Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

And then nothing.

Red Ruy, where'd you go.

**** happened.

Still need to read this game more.

 

[Inferno3044]

Rajam, what is your opinion on T-Block?

 

[Rajam]

Raz's Pocket Guide to Choosable Roles

Calculator (RESTRICTION: ONE LESS VOTE TO LYNCH)
- Can target multiple players
- Targeting may change, hard to plan around, depends entirely on when OS resolves postcounts.
- Roleblock
- Voteblock can force no lynches
- Slow
- Haste

Dragoon
- L1: One-shot self-revive
- Non-consecutive commuter

Ninja
- L1: Avoid a chosen player's night actions
- PASSIVE L2: If affected by an ability, unaffected by everything including NK's the following Night.
- RESTRICTION: Must not be in top 3 post-count at the end of the day. If they are, they are immediately killed.

Priest
- L1: Reflect, returns night action towards the user.
- Multiple reflects cancel each other out, DOES NOT protect NKs.
- L2: Protects all night kills. Cannot self-protect, cannot protect consecutively, multiple protects cancel out.
- RESTRICTION: Cannot hammer, attempting will result in a mod vote.

Time Mage
-L1 Stop: Role/voteblock on the FOLLOWING Day/Night phase, informed. One shot.
-L1 Haste: Gives NAR priority for that night. One shot.
-L2 Quick: Motivate. Does not allow multiple/extra uses of one-shot abilities, so no looping/wishing for infinite wishes, etc. One shot.

Thief
-L1 PASSIVE: Steals player's last used active if on the lynch of that player.
-L2: Can force a player to vote for another player.
-Restrcition: Cannot be protected.

Geomancer
-L1: Pitfall - Blocks one ability's use on the geomancer.
-L2 PASSIVE - Doublevoter
-RESTRICTION: If one the lynch of a townie, they are voteblocked the following day.

Summoner
- Abilities are the same as Priest, just usable on three players and without any even/odd limitations
- Can only use their summon and NOTHING else that night.
-RESTRICTION: One less vote needed to lynch.

Dancer
-L1: All players take one less vote to lynch.
@MOD: Is this reflected in the vote counts?
-L2: Anyone who targets the dancer takes two less to lynch.
-Restriction: Cannot be the opening vote. Anyone who started an RVS wagon is not a dancer.

THE FOLLOWING PLAYERS DID NOT PICK DANCER:
Red Ryu
Gheb
Rajam
Orbo/Nickelback
Nich
T-Block
Raziek

Oracle
- L1: Can silence two players
- L2: Can drain life, causes the target to take one less to lynch, and one more for the user. PUBLICALLY NOTED.
-Restriction: Can only target players on the lynch from the previous day phase.

Samurai
- L1: Anyone who targets the Samurai is BP. The Samurai is not.
- L2: Sacrificial Vig-shot.
-Restriction: Voteblocked if they use their ability.

Mime
- Picks a two players. Uses the abilities the first uses on the second. Not informed of results.
- Solo Class.

Chemist
- Passive L1: Cannot be roleblocked/redirected
- Passive L2: If killed N1 or N2, will be voteblocked/roleblocked for the following day phase.
-Restriction: Must be on a successful lynch or they lose their powers.

Archer
-L1: Charge - Can delay an ability's use until a chosen night, will go through even if they are dead.
- Passive L2: If they had 4 votes at the end of the phase, they can use any ability twice, except one-shots or kills.

Monk
-L1: Two shot roleblock that targets players who target the Monk.
- L2: Hamedo - If killed, the killer's abilities that take place AFTER the kill will be roleblocked.

Wizard
- L1: Targeted player cannot vote the following day phase if they use an ability that night. PUBLICALLY ANNOUNCED.
-L2: Will use an ability BACK at the person who uses it on them.

Worker
- L1:Can bodyguard
- L2: One shot BP, cannot be lynched the next day, unless an external ability causing two to be lynched occurs.

Mediator
-L1: Intimidate: Targeted player takes one less vote to lynch if voting for a particular player. Privately noted.
-L2: Causes a player to be a double-voter if targeting a chosen player.
-Restriction: Cannot kill or be protected.

This is a really janky setup.

Vote: Glyph

I'm not a dancer.

What's the point of this post?

Just a lot of fluff, where the only relevant thing is the obv scummy dancer role. Your public track of dancers + the lack of pointing out why were you doing that in the 1st place indicates me that you wanted someone else to propose the idea of "testing possible dancers" while you stay invisible for this little push. Why? Because you didn't want to be called out for rolefishing; it's better if someone else open his mouth and takes the risk/pressure for that

Raziek, do your scum partners have the dancer role?

unvote
vote: Raziek

 

[Rajam]

Rajam, what is your opinion on T-Block?

I don't have one yet

 

[Inferno3044]

Rajam please read and be on top of things. That was post #62. I am currently posting #405 and I don't need you playing catch up the entire game. It doesn't help anyone.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Inferno its great that you're questioning Rajam but there is a TON of **** that just happened that I want you to weigh in on.

Rajam, you can't think what you're doing right now constitutes playing a mafia game.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Plus I think EE has like blood rights to that GIF for winning mafia games

 

[Raziek]

What's the point of this post?

Just a lot of fluff, where the only relevant thing is the obv scummy dancer role. Your public track of dancers + the lack of pointing out why were you doing that in the 1st place indicates me that you wanted someone else to propose the idea of "testing possible dancers" while you stay invisible for this little push. Why? Because you didn't want to be called out for rolefishing; it's better if someone else open his mouth and takes the risk/pressure for that

Raziek, do your scum partners have the dancer role?

unvote
vote: Raziek

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Glyph
So, considering that Raziek, Rajam, and Inferno all managed to post without saying anything interesting regarding the main issue at hand (aka: me), are you still surprised that I don't have a ton of faith in town?

@Raziek Rajam, Inferno
If you didn't catch the hint, you're supposed to weigh in on the recent stuff, like me, Ryker, the daykill, etc.

 

[Raziek]

I don't have time for thinking at the moment. Keep your panties on.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

..........

I think Rajam is a jester.

Vig him tonight.

 

[Gova]

Honestly, the Ryker v Nich thing is just confusing me. There are some points I can see as a call out but other points just strike me as a clash of mafia ideologies and then getting carried away from there.

Skeptical of the daykill; gambit or not. I don't feel like it accomplished anything other than some free accusatory material by Glyph forcing his perception of how a townie would react to be vigged. Not saying it can't be true in this case but sometimes I have trouble buying into "as town he would have done this" or as "scum he would have done this.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

@Glyph
So, considering that Raziek, Rajam, and Inferno all managed to post without saying anything interesting regarding the main issue at hand (aka: me), are you still surprised that I don't have a ton of faith in town?

Raziek isn't so much not dealing with the issue at hand as not dealing with anything at the moment beyond the obvious Rajam stuff. I know that feel for being busy though.

Rajam I have no words for. Inferno I am not happy with for ignoring the whole situation and instead putting 'pressure' on Rajam.

I understand 2/3 of your concern, but bear in mind that there are a number of players who still haven't voiced an opinion on the matter. If they stay inactive then welp we're in trouble, but I don't think they will.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Honestly, the Ryker v Nich thing is just confusing me. There are some points I can see as a call out but other points just strike me as a clash of mafia ideologies and then getting carried away from there.

You know what Gova, let's play a game. Since this half-stance isn't doing anyone any good.

In-depth reasoning for your reads on both Nich and myself. What has each player done to help you reach the current read you have?

 

[Inferno3044]

Oh you wanted my information on the kill? It was fake. It was obvious it was fake. I have no idea why you appealed so much to it. Ryker is a little tunnel-mode which I'm not a big fan of, but unfortunately that's how he is. I kinda have put you in the side of my mind. I have a couple of people that I would rather have lynched than you atm. In fact I'm gonna vote one of them.

Unvote Vote: T-Block

 

[Gova]

I have a town read on you for now. The biggest thing here is that you're clearly motivated to play this game which I've only seen you do as town. Most of the games you were scum you just coasted and lurked to victory and let town take themselves apart. I mean you could be motivated to play as scum but I think it's unlikely given your history. Things you have called Nich out such as exaggeration/contradiction things I can agree with whereas other things such as the initial-bring-the-game-out-of-RVS-accusation. I think that only serves as a purpose to get reads and get opinions for other though I do understand how it could be used as a fallback for scum of the accusation backfires. There's no way to tell which would be the case for that point.

As for Nich, my read is conflicted because I have no scum-play of his to compare too other than the time he replaced into FF9 but I'm not sure how accurately depict his scum play seeing as how he was told to just coast/lurk. The fact that I also had to ask multiple times whether or not he agreed with T-Blocks accusation also didn't sit well with me. I find it that when you have to keep rephrasing/asking questions is a slight indication that someone is scum or at least hiding somerthing. At this point I'm not opposed to his lynch and need to be on it but there's nothing I can say for certain that makes me go "yeah this guy is definitely scum."

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Why is that whole post pretty much based around meta? Meta that I largely disagree with btw, if reading Ryker was as easy as saying 'look he is playing this time' he wouldn't win games.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't hate it.

 

[Gova]

Well, until we get flips and stuff that's all I have to go on. Either way, I consider it a pretty significant factor at least wrt Ryker.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Gova
I don't actually have much of a scum meta. FFIX was the first time I'd gotten mafia in a long time.

And seriously, meta's not all you should have to go on. What about the novel thing called arguments? You know, the thing I spend 90% of my time doing and nobody seems to actually read? Do you think Ryker's poem post was anywhere near legitimate?

@Glyph
I have a town read on you and you've been making sense lately, so I'm going to put the burden of being competent on you for the time being. I'd like you to go back and take a look at me vs Ryker, from the point where he actually made a case to the point where I shot down his Yankee Doodle post. (Only two major posts/post strings from each side, so it's not that long.) While reading those, I'd like you to make a note of points of his you agree with (if any), as well as points where he took me out of context/avoided my argument. When you've done that, ask yourself, is this a case from a townie looking for the truth, or a scum trying to pin a lynch on someone?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I like all of your OMGUS, Nich. It's delicious.

 

[Gova]

So? Just because people get into an argument doesn't mean they're opposite alignments... which is basically what my point is. Being right isn't necessarily a good indication of someone's alignment. The poem was dumb and I didn't bother reading it. It probably says the same thing as one of his other post's in all likely hood.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I like all of your OMGUS, Nich. It's delicious.

Protip: Making a bad case may or may not be scummy. Agreeing with a bad case usually is scummy. Doing that plus making your own case exclusively by taking points out of context, dodging arguments, and adding plenty of fluff is always scummy.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I will look into it later tonight

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Good thing I didn't do that. Show me where I've done it.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Here you go, Ryker. The big long reply you pressed me for, then dismissed with your little song.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14060823&postcount=307

 

[Nicholas1024]

Here you go, Ryker. The big long reply you pressed me for, then dismissed with your little song.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14060823&postcount=307

Actually, I think this deserves a little emphasis.

If you want a good summary of what's wrong with Ryker's case, click the link people.

Also, the only response he gave to this was that little song, which I hardly need to elaborate further on.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Here you go, Ryker. The big long reply you pressed me for, then dismissed with your little song.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14060823&postcount=307

Large post lost to the quick-reply box. Reforming it. In the mean time, let's touch on how you IGNORED MY CHALLENGE!

I asked for quotes. Examples of where I took your posts out of context and twisted your intentions. You continue claiming it happened and NEVER BACK IT UP!

Quotes NOW or drop it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Also, the only response he gave to this was that little song, which I hardly need to elaborate further on.

Oh no, little buddy. That's not gonna fly. You're about to answer for it in-depth or you're about to die.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Oh no, little buddy. That's not gonna fly. You're about to answer for it in-depth or you're about to die.

Except, I did answer your song in depth, remember? I cut out all the fluff and demonstrated how it was just three lines of baseless accusations.

And the link I gave you is my rebuttal to your case, and demonstrates exactly what you're asking. It shows how each and every point is either taking me out of context, assuming I have a certain intention without justification, or an outright lie.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You know what, **** it.

I'm not pitching this next post to Nich.

 

[Overswarm]

Kantrip replaces T-block effective immediately.

T-block may no longer post.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So Nich, I have a challenge for you. I'm about to codify my case in plain terms in the most accessible manner possible. I'm going to detail all of my issues with your play thus far. If you're right and I'm scum who's been taking your posts out of context and misconstruing you in a bad light, then it should show out when I'm forced to put it all out there. Therefore my challenge for you is to let others examine it and figure out how they feel about it without your spin. If you're telling the truth and are really as hot **** as you think you are, they'll come to your aid and I'll be in hot water for my terrible case.

This is going to be the full monty. I'm going to bring EVERYTHING and this is the definitive end all, be all. No johns about lack of context here.

Deal? Or do you have no faith?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

****. I'm about to read this game at least 3 times. This is gonna be 30 ****ing pages. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. RYKER is about to read 30 pages.

Pray for my ADD soul.

 

[Kantrip]

Wow. Alright, hey guys. I've skimmed some stuff but I'll definitely be doing a full in-depth read. Thanks to Raziek in advance for that pocket guide to abilities.

Ryker you should use 40ppp.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Glyph.

I think Gheb's an *******, but probably town. Disagree with the Nich scum read, he seems more frustrated town than cornered scum to me.

Haven't come across anything I'd deem significant enough to push for scum yet, only little things that could come into play later. For now I still stand by my previous stance of picking off a bad player.

What changed from here to making a shot on him?

 

[Kantrip]

I picked Auto-Potion.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Ryker is lying. He's essentially claiming bulletproof with this ability, which is WIFOM if he tries to keep it up, and stirring discussion for right now.

I like to start games with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Yeah this is right about how I approach things Ryker claims unprovoked....

You know, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if that was in fact the case. Does this mean you're actually going to be helpful D1 this time around, Ryker?

I don't understand how claiming the ability Ryker did indicates in ANY way that he will be more helpful D1. Not sure what made Nich ask that, and not sure why he's believing it so easily.

Although obvious, I wanna take this a step further. NO TAKING ANYONE TO L-1 WITHOUT THEM CLAIMING! Any wagon at all ending in a ML due to the 1 less vote restriction, whether RVS or not, will be harmful.

This is just a waste of time. People will know their own restrictions and Inferno is being silly.

L-1 RVS wagons are actually (or used to be) fairly common. In normal games they're usually harmless, but then again there's the potential for incidents like D1 of TV-allstars mafia. Check it out for some of the worst fail since Rockin last got a vigilante role.

And I agree with Inferno, since anyone could be lynchable at L-1, L-2 is the point that players should claim at.

I think people are spending way too much time and attention on "hated" modifiers in the early game. I'm glad Gheb came in:

Putting somebody at L-2 potentially means that we're actually putting somebody at L-1 without knowing it. I don't think that this should stop us from going for some early wagons or wagons in general. If people start being oversensitive about putting somebody at L-2 because it might be actually -1 then we won't be able to apply pressure anywhere.

I disagree with the suggestion that players should necessarily have to claim at L-2 ... everybody knows themselves whether they require less votes to be lynched or not. They can be expected to know when their claim is due. I'm more concerened with people trying to discourage productive wagons on that basis and will keep my eye on them.

Vote Nicholas

I see the vote on Nich as sort of a "smarten up" vote. I don't actually find Nich scummy at this time. I like that Gheb is stepping in, but I DON'T like that he is basically saying "guys let's actually DO something" and then he doesn't do anything.

Okay Rajam's cluster of posts here are just really stupid. There's a joke image, a useless question, a joke vote, and a bunch of uselessness. RVS is no excuse to clog the thread with this bull****.

This post feels off. A few questions for you, Xonar (I'm just going to call the hydra "Lego").

What exactly do you want to talk to Sword about? Considering that it's only a couple pages into D1, there isn't exactly a huge need for townies to compare notes at the moment.

Would you agree that your statement about it being "easier to scum-hunt if less people are voting me and pressuring me" plus posting that bolded "me" (which Rajam claimed would make him safe from his vote D1) shows a focus on self preservation? If not, why did you say those things?

Vote: Lego

@Rajam
Would you say that you have a good idea of Xonar's meta, and would you consider yourself a threat to Xonar-scum?

I disagree that Legolas's post seemed off. However, I do see what Nicholas is thinking and I do like that he's using an honest thought process from what I can gather.

Probably.



Wanted to touch on this later, but this is fine. You're wrong, btw.

UNDERSTAND THAT THE VOTES TO LYNCH ARE DIFFERENT AND CAN BE CHANGED BY A WIDE MARGIN (3+ VOTES LESS)! UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESULTS OF YOUR ACTION WHETHER OR NOT YOU CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN IGNORANT OF THE CONSEQUENCES!



This information applies outside of RVS. What did you hope to gain with that rhetorical question?



You're annoying.



No it isn't. Luxor in BiM4 was infinitely worse. Not to mention Adum in MMX.



Everything except the vote in this post is correct. You shouldn't be afraid of applying pressure, that's how we move forward. However, refer to my bold post and realize that if **** happens, you can't claim that you didn't know it would happen.

This post is just fine and dandy Ryker for the most part. Except I don't like his question to Seph: I feel like Ryker knows exactly what Seph's rhetorical question was there for, and I can't see Ryker getting ANYTHING out of asking Seph about it.

So far I think Nich is the most townie, but definitely not an asset. Iffy on Gheb and Ryker, as they have both done stuff that looks sound but then I go and wonder where their intent really lies. Inferno is useless and annoying, and everyone else is pretty much a flat-out null.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

All of the posts between when I said that and took the shot RR

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yup, you can keep T-Block's spot as number 2 on my scum list.

Also, I just happened onto the coup de grâce of my Nich post. Look for it under the P.S.

Done with reread one. Starting reread two.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I read the whole thread.

Nich hopped on against anyone who went against him during this game. Votes on Gheb an Ryker confirm this. Tried using self meta as an excuse with tunneling. From here it's leading into a pit of OMGUS and

Lynch is warranted.

Dislike T-Block slot more so for the comment about Nickle.

Rajam is being intentional from all this I believe, he needs to die.

I still disliked Ryker's earlier speculation.

And? Draw the line, where was it too much. Where was I not covering new information or information that you don't think is beneficial for town?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with set-up speculation. It's a problem when it's a scapegoat for other contribution and that's simply not the case here. If you think it is, back it up with a vote.

I think it was at the time, but I like you more than Nich so yeah.

@mod: Request prod on Seph

Gova, Glyph, Red Ruy, and Seph:

Top two scum choices, top two Town choices, please.

Rajam and Nich for scum.
Gova and Gheb for town.