Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[giraffelasergun]

I waited all night for Raziek to make posts and there's. No. Posts.
Him, FF, Adum, and Red Ryu should all REALLY start saying... anything. FF and Raz gave excuses, but I'm waiting to hear from RR and Adum.

Can you start saying things too?

@Zen: Did gord actually claim vt or only do it hypothetically?

 

[Overswarm]

Why is it so difficult for you to admit you're wrong when you clearly are. You're stubborn and underestimate me. It's how I got by you in All Stars. All I had to do was simply act as dumb as you see me. I'm not about what's on the surface. I thought you would know that by now, but I suppose not.

Tell me why you don't by it. I don't buy that you don't buy it. Admit you're wrong or explain.

You're a little defensive, Zen.

 

[Xivii]

You're a little scummy, OS.

You said "either way" which implies that you believe something I said. Yet you claimed to not buy what I was saying in the same sentence. What do you mean not buying it either way?

 

[Xivii]

@glg: He claimed vanilla in #99.

 

[Overswarm]

You're a little scummy, OS.

You said "either way" which implies that you believe something I said. Yet you claimed to not buy what I was saying in the same sentence. What do you mean not buying it either way?

... Saying "I don't buy it either way" implies I disagree with both. Not that I agree with one and disagree with another.

You called someone out for simply not responding in the thread when they were viewing.

I call you out saying that, hey, that's pretty ****ty to do. It's not like he's actively avoiding it; people have things to do. You're bringing undue attention to someone for no reason when there are plenty of good reasons to bring attention to other people here.

Your response is "oh I know, I just wanted to see his response" as if his response would tell you something.


Look at this flip flop:

You really think I care why they view and leave? All I care about is their response, duh. Scum are scum so they will be weary of everything they do and respond in excuse form. Town just don't think anything of it. At least that's the basic read.

Overswarm I'm not dumb. I'm not going to think someone is scummy for that. I just want scum to think it's scummy.

Not that it matters anymore.

That wasn't intentionally being scummy at all. It was intentionally being town who thought someone viewing the thread and not posting was scummy.

Your actions dictate what you think in this game. Your words are only secondary. I have no reason to believe what you say you're doing either way. I can however look at the actions and say that you've made some pretty scummy decisions.

Do you think Nich is scum, Zen?

Do you think scum would really "give themselves away" by you posting something as asanine as "You looked at the thread and didn't post"?

What PURPOSE do you have? After all the **** X1 has been getting for his proclaimed gambits you'd think you would know better.


@town

Stop doing half-***** simple-minded gambits that make you think you're clever. I have no idea of X1 or Zen's alignment, but I know they're now both on my radar because they've both done something scummy, got called out on it, then responded "oh, I did that on purpose" and tried to explain how they'd get tons of information from it. That's a scum move. Scum make scummy statements and actions, get called out on it, then have an excuse. Town never has to be put in that decision unless they make a mistake and there are people doing is on PURPOSE.... or they are scum.

Quit with the gambits.

 

[Xivii]

... Saying "I don't buy it either way" implies I disagree with both. Not that I agree with one and disagree with another.

This is fine.

Look at this flip flop

There was no flip flop. I say the same thing in those posts. You say I was intentionally being scummy when I wasn't. I asked a simple question which you FoS for bad reasons. Asking questions isn't scummy. There was no intention of "bringing attention" to Nich. It was simply a question.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Zen, what did you hope to gain with asking nich why he viewed the thread and didn't reply?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

When i get my next break I'll talk somemore

 

[Xivii]

glg you didn't answer me.

I asked nich a question because I wanted a response, as what questions are usually for.

 

[Xivii]

Beat do you think Luxor should be the play today? Do you think he would be a better lynch than Ryu? The reasons you are voting Luxor can be applied even more to Ryu.

Luxor I forgot who you think is scummy or do you think anyone is scummy? If you do, how come you are not voting them?

 

[giraffelasergun]

glg you didn't answer me.

I asked nich a question because I wanted a response, as what questions are usually for.

Okay, and what did you hope to get the response.

And if you really find it necessary I am a vt.

 

[Xivii]

I hoped to better my read on him.

 

[Beat!]

Beat do you think Luxor should be the play today? Do you think he would be a better lynch than Ryu? The reasons you are voting Luxor can be applied even more to Ryu.

Luxor I forgot who you think is scummy or do you think anyone is scummy? If you do, how come you are not voting them?

I'm not that sure about the Luxor lynch anymore. Not because he's posted anything of value (because he hasn't) but there's so many others who need to post more as well. Some of them had reasons, but that won't hold forever.

I think I need to re-read, I'm kinda out of ideas. Will post thoughts later. I'll answer your question regarding ryu at the same time.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Zen
Overswarm basically said it, but I'll answer anyway. I had other things I wanted to do, and didn't particularly feel like writing out a post pointing out the problems in GLG's "case". (Speaking of which, I'll get to that shortly.)

 

[X1-12]

@Adum: In #63 you say you wanna reaction fish more before voting gord, why not just vote gord for increased pressure and ergo better reads? Also in #96 you assumed my push on gordito was a 'case' why?

@Nich: Much as I hate to say this, OS is scum, but remember if you tunnel you will undermine the validity of your case.

@OS: I've been mafia 5 times, evidently I know enough to trip up in my very first post, go unnoticed, point out my own scumminess, proceed to bus (he isn't dead, its not bussing) my even weaker partner despite being the very first page of D1. Also explain how I was "latching on" to Zen's case, I never associated myself with his case, I purely (obviously) wanted just to pile votes onto gboy for pressure and to see who would/would not comply etc

@Nich again: Gboy was the center of it, but trust me I don't need gambits to read him, I was mainly focused on how everyone interacted with him and I'm pretty confident that gboy knew that, in a game he just modded I fake claimed N0 cop for example (youtube memes)

@Beatstick: I wasn't baiting reactions from Nich, I just wanted him to shut up while I attacked gboy or because responding to his posts would involve re-reading which I didn't have time for

@Zen: Firstly, I know how to read newbies. Secondly, I know how to read gboy. You don't know how to do either of these things.

@GLG: You can't attack Nich for being any of the following: butthurt, salty, bitter, tunnelly, idiotic or boneheaded. He's just like that, K?

@Nich: Please clarify if you genuinely disbelieve that it was a gambit when I said the thing about "standard tells"

@Red Ryu: Please pull up 1 quote or series of quotes where I rode on Zen's claims

@Rajam: Do you have a restriction where you have to be an idiot? if not then do something productive ffs. Voting Overswarm or Luxor would be a good start


Stuff:

Nabe is seriously on form this game.
Adum is town
Zen is wrong, and null
Glyph is probably town, just too easily influenced by long words and/or long posts.
Luxor is scum
OS is scum

Unvote
Vote: Overswarm

 

[Xivii]

X1: Gord isn't a newbie. He's been playing longer than you.

 

[Overswarm]

I like how X1's town/scum list is "people that agree with me and people that don't". I also like the appeal to authority in the beginning. "I've been scum 5 times!"

Yeah, get in line.

 

[Nicholas1024]

X1 claiming later on that it was a gambit has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you defended gord. Even though x1 has admitted it was a gambit it doesn't change your defending of gord.

So, he's using an argument that was basically a giant lie, and it doesn't change anything? Whatever.

Why would he focus on the actions of a player who agrees with him on why my playerslot is scummy over his scum suspect?

Zen and X1 were attacking Gord for totally different reasons. If you haven't figured that out yet, you've been skimming.

Yes, when I'm trying to convince other people you're scum I'm going to include every time you do something I find scummy. Since you claimed he was tunneling for a third time, I bring it up for a third time.


That doesn't mean anything.

You've made one post that said you were convinced gord was scum, but in that same post you said you would also have to look at x1 before you'd lynch me.

How is defending town going to get scum lynched?

No sir I have not.

Anyway, the main issue here is the following question: Is defending townies scummy? I hope it's clear that the answer is a resounding NO. Since GLG can't see how defending town helps to lynch scum, I'll use a quick illustration.

Suppose that Idiot townie X is on the choppping block, but you have good reason to think he's town. (Say... personal meta, or cop report. Doesn't really matter.) So, by presenting your reasons as to why townie X is scum, you get him off the chopping block, and someone else onto it... who might very well be scum. Therefore, it's a good move.

@X1
Why is Gord town? Also, I'm skeptical it was a gambit and will stay that way, until you explain somewhat more about your reads and how the gambit helped them.

 

[X1-12]

X1: Gord isn't a newbie. He's been playing longer than you.

Firstly thats a poor way to measure newbieness, games played would be better, secondly his first game was my second game (taco) so he hasn't been around longer than me. He also still sucks, ergo newbie.

@OS: I don't even know what appeal to authority is, I was just pointing out how farfetched your idea is that I would trip up in my first post and then go back and point out my own scumminess

Now please answer my questions.

 

[X1-12]

A case will come, likely this weekend

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Since I'm being asked for quotes I'll get a full post when I get home.

 

[giraffelasergun]

@GLG: You can't attack Nich for being any of the following: butthurt, salty, bitter, tunnelly, idiotic or boneheaded. He's just like that, K?

I will not attack nich for doing any of the following.

@Nich: First part: You were still defending me from zen and even so it still doesn't change anything.

2nd part: I have figured that out, but there wasn't any reason for zen to attack someone who was agreeing with his top scum suspect.

3rd part: Defending is scummy even if it is defending a townie, I guess you and I just have a difference of opinion here.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@X1 gambit in general: He admitted to gambiting when asked in 81; 81 was an admission that people making lists isn't a tell. He evaded Nich's questions before and after 81 because they would break the gambit. Now, regardless of whether or not the gambit was any good (which we can certainly judge when he posts his reads) can anyone say that they can see any ulterior motive in what he did? I'm not sure that's the case.

Check out Youtube for examples of similar play; ignoring questions outright or even answering them with a flatout lie rather than giving away a gambit. X1 grabs a gambit and sticks to it; that's consistent with his normal play. Not saying it's a town tell, it's null, but certainly not a scum tell by any means.

X1, why do you say I'm on form this game? In reality I've done very little. Luxor vote was warranted at the time pressure-wise, but he's not currently as useless as players like Ryu. And since then I've been arguing with Zen. OS said something similar, although his take was a little less relevant and a little more discrediting, but I do think there's a problem here with more credit than is due.

The rest of your reads seem alright for sure, although I'd be less inclined to agree on Zen just yet, and OS has me clueless. Have you played with OScum before? Aside from MM which I know about.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

The pic was scummy because he knew I was serious and he even admitted that. Why would he search for a pic like that. There was no comedic value to the picture itself. Gord would only post a pic if it was a humorous. That wasn't. He simply posted "you got me" in the form of a picture. The same thing easily could have been said simply with words. I wonder if people would feel differently if there was no stick figure. The fact that it was in pic form doesn't change the fact that it's suspicious.

'kay. Discussion's pretty much over, the bolded is your interpretation. Let's call the picture null (it's not, but hey) and move back to the actual content of his posts which I keep asking you about.

Posting a picture in itself isn't scummy. I've done that before. What's scummy is blowing everyone off when they have legitimate questions. This isn't even a case of Gordito simply thinking that they weren't legitimate; people piled on the votes after he brushed them off. That's confirmation that, hey, if you're town you need to start making it to where town doesn't want to kill you. That's one of the most important things for town to do.

Zen seems to be ignoring me regarding the bolded. Any chance you could quote Gord doing this? (psst Zen jump in and do this yourself)

 

[Beat!]

Re-read the whole thread. Eyes exhausted ._.

Thoughts are coming.

 

[X1-12]

OScum in community too. Played with OSTown in bioware and allstars. On a scale 1 to scummy he is a Swiss right now

Im pretty sure what you have said was good plus when I was reading I would write down something to ask only to see that you had asked it already

 

[Cdubs1987]

About Overswarm. My point still stands.

OS said

You know what happened?

Gordito does something that two separate players call him out on
Gordito blows off their questions
Gordito receives several votes
Gordito blows off more questions
Gordito asks for replacements

I never said Gord didn't look scummy. Also, I agree, OS did contribute in the game earlier saying Gord was scummy and provided reasoning etc. etc. active scumhunting.

The topic of the conversation was gord looking scummy, and when OS decided to post, he essentially says "yeah Gord looked scummy right off the bat", but the thing that OS cited for Gord looking scummy doesn't actually make Gord look scummy on its own.

OS wasn't attempting to add anything meaningful. He was just lazily attempted to point out anything that would flow with the general conversation, as opposed to trying to post something of substance.

I think he is not trying to scumhunt thoroughly because he is scum.

 

[Beat!]

So, basically:

-A LOT of players need to post more.
-Luxor has stated the above too, but he hasn't posted anything worth reading himself. Don't quite get it.
-I want Nicholas to answer my questions.
-Adum has made many long posts, but a lot of it is just talk about the game in general.
-I'm starting to agree with Zen regarding Ryu, but since he's promised us a post, I'll give him benefit of the doubt for now.
-I want stances from Overswarm.
-Nabe's null.

I've probably forgotten something, but I'm tired. I'll post again if that's the case.

The Luxor wagon doesn't have enough fuel to continue at the moment.
unvote

 

[Xivii]

Vote: glg

 

[Rajam]

Anyone who supports a Gord lynch at this point is wrong, plain and simple. Unless it's a policy lynch on GLG.

X1, I'd like to hear what reads you got from the gambit.

why

I'm around post #180 and Gordito looks as a valid lynch option toDay. The whole replacing out thing is a null read and I'm surprised people are getting a town read from that. People are already forgetting answers like "let me live until D3", or the scummy reactions with the "oh no you got me" picture

I would't be surprised at all if X1 flips scum, although he is just playing recklessly with votes and dumbly ignoring certain players like me or Nich. Also how can you say you weren't putting much attention on Gord's posts when you were pressuring him a lot? That's hella scummy... X1, what's your mafia record as town, or what's your win/loss ratio as town aprox (same question as scum)? I'm really interested in how effective this playstyle has been for you

Red Ryu is also getting mad scummy, his "contributions" are non-existent, he's just playing it safe. Gonna check his posts later and see what I get

 

[Rajam]

Sorry about all these townie posts in a row, but I can't help that you guys are so slow.

I change my mind. Or rather I'm at a crossroads.

Gords #29 makes me think Gord and Rajam are scumbuddies. Gord asks Adum if he could trust his reads because he is unfamiliar with the BBR players- Rajam & Raz. But Gord played with Rajam in FF6 and when Gord gets to Rajam in his #29 he even shows that he has knowledge of his play. So why then would he speak to adum like he was unfamiliar with Rajam? Distance. And then Gord says he's going to rely on Town-Adum's reads on Rajam. Gord was already making the assumption he would have a town read on Adum. And on top of this, it's clear distancing of responsibility for what ever thoughts he would have to contribute on Rajam, putting all the reasoning in Adums hand.

Vote: glg

I've played one game with Gord before, and most of the game while Gord was alive I was kinda inactive. Gord was scum that game and was very wishy washy. If anything this only reinforces Gord is likely scum, trying to immediatly put a relative powerful player as adumb on town side thus putting him in high risk of being nkilled.

unvote
vote: Gordito/glg

Lynching Gord/glg would give us a lot of reads on Zen, X1, adumbrodeus, among other players. But I'm not voting Gord just for reads, that's just a plus, I honestly think he acted quite scummy in RVS

Red Ryu you pretty much ignored all this discussion on Gordito, If you haven't already I'd like to hear your take on his attitude on RVS and Zen's accusations

FF6 should be Villains.

 

[Xivii]

vote: overswarm

 

[Xivii]

glg: What are your other reads besides Nich? Would you be fine with dying for reads? Why or why not?

Defending town isn't a sure scummy thing. You're just wrong about that. But since it's what you believe, do you think x1 and Nabe are scummy for defending Gordito? Both x1 & Nabe have defended him multiple times now and have even insulted people for being on the wagon. Are they scum for this? If not, why not? And what makes their case different than Nichs?



Nich: What are you thinking about Overswarm right now? Do you still think x1 is scum? You said you were skeptical about x1's gambit, but does that mean you think he's lying or you just don't know and are null on the matter?

Do you still think glg is scum? Do any of his posts come out as town to you? What do you think about his vt claim?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

why

240.
Zen would do well to check that out too.

Defending town isn't a sure scummy thing. You're just wrong about that. But since it's what you believe, do you think x1 and Nabe are scummy for defending Gordito? Both x1 & Nabe have defended him multiple times now and have even insulted people for being on the wagon. Are they scum for this? If not, why not? And what makes their case different than Nichs?

Are you kidding me? Quote this.
If you say one more unsubstantiated thing, I'm going to hurl.

 

[giraffelasergun]

glg: What are your other reads besides Nich? Would you be fine with dying for reads? Why or why not?

Defending town isn't a sure scummy thing. You're just wrong about that. But since it's what you believe, do you think x1 and Nabe are scummy for defending Gordito? Both x1 & Nabe have defended him multiple times now and have even insulted people for being on the wagon. Are they scum for this? If not, why not? And what makes their case different than Nichs?

Right now my other strong scum suspect is raziek, and rajam would be next. I would be okay with dying for reads, but I'd rather help town vocally then with the reads you might gain with my death.

Zen, I'll reread tomorrow and I'll have to check the manner in which x1 and nabe defended me to give you an answer on if they are scum based off of how they did it.

I've played one game with Gord before, and most of the game while Gord was alive I was kinda inactive. Gord was scum that game and was very wishy washy. If anything this only reinforces Gord is likely scum, trying to immediatly put a relative powerful player as adumb on town side thus putting him in high risk of being nkilled.

So basically you don't have any experience with gord meta is what you're saying? How does saying adumb is town relate to being wishy washy? And if gord is scum, why would his public opinion influence adum's death if gord already knows he thinks adum is town it won't have any affect on him being night killed by gord.

Lynching Gord/glg would give us a lot of reads on Zen, X1, adumbrodeus, among other players. But I'm not voting Gord just for reads, that's just a plus, I honestly think he acted quite scummy in RVS

Quick question, if I get lynched and I flip town, what alignment would it put these three?
If I get lynched and I were to flip scum, what alignment would these three be?

 

[Vult Redux]

It seems like Zen isn't scum hunting as much as trying to make wild claims and hoping he gets lucky, this and his behavior at Gordy is making me really question him.

A+!

Except the last part. I haven't actually looked into Gord but I do remember seeing a post that I thought was scummy, so.

Overswarm: Where's Gordito's picture response post that you guys keep referring to?

Anyone: How many people would advocate a BeatStick wagon?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I am ridiculously behind on this game, I'll be catching up soon.

 

[Overswarm]

A+!

Except the last part. I haven't actually looked into Gord but I do remember seeing a post that I thought was scummy, so.

Overswarm: Where's Gordito's picture response post that you guys keep referring to?

Anyone: How many people would advocate a BeatStick wagon?

...post #32. On the first page.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nich: What are you thinking about Overswarm right now? Do you still think x1 is scum? You said you were skeptical about x1's gambit, but does that mean you think he's lying or you just don't know and are null on the matter?

Do you still think glg is scum? Do any of his posts come out as town to you? What do you think about his vt claim?

Believe it or not, I think Overswarm is town. I mean, his reads have been lining up pretty well with mine this game, and I haven't seen anything really scummy from him. (Although, if he ends up being scum buddying me to keep me from tunneling on him, I'll hate myself for this.)

As far as X1 goes, I'm leaning scum on him, mainly because I'm leaning towards him lying as far as the gambit goes. I don't see the point of it as far as reads go (although it does explain why he was ignoring me). How he responds as far as his case on OS and stuff will likely sway me one way or the other.

GLG's defense against the stuff gord was pulling wasn't too bad, but his case against me is complete and utter crap, and strikes me as desperation.

Zen, I'll reread tomorrow and I'll have to check the manner in which x1 and nabe defended me to give you an answer on if they are scum based off of how they did it.

Hold on here. You claimed earlier that defending AT ALL was scummy, not just defending in a particular manner. (I'm sure I can dig up quotes if you need 'em.) So, which is it, scum?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Almost forgot, but Frozen promised us a catch-up post sometime tonight. Where's that post, Frozenflame?