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[Vult Redux]

THAT post?

The pic was scummy because he knew I was serious and he even admitted that. Why would he search for a pic like that. There was no comedic value to the picture itself. Gord would only post a pic if it was a humorous. That wasn't. He simply posted "you got me" in the form of a picture. The same thing easily could have been said simply with words. I wonder if people would feel differently if there was no stick figure. The fact that it was in pic form doesn't change the fact that it's suspicious.

Is this a joke? I don't buy it for a second.

Omg. Forget BeatStick. We need Zen votes.

 

[Xivii]

Vult answer my questions. Actually replace out the game.

 

[X1-12]

OS ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

RAJAM READ MY POSTS

ZEN STOP BULL****TING

/capslock

 

[Xivii]

x1 what do you mean?

 

[X1-12]

Nabes 314 is a good start

 

[Xivii]

Didn't one of you say whoever was on the wagon is dumb?


Nich what makes you think OS is town?

glg, I agree with Nich. Based on your reasoning, shouldn't the fact that they are defending you make them scummy?

 

[Beat!]

Ryu, where's that"full post" you promised us?

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Just finished re-reading a game that doesn't exist. This one is tomorrow's project. Look forward to me then.

 

[Luxor]

School's Internet is down so I can't make a full post right now (on my iPhone atm). A lot happened since last night for me and it's kind of hard for me to catch up, but I'll try.*

@Zen's ? a page or two back asking "who do you think is scum? Why aren't you voting them?"
I'm really unsure of my reads at this point. I'm not totally confident of my skills, first of all- but that's not really an excuse, and I should figure out exactly what I think rather than think nothing. My confusion is only compounded by Raz's inactivity, FF's lack of delivery on his promise, etc. Of the players who have been fairly active, I feel X1 is town based on meta. Again, I'm unsure of my read- I was only in one game with him (SC) and I[/] was hardly in that game due to my hydra with Kuz. However, in that game X1's mafia play was very conservative, something you yourself called him out for. His play here (see gambit) is MUCH scummier, and therefore he's LESS scummy, or underwent a massive change in his mafia playstyle.

Adumbrodeus hasn't posted much recently, but he's an interesting one. I'd reference some interesting things here but iPhone johns.*

Glyph is interesting as well. He said he was going scumhunting and found some flaw that made BeatStick a target for his vote. I'm really starting to dislike that play- it was almost jokingly done, but that joking is how scum cover up their scumminess. On the other hand, town dothat plenty too, so it's highly ambiguous. I'm actually going to go back and review Glyph before Adum, i.e. Glyph is higher on my iffy list. He's posted juuuuust enough to be "active" but not enough to be a big contributor. I'll post back later today about what I see in him once I go through all his posts.*

Zen, you're town IMO, but I thought your 233/234 attitude change was really scummy until you explained it away.*

BeatStick gives me townie vibes. Nich too, but I don't have a lot of concrete evidence for either and will review them later.*

Cdubs... no comment atm.*

OS is OS. His aggression doesn't mean anything to me, as he's said before that on the Internet he takes on an aggressive persona. That aggression could translate into scumhood as well, but I haven't begun to scratch the surface if all the things he's said recently- too too too much lol. His first huge post was well thought out and stunk of town to me, though.*

Rajam, now there's a scum candidate IMO. That's just the vibe I'm getting, I'll dig up some dirt on him in my later post.*

GLG is town IMO, again no evidence but vibes.*

FF is experienced enough that his failure to post could be an ingenious scumplay, but since he's so inactive the only scumtell is his inactivity. Raz is scummy IMO for the same reason, but there's insufficient data to compute a meaningful answer.

I think Luxor is town. /humor

That's where I stand right now. I'll research into Glyph, Adum, and Rajam a bit more today if the schoolnet comes back, and hopefully refine my position on those three.*

 

[Luxor]

EBWOP: Users I forgot but checked in player list:

Red Ryu- same as FF and Raz, scummy by inactivity atm.

Nabe- He's town.

Vult Redux- merits further looking into.

 

[Beat!]

You've made a large post with reasoning and stances on most players. I like it. I don't think you're confirmed town for that ofc, but it's a really good start. When can we expect to get the rest of the reviews?

 

[X1-12]

Didn't one of you say whoever was on the wagon is dumb?

Quote it bro.

 

[Beat!]

Anyone: How many people would advocate a BeatStick wagon?

THAT post?



Is this a joke? I don't buy it for a second.

Omg. Forget BeatStick. We need Zen votes.

You're dropping your first idea entirely, because of ONE single post? And one that isn't even related to me on top of that. Does that one post really make you consider me town, from previously wanting to wagon me? If not (which I'm pretty sure is the case), why didn't you say something along the lines of "BeatStick wagon can wait" instead of "Forget BeatStick"? Did you even have a reason for wanting to wagon me in the first place? Or was it just pseudo-scum hunting?

And you really need to post more. FF and Red Ryu has stated when they are going to start posting (though Ryu didn't keep his promise), cdubs and Luxor are slowly becoming more active, but you just post a few really short posts before going inactive again. I might've missed it, but I don't think you've even stated a reason.

 

[Luxor]

You've made a large post with reasoning and stances on most players. I like it. I don't think you're confirmed town for that ofc, but it's a really good start. When can we expect to get the rest of the reviews?

I can give you what I've found about Glyph now, since I wrote that up earlier . I have a free now so I'll try to dig up Rajam and Adum's pasts now too. Without further ado...

The Case Against Glyph:

Foiled so soon!

As with BoiledGoose (me/Kuz hydra in SC), pretending to be the mafia early on may actually mean you're the mafia.

Ohhhh, I have a feeling your original question meant to ask me one thing for town and one for scum, instead of two for town. From what I've seen as scum, its a good idea to hit a moderate amount of posts. Not excessive, but enough to let people know you're there and "contributing"

Well Glyph, you haven't been posting excessively, but by golly, it sure is nice to know you're there and contributing. No me gusta.

What? Where?

Followed by

Absolutely not, to both questions. I'm not saying lynch the replacement as soon as he's in, but I 100% think we should knock him back on his heels right away. If we don't Gordy really does get a Get Out of Jail Free Card.

Unless I'm misinterpreting what's going on here, Glyph goes from seeing no case against Gord/GLG to wanting to pressure him hard. I get the sense that Glyph was trying to capitalize on the moment of weakness caused by the sub. While the case was meh and the player was actively defending himself he stays out of it, but when he's vulnerable Glyph decides to attack. Scummy IMO.

Aaaaand a bit of scum huntin'.

After spending your first post entirely downplaying your ability as a mafia player, you follow up much later with a post that's...well, good. Suspiciously so. Someone who was kinda shaky on mafia terminology and the likes shouldn't have the confidence you show in that post (and others, now that I'm reading back)

So either:

1)You're bipolar, and you had a moodswing from modest to macho-man
2)You lied about how much you know/You're being coached (i.e., the scum option)
3)Some third option that I've probably overlooked

Regardless for now, I'll feel safe with my vote on you.

unvote vote Beatstick

Was Beatstick being very consistent? No. Was Beatstick outright lying about his talents? It's always a possibility, but for the moment I'm assuming no. This seems like a weak reason to vote, but more interesting is the last sentence. "I'll feel safe with my vote on you." I don't like that at all. As scum, what is not your penultimate goal to vote innocent townies out without being suspected for it? Safety is of paramount importance to scum, their top priority. Town not so much. Freudian slips ftw, amirite?


Because of all these things, I would feel "safe" with my vote on Glyph. If I find Rajam, Adum, and maybe Vult Redux less scummy than this, you can bet Glyph will have another vote next to his name in a few hours.

 

[Luxor]

Blah, technical copypaste difficulty. Middle quote is

Zen: Glyph ignores Gord being scummy
Glyph: What? Where?

In case you didn't get it. Rajam/Adum coming up next.

 

[Luxor]

am I ********?

As scum, what is not your penultimate goal to vote innocent townies out without being suspected for it?

should read more like

As scum, what is your goal but to vote...

Yeah, linguistic fail. Also treblepost.

 

[Beat!]

Do you think Glyph is mafia, or could he be indy too? Do you think,your case against Glyph is strong enough to start a wagon? If Glyph is scum, who are potential scumbuddies? If Glyph is town, who would be your #1 FoS?

I'd also really like to see thoughts on adum. Will post my own later.

 

[Luxor]

Vult Redux analysis.

Anyone: How many people would advocate a BeatStick wagon?

We could rephrase this as

Anyone: How many people would join me in lynching somebody who says it's their first game and hasn't done many scummy things? Just throwing that out there, since I don't want to be caught for scumhunting obv.

Reeks of scumhunt to me, while being carefully crafted in a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very noncommittal way. It's not, "Would anyone like to join me in a Beat lynch?" or even "Beat looks scummy, we should lynch." He totally removes any pronouns referring to himself, laying any blame for any votes Beat might get on the mysterious "people." He's literally suggesting "somebody go lead a scumhunt on Beat for me while I relax in safety." Safety is scum's true desire. This is the biggest "OMG LUUUUKSOOR HE EATS DIRT" tell. Vult Redux, if you're reading this, I want a reason for both
A. trying to start this bandwagon
B. trying to start it the way you did.

THAT post?

Is this a joke? I don't buy it for a second.

Omg. Forget BeatStick. We need Zen votes.

Upon seeing his casual offer to end Beat's game rejected by the populace, Vult has a sudden change of opinion, deciding to go after one of the town's leading voices (assuming he is town obv). Sudden changes in opinion without any evident reasoning = scumtell.

I only have one class and one club meeting tomorrow so I WILL catch up tomorrow.

Sorry.

Inactivity=scumtell. Vult has exactly 5 posts so far with any content (meaning after RVS), so it's safe to say he's either really busy IRL or scumlurking.

Yes.

I'm saying you can't conclude that because of one post and consequently "drawing" that conclusion is fake behavior.

He spearheads that first person he notices, starts pretending that he omniscient and his target obvscum, and declares reads as he goes along based off very little information.

I think your read on Zen is not genuine.

I think Zen is scummy because of above ^

I'm not taking the time to read the whole wall. Please don't make posts that long.

Zen did a number of scummy things, and even I thought he was scum. Vult seems to me to ignore any purpose Zen has behind his actions, like baiting or prying. This post isn't as scummy as the others, but I'm including it for the sake of completeness, among Vult's content-ful posts.

Okay so I literally thought that Zen was RVSing in his original Gordito vote and the followsing pressures. But when he not only continued pushing the wagon but feigned confidence in order to buy voters I got a huge scum read.

Yeah, no.

Vote: Zen

Kind of irrelevant anymore, and the only "reason" Vult has to vote Zen. Only one. At all. His line of reasoning seems faulty to me, personally.


So, Vult, respond to my question in this post or you're scum.

Rajam or Adum are next for dissection.

 

[Luxor]

Do you think Glyph is mafia, or could he be indy too? Do you think,your case against Glyph is strong enough to start a wagon? If Glyph is scum, who are potential scumbuddies? If Glyph is town, who would be your #1 FoS?

I'd also really like to see thoughts on adum. Will post my own later.

Too early to say. Reiterating this from earlier, 16 man game has 3-4 maf and 1-2 indies, yeah? I'm not too sure on my numberses.
I'd like to see Glyph try to explain away what I've said before I jump on him, same as with Vult. They could very well be scumbuddies, but with Raz, FF, Adum, and Rajam all on the suspect list I can't say for sure. If Glyph were to be lynched and flipped town, I don't think we'd get anything from it at all. FoS would naturally lead to other people on my scumlist.

@Vult Redux and Glyph: Explain... things. kthxbai

 

[Luxor]

When you guys wake up you're all going to walk into my walls of text and shout obscenities.

 

[Beat!]

Tbh I 100% prefer those walls over your previous inactivity.

 

[Beat!]

Oh, so Vult DID state when he was going to start posting? Bleh, must've missed that. I guess that means we'll see some content from him soon. Otherwise I'll be mad.

 

[Luxor]

He said he'd "catch up tomorrow" three days ago. Be mad.

Also FF disappointed me with more delays again.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'll respond to that post soon, but my badges are supposed to get in today so I'll probably be busy shipping most of today/tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Zen, start being accountable for what you say in your next post.

Vult, respond to my post #173.

OS is OS. His aggression doesn't mean anything to me, as he's said before that on the Internet he takes on an aggressive persona. That aggression could translate into scumhood as well, but I haven't begun to scratch the surface if all the things he's said recently- too too too much lol. His first huge post was well thought out and stunk of town to me, though.

What history do you have with knowing OS? How many of the players in the game are you familiar with?

GLG is town IMO, again no evidence but vibes.

So is it safe to say that this doesn't take Gord's play into account? What's your opinion w.r.t. the full playerslot of Gord/GLG?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu: You say to Zen that "his behaviour at Gordy" is making you question him. Elaborate; currently sounding unfounded and fluffy. Have you played any other games of Mafia before?

Part of his argument for going after Gordy was his experience in past games and he was pretty quick to throw a hammer at him based on that alone, it seems like he's being quick to throw legit hammers at people rather than get reliable reads.

Zen is looking pretty scummy. X1 is posting small and not really helping.

@Red Ryu
If Zen and X1 are definitely suspicious to you, who's on your town list?

X1 is trying to distance himself at this point, confirmed town? I'm getting a town vibe from you but not really anyone after that. I'll need to keep looking around and continue hunting before I can get more town vibes.

You have been a lot more helpful in scum hunting than Zen has.

My claims are never random (if that's what you mean by wild). I have reasoning for everything I say. There hasn't been a single thing that I have said that I do not have reasoning for. Just because you don't agree with my reasoning doesn't mean I don't have it.

Do you have reasoning for claiming I hope to get lucky? That's a pretty wild claim there and very hypocritical.

You were pretty quick to jump off the Gordy claim and go after another person as if you lost your claim on him when called on it.

Your hoping that others think like you do with a person which is where the "hope you get lucky" part came from. You may have reasoning but your quick to jump ship when people don't follow your lead.

Get in the game..

And can you respond to this. You ignoring makes me just take it that you don't disagree: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12004540&postcount=120

Doesn't mean your town, the fact you continued with that reasoning which I found half of it flawed with out game experience and your argument seemed to rely on it too much.

I don't think your town either.

You really think I care why they view and leave? All I care about is their response, duh. Scum are scum so they will be weary of everything they do and respond in excuse form. Town just don't think anything of it. At least that's the basic read.

Overswarm I'm not dumb. I'm not going to think someone is scummy for that. I just want scum to think it's scummy.

Not that it matters anymore.

Eye roll my I's at you.

Why even ask this question then? This question doesn't seem to have a purpose if you don't care for the reasoning they are going to leave?

@Red Ryu: Please pull up 1 quote or series of quotes where I rode on Zen's claims

Well then,

Man no-one even comments on me ****ing about...

Fortunately I've just been given a gift from the heavens, listing every player like that when there is definitely nothing to say about them is probably the stongest standard tell there is


Unvote
Vote: Gordito

After Zen starts his, Lynch Gordy, you seemed to jump right on the bandwagon.

Pile em on guys

You immediately ask people to jump on when Zen was the only person to post, pretty quick to get people to jump on, maybe to hide your scum buddies perhaps?

If you post without voting gordito, I expect you to explain why you are not, despite the fact that its the most pro-town thing to do at this point. Zen is the only exception to this rule because he is a dude

You tell people that if they want to look like town they should vote on Gordy. But the message you are sending is, "vote Gordy or your next to be lynched" Why are were you getting people to follow the Zen bandwagon and make it seem like you were contributing stuff like this.

Are you ****ing simple or something son?

Instead of giving reasoning you tell off another saying they are dumb for not jumping on the band wagon to thinking list = scum for Gordy.

Ok I will plain ignore you until he is dead, and upon his scum flip, you are dead.


@Adum: the fact you posted your #63 (particularly paragraph 3) makes it ok to vote Gboy now. Please do so.

More tells off to get your point in as well as demanding Adum follow the lead.

This whole thing with limited reasoning and rebuttal makes it look like your quick to jump on other bandwagons heck even your votes have looked like you jump on whoever you want to get someone lynched.

You vote and drop it constantly on multiple people. You don't stick to people or go investigating you seem to just let other people do it rather than you making anything legit.

@People who didn't get the post on time: packer game is making work at a grocery store pretty busy getting ready for the Friday, Saturday rush. >_< Sorry.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also if I missed a response or something just let me know.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Luxor, after answering 345, tell me what you think of 346.

 

[Luxor]

Will post when I get home.

 

[X1-12]

@Red Ryu: Nothing you pulled up showed or explained how I rode Zen's claims, which is what I asked you for

 

[Rajam]

Right now my other strong scum suspect is raziek, and rajam would be next. I would be okay with dying for reads, but I'd rather help town vocally then with the reads you might gain with my death.

Zen, I'll reread tomorrow and I'll have to check the manner in which x1 and nabe defended me to give you an answer on if they are scum based off of how they did it.


So basically you don't have any experience with gord meta is what you're saying? How does saying adumb is town relate to being wishy washy? And if gord is scum, why would his public opinion influence adum's death if gord already knows he thinks adum is town it won't have any affect on him being night killed by gord.



Quick question, if I get lynched and I flip town, what alignment would it put these three?
If I get lynched and I were to flip scum, what alignment would these three be?

If Gord/glg flips town or indy, X1 would be my main suspect, the "gambit" thing would lose a lot of credibility. Raziek, who iirc is still keeping a vote on him with the "when in Rome, do as romans do" excuse and the "going with the flow". Glyph should be looked too, his vote on 79 would look wagon-jumping. OS and Zen would lose some town points as well.

If he flips mafia, then we'd have to analyze his questions on 29 and see which ones look like a bus. I'd say serious questions which don't demand much work are probably a bus. In that regard probably his scummates would be BeatStick, Vult Redux. Glyph would gain town points due to his 79, which doesn't seem like a bus at all. Nich's 70 probably indicates both glg and Nich can't be mafia, same with Raziek & glg due to 109. Probably adumb wouldn't be mafia due to his 96, but that's not a really strong disconnection. OS, X1 and Zen would be insta-no-mafia.

 

[Rajam]

OS ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

RAJAM READ MY POSTS

ZEN STOP BULL****TING

/capslock

Your "gambit" is BS. You know that. Once gord flips town you're next

And you should read my posts too, you totally ignored my question:

"I would't be surprised at all if X1 flips scum, although he is just playing recklessly with votes and dumbly ignoring certain players like me or Nich. Also how can you say you weren't putting much attention on Gord's posts when you were pressuring him a lot? That's hella scummy... X1, what's your mafia record as town, or what's your win/loss ratio as town aprox (same question as scum)? I'm really interested in how effective this playstyle has been for you"

 

[X1-12]

@Rajam: Firstly know that in a game that Gordito just finished modding, I claimed N0 cop. Gordito knew it was a gambit, as did Nabe (#67 & #78). Secondly think really hard about what possible reason anyone as scum would have doing as I did.


Town Losses : 5
Town Wins: 2

Scum Losses: 2
Scum Wins: 2

 

[Xiivi]

9/16|01.27.10 11:59AM EST

votee|voters
frozenflame751|Red Ryu/

Overswarm|giraffelasergun/Cdubs1987/Overswarm/X1-12/Zεη/

giraffelasergun|Raziek/Rajam/

X1-12|Nicholas1024/

Zεη|Vult Redux/adumbrodeus/

Luxor|Nabe/

Beatstick|Glyph/

Red Ryu|BeatStick/

No Vote|frozenflame751/Luxor/

 

[Luxor]

I'll respond to that post soon, but my badges are supposed to get in today so I'll probably be busy shipping most of today/tomorrow.

Rolls eyes.

What history do you have with knowing OS? How many of the players in the game are you familiar with?

So is it safe to say that this doesn't take Gord's play into account? What's your opinion w.r.t. the full playerslot of Gord/GLG?

This is my first non-hydra game of forum mafia, so I'm utterly unfamiliar with any of OS's past play. I believe the statement in question came from a particularly heated discussion in the Brawl boards. Outside of mafia... I'm not really familiar with any of these guys, actually. Take anything I say with the recommended daily serving of salt, and double that.
I was taking Gord into account too. I tentatively believe Gord/GLG are town.

Luxor, after answering 345, tell me what you think of 346.

v v v

Part of his argument for going after Gordy was his experience in past games and he was pretty quick to throw a hammer at him based on that alone, it seems like he's being quick to throw legit hammers at people rather than get reliable reads.

Zen is looking pretty scummy. X1 is posting small and not really helping.

I wish X1 would post more meaningful content as well. But Zen didn't start the Gorditowagon, X1 did with his "gambit." Personally, I'm willing to give Zen and X1 the benefit of the doubt on that whole affair.

X1 is trying to distance himself at this point, confirmed town? I'm getting a town vibe from you but not really anyone after that. I'll need to keep looking around and continue hunting before I can get more town vibes.

You have been a lot more helpful in scum hunting than Zen has.

Looks like I got a new buddy.

You were pretty quick to jump off the Gordy claim and go after another person as if you lost your claim on him when called on it.

Your hoping that others think like you do with a person which is where the "hope you get lucky" part came from. You may have reasoning but your quick to jump ship when people don't follow your lead.

Doesn't mean your town, the fact you continued with that reasoning which I found half of it flawed with out game experience and your argument seemed to rely on it too much.

I don't think your town either.

Why even ask this question then? This question doesn't seem to have a purpose if you don't care for the reasoning they are going to leave?

Well then,

After Zen starts his, Lynch Gordy, you seemed to jump right on the bandwagon.

You immediately ask people to jump on when Zen was the only person to post, pretty quick to get people to jump on, maybe to hide your scum buddies perhaps?

You tell people that if they want to look like town they should vote on Gordy. But the message you are sending is, "vote Gordy or your next to be lynched" Why are were you getting people to follow the Zen bandwagon and make it seem like you were contributing stuff like this.

Instead of giving reasoning you tell off another saying they are dumb for not jumping on the band wagon to thinking list = scum for Gordy.

More tells off to get your point in as well as demanding Adum follow the lead.

This whole thing with limited reasoning and rebuttal makes it look like your quick to jump on other bandwagons heck even your votes have looked like you jump on whoever you want to get someone lynched.

You vote and drop it constantly on multiple people. You don't stick to people or go investigating you seem to just let other people do it rather than you making anything legit.

@People who didn't get the post on time: packer game is making work at a grocery store pretty busy getting ready for the Friday, Saturday rush. >_< Sorry.

I was thinking the same thing X1 was thinking while reading this: RR doesn't really address X1's point here. X1 started the original Gorditowagon, but he saw that Zen would go along before he started.
Overall, this post of RR's doesn't make him seem less-potentially-scummy to me. You could summarize this whole post as "no u." I don't like it, but I'm not liking Vult/Glyph more. That what you wanted, Nabe?

If Gord/glg flips town or indy, X1 would be my main suspect, the "gambit" thing would lose a lot of credibility. Raziek, who iirc is still keeping a vote on him with the "when in Rome, do as romans do" excuse and the "going with the flow". Glyph should be looked too, his vote on 79 would look wagon-jumping. OS and Zen would lose some town points as well.

If he flips mafia, then we'd have to analyze his questions on 29 and see which ones look like a bus. I'd say serious questions which don't demand much work are probably a bus. In that regard probably his scummates would be BeatStick, Vult Redux. Glyph would gain town points due to his 79, which doesn't seem like a bus at all. Nich's 70 probably indicates both glg and Nich can't be mafia, same with Raziek & glg due to 109. Probably adumb wouldn't be mafia due to his 96, but that's not a really strong disconnection. OS, X1 and Zen would be insta-no-mafia.

A lot of content in here, but I'm not so interested in what might happen as in what you think is happening now. Rajam, I'd like to hear your take on the present state of affairs.

...and I'm not doing that other summary I mentioned earlier. Too lazy.

 

[Luxor]

Whoa, OS has a lot of votes. I feel confident in my research and up-to-dateness now, so

vote Vult Redux

I already outlined why he's scummy. Way scummier than OS imo.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Red Ryu: Nothing you pulled up showed or explained how I rode Zen's claims, which is what I asked you for

The second has you explaining little to nothing and ridingon Zen's vote for Gordy claim. Then again ypu tend to explain very little as is and just vote people.

 

[X1-12]

All I wanted on gordito was votes, and to see who would or would not vote him when asked/threatened. Zen's case is and always has been bull**** and I don't associate myself with it.

 

[Overswarm]

All I wanted on gordito was votes, and to see who would or would not vote him when asked/threatened. Zen's case is and always has been bull**** and I don't associate myself with it.

Except you did and then later said "lol guys, just playin'". And we don't believe you.

If you were Frozen Flame, myself, or Adumbrodeus, I could maaaaaybe see it. FF is pretty clever and both myself and adumbrodeus have been known to do gambits before. But we never actually state "just kidding guys" because that ruins the point of them and shifts the attention to us (except in this game, where Adumb has said things implying that he was pulling one, but I haven't looked much into that yet).


@mod

Please put deadlines and # of votes required to lynch in votecounts please.


There are a LOT of people being questioned that aren't answering anything.

Vult, imma start with you since you were most recently on the page. Address Luxor's posts against you, and we can move from there.

 

[X1-12]

I will accept that I rode Zen's claim when I see a quote which specifically shows it. Explain this, do not just state the same thing over and over.

You are now refusing to accept that It could be a gambit because it was done by me, well I respond to that in two ways.

1.) I recently pulled a N0 cop claim and used it to lynch two scum in Youtube Memes Mafia, although there is still some debate on how effective it was, there was undeniably a gambit there.

2.) The only non-gambit alternative was that I purposely drew massive attention to myself on the first page by legitimately attempting to push a lynch through repeating a completely false statement as though it were hard fact. Do you believe this to be the case? Talk about how likely you think this alternative is, and what any scum player would gain from doing such.