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[#HBC | Nabe]

Why why why? I have to know.

196 is the first body of content the Gord-now-GLG case has actually seen. You grabbed onto one post and took it as a tell, then built from that one post with his picture post and a little meta. What you presented here wasn't great and Gord responded as town!Gord should have; did he seem pressured to you? You'll say yes, so I'll say really? Show this through quotes.

I think GLG is once again worth looking at per your 196, but not a play by any means. We need his stances and that's it.

Elaborate on your 191 and 193. Back up your comments with quotes from the corresponding posts.

 

[Xivii]

Why did it take you so long to answer? How is it that town-Gord should have responded? And no he didn't seem pressured, he seemed defeated. He was defeated.

Going back to adum now. 1 sec.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why did it take you so long to answer?

Meaning what?

How is it that town-Gord should have responded?

That is essentially the same question I've just asked you. My own take is that town!Gord should have responded like Gord did respond, not in the sense that it's pro-town but in the sense that I'd expect town!Gord to respond that way.

What would you have expected, and how does it differ from what we saw? Use quotes to illustrate.

And no he didn't seem pressured, he seemed defeated. He was defeated.

Doesn't matter. Quote it, show me.

Going back to adum now. 1 sec.

I'm going to assume that going back to Adum involves substantiating 191 and 193 with quotes. Yeah?

Quote quote-y quotequote.

 

[Cdubs1987]

Hey guys, letting you know I largely won't be able to respond in mornings until about 4 or 5 EST. Anyways I'm catching up.

Zen, can you be more specific with what posts of Gord acts as though he is unfamiliar with Rajam?

 

[Xivii]

Elaborate on your 191 and 193. Back up your comments with quotes from the corresponding posts.

Adums play is just so bad to me. I've played with him a few times now and everytime I've pretty much disagreed with his reads and the way he plays in general. He's always scummy to me. But apparantly he plays certain ways intentionally and with reason and is looks at things steps ahead. Like intentionally being scummy so scum would think he had a pr when he was vanilla so he would be nked.

It's difficult to determine if he has motives for the way he has been playing this game or if he is just bad scum and is unintentionally being so scummy. I was just keeping my eye on him, but Rajam made a good point and when I went to review I noticed Adum had done similar things throughout.

He's being so open like he isn't really trying to uncover scum and is just saying things to act like he's doing ****. When you're being so blatant with what you're purpose is or what you want people to do it pretty much defeats the purpose because they simply tailor the way they play. So it's strange to me that he is being so blatant and doesn't look like he is really scumhunting.

#63: "I wanna reaction fish gord more before I weigh in on this myself."
#69: "Did you read my post? I neither agreed nor disagreed with you and I have no intention of giving that opinion until I have useful reactions and giving my opinion on it at this point will spoil his reactions."
#161: "Still waiting on X1's reaction."

Not to mention his reads and targets are just aweful. Why would he want to lynch the person who has brought out the majority of the conversation in the day and is so obviously town. I don't even think it's possible for scum to play the way I'm playing and Adum is rudiculous to think I'm scum. For scum to push a mislynch that hard is like autotarget the next day. He even said that generally wagons leaders are town, but says this is different because gboy was an easy target. How is gboy an easy target? People are acting like gboy is an idiot. He knows how to play.

 

[Rajam]

11. Rajam

Not much to say here, from what I remember you're it doesn't help with much. Mostly gonna rely on a town adumb with my read on you, cuz you tend to do scummy things as town (Villains -__-). Is your activity gonna be a problem like it was there?

I spent most of the time in that game trying to catch up and that's why I think I got a scummy impression from other players. I'd never try to use inactivity or coasting as a valid strategy, no matter my faction, I think it's lame and ruins the fun of these games. With that said I'll try to be as active as possible

 

[Xivii]

Nabe my god you're so annoying.

Meaning what?

Meaning why did you leave and come back when it was simple thing to answer.

That is essentially the same question I've just asked you. My own take is that town!Gord should have responded like Gord did respond, not in the sense that it's pro-town but in the sense that I'd expect town!Gord to respond that way.

What would you have expected, and how does it differ from what we saw? Use quotes to illustrate.

Actually I asked you first.

Nabe: Gord is town.
Zen: Why?
Nabe: Because he responded like town. How do you think he would respond as town?
Zen: How is it that he responded like town?
Nabe: I asked you fisrt.

No.

And Town Gord would respond like a douchy walrus toasting lol manner. But he was being so timid and picking out the best things to say for say where as town-gord would have said scummy would have been all hyperactive and truly tried to tell me I was wrong, but he made little effort. He just responded in the tailored way that Adum set up.

Now answer me.

Doesn't matter. Quote it, show me.

I explained this in that response adum wanted me to make.

Quote quote-y quotequote.

stfu

 

[Nicholas1024]

I don't like this, I mean not the conclusion per se, but the fact that you posted this conclusion instead of keeping it for yourself. Probably after hydra'ing with Edreeses he told you at some point that trying to befriend me is better than accusing me of scum or something like that. It's obvious you wouldn't convince anyone else I'm town with this, which reinforces my argument. I'm keeping my vote by now

Out of all the things you could have gone after adum for... this really just isn't one of them. As a matter of fact, I agreed with his conclusion at the time, and saw no real problem with him posting it.

Also, I found this breadcrumb:


It's also very likely adumbrodeus is ff's buddy too. Don't believe what they say and lynch them.

I facepalmed at this "breadcrumb". Someone please tell me I wasn't the only one.

@Zen
The problem with your argument is that adum is not bad as scum. I saw him firsthand in LOTR mafia, and he blended in brilliantly. No, I think his bad play IS intentional, which means he's probably trying to avoid the NK. If anything, I'm guessing he's indy.

Anyway, what do you think of a Gord/X1/Rajam scumteam?

 

[Rajam]

@Rajam
Were you serious with that fullclaim idea, or was it just RVS stuff?

I usually like to check how "breakable" the game could be by analyzing flavor or other possible exploits, I've felt in past games these kind of things could play a more valuable role though people are usually very stubborn about this. At the same time, it's not my goal to distract town so I won't dedicate more than 2 or 3 posts about it if I see a negative answer.

More than an idea or a suggestion, it was simply a question (do we claim?); it also lets me know what different players think of it: how stubborn some players are about claiming; some players are a big no, others are more open about it. I also don't care if some players ignore the question, I'll just assume they don't support the claim thing.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Gords #29 makes me think Gord and Rajam are scumbuddies. Gord asks Adum if he could trust his reads because he is unfamiliar with the BBR players- Rajam & Raz. But Gord played with Rajam in FF6 and when Gord gets to Rajam in his #29 he even shows that he has knowledge of his play. So why then would he speak to adum like he was unfamiliar with Rajam? Distance. And then Gord says he's going to rely on Town-Adum's reads on Rajam. Gord was already making the assumption he would have a town read on Adum. And on top of this, it's clear distancing of responsibility for what ever thoughts he would have to contribute on Rajam, putting all the reasoning in Adums hand.
Vote: glg

He probably meant that he's only played one game or so with rajam and so he doesn't have much ability to read him, and not that he can't read him at all. How is that distance when he says he can't read someone? Also, gord said "if he had town vibes from adumb", not "I have town vibe froms", meaning that potentially he would just use adums read and not blindly use adums reads. Are you trying to say that gord is buddying adum and distancing from him at the same time?

Also, I didn't really see anything else in your posts that consisted of the gord case I could reply to(a lot of it was meta) if there is a post you want me to reply to specifically could you please link it and I will try my best.

Anyway, I'd like to take a closer look at Nich/Raziek for right now.
Why you should vote Nicholas:
1.

@X1
I don't see why you find Gord scummy. I admit that his big post is mainly pro-gord (in helping him to get meta reads and stuff), but that doesn't make it scummy (Case in point with that would be Omni, DGames mafia.)

Nich is defending gord here by saying that the offense x1 uses =/=scummy.
2.

Zen, in the past couple games you've been my #2 critic (aside from OS) regarding my tunneling. Now you're tunneling on Gord, and I'm not quite sure why. Explain yourself.

Nich claims that Zen is tunneling on gord when Zen wasn't.
3.

Zen, I see you viewing this thread. Explain why Gord is scummy.
@X1
That standard tell thing is a lie. First off, I've never heard of such a thing, and secondly, I've seen townies make huge lists of random stuff at the start of game (if anyone needs an example of this, check tree-stump mafia.) So tell me again, why should I vote Gord?

Claims that the standard tell of making a lists is a lie, defends gord again.
4.

I don't measure tunneling by RL days so much as by posts. And you've been relentless on Gord.

Claims Zen has been tunneling again.
5.

On further investigation...

This post really feels off to me, but so does the way X1/Zen just made a beeline for Gord. It doesn't seem like Gord was surprised at all at their aggression.

@Gord
I want an explanation for why you reacted that way.

Not only does he try to throw some doubt onto gord with those post, he also manages to make a relation that zen and x1 are tunneling on gord!
6.

@Zen
That's reasonable enough (unfortunately I can't evaluate the meta for myself, although I agree that the last post you quoted is pretty odd) for a case, but it doesn't explain X1's attack. What's your stance on him?

Again states that x1's attack on gord makes no sense
7.

Let me turn this one back around on you, X1. When has scum made big lists in early game like Gord did? After all, if it's a standard scumtell then it should happen every so often.

Claims that X1's reasoning is bs again.
Nicholas made 7 different posts that were either an attempt to defend gord or discredit Zen/x1 by any means possible. I don't think town should ever defend town(unless they had modconfirmation a player is innocent) and nich has defended me way too much. Not only that, but it basically gives him bonus ppints because if I do get lynched/nkilled he can say "well I always new Gord/glg was town hurr durr"


Raziek is scum because he was voted for gord for bs/no reason("when in rome do as the romans do" ) and then when he was targeted about why he voted for gord his response was more along the lines of "why me they did it to" and not a real defense of his actions. Also, he said at one point in time that you can't catch scum on day one which really bothers me because I don't think its too hard to do and we might even do in this game. I can provide quotes for this but I'd rather not because this post is big enough.

@Rajam: Care to respond to something happening more currently then rvs shtuff?

@Vult Redux: Do you play games on aib often?

 

[Xivii]

@dubs:

1. adumbrodeus

'Sup. There are a coupl'a BBR's in here that I'm really unfamiliar with, like Rajam and Raziek. If I get town vibes from you, is it safe for me to trust your reads on these two players if I can't get one myself?

11. Rajam

Not much to say here, from what I remember you're it doesn't help with much. Mostly gonna rely on a town adumb with my read on you, cuz you tend to do scummy things as town (Villains -__-).[/B] Is your activity gonna be a problem like it was there?

@Nich: I really don't think x1 is scum.

 

[Xivii]

@dubs:

1. adumbrodeus

'Sup. There are a coupl'a BBR's in here that I'm really unfamiliar with, like Rajam and Raziek. If I get town vibes from you, is it safe for me to trust your reads on these two players if I can't get one myself?

11. Rajam

Not much to say here, from what I remember you're it doesn't help with much. Mostly gonna rely on a town adumb with my read on you, cuz you tend to do scummy things as town (Villains -__-). Is your activity gonna be a problem like it was there?

@Nich: I really don't think x1 is scum.

 

[Xivii]

Also, gord said "if he had town vibes from adumb", not "I have town vibe froms", meaning that potentially he would just use adums read and not blindly use adums reads.

He said it when he got to Rajam: "Mostly gonna rely on a town adumb with my read on you". He's making the assumption that he will have a town read on Adum. Which means he either already had planned to do so or he somehow can read Adum with ease.

Are you trying to say that gord is buddying adum and distancing from him at the same time?

No I'm say he is distancing himself from Rajam by saying he was unfamiliar with him. Trying to give the appearance that he doesn't know him.

Also, I didn't really see anything else in your posts that consisted of the gord case I could reply to(a lot of it was meta) if there is a post you want me to reply to specifically could you please link it and I will try my best.

Can you point out specifically what parts of my

#73

was meta and that you cannot respond to?


I like the rest of your post.

 

[Xivii]

EBWOP_-_

Glg the last part says can you point out specifically what parts of my #73 is meta and that you can not respond to?

 

[giraffelasergun]

Those who have not played with me are likely not to see this point, but Gord and I have been in quite a bit of games together. He knows how I play and knows that I never ever just say random things in rvs that I don't truely believe, even if it's off of something small. He posted this pic trying to shrug off my statement like it was a joke, but he very well knew it wasn't. I confirm that he knows this because just a few posts later he gave in and tried making a deal. That post itself shows that Gordito knows I am serious and am not joking. So he posting this pic to try and shrug it off shows to me that he is trying to play it safe and didn't know how to properly respond to my accusations with words.

Town Gord would have just been straight up front with this and tell me I was wrong.

First part of this is how you think gord meta'd you're case, 2nd bit is you metaing gord.

For the rest of your post, again its probably because gord didn't have much experience playing with Rajam, and he was just hoping that he could have someone he could trust(being adum) tell him how he plays, and he was just really hoping adum would be that guy so he just said he thought adum would be town.

 

[Xivii]

Can you tell me what you think about the rest of the post (73)- the 1st quote and the third quote since the 2nd quote bit is the only part with meta?

 

[giraffelasergun]

Saying this implies that he read over everything, but if he had read over everything, then he would know that mostly everyone posting probably had already read it or was planning to so there was no reason for him to say this based off the surface intentions he was trying to give off of simply suggesting people read it because it was cool because he would know that most probably have/would read it if he read that far. Therefore, he had other intentions for making his post: to give off the appearance that he was a townie-ol'-townie reading everything in the OP like a good ol' townie should.

Saying what he said only implies that he read the bio, and not anything else in the thread. Even though he says "for those of you who haven't read it" it doesn't actually mean he has proof taht people haven't read the blog.

These two things show that he had not really read through everything. However, not diving into the OP entering into the game isn't scummy in itself. It's the fact that he tried to give the appearance that he did when he didn't. We know he didn't, but he again later confirms the sentiment that he did (which I forgot to quote in this post, but it's his #38). He states directly that he had read through the rules at the time of that post.

Again, he didn't make it appear that he read the entire op just the little bit of bio the mod offered.

This is a directvscumtell. When scum are cornered, the have to make some last resort efforts such as making a deal. This post itself is pretty self revealing of his alignment. I don't see how anyone could not see this.

The first part of his post was a joke, the second part was him convincing you that you were being rather absurd and that he should live long enough to prove himself.

 

[Xivii]

Haha ok glg. What are your thoughts about Rajam, Adum, and x1?

Rajam why are you just their lurking? It makes me think that you're feeding glg the right answers.

 

[Xivii]

there*

unvote; vote: Red Ryu

 

[adumbrodeus]

I don't like this, I mean not the conclusion per se, but the fact that you posted this conclusion instead of keeping it for yourself. Probably after hydra'ing with Edreeses he told you at some point that trying to befriend me is better than accusing me of scum or something like that. It's obvious you wouldn't convince anyone else I'm town with this, which reinforces my argument. I'm keeping my vote by now

Also, I found this breadcrumb:



It's also very likely adumbrodeus is ff's buddy too. Don't believe what they say and lynch them.

Wow

1. Rajam, saying that somebody is a town read isn't buddying, and if I wanted to befriend you, tossing you into the "idiot town" category isn't the way to do it.

2. Why would I keep it to myself? Keeping townreads to yourself deprives town of valuable information because tracking positions is how people figure out whose town or scum.

3. Why would you say that Edrees me that? What makes you think that A. you're considered enough of a power player to be worth buddying, B. that I wouldn't be able to figure that out myself if you were, C. that Edrees specifically would tell me that?



Also, your breadcrumbs are BS:

I don't like this, I mean not the conclusion per se, but the fact that you posted this conclusion instead of keeping it for yourself. Probably after hydra'ing with Edreeses he told you at some point that trying to befriend me is better than accusing me of scum or something like that. It's obvious you wouldn't convince anyone else I'm town with this, which reinforces my argument. I'm keeping my vote by now

Also, I found this breadcrumb:

See, by picking arbitrary letters in posts I can spell out pretty much whatever I want. There was no reason for FF to as scum BC that he's scum anyway, why would he, he's a better player then that.


But on the plus side you are making me question my read on you, are you seriously this bad or is this just BS? On the other hand, if you aren't scum, why would you attack a player you know is strong for a town read on you? Also I find it odd that your scumbuddy in DN said pretty much exactly the same thing when making a BS case on me (that I'm scum and you shouldn't believe what I say).

I agree with Rajam. Adum is too scummy. I don't think it s inrentional, I think he's just bad at scum.

Unvote; Vote: Adum

Good job making yourself more obvious Zen.


You jump on Rajam's case without making a case of your own, failing to notice of course, that Rajam's case is complete BS.


Your only other contribution has been a fake contribution case on somebody DURING RVS and pushing for his quicklynch. Which wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't gord who is bad and therefore reletively easy to mislynch.

Out of all the things you could have gone after adum for... this really just isn't one of them. As a matter of fact, I agreed with his conclusion at the time, and saw no real problem with him posting it.


I facepalmed at this "breadcrumb". Someone please tell me I wasn't the only one.

@Zen
The problem with your argument is that adum is not bad as scum. I saw him firsthand in LOTR mafia, and he blended in brilliantly. No, I think his bad play IS intentional, which means he's probably trying to avoid the NK. If anything, I'm guessing he's indy.

Anyway, what do you think of a Gord/X1/Rajam scumteam?

Nick, how is my play bad?

Review my case against Zen and answer me that.


Unless going against the town consensus is automatically "bad play", but then again let me ask you this, has anyone whose ever played me as town known me to sheep with the town consensus?

Adums play is just so bad to me. I've played with him a few times now and everytime I've pretty much disagreed with his reads and the way he plays in general. He's always scummy to me. But apparantly he plays certain ways intentionally and with reason and is looks at things steps ahead. Like intentionally being scummy so scum would think he had a pr when he was vanilla so he would be nked.

It's difficult to determine if he has motives for the way he has been playing this game or if he is just bad scum and is unintentionally being so scummy. I was just keeping my eye on him, but Rajam made a good point and when I went to review I noticed Adum had done similar things throughout.

He's being so open like he isn't really trying to uncover scum and is just saying things to act like he's doing ****. When you're being so blatant with what you're purpose is or what you want people to do it pretty much defeats the purpose because they simply tailor the way they play. So it's strange to me that he is being so blatant and doesn't look like he is really scumhunting.

#63: "I wanna reaction fish gord more before I weigh in on this myself."
#69: "Did you read my post? I neither agreed nor disagreed with you and I have no intention of giving that opinion until I have useful reactions and giving my opinion on it at this point will spoil his reactions."
#161: "Still waiting on X1's reaction."

Not to mention his reads and targets are just aweful. Why would he want to lynch the person who has brought out the majority of the conversation in the day and is so obviously town. I don't even think it's possible for scum to play the way I'm playing and Adum is rudiculous to think I'm scum. For scum to push a mislynch that hard is like autotarget the next day. He even said that generally wagons leaders are town, but says this is different because gboy was an easy target. How is gboy an easy target? People are acting like gboy is an idiot. He knows how to play.

You're missing a very simple point, when people are asking questions it's obvious they're fishing for reactions, telling people doesn't change that at all.


What made the difference was my impressions of the situation which I refused to give until I had the information I needed to make a decision on that, but you sir were on the scumlist from the beginning.


Gboy is an easy target, he may know HOW to play but the simple fact is that he's bad at the game, and mislynching him can easily be excused by "gboy was playing in such a scummy way".


If you don't think so, then let me ask you this, why do you think there can be merit to a fake contribution case in RVS?


You say that Rajam made a good point, care to explain what that good point was and why it suggests I'm scum? Also care to explain how I've behaved the same throughout when I have to this point given 2 town reads, only one of which (rajam) was behavioral, the other was wagon analysis?


Zen, you're tossing s*** to the wall in an attempt to see what sticks, this suggests you're attempting to discredit me because you can't discredit my case.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Anyway, I'd like to take a closer look at Nich/Raziek for right now.
Why you should vote Nicholas:
1.

Nich is defending gord here by saying that the offense x1 uses =/=scummy.

X1 later claimed he was using a gambit, and lying about the standard tell anyway. So... what's wrong?

2.

Nich claims that Zen is tunneling on gord when Zen wasn't.

The way he was exclusively focusing on your playerslot despite X1's actions looked like tunneling. I think it's justified, given his case against you, but it's still tunneling.

3.

Claims that the standard tell of making a lists is a lie, defends gord again.

See point 1.

4.

Claims Zen has been tunneling again.

See point 2.

5.

Not only does he try to throw some doubt onto gord with those post, he also manages to make a relation that zen and x1 are tunneling on gord!

You know, Zen later attacked Gord over that exact same post. The tunneling accusation you've brought up before (third time now)

6.

Again states that x1's attack on gord makes no sense

You know, he later claimed it to be a gambit...

7.

Claims that X1's reasoning is bs again.

Nicholas made 7 different posts that were either an attempt to defend gord or discredit Zen/x1 by any means possible.

I love how you're conveniently ignoring that I've since changed my mind about your playerslot, given the later evidence that Zen has presented. X1's attack was still dumb.

I don't think town should ever defend town(unless they had modconfirmation a player is innocent) and nich has defended me way too much.

Town's goal is to lynch scum. Defending town to get a scum lynch is therefore pro-town. I admit that scum can defend town for townie points, but that's not the case here.

Not only that, but it basically gives him bonus ppints because if I do get lynched/nkilled he can say "well I always new Gord/glg was town hurr durr"

You've skimmed the 2nd half of this thread, haven't you? I've since changed my mind on your playerslot.

@Adum
I'll get to your question in a bit, hold on a sec.

 

[adumbrodeus]

EBWOP: The selective bolding was supposed to be as follows:

I don't like this, I mean not the conclusion per se, but the fact that you posted this conclusion instead of keeping it for yourself. Probably after hydra'ing with Edreeses he told you at some point that trying to befriend me is better than accusing me of scum or something like that. It's obvious you wouldn't convince anyone else I'm town with this, which reinforces my argument. I'm keeping my vote by now

Also, I found this breadcrumb:

Spelling "I eat dirt" for interested parties.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Adum
Ok, here's what I've disliked about your play. Going back to your explanation post...

*snip*
Gboy's response was a null-tell, the initial attitude was a little scummy but it was the RVS timeframe so it was valid if taken as a joke. Later responses were ok. Speed at which the wagon developed suggests he isn't scum, or at least isn't mafia and that there probably were mafia on said wagon.

This is the first problem. Although the first two posts were alright, the "Hey, keep me alive until D3" thing was not pro-town in any way. If you're town, you go "Hey look, you're wrong, and here's why", not just "O noes, you got me! Keep me alive till D3 plz!".

Don't like Zen at all, looking over the people who sheeped along with the wagon as well.




In general I can see why people would wanna lynch people who post content-less lists, it may not be a standard scumtell but it definitely is usually fake contributing since it gives the appearance of content without actually giving content. That said, this was during RVS and therefore what would otherwise be fake contributing becomes an attempt to start discussion and move us out of RVS. As such there was definitely nothing scummy about doing it at the time he did it.



Though generally wagon leaders don't tend to be scum, gboy is a very easy target and it's easy to pass off when mislynched as his fault for playing badly.

So, at this point you disliked Zen for going after an easy target? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't seem like a valid reason to push a lynch. Easy or hard target, if he's scummy, he's scummy. (I admit that worse players are more likely to give off scumtells regardless of alignment, but what do you suggest? Just ignoring all the scumtells bad players give?)

Anyway, you seem to be confusing Zen and X1. X1 was after him for the large list (which he claims as a gambit now), Zen was after him for completely different reasons. (Some meta, and then Gord's reaction to the pressure.)

@Zen
Despite what I've said above, Adum makes a good point about you jumping on Rajam's case. Care to explain?

 

[Vult Redux]

I only have one class and one club meeting tomorrow so I WILL catch up tomorrow.

Sorry.

 

[Xivii]

Also, your breadcrumbs are BS:


See, by picking arbitrary letters in posts I can spell out pretty much whatever I want. There was no reason for FF to as scum BC that he's scum anyway, why would he, he's a better player then that.


But on the plus side you are making me question my read on you, are you seriously this bad or is this just BS? On the other hand, if you aren't scum, why would you attack a player you know is strong for a town read on you? Also I find it odd that your scumbuddy in DN said pretty much exactly the same thing when making a BS case on me (that I'm scum and you shouldn't believe what I say).

Is this for real? Or an inside joke? If this is for real, playing with you is going to be seriously painful.

You're missing a very simple point, when people are asking questions it's obvious they're fishing for reactions, telling people doesn't change that at all.

When someone is under pressure or even when they aren't under pressure but especially when they are, you want to see how they naturally respond to things. We needed to see how Natural-Gord would respond to all the pressure on his own to get a better idea of his alignment/motives/intentions. But when you just point out "hey Gord respond to this, I want to see how you react" defeats the whole purpose because he is then no longer doing things naturally. He is simply posting what you want him to post and not what HE wants to post. You can't tell what people's motives are if they are just doing what you say and not what they want to do. Just like what Gord said earlier, what people don't say is just as important as what they do say. How and why people say something is just as important.

Scenario 1
Susie: I think Jimmy is scum because he has a J in his name.
Jimmy: No! I'm not scum! I just have a J in my name! Why would you call me scum for that?

Scenario 2
Susie: I think Jimmy is scum because he has a J in his name.
Bobby: I wont vote you because I want to see how you react to Susie so please react to Susie.
Jimmy: Well Bobby, it's clear Susie is just trying to get things going. If not I may have to defend myself, but they could be serious O_O

In 1, Jimmy responds naturally to Susie and says what he wants to say. His motives and intentions can be determined by that. In 2, Jimmy simply responds to Bobby's unpressured statements showing no motives, no intentions. He simply reflects on bobby's statement rather than naturally responding to Susies pressure.

Good job making yourself more obvious Zen.

Explain. Do you think it's omgus? Or that I was just jumping at you since rajam came in? If the former, omgus isn't a scum tell. It's natural for a townie to think someone is scummy for voting them because they are the only one they know that is 100% town so to think someone who is voting someone you know is 100% town is suspicious is normal. If the latter, clearly that's not the case, otherwise I wouldn't be accusing Rajam of being Gords scumbuddy.

Either way neither of those are why I voted you. I simply don't like your play.

You jump on Rajam's case without making a case of your own, failing to notice of course, that Rajam's case is complete BS.

Good case to be BS imo. Also I made a case of my own.

Your only other contribution has been a fake contribution case on somebody DURING RVS and pushing for his quicklynch. Which wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't gord who is bad and therefore reletively easy to mislynch.

Wouldn't you say that's more than most have done? Of all the players so far, who would you say has contributed more than that?

What makes you say my case was fake?

I don't consider Gord an easy mislynch. That's all you.

If you don't think so, then let me ask you this, why do you think there can be merit to a fake contribution case in RVS?

I don't get what you mean here.

 

[Overswarm]

Overswarm is feeling ill. My brain isn't working right now. Just FYI. Still reading.

 

[Cdubs1987]

Yea guys sorry, I still don't know what to make of the situation. Busy atm. I will make an effort to read everything and post something of substance tomorrow.

 

[Luxor]

Just reread the whole thread again.

@Zen

Why the sudden Luxor-hate, Zen? Reasons would be nice.

With specific reference to your #122 and #124. I'd like to know your reasons why at the time, without reference to later on.

@Raz

@Raziek

If you had to choose between GorditoBoy/GLG, X1-12, or Zen dying right now, who would you choose?

You've been pretty inactive since your #110. Explain to me why your vote is still on GLG- do you honestly think he's scum, have you just not been active since #110, or are you still trying to apply pressure to Gboy/GLG?

@Mod: Request a poke on frozenflame751. He made one post, #13.

 

[Luxor]

Unrelated to the game (mostly), but I see 2 members currently viewing this thread. One of them is me and the other one doesn't even show up. Anyone know why I can't see the other guy? /curiosity

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Apologies for mega inactivity. Will be 100% caught up by Thursday night no johns allowed. Wednesdays are the worst. >_<

 

[Beat!]

I think GLG is town. Mostly because I agree with his case against Nich, but I also think Gord was primarily trying to bait scum with his weird posts in the beginning.

Zen, apart from thinking adum is scummy, what other reads do you have? You're focusing GLG a lot. What reads are you gonna get from his flip?

 

[Luxor]

Why do the hours I'm active have to be the slow ones T_T

 

[Xivii]

Luxor you can still make posts when you're online. Most players aren't generally all online at the same time. That's part of the benefit of using the forum to play.

The reason why you couldn't see the other is because they have their settings set to Invisible mode. In Invisible mode, you appear offline on your profile and postbit, and your name doesn't show as users viewing a thread or forum.

It's pretty obvious why I said you could die. You came in here and just made one little random post without commenting on much else. You still haven't commented on much and you're using the fact the others aren't online at the same time you are as an excuse when there is plenty to go off of.

 

[Xivii]

I think GLG is town. Mostly because I agree with his case against Nich, but I also think Gord was primarily trying to bait scum with his weird posts in the beginning.

Zen, apart from thinking adum is scummy, what other reads do you have? You're focusing GLG a lot. What reads are you gonna get from his flip?

Ryu: scum
Gord: scum. Town if Ryu scum.
OS: FoS
Nich: FoS
Nabe: FoS
Rajam: Interesting
Adum: Interesting


x1: Town
Luxor: Town
Beat: Town

Frozen is probably scum. Ryu is inactive. Not much thoughts on everyone else.

 

[Beat!]

Why is Luxor town?

You say that gord is town if ryu is scum, but not the other way around. I don't really understand. Could you elaborate?

 

[Overswarm]

Ryu: scum
Gord: scum. Town if Ryu scum.
OS: FoS
Nich: FoS
Nabe: FoS
Rajam: Interesting
Adum: Interesting


x1: Town
Luxor: Town
Beat: Town

Frozen is probably scum. Ryu is inactive. Not much thoughts on everyone else.

Correction:

FoS = Everyone.

You're playing a dangerous game, Zen. Remember what Cello did in FF6 Mafia? That's what you're doing right now.

 

[Vult Redux]

Urgent stuff up to page four:

was your glyph vote rvs?

Yes.

Also are you saying that you don't believe glyph and gord aren't scumbuddies? The way glyph was reacting shows that they aren't. Only one could. That's not to say GLyph is town. Gord just isn't his scumbuddy.

I'm saying you can't conclude that because of one post and consequently "drawing" that conclusion is fake behavior.

I think Zen is town. His scum hunting looks genuine, and we did get some information from the gord wagon.

He spearheads that first person he notices, starts pretending that he omniscient and his target obvscum, and declares reads as he goes along based off very little information.

I think your read on Zen is not genuine.

Vult's 103 confuses the hell out of me.

@Vult: Please explain your 103 to me.

I think Zen is scummy because of above ^

I'm not taking the time to read the whole wall. Please don't make posts that long.

 

[Rajam]

I'll catch up today, after 150+ posts in one day which is hard to follow :s so I apologize in advance if I'm bringing old stuff onto discussion

Skimmed. Lemme respond to the one thing that I remember, which is basically the whole finding lists scummy thing:

TW in D&D mafia, Cello in A HELLUVA LOTTA games he's in... and plenty more. If you want me to find some, feel free to ask.

Skimming after reading the whole 1st post in detail with XV's bio... and you only defend from the most irrelevant accusation of all of them... This just makes Zen's case on you a lot more trustable

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It seems like Zen isn't scum hunting as much as trying to make wild claims and hoping he gets lucky, this and his behavior at Gordy is making me really question him.

X1, I'm also looking at you, you seem to also be riding on Zen's claims more often than not.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ryu: You say to Zen that "his behaviour at Gordy" is making you question him. Elaborate; currently sounding unfounded and fluffy. Have you played any other games of Mafia before?

Meaning why did you leave and come back when it was simple thing to answer.

I don't recall doing so. Dunno what to tell you, I was in and out of games all day.

Actually I asked you first.

Nabe: Gord is town.
Zen: Why?
Nabe: Because he responded like town. How do you think he would respond as town?
Zen: How is it that he responded like town?
Nabe: I asked you fisrt.

Yes, I asked you that question after answering your question, thus it was warranted.

The only thing I can fully say is a town response from Gord is his picture to ridicule you. The rest was null if not town; he responded in earnest to things addressed to him and then left the entire forum very quickly because he was fed up.

And Town Gord would respond like a douchy walrus toasting lol manner. But he was being so timid and picking out the best things to say for say where as town-gord would have said scummy would have been all hyperactive and truly tried to tell me I was wrong, but he made little effort. He just responded in the tailored way that Adum set up.

I chuckled a bit at the bolded.

Gord was douchy and jokey about it -- the picture. I don't see timid Gord or picky Gord etc. so again, I'd like you to quote it and show me.