vote on someone you considered to be scum, "safe"?

Because of all these things, I would feel "safe" with my vote on Glyph. If I find Rajam, Adum, and maybe Vult Redux less scummy than this, you can bet Glyph will have another vote next to his name in a few hours.

Okay how your reasoning for posting this town and mine scum?


@Everyone: If you're unsure about the validity of my badge claim:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=287574

This is very pressing to me that I get it done as soon as possible, and then i'll be back and catch up.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I was taking Gord into account too. I tentatively believe Gord/GLG are town.

Could you tell me where your opinions differ from Zen etc., the people who think Gord was scum? I'll be honest, this is what I'm mostly looking to know. If you have trouble finding or figuring out Zen's reads, just supply your own quotes from Gord and point out why you think what you do. Thanks.


Unvote, vote Zen
You know why. Although, you're right. It sure feels good to stand up on my chair and to not have to hold myself accountable for the things that I say. I am power, I am Authority, hear me roar.

 

[Overswarm]

9/16|01.27.10 11:59AM EST

votee|voters
frozenflame751|Red Ryu/

Overswarm|giraffelasergun/Cdubs1987/Overswarm/X1-12/Zεη/BeatStick/

giraffelasergun|Raziek/Rajam/

X1-12|Nicholas1024/

Zεη|Vult Redux/adumbrodeus/

Luxor|Nabe/

Beatstick|Glyph/

Vult Redux|Luxor/

No Vote|frozenflame751/

#Mod: The required votes needed to lynch & the deadline have been in every vote count as well as in the title this entire time. They have been colour coded in this post for anyone who is confused.


adumbrodeus and Raziek have been prodded.

Was unaware I was voting for myself?

 

[Xiivi]

#Mod: #270 & Rule #7

 

[Luxor]

That's interesting.

I'll address Glyph and Nabe in more detail later, since I'll be busy skiing most of the day. The short answers:

@Glyph
That was why I put "safe" in "" to differentiate it. Mine was a conscious reference to yours. I knew the badges were real but that doesn't change my stance atm.

@Nabe
I'll see if I can't find some reasoning later.

 

[Xivii]

Just caught up on the latest.

Vote: Overswarm

I don't think zv counted the switch, but I'd like the vote to
stay anyway.


Luxor I'm really liking your increase in activity. And I lipe your reads as well. However a couple things stand out to me. Glyph didn't mention this in his response but in your case on him you showed him being clueless about Gord and then wanting to make sure his replacement wasn't dismissed from the heat. However you did not show that Glyph had comevto recognize the Gordito case a bit earlier. Didbyou deliberately skip over this to make your case stronger, or did you just see it as irrelavent to the point (if so why)? or did you just miss it? If that's the case then donyou think that affects your point? And in what way.

The other thing is the "noob card" thing. I don't get this at all. Can you explain in detail exactly what you meant in that situation and re explain what it had to do with you voting and voting beat?

Also I believe x1 and I pretty much triggered the gord wagon simotaneously for our indavidual reasons.

Cdubs: You said if Gord flips scum, you and a few others would need to be scrutinized. What exactly do you mean by this?

glg: You said that no defending someone is always anti-town/scummy. And that Nich was scum for not agreeing with the Gord wagon in it's primary stage which was like one or two posts. Now I'm asking you if x1 and Nabe are scummy for that same reason and now you are saying that you said it wrong and that not all defending is scummu, but it depends on the type and that a few posts of defending someone isn't scummy. Do you then still think Nich is scum for "defending" you even though it was just a couple of posts and neither I or x1 or anyone else had really given much reasoning for why you/gord were scum at that point? If you still think Nich is scum, why? Also I'f like to know your reads on others in the game (Not sure if I asked this already).

Nich: You said you felt OS was town because you agree with his reads. Can you elaborate on which reads you agree with and why agreeing with his reads makes him town?

Nabe: My mistake: Neither you nor x1 insult thing. What was it you wanted me to elaborate on about Gordito? Don't point me to a post, just explain. I can't figure out if you're scum or if you just have horrible meta of me. It's very annoying and I wonder if this is how I come off to town that I pressure. You said something earlier about me being aggro in FF6? Thhs just isn't true. And even if it was, it wouldn't be a scumtell. I know you like readinb games for peoples "personalities" i.e meta so check out Soul Calibur. That's more of the way I'm playing here, and should be sufficient in showing yoy that enthusiastic/agressive/"tunnel-like" play does =/= scum Zen. That's simply a playstyle. As I said, your focus on me is weird. I know in AIM you usually like to find a target and stick to it as scum. It leads me to believe you are doing the same here. You will probably argue that AIM meta can't be transfered to forum meta, but there is no evidence to suggests this where as I have proven that it can at least twice (See SC mafia), so please don't argue that it can't unless you have evidence. To continue on this, another thinh about your scum play is that not only do you stick to a player, but you also tend to stick to me personally. I personally believe you fear me and wish to eliminate me as soon as you can :cool:. I wont be suprised if I'm the Night kill tonight with you around which of course would mean you = scum. That all being said, that is merely meta speculation snd me trying to reason why you are being so annoying. So I'm not going go that route at all. Im terms of your overall play this gsme you have made some keen observations so I'm quite alright with you right now. Though your vote on me is a waste when you could be using it on glg or OS. Or even Vult, FF, or Raz.


I find it funny that people legitimately think x1 is scum.

Except you did and then later said "lol guys, just playin'". And we don't believe you.

If you were Frozen Flame, myself, or Adumbrodeus, I could maaaaaybe see it. FF is pretty clever and both myself and adumbrodeus have been known to do gambits before. But we never actually state "just kidding guys" because that ruins the point of them and shifts the attention to us (except in this game, where Adumb has said things implying that he was pulling one, but I haven't looked much into that yet).

Why is it that everytime we play I have the strong desire to insult you. I can't believe you just said this. You're not special. I can't even remember the last time you have even been useful inany game. Man I'm way too tired to say how stupid this is. You should die today. Like for real.

#Mod: #270 & Rule #7

quoted for multi quote.

My bad about all the typos. I'm on wii net and it's 2 a.m ~-~

 

[Xivii]

Oh yeah. Ryu how much maf exp. do u have?

 

[Beat!]

@Cdubs
Luxor was my main target until he started posting, so while trying to find something I could really pick up on, I used my vote for pressure against players who hasn't answered me yet. So while OS is an interesting case, I'm undecided about him at the moment. Since he's so close to a lynch, I'm gonna unvote until x1 posts his case against him.

unvote

@Nich
Tried to post my questions yesterday, but my phone wouldn't let me. Trying again today:
How can you be so sure about certain scum picks? (I guess this one's kinda outdated since you say you need to re-read)
What connections would you draw if x1 died and flipped town (considering you were pretty sure about him being scum)?
List of stances?

@Frozenflame
He got angry easily, which means he might've been nervous, which means he could be scum. That's why I voted him.

 

[Beat!]

@Vult Redux
K, then DON'T complain about the game going too fast. You're expected to have enough time to keep up with the game.

 

[giraffelasergun]

glg: You said that no defending someone is always anti-town/scummy. And that Nich was scum for not agreeing with the Gord wagon in it's primary stage which was like one or two posts. Now I'm asking you if x1 and Nabe are scummy for that same reason and now you are saying that you said it wrong and that not all defending is scummu, but it depends on the type and that a few posts of defending someone isn't scummy. Do you then still think Nich is scum for "defending" you even though it was just a couple of posts and neither I or x1 or anyone else had really given much reasoning for why you/gord were scum at that point? If you still think Nich is scum, why? Also I'f like to know your reads on others in the game (Not sure if I asked this already).

A couple of posts doesn't equal seven, as I said before. And right now I'm either leaning as nich is either scum or he's full of bs because his reply to my case conisted of "he was just making a gambit blah blah blah" and a few of his other posts make me want to lynch him.
Also, I forgot to take my vote off os(it was on there in the first place?) unvote: Vote Nich.

And who I find scum(most to least) is:
Nich
Rajam
Raziek
You

 

[giraffelasergun]

Double post!

Rajam please reply to the rest of my 315.

 

[Overswarm]

#Mod: #270 & Rule #7

-_-;;

vote xiivi

unvote

 

[Overswarm]

Why is it that everytime we play I have the strong desire to insult you. I can't believe you just said this. You're not special. I can't even remember the last time you have even been useful inany game. Man I'm way too tired to say how stupid this is. You should die today. Like for real.

Sounds like sooomeone's getting a little emotional :B

 

[Beat!]

Unvote, vote Zen
You know why. Although, you're right. It sure feels good to stand up on my chair and to not have to hold myself accountable for the things that I say. I am power, I am Authority, hear me roar.

... was that really necessary? The sarcasm, I mean.

Frustration.

I mean the former.

Your stance on Zen's "scumhunting" wasn't Town.

Why, because you say so? It got discussion going, and to me it looked genuine.

Here's what actually happened.

Vult observes Zen's very scummy behavior.
Vult observes a scummy post by BeatStick.
Vult observes Zen's moving off Gord wagon, making Vult rethink his Zen read since a lot of it related to Zen's tunneling.
Vult waivers about Zen wagon and brings up BeatStick because he's #2 in the list.
More scumminess by Zen is brought to Vult's attention.

The one where I said I thought he was town? Why aren't you even considering the possibilty that I DID think his scum hunting was genuine?

Or was it another post?


Your entire case (I call it that since you were confident enough to suggest a wagon) against me seems to be based on that Zen HAS to be scum. If you were able to get Zen lynched, and he flipped town (hella crazy idea, but guess what, it might happen), would you drop the entire case against me? Please don't tell me that's the case. You don't need much to consider a person scummy, but when you're suggesting a wagon, you should really have considered all possibilities.

I think I'm gonna observe your posts closer from now on.


@frozen
Out of those 4 mentioned, which one is your top scum pick?

Overswarm, I've asked you for stances twice now. Please answer me. If you for some reason don't want to share your stances right now that's ok, but at least answer.

 

[Xivii]

OS: Play better than a jester for once.

glg: You didn't list seven times of him defending you. Also you should reread up to the part where Gord requests replacement. He wasn't even defending you, he was attacking me and x1 for not having reasons he agreed with. Once I explained my reasoning, he stopped.

I don't disagree with your read on Nich, but you have all the wrong reasons.

Also explain your other scum picks. I didn't just want a list..

 

[Luxor]

Luxor I'm really liking your increase in activity. And I like your reads as well. However a couple things stand out to me. Glyph didn't mention this in his response but in your case on him you showed him being clueless about Gord and then wanting to make sure his replacement wasn't dismissed from the heat. However you did not show that Glyph had come to recognize the Gordito case a bit earlier. Did you deliberately skip over this to make your case stronger, or did you just see it as irrelevant to the point (if so why)? or did you just miss it? If that's the case then do you think that affects your point? And in what way.

First, about Glyph. Here's a list of relevant quotes:

What. Where?

EBWOP: Making lists is scummy?

Vote: Gordy

Gordito right now there is a surprisingly substantial case built up against you, largely by Zen. Why do you think he's taken such an interest in you? (I only want HIS answer by the way gents)

Raz, I don't need to produce groundbreaking evidence to vote for someone, nor do I need to BS a new one. You're incriminating me for something that HAS to happen on every train today(unless all 9 people can find new information for each vote).

Absolutely not, to both questions. I'm not saying lynch the replacement as soon as he's in, but I 100% think we should knock him back on his heels right away. If we don't Gordy really does get a Get Out of Jail Free Card..

/quotes

The quote you're referring is obviously the one in which he votes Gordito. To be honest, I forgot about that one. However, I still find that the case against Glyph has merit, even if somewhat weakened. Glyph still hasn't contributed a lot (but has posted just enough), changed his vote to join the bandwagon with no apparent reasoning (maybe it was just pressure, maybe it wasn't), and overall I don't like him. I DO think that Glyph shouldn't be a priority at this point- Vult Redux is more scummy (and hence has my vote), Raz is more scummy, even Red Ryu is more scummy.

The other thing is the "noob card" thing. I don't get this at all. Can you explain in detail exactly what you meant in that situation and re-explain what it had to do with you voting and voting beat?

That's going to haunt me for the rest of this game, isn't it?
1. Beat votes me. I go "omgwtfbbq if he voted me he must be scum"
2. I ask Beat to explain #15.
3. I don't like his answer, although I have no idea what he could have said that would have satisfied me.
4. I vote Beatstick.
5. I go on to have it explained to me that I had no legitimate rationale for voting Beat by adumbrodeus, and feel I have to explain away what I now realize is scummy behavior.
6. I say "lol n00b card," meaning that I had no idea what I was really doing at that point and my rationale for having no rationale is that I'm a n00b at mafia and therefore don't have any rationale at all.
7. I unvote Beat, trying to put the matter behind me.
8. The matter does not go behind me.

Basically, I was (and to an extent am) asking for forgiveness based on my inexperience, although in the time between now and then I feel I figured out a whole lot more about how to play mafia. In any case, I don't blame you if you think the whole deal is suspicious; it looks super scummy in hindsight, too. At least you have my story.

Also I believe x1 and I pretty much triggered the gord wagon simotaneously for our indavidual reasons.

That's exactly how I saw it as well.

I'm tired and moving slow, I'll address Nabe next, I think, and then whoever else I feel like responding too.

 

[Luxor]

Could you tell me where your opinions differ from Zen etc., the people who think Gord was scum? I'll be honest, this is what I'm mostly looking to know. If you have trouble finding or figuring out Zen's reads, just supply your own quotes from Gord and point out why you think what you do. Thanks.

I'll go over GLG/Gord now. Keep in mind that I only have a soft town read on them right now.

list of questions for people

We're beyond X1's gambit here. Lists of questions are not a scumtell obv, but IMO they're something more of a towntell. Asking questions to proactively promote discussion is a very townie thing to do as I see it. This is minor though, and not at all indicative one way or the other.

YouGotMe.gif

Consistent with RVS humor and joviality.

Skimmed. Lemme respond to the one thing that I remember, which is basically the whole finding lists scummy thing:

TW in D&D mafia, Cello in A HELLUVA LOTTA games he's in... and plenty more. If you want me to find some, feel free to ask.

Getting defensive, but I like that he's trying to fight accusations logically.

Uuuuh... GLG's posts are a lot harder to analyze. Suffice it to say that I don't find them inherently scummy, and that if anyone shows forth some killer evidence that they/he are/is scum, I'd buy it. Such evidence may already have come forth but whenever posts began mentioning GLG/Gord my brain went into skim mode.

 

[Beat!]

You've become really active, you provide great reasoning, and you acknowledge your mistakes. Can't speak for anyone else, but you're steadily moving up on my town-o-meter .

What do you think about OS?

 

[giraffelasergun]

Unvote
Vote: Raziek

glg: You didn't list seven times of him defending you. Also you should reread up to the part where Gord requests replacement. He wasn't even defending you, he was attacking me and x1 for not having reasons he agreed with. Once I explained my reasoning, he stopped.

I did list seven reasons of him defending me/attacking x1 for not giving reasons as to why I'm scum.

I already explained my other scum picks, too. Raziek is on there because of posts like 110 and 61 and when people on the gord wagon started getting attacked he made a lot of "why me posts", and looking back on it actually right now I'd rather lynch raziek than nich and I'll put that in the top of my post so its easier for to mod to find and Its just not hidden randomly.

Rajam says a lot of things and when I read them I just want to say no no stop and he kept on going back to rvs when we were 100 posts past that.

You just do a lot of things I disagree with and I don't like how you questioned nich as to why he didn't post and you're answers were completely unhelpful and make me want to look at you more.

 

[Luxor]

You've become really active, you provide great reasoning, and you acknowledge your mistakes. Can't speak for anyone else, but you're steadily moving up on my town-o-meter .

What do you think about OS?

OS can be readily compared to X1. They're both pretty experienced mafia players, and they're both difficult to read. A detailed analysis of Overswarm would take all day, but I *think* he's town. His first big post, the REALLY big post, seems pretty townie. There's been a back-and-forth between him and Zen since then, but I don't think that reveals a whole lot.

And I'm more townie now because I figured out how to play this game lol.

 

[Cdubs1987]

@ ZEN. To respond to your question in #385

Cdubs: You said if Gord flips scum, you and a few others would need to be scrutinized. What exactly do you mean by this?

What I mean is, various people defended Gordy to various degrees, and if he comes up scum, those people should be looked at.

Admittedly, I took a weak stance on Gordito, saying that I didn't like how fast the votes were building on him for fear that his lynch would offer no information at the time, while I was simultaneously agreeing that he had done some things that can be construed as scummy. I still think that it is very possible that Gord was just very bad at responding to the pressure as a ******* townie.

Here is something that makes me nervous about GLG. GLG is convinced Nich is scum for defending Gord tooth and nail with "seven" posts. In #372 GLG says

I said it wrongly in the first place, it really just depends on a way someone defends someone. if someone deliberately defends someone its definetly scummy, however one or two posts defending someone really isn't.

So Nich is supposedly scummy for defending Gord/GLG, so lets take a look at beatstick. #253

@Nicholas
Basically, I think he was doing the same thing x1/zen did; baiting scum slips. By looking at who joins the wagon, and how much reasoning they provide, he can get a lot of reads. However, he requested replacement very early, before he was able to get anything out of it, and by the time glg entered the game, it was kinda too late to continue with it, since RVS was over and everyone had started to put more thought into their actions. GLG has since, by the looks of it, tried to contribute.

Beatstick # 231

I think GLG is town. Mostly because I agree with his case against Nich, but I also think Gord was primarily trying to bait scum with his weird posts in the beginning.

Zen, apart from thinking adum is scummy, what other reads do you have? You're focusing GLG a lot. What reads are you gonna get from his flip?

Here is #198

Zen, you didn't unvote.

I'd like you to help putting pressure on Luxor. If he's town he gotta start posting content, and he doesn't seem vert willing to do so by himself. I don't think you will get a glg wagon going before his post anyway.

Although here he isn't directly defending GLG, he does seem to be trying to focus attention elsewhere.
In post #136

I've seen x1 doing this a lot. He claims that his tell is a super standard one, and obvious too. This can make players who disagree very frustrated, and if they're scum, chances are they will slip when answering him (the most common thing would be that they very aggressively tell him that he's wrong).

Now again he isn't directly defending Gord, but he is saying "X1 ran a gambit to pressure Gord" without saying "and then Gord looked scummy", essentially tacitly affirming Gord as town by establishing that X1 did not even think Gord was town in the first place. In post # 130

As for gord, I said no idea before I personally believe he's town, but there were also some heavy stuff thrown at him, which made me uncertain.

Post # 123

No idea about gord. Waiting for his replacement.

Post # 83

Wow, what an early wagon. How certain are you about this, Zen? I mean, if he's got a PR it's not very good at all.

Overall, it looks like Beatstick did not want to see Gord/GLG lynched. This itself is not all too scummy. I don't like Beatstick trying to interpret Gord's actions as some kind of gambit to see who would try to lynch him (refer back to post #231). I think this contradicts Beatstick's otherwise seemingly thoughtful gameplay.

@GLG. you are saying Nicholas is scummy for defending you/gord, yet I feel like Beatstick is also defending you, although mostly less directly. Why do you keep focusing on nicholas and not on Beatstick. I feel Beatstick also deserves some investigation.

On the Nicholas thing, can you outline his defenses of Gord/you and why they are scummy?

Back @ Zen, I hope this clarifies what I meant when I said who should be looked into if GLG comes up scum.