unvote
Gord can wait one more day imo. Also I'm changing my pending case on Red Ryu onto someone who strongly called my attention lately:
19:
Jeez Red Ryu you're in every game I am ever seems like.
Confirming!
On Glyph's 1st post he immediatly felt the urge to make a disconnection and hence gain a town feel around him, or at least make us know he isn't associated with Red Ryu. Likely a bus
20:
This is exactly what scum would say.
Vote: Glyph
Same as before, Vult building a disconnection with Glyph through an early vote which could perfectly fit as a bus
21:
This is the same reaction as Gord with the picture, though because there's actually no picture, it's more invisible. This is hardly the way town would react, and probably was posted with the intention to strengthen the disconnection with Vult
23:
24:
31:
Maybe we are stalking each other?
Dumb interaction between Red Ryu and Glyph, probably with the goal to show us they aren't together using the perception that scum wouldn't address each other in such a ridiculous way
25:
Vote for Glyph PLEASE.
I will make it worth your while.
Same as Vult's 20. Due to how early this was in RVS with no one else pressuring Glyph, this bus was pretty safe
29:
5. Glyph
Lol DRoom maf. From all of the experience you've learned from mafia so far, what's one big thing you think is important to keep in mind as town, and one important thing to keep in mind as town? Yes, please answer.
Gord making a serious question which demands some work on Glyph. It is an early indication that both Gord and Glyph probably aren't scummates
42:
Flavor is not a basis for a lynch. Especially with Xiivi as the mod hahaha. A big issue I had last game was not looking at the motivations of people posting. Like right now, most of our posts are for comedic value, simply because we don't have anything to go off of yet.
Onto other stuff:
Its been a long time since I played Path of Radiance, but should we entertain the possibility of a Laguz (sp?) party as well as mafia? And what kind of roles would a person who can turn into an animal have?
The serious response, with the touch of the soft laughter
hahaha emphasizes what I said before. Then, Glyph tries to look useful starting flavor conversation about mechanics which we would never come to a conclusion on Day 1 without major info like some flips or game mechanics
43:
-Nich derails from Gord.
-Glyph ignores Gord being scummy.
Important point noted by Zen
45:
What. Where?
Ohhhh, I have a feeling your original question meant to ask me one thing for town and one for scum, instead of two for town. From what I've seen as scum, its a good idea to hit a moderate amount of posts. Not excessive, but enough to let people know you're there and "contributing"
The
What. Where? is addressed to Zen. Due to the disconnection between Gord and Glyph, Glyph did not ignore the case on Gord due to both being scummates, but because he didn't actually see anything scummy because Glyph knew he isn't mafia, so he saw everything as just honest reactions from Gord. btw the last paragraph is just more confirmation of Gord and Glyph not being scummates.
49:
Glyph isn't Gordito's scumbuddy.
Point noted by Zen as well
79:
Vote: Gordy
Gordito right now there is a surprisingly substantial case built up against you, largely by Zen. Why do you think he's taken such an interest in you? (I only want HIS answer by the way gents)
Once he get called on it (not seeing Gord's being scummy), Glyph sees an opening and wagons on Gord. Just now, on post 79, he actually starts "scum-hunting", if we could call this kind of wagon-jumping a scumhunt. Surprised he just mentions Zen's case and doesn't say anything about X1's case, like, if Gord were to flip town, Zen would be the major and almost only responsible for it
103:
Okay so I literally thought that Zen was RVSing in his original Gordito vote and the followsing pressures. But when he not only continued pushing the wagon but feigned confidence in order to buy voters I got a huge scum read.
Yeah, no.
Vote: Zen
Vult inducing distrust on Zen when he, besides being on Gord's case, starts to notice little stuffs on Glyph's connections as well
107:
was your glyph vote rvs?
Also are you saying that you don't believe glyph and gord aren't scumbuddies? The way glyph was reacting shows that they aren't. Only one could. That's not to say GLyph is town. Gord just isn't his scumbuddy.
Raziek asking Vult this after Vult's vote on Zen. Until now this hasn't been answered by Vult. Gordito can't be cleared if Glyph were to flip scum; they need to keep him in the scum side
110:
Again, I will stress that Nabe and Glyph ALSO parrotted and hopped the wagon with no real reasoning.
10 This
112:
Raz, I don't need to produce groundbreaking evidence to vote for someone, nor do I need to BS a new one. You're incriminating me for something that HAS to happen on every train today(unless all 9 people can find new information for each vote).
But you could've give your impressions on Gord's scummy acts, like the picture reaction, or the "let me live some more days". You didn't add anything substancial in the post you voted (79); as said before, you just parrotted your way onto the wagon
113:
Again, I will stress that Nabe and Glyph ALSO parrotted and hopped the wagon with no real reasoning.
More people getting the same impression
156:
Gordito with fake content.
Red Ryu with RVS vote.
Glyph with pointless content.
Vult with RVS
Glyph again posting bull****.
Cdubs "confirming"
Stalker be a mafia role, sir.
Glyph says "or am I stalking you?" immediately after. This is stupid.
Vult being silly with pointless content.
In no particular order my brain said it's important to watch:
Red Ryu and Glyph
OS also sees Glyph's "contributions" as dumb. I also agree the initial interaction between Glyph and Red Ryu is... interesting
158:
Absolutely not, to both questions. I'm not saying lynch the replacement as soon as he's in, but I 100% think we should knock him back on his heels right away. If we don't Gordy really does get a Get Out of Jail Free Card.
OS I'm also curious to see what youtube link that is (the censor ate 3 of the letters).
Glyph's response on how to treat the replacement of Gord. Pretty easy issue to address and discuss imo while trying to look useful pro-town. Null read mostly, that is, this post shouldn't give any town-points to Glyph
159:
Aaaaand a bit of scum huntin'.
After spending your first post entirely downplaying your ability as a mafia player, you follow up much later with a post that's...well, good. Suspiciously so. Someone who was kinda shaky on mafia terminology and the likes shouldn't have the confidence you show in that post (and others, now that I'm reading back)
So either:
1)You're bipolar, and you had a moodswing from modest to macho-man
2)You lied about how much you know/You're being coached (i.e., the scum option)
3)Some third option that I've probably overlooked
Regardless for now, I'll feel safe with my vote on you.
unvote vote Beatstick
Although the scumhunting on BeatStick is pretty decent (an allegedly new player already pretty good on mafia online), I'm very suspicious of how he opens this case, with the phrase "
Aaaaand a bit of scum huntin'." Why would you say that? So everyone else would say to themselves "
ok this guy is town because is scum-hunting"? To leave a good impression? Anyways I can't imagine a town player opening a case with this kind of statement, which also nullifies the purpose of the scumhunt if you already tell to your target you're trying to trap him. Mostly, that opening sentence is hardly what a town player would put imo
162:
Glyph/Luxor also looking scummy iirc.
X1, care to explain why specifically the couple Glyph/Luxor is suspicious?
167:
Ok, keeping it short:
Glyph, I never said that I was shaky on terminology. I said that I was familiar with almost all terms. But w/e.
You say that my post was good. Does that mean you agree with my reads? If not, could you please post your stances? Also, how would you feel about a Luxor lynch if no one joins your wagon?
Glyph, I checked and you didn't say anything about your case on BeatStick, which he is answering here. btw this is a question you haven't answered yet. Please do so
237: In this post Vult is defending Glyph by casting suspicion on Zen. His second statement is of those general affirmations which I don't really support because you actually have to analyze in a case by case basis. Vult do you always believe you can't deduce stuff from one post, or would you be willing to be more analytical and actually look at the initial Gord/Glyph disconnection?
244: Glyph with just a filler post. If anything this could be interpreted as a weak disconnection between him and adumbrodeus
245:
Glyph would not have been clueless to my Gordito pressure in his #45 if they were scummates. Even if they were and he missed me targeting Gordito, he would not so openly show that he was oblivious to it. You see? It's difficult me to show others what I see in these kind of situations, but I do have reasoning.
100 This
This is also a very interesting post, since I agree with many points Zen is presenting here, like for example, the Gord town -> Red Ryu scum likely connection, or the call out on Vult not reading much
295:
Glyph is probably town, just too easily influenced by long words and/or long posts.
Luxor is scum
LOL @ the first sentence. X1 tell us from where did you get this impression (Glyph town AND Glyph being influenced by long words/posts)
Also why is it that you moved from Glyph/Luxor scum onto just Luxor scum and Glyph town (if anything I'd say it's the opposite)
329:
Glyph is interesting as well. He said he was going scumhunting and found some flaw that made BeatStick a target for his vote. I'm really starting to dislike that play- it was almost jokingly done, but that joking is how scum cover up their scumminess. On the other hand, town dothat plenty too, so it's highly ambiguous. I'm actually going to go back and review Glyph before Adum, i.e. Glyph is higher on my iffy list. He's posted juuuuust enough to be "active" but not enough to be a big contributor. I'll post back later today about what I see in him once I go through all his posts.*
A resume of my first impressions and my thought on his case on BeatStick when I thought on Glyph after I saw something very scummy which I'll address in the end
334:
Unless I'm misinterpreting what's going on here, Glyph goes from seeing no case against Gord/GLG to wanting to pressure him hard. I get the sense that Glyph was trying to capitalize on the moment of weakness caused by the sub. While the case was meh and the player was actively defending himself he stays out of it, but when he's vulnerable Glyph decides to attack. Scummy IMO.
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Was Beatstick being very consistent? No. Was Beatstick outright lying about his talents? It's always a possibility, but for the moment I'm assuming no. This seems like a weak reason to vote, but more interesting is the last sentence. "I'll feel safe with my vote on you." I don't like that at all. As scum, what is not your penultimate goal to vote innocent townies out without being suspected for it? Safety is of paramount importance to scum, their top priority. Town not so much. Freudian slips ftw, amirite?
334 is the full case of Luxor against Glyph. I'm quoting just the most relevants points which I agree the most
344:
I'll respond to that post soon, but my badges are supposed to get in today so I'll probably be busy shipping most of today/tomorrow.
ok...
355:
Luxor's response on Glyph's badges john, indicating Luxor's disapprove on what would possibly mean a lower activity by Glyph's part
380: Finally, Glyph's responses to Luxor's case, and what strongly picked my attention. Most of these answer (if not all of them) can hardly be the way someone being town would respond:
Or it may just be a joke made really early on in the game.
Definitely this isn't the way someone being town would respond (Zen explained it earlier pretty clear with Jimmy's example)
*remembers his reaction on 21*
I'll be honest this is my favorite point you found.
See, in mafia, its BAD to lynch town and good to lynch scum. One might even go so far as to say its "dangerous" to lynch town. Ergo, would it not make sense to consider a vote on someone you considered to be scum, "safe"?
If someone believes this is how town would react please raise your hand. The first sentence which is an indirect disparagement towards Luxor's case is a natural reaction of someone being guilty of charges after the very first moments of panic and silence. This gets accentuated by the second paragraph which is unnatural on an inocent person being accused of guilty. After the very first moments of when guilty is accused of guilty, a little of calm comes due to the person actually trying to keep it cool, maybe accompanied with some laughter, and these kind of reactions appear, as opposed as when an innocent person is being accused, after the very first moments of shock and silence of being accused of guilty the tension and panic starts to raise and it's almost impossible to control fear and emotions of desperation
@Everyone: If you're unsure about the validity of my badge claim:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=287574
And finally, this is what strongly picked my attention. He somehow believed no one would believe the validity of his badges stuff. Since he knows its truth, he strongly clings to it to try to prove he is innocent, and felt the urge to post it. A town player would've realized the badge thing has been irrelevant and never used as a case against him, so no point in linking it because Glyph never was pursued by his johns
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So in the end, Glyph has been only addressing easy issues, barely two scumhunts (the announced one on BeatStick, and the wagon jump on Gord), and a bunch of reactions which can hardly be attributed as town reactions. Scum Glyph would mean Vult is almost surely scum too, and Red Ryu + X1 should be in the public eye as well. Can't see Glyph being town at all
vote: Glyph
. Its been fun playing with you guys.
