Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!

[(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)]

To everyone in the game:
- Would you vote Red Ruy to be the lynch today if we must?
- Would you vote Inferno to be the lynch today if we must?
With less than 21 hours left, we need to see the support out there or else a Legolas lynch is likely, and we really only would support Kantrip if it's do or die. If you guys really want to stick to Kantrip, please say so, our slot really needs to know where the heads are at at the moment, as the two main wagons are both town to us (Lego and Kantrip).

Would like an answer from Gova, Raziek, Gheb, Ryker, Glyph, Rajam, Orbo, Sang, Red Ruy, Inferno.

 

[Gova]

Yes to both.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but if we execute Ryker, Orbo is going to die in his place right? All the horrible English has me confused.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But point two annoys me. Why do you think I'm MORE concerned with being forgiven? No, I'm not, it's just that most my scum reads are relatively inactive and hard to pursue, do you disagree on this point?

With what point? As far as I can see you're covering two different points and I don't know which one you ask me about - that you're not mainly concerned with being "forgiven" [diagree with that point] or that your main scum picks are inactive / hard to pursue [kind of agree]?

I think you're misunderstanding the "being forgiven" part. It doesn't refer to this particular instance but the general way you've played this game. You - I think it's fair to say - have by no means tried your hardest to find the mafia and it has been showing up until now ... even in your "pro-town" posts. What you've been doing is giving us the minimal input required for you to stay alive. Of course, when the pressure rose it caused you to increase your input but like I said, I have no reason to trust you to keep it up at the moment. Whether you agree with it or not it's pretty much undeniable that merely being alive and cruising along was good enough for you to put actual scumhunting on the backburner. So with this point I disagree.

I guess your scumpicks are harder to lynch because of their inactivity ... which leaves me wondering how they became suspects of yours in the first place. If inactivity alone is the reason it'd be much more helpful to straight up say so than to hide this fact within some "either / or" question to me.

See, here's the problem. We don't agree on Kantrip, you won't agree to Gova or Inferno and you even admit that getting Ryu is borderline impossible. We are with our backs against the wall and the only way to not get lynched is to support a lynch on a player we have a town read on.

I'm still down to lynch Ryu though and Orbo is another option. The only reason why Ryu should be considered "borderline impossible" to lynch is your lack of initiative. That hasn't changed and unless you do I will continue to hold it against you.

Questions once again:

1.) If we really were so concerned with surviving, why don't we take Kantrip's lynch? There are an equal amount of people on Lego and Kantrip (more on Kantrip?), with Kantrip having more support overall. Yes this point is sorta ugly, but waiting for someone else to point it out won't help my slot. I need to do something as soon as possible.

2.) What do you think about this interaction?

3.) Point out where we've stopped information flow besides the Gova/Glyph accident, because I don't recall doing so. You say we're doing it subtly, so I won't reply to your pointing out, and leave it up for interpretation, fair deal to me.

1.) Kantrip lynch actually has opposition from various sides. Ryker and I are the only people who openly advocate that you're scum. Sang is also null to town to most people and both of you oppose the Kantrip lynch. I don't think it's any "safer" to go with a Kantrip lynch atm especially with Nich flipping town and giving him cred.

2.) About ours? I feel like you're downplaying the issue a bit and still aren't pushing any alternatives. On the one hand you ask me to stop going after you mainly because we disagree on the extent by which you could rightfully considered scum but on the other you're still offer us very little and if you do you're not putting really work into it to get it done.

3.) It's the only instance where it "openly" happened. The rest was just a mix of generic hydra johns, not giving fresh input on D1 and now you're still not getting this game anywhere other than preventing your own lynch, which we don't know if it's any beneficial for town at all.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

To everyone in the game:
- Would you vote Red Ruy to be the lynch today if we must?
- Would you vote Inferno to be the lynch today if we must?

1.) Yes
2.) Not sure whether you actually meant to word it exactly that way but I'd so now for we can Vig him via Rajam.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Actually, what's the opinion of lynching Orbo alongside executing Ryker?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

there ya go then.
martyr for town.

ryker, your welcome.
as its pretty obvious im gonna take the fall, should i claim for you guys?

I feel REALLY uneasy about the entire affair, but yeah, thanks?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Your actions and what you claim as your motivations don't line up.

execute: Ryker

But at this point there's nothing to do about it but test it. If you die and Ryker lives, congrats you've done town a big favor. If anything else happens, we kill you tomorrow.

Do NOT set up that ultimatum. You figure out what the deal is before a trigger is pulled.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryker, post your list of people who are scum and people who are not to be trusted. If you're executed I will take a closer look at it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

RAJAM! PULL THE TRIGGER!

Should Inferno come up and flip, Glyph dies toDay. **** Lego and Kantplay, he's a scumbag if that ability goes through. I refuse to believe that he made up a gambit ability that is that close to the actual ability and there's no way it's a town ability.

Look at who was chosen. Inferno over Kantplay and Lego. Inferno over Sang. Inferno over ****ING RED RUY! That's the grimiest coaster right there. If I had to set my glass on it then I'd pick it back up and have my glass covered in muck.

Past that, no one is on Inferno except for Rajam. The gun was placed in the hand of another coaster who is the only one gunning for Inferno, but I can see the scum team wanting to stop the man who was caught targeting a common town read.. He's a patsy here if that ability works.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Actually, what's the opinion of lynching Orbo alongside executing Ryker?

What's the opinion on Gheb being high?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, post your list of people who are scum and people who are not to be trusted. If you're executed I will take a closer look at it.

Lego and Kantplay most likely hold AT LEAST one scum. Both of them show shades of terrible, terrible town, but then roll over it with even more piles of scumbag.

Lego constantly likes to twist whatever is thrown and him and not actually defend himself. The case itself centers around his coasting through Day 1, his horrendous case on Glyph, and the immediate flip of the read when he had no support. Hell, he spends more time defending his town read on Glyph than he ever did his scum read.

Kantplay is fighting hard for reads he couldn't possibly have gained if his IQ was anything higher than negative ten. Seriously, go back and look at why he thought Nich was town. It doesn't make sense. Compound that with the fact that he replaced T-Block and you've got a slot that needs to die. If you ever find yourself thinking that Kantrip could seriously just be that bad, go back to Day 1 and read T-Block which Kantrip refuses to even try and excuse.

-----------SideNote: If Kantplay flips scum, go back and look at the readlist he posted recently. Ten dollars says there's a scumbag in the middle row. I'd put five more that the other lies in the center row.



RR is the scummiest coaster. He hasn't given a lot, but I really don't like what he's given. He needs to be dealt with before a player like Rajam or Inferno or even Orbo. His posts all seem to just reflect events that have already happened and not add anything.

Sang is my next scum pick. I can't really give you a case, she just doesn't DO anything. With a scum flip in your pocket, you could see if KantPlay's vig goes through, but I have a hard time believing that it actually occurred which is another point against her. Look HARD at Sang in the event of a Kantplay flip.






Be CAREFUL with Glyph. The dude is intelligent. Seriously, he doesn't look like he's that scary, but don't sleep on him. He's never been a guy who really sits on the forefront, but he always remains valuable from his position on the sideline similar to town Gova. He waits for something and does it. He's also crafty. He can concoct plans simply for the factor of you saying "there's no way he'd do that."



Inferno's null. Possibly scum, really far back on my list. He's a coaster, so involve him more.



Gova and Rajam are both leaning town. I'm fine with both of them at the moment. If the shot on Inferno goes through, Rajam is sold town. Care about Gova, could be indy if we're dealing with one.




I'll post if I've missed anything else.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: The sidenote should read ten on the bottom row and five more on the center.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Orbo, do me a favor are you CERTAIN that your ability will affect execution and not just lynch. Check with OS on ANY doubt you may have. This could go sour in a major way.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Read up, still want Glyph dead first, Kantrip is a viable alternative.

Ryker, are you certain pulling the trigger is better than seeing what Inferno is claim wise.

Still not sure about the execute but I would do it on Orbo if it wasn't Ryker or Gheb after seeing confirmation.

Writing a program I gotta submit by midnight so later.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Trying to catch up. Will post everything when I'm done.

 

[Inferno3044]

To everyone in the game:
- Would you vote Red Ruy to be the lynch today if we must?
- Would you vote Inferno to be the lynch today if we must?

Yes.
No.

RAJAM! PULL THE TRIGGER!

Should Inferno come up and flip, Glyph dies toDay. **** Lego and Kantplay, he's a scumbag if that ability goes through. I refuse to believe that he made up a gambit ability that is that close to the actual ability and there's no way it's a town ability.

Look at who was chosen. Inferno over Kantplay and Lego. Inferno over Sang. Inferno over ****ING RED RUY! That's the grimiest coaster right there. If I had to set my glass on it then I'd pick it back up and have my glass covered in muck.

Past that, no one is on Inferno except for Rajam. The gun was placed in the hand of another coaster who is the only one gunning for Inferno, but I can see the scum team wanting to stop the man who was caught targeting a common town read.. He's a patsy here if that ability works.

I'm confused. Come up and flip what? And why pull the trigger. Rajam obviously got this from someone trying to get an easy town kill. You basically stated it yourself saying how I was chosen.

Lego and Kantplay most likely hold AT LEAST one scum. Both of them show shades of terrible, terrible town, but then roll over it with even more piles of scumbag.

I would personally choose Kantrip over Lego. I was not a fan of T-Block's play D1 and Kantrip hasn't done anything to convince me differently.

Lego constantly likes to twist whatever is thrown and him and not actually defend himself. The case itself centers around his coasting through Day 1, his horrendous case on Glyph, and the immediate flip of the read when he had no support. Hell, he spends more time defending his town read on Glyph than he ever did his scum read.

Kantplay is fighting hard for reads he couldn't possibly have gained if his IQ was anything higher than negative ten. Seriously, go back and look at why he thought Nich was town. It doesn't make sense. Compound that with the fact that he replaced T-Block and you've got a slot that needs to die. If you ever find yourself thinking that Kantrip could seriously just be that bad, go back to Day 1 and read T-Block which Kantrip refuses to even try and excuse.

Mostly agree. Atm I don't trust Kanty down the road.

Sang is my next scum pick. I can't really give you a case, she just doesn't DO anything. With a scum flip in your pocket, you could see if KantPlay's vig goes through, but I have a hard time believing that it actually occurred which is another point against her. Look HARD at Sang in the event of a Kantplay flip.

Not sure if I agree with her as scum. I do feel like she needs to do more, but I feel like she has some sincere, towny thoughts. I would like more actions from her than just words.

Gova and Rajam are both leaning town. I'm fine with both of them at the moment. If the shot on Inferno goes through, Rajam is sold town. Care about Gova, could be indy if we're dealing with one.

Care to explain the bold?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

RR lynch is fine. Inferno is less fine. Kantrip is still my big pick.

Should Inferno come up and flip, Glyph dies toDay. **** Lego and Kantplay, he's a scumbag if that ability goes through. I refuse to believe that he made up a gambit ability that is that close to the actual ability and there's no way it's a town ability.

Don't underestimate my ability to craft a fakeclaim. Look at what I said, and when. I trickled out information to keep Nich under pressure and allow it for use another day.

It IS uncannily similar to the one that actually came up, but that's because I like to think I can be creative with PRs. OS can too.


RR, considering most of your pressure came from the case made by Legolas (you know, the one that even he himself has come forward and called weak), what is it that has me so high up on your scum list.

Don't answer right away, mill it over for a while first.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Read up, still want Glyph dead first, Kantrip is a viable alternative.

Ryker, are you certain pulling the trigger is better than seeing what Inferno is claim wise.

Still not sure about the execute but I would do it on Orbo if it wasn't Ryker or Gheb after seeing confirmation.

Writing a program I gotta submit by midnight so later.

I sincerely doubt that it's real. If it is, then we net a scumbag. Fair trade.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah, my first thought when reading the vig thing was "isn't this what glyph claimed?" Why would Rajam need to shoot though? The ability is scum whether he shoots or not. What does Inferno's flip change?

I'll wait for Orbo's confirmation before executing Ryker.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Don't underestimate my ability to craft a fakeclaim. Look at what I said, and when. I trickled out information to keep Nich under pressure and allow it for use another day.

It IS uncannily similar to the one that actually came up, but that's because I like to think I can be creative with PRs. OS can too.

Occam's Razor refuses to let me allow another Radical Fiction.

 

[Kantrip]

What if Rajam just has a dayvig ability but set it up like this to incriminate Glyph?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah, my first thought when reading the vig thing was "isn't this what glyph claimed?" Why would Rajam need to shoot though? The ability is scum whether he shoots or not. What does Inferno's flip change?

I'll wait for Orbo's confirmation before executing Ryker.

Because if it's fake, who gives a flying ****? It's not incriminating for anyone. It could literally have been anyone who sent it.

If it is real, Glyph can die.

I sincerely doubt that it is real.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What if Rajam just has a dayvig ability but set it up like this to incriminate Glyph?

Are you trying to sincerely tell me that scum has a DayVig, a night kill, an extra execution, and god knows what else? No Kantplay, just no. Possibly SK, but he outs himself if he ever shoots again. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see Glyph actually flip Day SK if this is actually true.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Raz, I see you viewing. That midterm better be conquered.

 

[Kantrip]

It just seems like the DUMBEST TIME to pull a gambit.

Rajam, if this is fake drop it and say so in your next post.

I dunno... I feel like Rajam could be scum if this is a "gambit". It's a horrid time to bring it out, it's overcomplicating town right near deadline, and it's directing suspicion towards Glyph now....

 

[Kantrip]

Ryker, if Rajam sticks to this being real would you take his word?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't give a **** whether he says it's real or not. It's no good without proof. You're trying to arrange a lynch without doing jack ****. The chances of this originating with Rajam are abysmal. He almost certainly received the PM.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Caught up. Ryker, I understand where you are coming from that I haven't done anything, but what purpose do you have of saying that you doubt that that actually happened? Would you like me to show you where I crumbed my imminent death? Or would that even change you mind? Because I don't think it would. If I am alive on D5, then go ahead a lynch me. Otherwise, if your only case against me is that I haven't done anything (which is true, because I will admit that I haven't done anything completely worthwhile yet) and that you don't believe me, I honestly don't care.

Moving on.

To everyone in the game:
- Would you vote Red Ruy to be the lynch today if we must?
- Would you vote Inferno to be the lynch today if we must?[/U]

Yes and yes, but I'd much rather RR be the lynch today.

honestly, voting for effectively myself still doesn't make sense. I admit im fine with dying though.

What I don't get is why you waited this long to actually start doing anything. If you are actually town, of which I am still not convinced, I would think you would have been doing more to help town than to just sit back and do nothing.

Gheb being more cooperative meaning that he would compromise more than ryker. But im definitely leaning toward Ryker now, just because he really seems commited.Don't see a scum pulling up that huge*** nich case.
reads post coming in next post.

Would you please stop parroting people? Honestly, I've heard that crap thrice already. MAKE YOUR OWN STANCES!

You know, Orbo, I was going to make a case on you on why you should be lynched but everyone else seems to have done that for me. You're more of a liability to this town alive than you are dead, and all you do is coast through this game. You've only given stances that parrot what others have been saying, you only sheep, and, when you aren't doing either of those things, you do nothing to benefit the town. You play this game, coasting along, making the safest reads possible, and you haven't helped us at all.

I would vote you but I first want to see the votecount.

I have thought about this and, even without our new knowledge wrt Orbo, I would have chosen this either way. I think Gheb is better to keep around because he is more logical. Ryker tunnels more and, although that could be helpful in some cases, rarely helps us and sometimes leads town to its doom. I think this is the best choice for town and, if it does result in Orbo's death, then all the better.

Again, with this, though, I will wait to see the votecount. Keep in mind, for others, that we have to reach a majority, just like with a lynch. We have to agree, else both die.

@Mod. Request Votecount

 

[Kantrip]

Okay that's all I wanted to know. So you want the shot since it's the only way to prove the ability. I am fine with that then.

 

[Raziek]

 

[Raziek]

GODDAMNIT.

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[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Raziek is your posting restriction to **** up every image you post?

 

[Raziek]

Oh, and would lynch Red Ruy.

Want Kantrip most of all.

Inferno only if push comes to No Lynch.

 

[Rajam]

To everyone in the game:
- Would you vote Red Ruy to be the lynch today if we must?
- Would you vote Inferno to be the lynch today if we must?
With less than 21 hours left, we need to see the support out there or else a Legolas lynch is likely, and we really only would support Kantrip if it's do or die. If you guys really want to stick to Kantrip, please say so, our slot really needs to know where the heads are at at the moment, as the two main wagons are both town to us (Lego and Kantrip).

Would like an answer from Gova, Raziek, Gheb, Ryker, Glyph, Rajam, Orbo, Sang, Red Ruy, Inferno.

- yes
- yes
- Not interested in lynching Kantrip

 

[Rajam]

It just seems like the DUMBEST TIME to pull a gambit.

Rajam, if this is fake drop it and say so in your next post.

I dunno... I feel like Rajam could be scum if this is a "gambit". It's a horrid time to bring it out, it's overcomplicating town right near deadline, and it's directing suspicion towards Glyph now....

This is not fake. I do not gambit, even less after what happened in Walgreens. Would like to hear Gheb's oppinion regarding if I should pull the trigger or not. He and Ryker are my strongest town reads, and Ryker is supporting. What puts me on the fence though is that the guy who sent me this has not claimed, despite being requested to do so; so, I'm assuming it's something from scum (either mafia or indy)

Raziek do I pull the trigger?

Since we're close to deadline and it seems the only way Inferno is dying toDay would be by my dayvig (not seeing support for his lynch), I'm changing my vote to the next scummy:

unvote
vote: Red Ryu

Ryu you're doing the same crap you did on Walgreens: nothing (and way too much johns). Furthermore, your cases suck and I don't see town motivation on them either

Note also that the gun I received doesn't clear Inferno at all. The ability reeks to something an indy is doing; I still think Inferno is scum (mafia)

 

[Rajam]

It just seems like the DUMBEST TIME to pull a gambit.

Rajam, if this is fake drop it and say so in your next post.

I dunno... I feel like Rajam could be scum if this is a "gambit". It's a horrid time to bring it out, it's overcomplicating town right near deadline, and it's directing suspicion towards Glyph now....

Wait, how am I directing suspicion towards Glyph? :S He is a town read; indy at worst. As I said earlier toDay, I want Mafia dead this D2

 

[Kantrip]

So Rajam do you agree with Ryker about Glyph's fake claim being TOO similar to this?

This is the suspicion I'm talking about.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

If the shot goes through I'm okay with dying. Not worth arguing over when there's suspicion in the right places already.

 

[Rajam]

So Rajam do you agree with Ryker about Glyph's fake claim being TOO similar to this?

This is the suspicion I'm talking about.

You mean regarding his gambit D1, "killing" Nich?

mmm I don't have reasons to suspect Glyph atm. It doesn't seem scummy to me honestly

 

[Kantrip]

Yes that's the one. It's uncanningly similar to this.

Like... REALLY SIMILAR. One of you or Glyph are scum.