Kantrip
Kantplay
No offense taken. This is a situation where I do agree I haven't pulled my wait. I want to try to do at least something.
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Fire and Lightning Mafia - Game Over!!!
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Kantrip
Kantplay
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Fuuuuu- That one bugs me.
Anyways, reading Rajam's posts as I said.
Fuuuuu- That one bugs me.
Anyways, reading Rajam's posts as I said.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I hope you do realize that if you/Raz don't convince me of Ryker, then Raziek will die.
I do look forward to the results of the reread.
votecount:
3 to lynch, crossvotes by Ryk and Raz atm.
I do look forward to the results of the reread.
votecount:
3 to lynch, crossvotes by Ryk and Raz atm.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
vote raziek
No problem with 3 to lynch.
No problem with 3 to lynch.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
request votecount
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Wait, what?
How do you figure this?
If I'm scum I'd kill you, leaving me with Kantrip.
If I'm Town (and I am), Ryker's going to kill Kantrip because he's more inclined to side with me.
Having WIFOM come into play almost certainly means you're going to be the decider, but why would you lynch me immediately if you survived? It's entirely WIFOM and you can't just insta-lynch me if I'm Town.....
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
You'd die because we're finishing this today (I rather not let someone elsw decide when I die) and my position this game is simply better than Kantrip's, he'll eventually vote you to prevent a no lynch.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Nah man. You don't get to hold me at gunpoint just because you feel like it.
You can't force Kantrip to vote for me if he doesn't think I'm scum, nor can he do the same to you.
I'd rather take the WIFOM blanket than have one person vote for a choice they don't agree with, be it you or Kantrip.
Simple reason: I'm Town, and IDGAF if you think I'm scum. If he doesn't, he shouldn't vote me.
Now ask yourself a few simple questions:
1) How good is Rajam at this game?
2) Observe that Rajam expressed suspicion on Ryker for THE ENTIRE GAME. If I REALLY wanted Ryker gone, do you really think I'd have my scummate bus him the ENTIRE GAME? It's a ****ty distancing attempt by a subpar player. Rajam's not even in our timezone, so unless they're actively using the QT there's no real-time communication and may be playing completely without it.
I have played with Rajam as scum. My very first game was Death Note, and Rajam, Pado and I won that game thanks to a clutch gambit on my part. Rajam's distancing is weak and forced. I wish Death Note Mafia was visible so I could show you, but this false suspicion we saw all game is ****ty distancing.
I'm going to go through Rajam's posts and get all the relevant ones.
You can't force Kantrip to vote for me if he doesn't think I'm scum, nor can he do the same to you.
I'd rather take the WIFOM blanket than have one person vote for a choice they don't agree with, be it you or Kantrip.
Simple reason: I'm Town, and IDGAF if you think I'm scum. If he doesn't, he shouldn't vote me.
Now ask yourself a few simple questions:
1) How good is Rajam at this game?
2) Observe that Rajam expressed suspicion on Ryker for THE ENTIRE GAME. If I REALLY wanted Ryker gone, do you really think I'd have my scummate bus him the ENTIRE GAME? It's a ****ty distancing attempt by a subpar player. Rajam's not even in our timezone, so unless they're actively using the QT there's no real-time communication and may be playing completely without it.
I have played with Rajam as scum. My very first game was Death Note, and Rajam, Pado and I won that game thanks to a clutch gambit on my part. Rajam's distancing is weak and forced. I wish Death Note Mafia was visible so I could show you, but this false suspicion we saw all game is ****ty distancing.
I'm going to go through Rajam's posts and get all the relevant ones.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
What's the purpose of posting this?
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Read up to post #40. Not liking Gorf; several posts with no real content, even less any attempt of scumhunting. Just trying to give a fake impression of "collaboration" imo
Up to post #120
What reasoning? Up to this point you were basically snowballing from 1 post...
Don't know if someone asked you later, but... why?
Also, your posts are irrelevant, you don't scumhunt, and after posting some little lines of nothing, you go away... classic scum play
Your scum picks?
Almost caught up. Digging some stuff from D1's latest posts
Given the mechanics of this game, some usual scum tells do not apply here, as for example, not scumhunting, because of what I said earlier. kuz was in real danger of dying D1 due to the uncap thing, and in the confrontation with Hipster of who would survive based on traits like who was less scummy / most useful, he passed a null tell as an scum tell. That adds him an unfair "being useful" aura, and also could be read as willingness to lynch anyone which is still a scum tell in this game.
Regarding the uncap of toDay, still not sure, hence why I'm not yet uncapping anyone
Ryker is still scummy though, but because of what I said D1: After his initial burst, he went silent mode, which I read as "ok, gained town points. I'm not dying toDay so that's cool"
I'm cool with either kuz or Ryker dying toDay. I have a third candidate but I want to observe him a little longer before mentioning him and explaining why he's scum
Who said D1 Dooms would replace out as scum?
AND THIS IS JUST DAY 1. He's distancing the ENTIRE DAY, from RVS all the way through to lynch and into Day 2.
Continuing on with his Day 2 onward posts.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
After-post note.
Most of the quotes are responses to Ryker or a DIRECT chainsaw on someone talking about Ryker. Please click and read each post in context, all the links are there.
Most of the quotes are responses to Ryker or a DIRECT chainsaw on someone talking about Ryker. Please click and read each post in context, all the links are there.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Not fully caught up yet but I'm making a break so I'll go with what has called my attention:
10this. KevinM's case isn't even a case. He's centering it about the thing kuz said that Dooms would replace out as scum... Dooms was scummy on D1 based on his pop-in-pop-out posts with no content. I don't recall you attacking Dooms D1 though (I barely remember some contribution from you, for example, that you were on Brosuke for the role PM thing, then on Circus for inactivity?, and then finally jumped on July). What happened with Brosuke and Circus? Now that J replaced Dooms my suspicion on the player slot has dropped to null; I can see he's contributing but since he inherited Dooms' role he started as a scum read to me by default. Anyways KevM don't forget my question here about what happened with Brosuke and Circus
I also fully support this case on KevM. Basically I don't really care if we lynch Ryker or KevM toDay. I picked Ryker for the sake of choosing someone (actually, In case of a tie I'll always vote for Ryker to die
More or less answered in the previous quote. I don't think it's wifom since I think wifom is something where, after all possible analysis and gathering of current evidence, both opposing options have about the same chance of being the right answer (that is, no conclusive answer can be withdrawn). The uncaps of D1 and now D2 plus the behaviors of both Ryker and KevM makes me believe the chances of them being scum are a lot better than 50~50.
Also for the record, I was pushing on both Ryker and KevM equally and I think I was on Ryker slightly harder.
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Not liking Raziek. Not saying his scumpicks at the beginning of D2 when it was obvious people was gonna ask him due to few contribution D1 is stalling.
J is null. Circus too due to inactivity. Not sure about Soupamario, after all I think he's leaning town despite the string of posts showing him being not-assertive that I quoted earlier D2
I'll read kuz' QT later and say what I think of it
Liking Brosuke and Dark Horse
I still like my vote where it is, but I'll join a KevM lynch toDay if it comes to it.
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And now...
wtf is this... first:
uncap: Brosuke
I'll be reading the implications of this claim later. Just want to ask the rest of the players one question:
Do you think lynching Gorf toDay is a good idea? Personally I don't, but if someone thinks somehow it is the best course of action, please speak. If this claim is indeed true (?) and Gorf is Fire-Mafia, I think we should aim now to lynch someone scummy but that we think it's not Gorf's partner; I think we should aim to lynch a Lightning-Mafia. If we reduce the situation to 1 Fire and 1 Lightning, they'll most likely get desperate and try to incap the opposing Mafia, which is the best possible situation for town toNight
Ryker is clearly not Gorf's partner and somehow I support Gorf here that we should lynch Ryker toDay. More reasons to love my current vote
They've been setting me up to be thrown under the bus since the MOMENT THAT CIRCUS CLAIMED.
Think about that.
Up until Circus's claim, Rajam had been distancing Ryker the whole game. Not a damn word about me besides his read lists.
Then, Kevin claims the results on Ryker and I.
An opportunity! If Rajam flips scum, Ryker sends me down with the ship as having to be his partner! At the same time, Rajam is pushing the Raziek/Ryker from the moment of the claim, KNOWING that if Ryker flips scum, then he can get me mislynched under this scenario.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
More of the same. Setting me up to die.
CRUCIAL NOTE: RIGHT after this last quoted post was when I called Rajam out as scum.
WHY would I do that right then if Rajam was my scum partner?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Both of these are again pressing fake suspicion on Ryker. Note that his read on Ryker remains constant the WHOLE game. Note that he NEVER actually pursues his pressure.
You make no sense. You say you're more sold on Ryker/someone_else and yet your vote is on me supported by Ryker's suspicion?? Did you even see my case on Ryker? Seems people is disregarding it because it was something that happened at the beginning of the game, nonetheless I think it's a valid point. Ryker has no case on anyone, and never had after Gorf's flip, because he was mainly tunneling him, and after that he has been omgus'ing on people who call him scum. He called Circus at the beginning of D2 for inactivity and not doing anything when Raziek was "doing" the same thing, yet Ryker didn't call on him.
I've been pressing Ryker since D1's end, and during D2 while neither Gorf nor Circus had still claimed. You should do a re-read nonetheless, since scum will keep you around if you just let yourself convince by only current stuff ignoring past connections and disconnections specially now that the comp cop is dead. You should specially see the early interaction Ryker-kuz and how based on that almost irrelevant issue Ryker wanted to gain town points, and also see how Ryker has ignored Raz despite Raz hasn't done anything the whole game and only started to pressure Ryker after Circus claimed comp cop plus his results and Gorf+KevM surrendered.
This is his final posts. He goes down continuing to spout the Raz/Ryker pair that is their last shot at winning the game, by trying to incriminate me as scum the WHOLE game.
Ask yourself one more time:
If I was the remaining scum, why would I have Rajam distance/bus Ryker the ENTIRE game and then throw me under the bus as soon as the comparison cop came out with the results?
Rajam was infinitely LESS likely to survive than I was, especially if Ryker was lynched in Ryker vs. J. Why would I screw over my last chance at victory by having him suddenly switch to me?
Combine that with the opportunistic jump of Ryker's onto me during RykervsJ, instead of Rajam, and as far as I'm concerned, that's damning.
Ryker. Is. Scum.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
EBWOP: " the WHOLE game." is incorrect. He didn't really do anything until after Circus claimed, which is the whole point. Post was hastily written, sorry for the confusion.
Kantrip
Kantplay
I'm really terrible at quoting within quotes, so this is missing some stuff that helps put it into context. If you need the context just click to go to the post and read it there.
1. The "catch-up" thing was a guise.
2. He cared about responding to Ryker's post over other events.
This is like the fifth time Rajam has said the same point about Ryker again. It's getitng redundant, and Rajam isn't even doing it to push a Ryker lynch or bring it to anyone's attention. He was literally doing it just so he could be seen opposing Ryker (distancing).
Brosuke, do you too notice that Rajam is always mentioning this suspicion and yet not acting on it at all? I'd think Ryker would be putting him in his place for this kind of weak suspicion, but Ryker didn't want to bring attention to it.
This is scummy to say. I feel like I'm making a completely redundant wall though, because all of Rajam's posts were completely redundant. Like, he uses every post to say a huge "don't forget I am pressuring Ryker" to town. Every. Post.
And BAM, saved from having to stick to his Ryker vote again.
. Otherwise this shouldn't be addressed because Rajam knew by virtue of being scum partners with only ONE of these two players that he was lying. I'm not going to try to dissect a pile of scum lies.
I'm actually more sold about Rykerscum after reading Rajam's posts.
TL;DR
Basically it comes down to how Rajam's scum play goes, and I don't know this. With Ryker he was voicing suspicion continuously throughout the course of the game, whereas with Raziek he hardly even mentioned him and when he did it was just to say that Raziek was null leaning scummy.
A lot of Rajam's behaviour with Ryker was redundant, and a really condemning point is how Ryker and Rajam voted yesterDay. Here is a rundown:
Ryker vs J is happening. Rajam says it is Scum VS Scum. Then he concludes that Ryker is scum and holds to the points he has spewed ALL GAME. Then when it seems a lynch might happen, Rajam PUTS HIS VOTE ON RAZIEK, claiming "they're scum together anyways so it doesn't matter which one goes first".
In Ryker's case: Ryker vs J is happening. J raises the notion that they should consider the possibility of TvT. Ryker agrees and they back off. Ryker PUTS HIS VOTE ON RAZIEK, even though Rajam scum. This is obviously to save his partner, similarly to what Raj did around the same time. The only reason Rajam was lynched instead was because Brosuke turned it that way.
Pretend Vote: Ryker
Rajam asked this to Ryker, and the better question would be: "What's the purpose of posting THIS?" After reading all these quotes I have compiled, it is pretty obvious that Rajam's main goal all game was to coast while distancing Ryker. It shows.
Quoting this because of the context that Rajam was responding to what Ryker asked as a general question. That Rajam was never caught up, and yet took this ONE INSTANCE to reply to a current even indicates that
1. The "catch-up" thing was a guise.
2. He cared about responding to Ryker's post over other events.
Again responding to Ryker, and I realized around here that Rajam does this A LOT. The bulk of Rajam's game was revolving around Ryker, and the majority of THAT is about Rajam's continued suspicion of Ryker. Rajam calls Ryker scum ALL GAME (seriously, it starts D1 and goes until Rajam gets lynched) but nothing becomes of that. It was just distancing, after all.
Both Raziek and Ryker are in null for weak reasons in this post, so it doesn't make one have a different connection than the other, but it's just something. I think having a null on Ryker is kind of unwarranted at the point of the game this was posted in for Rajam, which is why I'm more inclined to say Ryker is the scum partner.
This is when Rajam starts to bring his read on Ryker down. I have a feeling this was an instructed thing, since "going silent-mode" is pretty weak reasoning considering his nulls on other players for the same thing. Rajam is bringing his Ryker read down as a distancing attempt, but he does a sloppy job by masking it with this reasoning.
Sorry for not narrowing these posts down and just snipping the part I actually care about. Rajam's posts had HTML tags everywhere that I just didn't want to deal with. Anyways, at the enlarged, italicized, bolded text, I laughed.Up to #480
on KevM? What about Dooms? that wagon is much better
"Almost"? Which would be those differences? hey which are your scum picks?
ugh, where to start... your case on July is pretty weak because it's based mostly on meta, and it's also reach-ish if you think the interaction lasted more than usual in a forced way. July's 2nd intervention (when she returned) was to leave it clear her points from the 1st time, and with that 2nd intervention she ended that part of the confrontation. Hispter at the same time wanted to leave it clear the vote on July was due to her being oppotunistic instead of an over-defensive reaction. It seems more of a TvT to me if anything imo. You also say it's distance to add into the case, but that can't serve any purpose at this moment until we have a scum flip of any of them. And the coloured part... what the hell is that, are you gonna say now that any form of scummy play earlier on the game you did was on purpose as a bait?
Talking about distance... what's your read on Ryker now that he's gone completely silent after his initial burst?
uncap: Hipster Samurai
Post #12:
"You shouldn't announce who you uncap yet btw. The other one will just lose his reason to play if you let him know that he's going to die anyway. Also, we should deffo be uncapped, not kuz
Re-statement on #105:
"Right then. So basically one of Kuzi or me has to die toDay. Well then this choice is pretty obvious for me.
uncap HipSam"
Talk about reach-ish... are you seriously using this to call Hipster scum? I can't see how this can be conclusive to you that Hipster is scum
omg that AtE... is anyone opposing a lynch on Dooms?
This is like the fifth time Rajam has said the same point about Ryker again. It's getitng redundant, and Rajam isn't even doing it to push a Ryker lynch or bring it to anyone's attention. He was literally doing it just so he could be seen opposing Ryker (distancing).
Yeah, this shows it again. He brings up yet again that he wouldn't mind lynching Ryker, which serves no purpose to mention for the umpteenth time.
Three times in one post.
Weak Raziek suspicion that could indicate something, but I do think that with Ryker as your partner, the type of distancing with having Ryker as your most mentioned but not most scummy scum pick is more... incriminating. Apologies for bad wording here.
It happens again. Not only does Rajam feel the need to mention his Ryker suspicion going into the next Day phase, but I think he's doing it about 75% of his posts now. As with last time, he makes sure to have another scum pick just ahead of Ryker even though he has less reasoning for that scumpick.Almost caught up. Digging some stuff from D1's latest posts
Given the mechanics of this game, some usual scum tells do not apply here, as for example, not scumhunting, because of what I said earlier. kuz was in real danger of dying D1 due to the uncap thing, and in the confrontation with Hipster of who would survive based on traits like who was less scummy / most useful, he passed a null tell as an scum tell. That adds him an unfair "being useful" aura, and also could be read as willingness to lynch anyone which is still a scum tell in this game.
Regarding the uncap of toDay, still not sure, hence why I'm not yet uncapping anyone
Ryker is still scummy though, but because of what I said D1: After his initial burst, he went silent mode, which I read as "ok, gained town points. I'm not dying toDay so that's cool"
I'm cool with either kuz or Ryker dying toDay. I have a third candidate but I want to observe him a little longer before mentioning him and explaining why he's scum
Who said D1 Dooms would replace out as scum?
Compiling this with the rest of Rajam's posts to let the record show yet another one with mentioning his suspicions on Ryker.
Brosuke, do you too notice that Rajam is always mentioning this suspicion and yet not acting on it at all? I'd think Ryker would be putting him in his place for this kind of weak suspicion, but Ryker didn't want to bring attention to it.
Special mention to Raziek. This is something Raziek gets from Rajam, and this looks a lot less fake and composed to me than Rajam's Ryker stuff. I may be tunneling since I've opted to take this particular stance even before reading, but I do think I am finding conclusive things.
And again another scumpick comes up to join the ranks of Ryker. The last sentence with the awesome face screams scum partner to me.Not fully caught up yet but I'm making a break so I'll go with what has called my attention:
10this. KevinM's case isn't even a case. He's centering it about the thing kuz said that Dooms would replace out as scum... Dooms was scummy on D1 based on his pop-in-pop-out posts with no content. I don't recall you attacking Dooms D1 though (I barely remember some contribution from you, for example, that you were on Brosuke for the role PM thing, then on Circus for inactivity?, and then finally jumped on July). What happened with Brosuke and Circus? Now that J replaced Dooms my suspicion on the player slot has dropped to null; I can see he's contributing but since he inherited Dooms' role he started as a scum read to me by default. Anyways KevM don't forget my question here about what happened with Brosuke and Circus
I also fully support this case on KevM. Basically I don't really care if we lynch Ryker or KevM toDay. I picked Ryker for the sake of choosing someone (actually, In case of a tie I'll always vote for Ryker to die
This is scummy to say. I feel like I'm making a completely redundant wall though, because all of Rajam's posts were completely redundant. Like, he uses every post to say a huge "don't forget I am pressuring Ryker" to town. Every. Post.
You can make what you make of this, Brosuke. I won't disagree if you think it's also connection-worthy as Rajam is just digging for something to call Raziek out on, and he doesn't mention Raziek often at all really.
This is in THE SAME POST.wtf is this... first:
uncap: Brosuke
I'll be reading the implications of this claim later. Just want to ask the rest of the players one question:
Do you think lynching Gorf toDay is a good idea? Personally I don't, but if someone thinks somehow it is the best course of action, please speak. If this claim is indeed true (?) and Gorf is Fire-Mafia, I think we should aim now to lynch someone scummy but that we think it's not Gorf's partner; I think we should aim to lynch a Lightning-Mafia. If we reduce the situation to 1 Fire and 1 Lightning, they'll most likely get desperate and try to incap the opposing Mafia, which is the best possible situation for town toNight
Ryker is clearly not Gorf's partner and somehow I support Gorf here that we should lynch Ryker toDay. More reasons to love my current vote
And BAM, saved from having to stick to his Ryker vote again.
Scumslip
. Otherwise this shouldn't be addressed because Rajam knew by virtue of being scum partners with only ONE of these two players that he was lying. I'm not going to try to dissect a pile of scum lies.This. Was. Grimy. At the point in time where a Ryker lynch started looking possible, Rajam HORRIBLY, POORLY substantiates switching to Raziek based off of " they're both scum anyways". Guess what? Turns out they're not, and I'm pretty sure Rajamscum wouldn't switch onto Raziek if Raz was his scum partner after "being on Ryker" for so long.
I'm actually more sold about Rykerscum after reading Rajam's posts.
TL;DR
Basically it comes down to how Rajam's scum play goes, and I don't know this. With Ryker he was voicing suspicion continuously throughout the course of the game, whereas with Raziek he hardly even mentioned him and when he did it was just to say that Raziek was null leaning scummy.
A lot of Rajam's behaviour with Ryker was redundant, and a really condemning point is how Ryker and Rajam voted yesterDay. Here is a rundown:
Ryker vs J is happening. Rajam says it is Scum VS Scum. Then he concludes that Ryker is scum and holds to the points he has spewed ALL GAME. Then when it seems a lynch might happen, Rajam PUTS HIS VOTE ON RAZIEK, claiming "they're scum together anyways so it doesn't matter which one goes first".
In Ryker's case: Ryker vs J is happening. J raises the notion that they should consider the possibility of TvT. Ryker agrees and they back off. Ryker PUTS HIS VOTE ON RAZIEK, even though Rajam scum. This is obviously to save his partner, similarly to what Raj did around the same time. The only reason Rajam was lynched instead was because Brosuke turned it that way.
Pretend Vote: Ryker
Kantrip
Kantplay
And then Raziek ninja'd me hardcore with pretty much the same case as me.
Kantrip
Kantplay
WTF Raziek even used the same words as me. Saying to click to see the posts in context. What is this ****?
Kantrip
Kantplay
By the way Brosuke, if you try to play the whole "Kantrip will be forced to hammer to avoid a NL" without making me BELIEVE IT IS THE RIGHT CHOICE,
I will let it NL.
I will let it NL.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Kantrip
Kantplay
Scum VS Scum should say Town VS Scum in my TL;DR
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Ugh that is a pretty strong connection case...
I need to think about this.
I need to think about this.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Two players, one of whom is 100% Town (Kantrip) make the same case, independently.
I would hope that would tell you something, but you said you're thinking, so yeah.
I would hope that would tell you something, but you said you're thinking, so yeah.
Everything you add is just another layer of WIFOM.
@Kantrip - I already have summarized the problems I have with Raz. Unlike him, I've given a more than fair sized amount of play from which to form a case and then he didn't give me one that's worth two ****s.
Raz, don't quit your day job. You're not good enough at bull****ting.
For this post right here. You have absolutely no reason to need Rajam alive. You living through the game accomplishes the same goals and if you feel that distancing him or bussing him as it turned out would lend you more credibility, then you have no reason to refrain from doing so.
What? No. The ONLY thing Rajam could feasibly do as town was try to swing the lynch to you. That is far from a town tell in your favor. Unless your talking about prior to me and J backing off from one another. In that case, it's exactly the same reason you called him scum, so that you could each go back and claim it on your taxes and because you each HAD to remain on the other's scum lists because, at that point, the game was set up to be two different TvS scenarios, one of which included the two of you.
Damning? Okay, let's break down what you've just added.
RAZ'S NEW MATERIAL:
1.) Rajam has been on Ryker's back the entire game.
2.) Rajam has had Raz on his scum list throughout most of the game.
He calls one damning and the other a town tell in his favor. Wtfamireading.jpg
You're seriously trying to tell me that being on my *** the entire game is because I'm his scummate?
Or, you know, you could simply be partners and that WIFOM layer could not be there.
OBJECTION!
For this post right here. You have absolutely no reason to need Rajam alive. You living through the game accomplishes the same goals and if you feel that distancing him or bussing him as it turned out would lend you more credibility, then you have no reason to refrain from doing so.
HE'S ****ING RAJAM! HE'S ALWAYS BEHIND THE ENTIRE GAME AND NEVER SUCCESSFULLY APPLIES PRESSURE TO ANYONE!
Reverse is easily applicable.
First, I doubt it was a collaborated move. You haven't been a part of this game and I'm almost certain it was a move on Rajam's part to set himself up to win the game on his own, figuring you were never going to BE a major player.
What? No. The ONLY thing Rajam could feasibly do as town was try to swing the lynch to you. That is far from a town tell in your favor. Unless your talking about prior to me and J backing off from one another. In that case, it's exactly the same reason you called him scum, so that you could each go back and claim it on your taxes and because you each HAD to remain on the other's scum lists because, at that point, the game was set up to be two different TvS scenarios, one of which included the two of you.
Damning? Okay, let's break down what you've just added.
RAZ'S NEW MATERIAL:
1.) Rajam has been on Ryker's back the entire game.
2.) Rajam has had Raz on his scum list throughout most of the game.
He calls one damning and the other a town tell in his favor. Wtfamireading.jpg
Kantrip, did you reread in order to figure out if I was scum, or to attempt to prove that I am scum? Your connection case is full of WIFOM that is based on a player who's meta you're unfamiliar with.
Raz is tailoring his posts to you and you need to watch how it influences you.
Raz is tailoring his posts to you and you need to watch how it influences you.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Where the **** did you pull #2 from? I said he IGNORED me until the CCopclaimed.
I'll deal with this **** when I get home, you're not just going to sit there and yell Wifom this entire day.
I'll deal with this **** when I get home, you're not just going to sit there and yell Wifom this entire day.
You come to the conclusion that the player who he's been hounding all game is scum as opposed to the one he's called leaning scum and let slide is the one who he's scummates with.
Explain this thought process.
A lot of Rajam's behavior in general is redundant. He's not good and it often gets him in hot water. I can provide citations if needed.
The game had changed. At that point it seemed apparent that one of Ryker/J was going to be lynched. If the other was lynched immediately, then great. However, if not, then one of the two scummies was going to be lynched. It's a given seeing as your slot and Xonar's weren't up for lynch at all. Rajam and Raz bussing each other at that point allows either of them to claim it at this point in the game.
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
You CAN'T ****ING SAY THAT without a Raz flip. I STAND BY MY PRIOR OPINION THAT RAZ IS MORE LIKELY TO FLIP SCUM!
I WAS ****ING RIGHT AND IT WILL NOT BE HELD AGAINST ME AS A SCUM TELL![/U][/QUOTE]
On Day ****ing 2? You know, most of the game?Where the **** did you pull #2 from? I said he IGNORED me until the CCopclaimed.
I'll deal with this **** when I get home, you're not just going to sit there and yell Wifom this entire day.
STOP POSTING WIFOM AND I'LL STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!
Kantrip, if I die and Raz wins, I am going to DESTROY you in postgame.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
The amounts of WIFOM here is disgusting.
Kantrip, I think that Rajam's pressure on Ryker (the main point of your case) is more of a weak excuse to do something and leave his vote than a scummate bus. It's almost undeniable that that is the most likely option.
Kantrip, I think that Rajam's pressure on Ryker (the main point of your case) is more of a weak excuse to do something and leave his vote than a scummate bus. It's almost undeniable that that is the most likely option.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
He. Did. It. The. Entire. Game.
I'd also kindly point out that Eyjer is guilty of essentially everything he has accused me of, including threatening post-game choking.
I'd also kindly point out that Eyjer is guilty of essentially everything he has accused me of, including threatening post-game choking.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
Look at the Rajam call-out like this (assuming RazRaj);
[Ryker/J] was sure to die.
Raziek calls out Rajam, for he knows [Ryker/J] will die regardless that day. Rajam was on the scumdar of many people regardless, so he would die before the game would be over, plus it would give Raziek town points for making the early call.
I know it's WIFOM but I'm trying to go with the most likely situations here, and they point towards Raz for me.
[Ryker/J] was sure to die.
Raziek calls out Rajam, for he knows [Ryker/J] will die regardless that day. Rajam was on the scumdar of many people regardless, so he would die before the game would be over, plus it would give Raziek town points for making the early call.
I know it's WIFOM but I'm trying to go with the most likely situations here, and they point towards Raz for me.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
Good on you for strengthening my point.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Zonie, how can you play so well for the first 3 days and then utterly strap blinders on?
You're straight disregarding everything Kantrip and I are saying, and it feels to me like you aren't even actually thinking about this ****.
Reading AT while I'm stuck on the bus.
You're straight disregarding everything Kantrip and I are saying, and it feels to me like you aren't even actually thinking about this ****.
Reading AT while I'm stuck on the bus.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
The fact that I disagree with you makes me play bad?
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
makes my play bad*
Tailored.Zonie, how can you play so well for the first 3 days and then utterly strap blinders on?
You're straight disregarding everything Kantrip and I are saying, and it feels to me like you aren't even actually thinking about this ****.
Reading AT while I'm stuck on the bus.
To.
Kantrip.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
^was about to say.
Listen Razamatata, here's the difference, you've got your life hanging on this connection case, so you make it look good. Your main point is that Rajam has been on Ryker all game, and here's the difference;
I think it's a way for Rajam to keep doing something while staying consistent, keep putting 'pressure' etc.
You think it's distancing.
That's how it is. My play is not bad, your PoV is simply different from mine, even though it's (in my eyes) apparent that my PoV is more likely.
Listen Razamatata, here's the difference, you've got your life hanging on this connection case, so you make it look good. Your main point is that Rajam has been on Ryker all game, and here's the difference;
I think it's a way for Rajam to keep doing something while staying consistent, keep putting 'pressure' etc.
You think it's distancing.
That's how it is. My play is not bad, your PoV is simply different from mine, even though it's (in my eyes) apparent that my PoV is more likely.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
What the **** is the point in calling me out for tailoring to Kantrip when Ryker has been tailoring to you, and was previously accused of tailoring to Swiss?
In this situation, it's practically MANDATORY in order for us to win. I have to win over you, ryker had to win over Kantrip.
In this situation, it's practically MANDATORY in order for us to win. I have to win over you, ryker had to win over Kantrip.
The point is to inform Kantrip, obviously.
Raz, since you seem so stuck on it, can you please show me the posts where I was tailoring to Swiss?
Raz, since you seem so stuck on it, can you please show me the posts where I was tailoring to Swiss?