Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Luxor]

Red Ryu's last comment seems fairly accurate. Zen's quick play on Gboy was harmless enough in hindsight, but the change in attitude from #233 to #234 has me stumped... he lists a number of (valid) reasons I could be scum and then lists me as straight town?

@Red Ryu
If Zen and X1 are definitely suspicious to you, who's on your town list?

And as a general question to the thread (me being new-ish to mafia), would a 16 man game have 3-4 mafia and 1-2 indies, or thereabouts?

 

[Overswarm]

I still don't like the picture response. That doesn't sound like town Gord. That sounds like a panicking Gord.


I want Frozen Flame and Raziek to post more.

 

[Xivii]

^ ^ ^

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Also, your breadcrumbs are BS:




See, by picking arbitrary letters in posts I can spell out pretty much whatever I want. There was no reason for FF to as scum BC that he's scum anyway, why would he, he's a better player then that.


But on the plus side you are making me question my read on you, are you seriously this bad or is this just BS? On the other hand, if you aren't scum, why would you attack a player you know is strong for a town read on you? Also I find it odd that your scumbuddy in DN said pretty much exactly the same thing when making a BS case on me (that I'm scum and you shouldn't believe what I say).

I thought his breadcrumb was hilarious, and it clearly wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I hardly feel like you can use that against him.

 

[Xivii]

Why is Luxor town?

You say that gord is town if ryu is scum, but not the other way around. I don't really understand. Could you elaborate?

I think Luxor is fine for now. I can't really say for sure he is town, but he's in my town pile for now based on meta. Basically I just want to think he's town. However I don't think he's town enough or useful enough to defend him and I don't disagree with the points that have been made on him. The main thing I dislike is the "noob card" and his voting you which I still don't quite understand. I could easily switch my view on him, but right now he's a pretty weak play to me. And I think he will contribute more than he has been.

Ryu would be scum on town gord because he knows I'm town and knows Gordito is town.

You can't really make a vise versa connection from that.

Correction:

FoS = Everyone.

You're playing a dangerous game, Zen. Remember what Cello did in FF6 Mafia? That's what you're doing right now.

Cello make's definite lists that he truly believes in. I'm simply listing what my basic reads are for some of the players. Any of these can be easily changed with new evidence or a convincing case. the FoS in that post is more of a null-not-in-a-good-way sense where as scum is the people I have a stronger scum read towards. I'm not sure what you think is dangerous about it? If it's something like scum killing off the people I think are town, I don't think that would be the case. It's not like I have any power. And half the people here think x1 and Luxor are scum.

Yes.

I'm saying you can't conclude that because of one post and consequently "drawing" that conclusion is fake behavior.

You can. Glyph would not have been clueless to my Gordito pressure in his #45 if they were scummates. Even if they were and he missed me targeting Gordito, he would not so openly show that he was oblivious to it. You see? It's difficult me to show others what I see in these kind of situations, but I do have reasoning.

He spearheads that first person he notices

This is true. If I see something scummy, I confront that person and point it out. I'll continue to show we it's scummy until they can show me why it's not scummy and they are not scum. You act like I'm intransigent but I'm not. I just want to get to the bottom of things and make sure scum don't just slip by. That's how you win. I play to win and it works for me.

starts pretending that he omniscient and his target obvscum, and declares reads as he goes along based off very little information.

This isn't true. I did not pretend. I truly believed gord was obv scum. I still think he is scum, but to a lesser extent after reviewing. I can't help that there was little info to convince others, but I'm not just going to wait the whole day for him scum to slip up on there own. If we don't act ourselves and force them out, it's not likely to happen.

I'm not taking the time to read the whole wall. Please don't make posts that long.

Out of curiosity, why is it you have such trouble keeping up with games? Do you think that scum can be just as easily found with lesser content than more content? If so why? Also what do you think about Adum so far?

It seems like Zen isn't scum hunting as much as trying to make wild claims and hoping he gets lucky

My claims are never random (if that's what you mean by wild). I have reasoning for everything I say. There hasn't been a single thing that I have said that I do not have reasoning for. Just because you don't agree with my reasoning doesn't mean I don't have it.

Do you have reasoning for claiming I hope to get lucky? That's a pretty wild claim there and very hypocritical.

this and his behavior at Gordy is making me really question him.

X1, I'm also looking at you, you seem to also be riding on Zen's claims more often than not.

Get in the game..

And can you respond to this. You ignoring makes me just take it that you don't disagree: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12004540&postcount=120

he lists a number of (valid) reasons I could be scum and then lists me as straight town?

Are you kidding me. You specifically told me to list the reasoning at the time of that post. My opinion has changed since then.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I still don't like the picture response. That doesn't sound like town Gord. That sounds like a panicking Gord.

Really? :<
Do you have experience with town Gord at all? I don't, it's just what I expect from him based on his usual actions. Kid's like 14 and is generally in good humour.

 

[Luxor]

Zen, I believe I made my timezone john since the time in question, so I thought that post was still valid. If not, my bad.

 

[Luxor]

When I reread that it sounded really vague. When I read your #233 I got the vibe that you were explaining why you still thought I was scummy, since the timezone john came after the original affair iirc. I understand your position on the matter now.

 

[Raziek]

Just popping in to let you guys know that I'm not AWOL, I just haven't had a ton of time to read quite everything left.

I'll try to catch up and offer some opinions tonight.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I think GLG is town. Mostly because I agree with his case against Nich, but I also think Gord was primarily trying to bait scum with his weird posts in the beginning.

Zen, apart from thinking adum is scummy, what other reads do you have? You're focusing GLG a lot. What reads are you gonna get from his flip?

Be more specific. If Gord was trying to bait scum with his weird posts, he did an absolutely horrible job. What makes you think he was trying to bait scum, and who do you think he baited with it?

Additionally, I want to know just what parts of GLG's case on me you agree with. His case amounts to... me defending him earlier. And since you think he's town, I don't understand your logic.

@Frozenflame
I will hold you to that promised post.

 

[Xivii]

Luxor I see what you're saying. I didn't mention that my view had changed so you had it in mind that I still did. I thought you just wanted me to show what I was thinking at that specific frame in time.

 

[Rajam]

OMG i made a huge long post and accidentally page switched and deleted it. This post will be biref now out of frustration.

@ Gordito, I am friends with frozen IRL, and most of my mafia experience is IRL as well. He designs set ups quite a bit so I am familiar with a decent number of roles and abilities. I have played a handful of games on mafiascum and elsewhere.

Guys I think we are being hasty. Something that makes me nervous, is scum loves to try to find guilt free band wagons. This is why I hate the "GETTHELURKERGETTHELURKERGETTHELURKER OMG THEYMAKEENDGAMESOBAD!!!" lets vote out a lurker day 1 or 2 strategy, because we get no information from there lynch, and no one looks bad for hopping on the wagon.

I think a similar situation has been created, so that voting gordito would not imply guilt, albeit he has done some scummy things.

I get the whole "I'M a trying really hard to scumhunt with lists even though there isn't enough information to do so but I wanna look good because I am bad" thing, but also, I think it's possible he just felt like making a list and people have used that to Aggro the crap out of him.

To Zen, you say since he confirmed after saying he read the "no need to confirm" rules means he didn't read it is false. I read all of the rules, and then proceeded to confirm post anyway.

I'm not saying Zen is scum, but I do think your play style right now would qualify as anti-town. You are encouraging a quick lynch, which reduces the amount of information we can get. Furthermore you encourage Nicholas to tunnel. I think you are on the war path and its not all quite that necessary.

Post #33 you make a second post about Gordito, and in post #34, 1 minute later, you ask why he has ignored 2 of your posts about him. You are not giving this enough time.

That being said, Gordito's posts under the heat now do make him look scummy, and I do want to see where that goes.

Something I find suspicious,



This sort of feels weird to me. "Hey, you guys are too aggressive. This but be a bit too much. However, I'm gonna do what you are all doing anyway"

I don't like the "I'm a sheep" feel of this post. Anyone else have anything to say on this?

As the same Gordito said, if Gordito is lynched and he flips town, Raziek must be looked carefully

Raziek what's your take on Gordito now?

 

[Beat!]

@Nicholas
Basically, I think he was doing the same thing x1/zen did; baiting scum slips. By looking at who joins the wagon, and how much reasoning they provide, he can get a lot of reads. However, he requested replacement very early, before he was able to get anything out of it, and by the time glg entered the game, it was kinda too late to continue with it, since RVS was over and everyone had started to put more thought into their actions. GLG has since, by the looks of it, tried to contribute.

Just because I think glg's town doesn't mean that I think you're town for defending him. Actually, I think you only defended him because you were aggroing x1, who happened to be targeting gord.

K, I answered your questions, so I think I'm gonna ask you some:
Considering that it's still a very early stage of the game, you seem VERY certain of some scum picks. How come? If x1 dies, and flips town, what reads will you get on other players (I really want an answer to this one)? Do you have a list with stances?

 

[Beat!]

Ugh, long posts are painful to type on mobile phone.

 

[Rajam]

Am I cornered? No. I'm making a deal with you. Living isn't my number one priority: winning is. And if I'm 100% scum, then why not keep me around and use my flip to make connections/distances? I'm not telling you to forget about me. I'm telling you to kill me, "confirmed scum", later and let my scummates make connections with me.

Yeah but who do we lynch D1 and D2, if we let you live to D3? Why risking letting you alive when you could be a mafia PR? There're a lot of cons of letting confirmed scum alive, and just getting reads isn't worth imo. Anyways, your response of "If I were scum, at least let me live until D3 for connections" is a very scummy answer and statement, I can't imagine a town player responding with that kind of answer

 

[Rajam]

request votecount

 

[Cdubs1987]

Here I am.

@ OS. Post 190 you vote X1 because of the Gambit. Then 242 you mention you don't like the picture post. Are you dropping your suspicions of X1, or are you simply waiting for him to respond? Also, as for the initial picture thing, you say it sounds like panicking Gord.

All that happened at that point was, Gord made dumb list, ZEN called him scum, and he said "OMG YOU GOT ME"

That sounds like 14 year old humor to me. If you were to say "Wow the Day3 gambit sounds not town at all" I'd agree with you.

Do you really look at that picture, the immediate response to Zen's accusation (with 1 ryu post inbetween), and see panicking Gord. That is what sticks out to you?

@ Beatstick, I don't like the way you simply asked ZEN to vote Luxor with you instead of voting GLG (POST 198) . You say he needs pressure to start posting content. What about other inactive players, such as myself at that time. I don't like that in combination with you defeding Gord quite a bit.

I think GLG is town. Mostly because I agree with his case against Nich, but I also think Gord was primarily trying to bait scum with his weird posts in the beginning.

Zen, apart from thinking adum is scummy, what other reads do you have? You're focusing GLG a lot. What reads are you gonna get from his flip?

I think we have kind of established that Gord is sort of a silly kid, probably not the type to pull the gambit the way you are saying he did. I especially don't think he could have thought he was gonna get that kind of heat from a useless list.

Why are you defending the integrity of Gordito's play? Do you honestly believe he was trying to bait scum reactions?

 

[giraffelasergun]

X1 later claimed he was using a gambit, and lying about the standard tell anyway. So... what's wrong?

X1 claiming later on that it was a gambit has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you defended gord. Even though x1 has admitted it was a gambit it doesn't change your defending of gord.

The way he was exclusively focusing on your playerslot despite X1's actions looked like tunneling. I think it's justified, given his case against you, but it's still tunneling.

Why would he focus on the actions of a player who agrees with him on why my playerslot is scummy over his scum suspect?

You know, Zen later attacked Gord over that exact same post. The tunneling accusation you've brought up before (third time now)

Yes, when I'm trying to convince other people you're scum I'm going to include every time you do something I find scummy. Since you claimed he was tunneling for a third time, I bring it up for a third time.

You know, he later claimed it to be a gambit...

That doesn't mean anything.

I love how you're conveniently ignoring that I've since changed my mind about your playerslot, given the later evidence that Zen has presented. X1's attack was still dumb.

You've made one post that said you were convinced gord was scum, but in that same post you said you would also have to look at x1 before you'd lynch me.

Town's goal is to lynch scum. Defending town to get a scum lynch is therefore pro-town. I admit that scum can defend town for townie points, but that's not the case here.

How is defending town going to get scum lynched?

You've skimmed the 2nd half of this thread, haven't you? I've since changed my mind on your playerslot.

No sir I have not.

 

[Overswarm]

Really? :<
Do you have experience with town Gord at all? I don't, it's just what I expect from him based on his usual actions. Kid's like 14 and is generally in good humour.

*raises one eyebrow quizzically*

(OS cannot do that in real life)

 

[Cdubs1987]

OS, that isn't a response to my question at all

 

[Beat!]

I don't have an established meta on Gord. I don't know him (or anyone else here). I had seen him in a few games, and he's an established player on DGames from what I've gathered. Therefore I assumed he had a plan with the way he posted, because like I said, some posts were really weird, and I couldn't imagine a good player giving himself away so easily.
And I had no idea he was a "silly kid", or that he's done that sort of stuff before. So yes, I thought he was baiting reactions.

And there's a difference between inactivity and "lurking". You, for example, claimed you were busy IRL. I saw no reason to pressure that (at least not at once). Luxor, on the other hand, was online pretty often, but his posts were short and lacking content, and Adum disagreeing with him was enough to make him unvote. He didn't really have an excuse for being so unhelpful.

And I asked Zen to vote Luxor because he was being scummy (I've explained how).

You seem to know a lot about gords playstyle. Is he/glg town or scum to you?

 

[Beat!]

That was @cdubs.

 

[Cdubs1987]

I know almost nothing about Gord personally. This is my first smash game. Other players have alluded to him being childish and odd. His "leaving" post also makes me think he is at least still in High school. From what I gather he is inconsistent, not good, but not new.

 

[Xiivi]

9/16|01.27.10 11:59AM EST

votee|voters
adumbrodeus|Rajam/

frozenflame751|Red Ryu/

Overswarm|giraffelasergun/X1-12/

giraffelasergun|Raziek/

X1-12|Nicholas1024/Overswarm/

Zεη|Vult Redux/adumbrodeus/

Luxor|BeatStick/Nabe/

Beatstick|Glyph/

Red Ryu|Zεη/

No Vote|Cdubs1987/frozenflame751/Luxor/

 

[Overswarm]

OS, that isn't a response to my question at all

What was your first clue? Me not referencing your post in any way shape or form?

I didn't say anything about it because you didn't ask me a question. Not a real one anyway. You made a presumption that was false, continued with that presumption, then asked me a question as if it were true when it isn't.

Allow me to break it down for you.

@ OS. Post 190 you vote X1 because of the Gambit.

What? What gambit? Was there a gambit? Do I agree with this? Is this why I voted for him?

Then 242 you mention you don't like the picture post.

That was Gordito's post. The two sentence are next to each other but don't go together.

Are you dropping your suspicions of X1, or are you simply waiting for him to respond?

WTF does this even mean? I don't have to be doing either and could be doing both.

Also, as for the initial picture thing, you say it sounds like panicking Gord.

AGAIN NOTHING TO DO WITH X1. PICK A SUBJECT AND SEPARATE THEM INTO PARAGRAPHS.

All that happened at that point was, Gord made dumb list, ZEN called him scum, and he said "OMG YOU GOT ME"

Cool story, bro. Thanks for summarizing something in a way you'd prefer it to be summarized as if it validates your now obvious mentality towards said subject. Mind not stacking the deck next time?

That sounds like 14 year old humor to me. If you were to say "Wow the Day3 gambit sounds not town at all" I'd agree with you.

Day3? What does that mean?

And it doesn't sound like 14 year old humor to me. WHAT NOW?

Do you really look at that picture, the immediate response to Zen's accusation (with 1 ryu post inbetween), and see panicking Gord. That is what sticks out to you?

Yeah, I totally didn't read any of Gord's other posts. Give me a ****ing break. If you can't think for yourself just pick someone you agree with and quote them and say "This" or at the very least ask questions that can't be answered with a simple yes or no.

 

[Rajam]

How the hell are you supposed to catch scum on Day 1? There's almost literally nothing to go on.

Adding one vote for some pressure does NOT mean I condone the lynch, that means I'm looking to see some conversation.

Again, I will stress that Nabe and Glyph ALSO parrotted and hopped the wagon with no real reasoning.

The fact that they DON'T express discomfort but just do it anyway makes it different?

"Hurr durr Zen gettin the **** in, guess I'll just vote too" - their votes paraphrased.

So sue me for wanting to waiting for a time when we actually have something LOGICAL to work on, not random meta zerg-rushing.

You know what D1 for Death Note was? Generally speaking, relaxed as hell. We're like 100 posts in and you guys are WAY over what I'm used to in terms of wt***gressiveness. I'm not lying about anything I said.

FoS: Raziek

DN's D1 was relaxed for you since you weren't under heavy pressure, and it was town's fault because you were scum. Pressure&activity are the key in D1. In DN's D1 there were like 50 pages of discussion with 40 ppp and town lynched scum that day, so we CAN lynch scum D1 with good activity, but town lost that game anyways due to low activity D2 and D3 + dumb modkills. If you want this game to flow like DN we'll get the same results from there with mafia winning with wide margin, so that's why I'm FoS'ing you; you know this game CAN'T go like DN

PS: Praxis wants to run DN Mafia later on DGames so let's not spoil the game talking about specific info like roles or other mechanics.

 

[Cdubs1987]

ok, I'll give you that I probably should have linked my thoughts together. I was sort of writing my thoughts as they came and it came out confusing.

When I said "because of the gambit", I meant you were voting him because you did not seem to buy his gambit(#190). For the next 24 hours, X1 doesn't post, and you don't say anything relevant .

The next thing you say, of any substance, is your post # 242

I still don't like the picture response. That doesn't sound like town Gord. That sounds like a panicking Gord.


I want Frozen Flame and Raziek to post more.

This post seems kinda odd and out of no where, granted other people were discussing Gord's scumminess, but this is your first post on it in quite some time. Its lack of connectivity to your previous post of substance seems odd. You haven't previously been posting on Gordito any time recently, and then you choose to make a post about his scumminess based on his picture post, which really on its own does not make him look all that scummy.

The reason I asked "That is what sticks out to you?" with respect to his "you got me pic" is because if your answer is "Yes", then one of two things seems likely to be the case.

A. You are fully blown ********
B. You are not really trying to post your real thoughts on the matter.

If your answer was "no", then why the **** would you post it in the first place.

Turns out you are just not trying too hard to post your thoughts on the matter. You choose to post something that implies you think Gord was panicking scum, when that picture on its own doesn't really give any info at all about whether or not Gord is panicking scum or just a townie.

Now there are things he did that could pretty easily be construed as scummy, such as post #46

Looks like I'm scum.

If that's so, how do you feel about saving my lynch/NK to D3/N3, that way, I can make connections and you can scumhunt outside of tunneling me? Cuz I know that that's what's gonna end up happening if you gun for my lynch toDay.

You actually quoted something similar from Gord in your post #156

Am I cornered? No. I'm making a deal with you. Living isn't my number one priority: winning is. And if I'm 100% scum, then why not keep me around and use my flip to make connections/distances? I'm not telling you to forget about me. I'm telling you to kill me, "confirmed scum", later and let my scummates make connections with me.

It's not that I can't think for myself, its that it doesn't make sense to me for you to choose that of all things to say "hey everyone we should continue thinking about GLG/Gord being scum".

To me, you choosing that post says you really weren't trying that hard to find a convincing post to imply Gord's scuminess, you just decided you'd add a meaningless comment to the "Gord was scummy" debate, and you weren't too concerned about contributing anything too meaningful.

I don't think you're actually scumhunting. I think you are scum.

VOTE:OVERSWARM

 

[Xivii]

Rajam is making really good points. Specifically on Raz just now.

I find it funny that people were getting on my Gord case "meta" (which is from 4 games of experience plus knowing his pesona from the forum), yet defending him based on made up meta from no where. First of all, Gord is 16 not 14. Yes he is comedic, but he's not a noob nor some clueless little boy. He can mafia. He can properly interpret and communicate his thoughts.

 

[Xivii]

The pic was scummy because he knew I was serious and he even admitted that. Why would he search for a pic like that. There was no comedic value to the picture itself. Gord would only post a pic if it was a humorous. That wasn't. He simply posted "you got me" in the form of a picture. The same thing easily could have been said simply with words. I wonder if people would feel differently if there was no stick figure. The fact that it was in pic form doesn't change the fact that it's suspicious.

 

[Overswarm]

ok, I'll give you that I probably should have linked my thoughts together. I was sort of writing my thoughts as they came and it came out confusing.

Overswarm was right: 1

When I said "because of the gambit", I meant you were voting him because you did not seem to buy his gambit(#190). For the next 24 hours, X1 doesn't post, and you don't say anything relevant .

24 hours of inactivity? Say it ain't so.

The next thing you say, of any substance, is your post # 242

This post seems kinda odd and out of no where, granted other people were discussing Gord's scumminess, but this is your first post on it in quite some time. Its lack of connectivity to your previous post of substance seems odd. You haven't previously been posting on Gordito any time recently, and then you choose to make a post about his scumminess based on his picture post, which really on its own does not make him look all that scummy.

WTF? You said it was "out of nowhere" and then IMMEDIATELY SAID WHERE IT CAME FROM. Why is scummy that I decided to comment on something people were talking about? Why is it scummy to not be focusing on one player, and then be focusing on them? By definition you have to do that to focus on anyone. It has to start somewhere.

The reason I asked "That is what sticks out to you?" with respect to his "you got me pic" is because if your answer is "Yes", then one of two things seems likely to be the case.

A. You are fully blown ********
B. You are not really trying to post your real thoughts on the matter.

If your answer was "no", then why the **** would you post it in the first place.

Or, I'm ****ing right?

You know what happened?

Gordito does something that two separate players call him out on
Gordito blows off their questions
Gordito receives several votes
Gordito blows off more questions
Gordito asks for replacements

Posting a picture in itself isn't scummy. I've done that before. What's scummy is blowing everyone off when they have legitimate questions. This isn't even a case of Gordito simply thinking that they weren't legitimate; people piled on the votes after he brushed them off. That's confirmation that, hey, if you're town you need to start making it to where town doesn't want to kill you. That's one of the most important things for town to do.

If you're town and make town hate you, mafia can go after you or NOT go after you and no one can know. It's all guessing and meta.

Gordito was either town playing insanely poorly or was mafia. I've modded games he's been in as scum, and I've played in several games with him. I know him. Zen knows him. We both come to the same conclusion. Weird, no?

Turns out you are just not trying too hard to post your thoughts on the matter. You choose to post something that implies you think Gord was panicking scum, when that picture on its own doesn't really give any info at all about whether or not Gord is panicking scum or just a townie.

Yes. Yes it does.

A townie doesn't brush off legitimate claims for any reason. There are a few players that can pull that off, and they are all experienced players. Gordito continued to bring attention to himself by brushing things off very visibly, repeatedly. There's no reason to do that as town. Posting a giant picture was step one and yes, presents a panicking Gordito to me.

Now there are things he did that could pretty easily be construed as scummy, such as post #46



You actually quoted something similar from Gord in your post #156

Wait wait wait... so you're saying I called Gord out for something, then FOLLOWED IT UP with future quotes and statements in an aggressive manner, then later brought it up again while it was being discussed?

That's the definition of scum hunting, bud. I've made a giant post pertaining my thoughts up to that point to catch up in the game and to let people know where I stand. Since then I've only really commented negatively on X1 and Gord. Big whoop. It's Day 1.

It's not that I can't think for myself, its that it doesn't make sense to me for you to choose that of all things to say "hey everyone we should continue thinking about GLG/Gord being scum".

If you read more carefully, you'd see I said "hey everyone, do you think we should continue thinking about GLG/Gord being scum". I specifically asked others for responses to see what they thought about continuing to pressure Gordito's replacement. That's important to note.

To me, you choosing that post says you really weren't trying that hard to find a convincing post to imply Gord's scuminess, you just decided you'd add a meaningless comment to the "Gord was scummy" debate, and you weren't too concerned about contributing anything too meaningful.

I don't think you're actually scumhunting. I think you are scum.

VOTE:OVERSWARM

Uh huh. I'm one post ahead of you, and your posts aren't exactly scum hunting.

As of yesterday you were "catching up".

Hey guys, letting you know I largely won't be able to respond in mornings until about 4 or 5 EST. Anyways I'm catching up.

Yea guys sorry, I still don't know what to make of the situation. Busy atm. I will make an effort to read everything and post something of substance tomorrow.

Following that, you have a whopping four posts of content, three of which are about me making bad reads about Gordito, who I have modded for when he was scum AND played in several games with...

and one that says, literally, that you know nothing about Gordito and are basing your imaginary meta on how you've interpreted other people's interpretations.

I know almost nothing about Gord personally. This is my first smash game. Other players have alluded to him being childish and odd. His "leaving" post also makes me think he is at least still in High school. From what I gather he is inconsistent, not good, but not new.

This is all followed by a vote on me after I lambast you for not being able to write a sentence and not knowing what the **** you're talking about.

You want a case? Build a case. Stop grasping at straws. I've had to waste my time with this TWICE now.



Raziek and FF still need to post. Adumbrodeus, don't lurk. I know you're busy, but don't lurk.


It's not that I can't think for myself, its that it doesn't make sense to me for you to choose that of all things to say "hey everyone we should continue thinking about GLG/Gord being scum".

To me, you choosing that post says you really weren't trying that hard to find a convincing post to imply Gord's scuminess, you just decided you'd add a meaningless comment to the "Gord was scummy" debate, and you weren't too concerned about contributing anything too meaningful.

I don't think you're actually scumhunting. I think you are scum.

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[Overswarm]

EBWOP: quote at bottom got cut off, should have started at "it's not..."

 

[Xivii]

@GLG, Gord claimed Vanilla. Can you confirm this?

@Nabe why are you still alive? That's a rhetorical question implying that you are scummy. Why are you voting town? Quoty-quote-quote. And show how they make him scum.

 

[Xivii]

Nich, why did you come here, view glg's post and not respond to it?

 

[Overswarm]

Nich, why did you come here, view glg's post and not respond to it?

I don't like this. People have **** to do. Sometimes they want to read a few posts and come back later when they have more time to formulate a response. This isn't evidence for anything, and it puts undue pressure on actual townies who are just busy. You've been doing this gusto thing a lot, try to keep your cool.

FoS: Zen

 

[Xivii]

You really think I care why they view and leave? All I care about is their response, duh. Scum are scum so they will be weary of everything they do and respond in excuse form. Town just don't think anything of it. At least that's the basic read.

Overswarm I'm not dumb. I'm not going to think someone is scummy for that. I just want scum to think it's scummy.

Not that it matters anymore.

Eye roll my I's at you.

 

[Overswarm]

Yeah, don't play that game. I already made a speech about it earlier.

Acting scummy deliberately to hopefully catch scum is a null sum game. You always lose something, and only have a possible chance to win something. Don't.

Hell, look what you just did. Responded with excuses. Which is what you were looking for. "Oh, I'll call them out on it and they'll make excuses if they're scum!"

Are you scum? Because you just did. If you aren't, you might want to admit that town might make an excuse to, so you're not even getting good reads.

 

[Luxor]

I waited all night for Raziek to make posts and there's. No. Posts.
Him, FF, Adum, and Red Ryu should all REALLY start saying... anything. FF and Raz gave excuses, but I'm waiting to hear from RR and Adum.

 

[Xivii]

That wasn't intentionally being scummy at all. It was intentionally being town who thought someone viewing the thread and not posting was scummy.

That's nothing like the excuse I am speaking of. That was more of showing you why you were wrong.

"I was doing blah blah" is an excuse. "I don't remember" is thinking nothing of it.

 

[Overswarm]

Not buying it either way. Step your game up.

 

[Xivii]

Why is it so difficult for you to admit you're wrong when you clearly are. You're stubborn and underestimate me. It's how I got by you in All Stars. All I had to do was simply act as dumb as you see me. I'm not about what's on the surface. I thought you would know that by now, but I suppose not.

Tell me why you don't by it. I don't buy that you don't buy it. Admit you're wrong or explain.