Falcon Mind-Meld: A Captain Falcon Matchup Thread (now on: EDGEGUARDING))

Brookman · Jul 8, 2011

there are quite a few luigi players running around the east coast breh.

Wenbobular · Jul 8, 2011

Windrose said:
rofl.....if only you guys knew in depth of a more useful matchup

Is that the thanks we get for trying to tell you guys how not to get ***** by bad characters?

I'm sure Juggleguy would've appreciated advice before he lost to Vudujin, but maybe next time he'll do better

Or we can just not say anything and you guys can blow forever, that's cool too

Windrose · Jul 12, 2011

Brookman said:
there are quite a few luigi players running around the east coast breh.

Wenbobular said:
Is that the thanks we get for trying to tell you guys how not to get ***** by bad characters?

I'm sure Juggleguy would've appreciated advice before he lost to Vudujin, but maybe next time he'll do better

Or we can just not say anything and you guys can blow forever, that's cool too

Lol, there was actually a luigi player at this past tournament up here in Canada. and I was just thinking WOW what a coincidence. the first thing that popped up to my head was Wenbobular and his defiler avatar ROFL.

So I guess yeah, Thanks you guys. Because of how much rambling you guys did on luigi , I remembered the matchup pretty well rofl.

Wenbobular · Jul 12, 2011

So you destroyed him right

It also helps that most Luigis are terrible though haha

Windrose · Jul 13, 2011

Well, a lot of the things you pointed out i caught right away like uncharged side b is really crappy and wave dash f-tilt is something they like to do so much. and their down b has a lot of lag rofl...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I only played him in friendlies and yeah most luigis aren't good....:S

Wenbobular · Jul 13, 2011

Heh

All the obvious (and usually hardest) punishes on Luigi are simple recognition, which is why I was so sad for Juggleguy because he was going pretty even with Vudujin in terms of getting hits in it seemed like

TheManaLord · Jul 14, 2011

nair and upair a lot duh

Wenbobular · Jul 14, 2011

Runback stomp and knee are sometimes a lot more effective vs wavedash characters
And Bair

Windrose · Jul 16, 2011

Yooo guys SHARE YOUR COMBO GAME TIPS!! how do you guys combo with falcon? It's such an important part of falcon play but nobody talks about it that often. I often find that I drop combos cuz I either u-aired too low or too far in that I can't end the combo with a knee or something.....There's a lot of little things to comboing like air control and when to fast fall and stuff :S

tldr
share your interesting tips / things you guys feel should be note worthy about comboing with falcon..

I'm like a really bad smoke2jointz that only space nairs with tippy toes, dash dance camps and go for 2 hit combos like stomp to knee and throw to knee =(

Roneblaster · Jul 16, 2011

Holy **** the mana lord?! Just a few days ago i was thinkin about you brah, wonderin what u were doin with ur life.

Wenbobular · Jul 16, 2011

Do Uairs as late as possible
Always take whatever knee you can get because it almost always just combos into itself or kills them outright
Combo into regrabs for ultimate cheapness
Double Upair ***** anyone who isn't Peach / characters with ******** horizontal

DuckPimp · Jul 17, 2011

fighting marths gets you great combo practice

TheManaLord · Jul 17, 2011

Roneblaster said:
Holy **** the mana lord?! Just a few days ago i was thinkin about you brah, wonderin what u were doin with ur life.

supp!! graduated college completely broke just got a part time job minimum wage I LOVE AMERICA!!!

gonna chip away at my loans and start travelling for smash again, i will meet you time is just a strange thing

Roneblaster · Jul 17, 2011

i plan on going to apex man, hopefully ill see you there.

yea "god bless america"

LOLOL. not.

Windrose · Jul 18, 2011

I feel like it's really hard to combo people whom aren't afraid of you and always DI correctly for combos...

Sometimes when I play against players that are about the same caliber or lower than me. I can be more aggressive and put them under pressure so they screw up in their DI inputs and get comboed.

Against people who know how to DI all the time, it's really difficult to combo =( even marth.

i can pretty much only rely on stomp-->knee combos and throw-->knee combos. most of the time

0Room · Jul 18, 2011

2 things: I've been going through the old pages of the Scar thread
and holy **** we've lost so much knowledge. Why do we keep asking the same questions over and over again? [irony lol?]

So what I'm asking is that this thread be revamped so that this doesn't happen for this thread.
Put all of the Matchups on the front page, sort them, color code them even, and spoiler them. [on this site it's

]
You've already started this but I want to expand a little bit on it. This'll save space while still having all the information we need.
For example:

Top Tier
Falco

general match up:
lol this match up is gay
Counter Picks: Battlefield [?]
Interesting posts related to: smashboards/falcoisgay

High Tier
CF

General: Do whatever makes you angry against the other person
CP: If you have to ask....
Interesting posts relating to: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8954050

DuckPimp · Jul 18, 2011

0room, you are pretty ****, man

this is absolutely perfect.

0Room · Jul 18, 2011

Just thought it might be more useful this way

Wenbobular · Jul 18, 2011

Then you can reference all my Luigi posts, hohoho ...

0Room · Jul 18, 2011

You're right. Get them all together
edit
and just put them here
considering I'm not in charge of this thread lol

ETWIST51294 · Jul 18, 2011

TheManaLord said:
supp!! graduated college completely broke just got a part time job minimum wage I LOVE AMERICA!!!

gonna chip away at my loans and start travelling for smash again, i will meet you time is just a strange thing

Yo Manalord, why you don't post no more, son

Windrose · Jul 18, 2011

I've always had a fear that we're gonna one day have to tackle this "information spread everywhere and is unorganized" problem.

That's a pretty nice collection of stuff 0Room. some stuff is not as credible as others though. Magus' posts are definitely credible and are what I spent the past 30 minutes reading.

There's so many TINY little things we have to know about this game and they help SOO much....

That dthrow-->FJ/IDJ-->FF nair against peach at 0% if they DI/SDI the dthrow up is SOO specific....

Head is frustrated... but learned a lot....

0Room · Jul 18, 2011

That's why I collected everything lol
Not everything in every post is useful/as true as it seems if taken literally
But it's meant to be a starting place to go off into other ideas/explanations

Windrose · Jul 18, 2011

I guess so....if only magus made a smash pedia...

There are so many things that Scar made that was great and organized in his first few posts of the training regimen...but they are incomplete and seems like will never be finished.

Juggleguy · Jul 26, 2011

0Room said:
2 things: I've been going through the old pages of the Scar thread
and holy **** we've lost so much knowledge. Why do we keep asking the same questions over and over again? [irony lol?]

So what I'm asking is that this thread be revamped so that this doesn't happen for this thread.
Put all of the Matchups on the front page, sort them, color code them even, and spoiler them. [on this site it's

]
You've already started this but I want to expand a little bit on it. This'll save space while still having all the information we need.
For example:

Top Tier
Falco

general match up:
lol this match up is gay
Counter Picks: Battlefield [?]
Interesting posts related to: smashboards/falcoisgay

High Tier
CF

General: Do whatever makes you angry against the other person
CP: If you have to ask....
Interesting posts relating to: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=8954050

etc

2)
I would like to add this into the Ganon spoiler
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8954050&postcount=20
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9043975&postcount=6361
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9045034&postcount=6372
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9045571&postcount=6375
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9048373&postcount=6386
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9048626&postcount=6391
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9634637&postcount=8832
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10963251&postcount=12568
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12207165&postcount=15425
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12206613&postcount=15424
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12209067&postcount=15433
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12209067&postcount=15433
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12435033&postcount=16318
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12474866&postcount=16403
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12545094&postcount=16714
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12547104&postcount=16724
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12551290&postcount=16744
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12901059&postcount=17977

This into the spacies folder
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11322590&postcount=13244
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9044240&postcount=6366
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9147264&postcount=6791
This is about Fox/Falco illusions, not just at the ledge but above it as well
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9145449&postcount=6786
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9379260&postcount=7523
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9421957&postcount=7716
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9451642&postcount=7848
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9733055&postcount=9051
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9784815&postcount=9170
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5481405&postcount=44
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10153016&postcount=10198
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10236113&postcount=10476
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10303472&postcount=10802
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10577124&postcount=11556
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10577151&postcount=11557
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10944589&postcount=12555
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11174818&postcount=13001
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11320009&postcount=13239
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11484624&postcount=13577
I dunno about this but http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11911612&postcount=14529
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12122453&postcount=15125
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12125925&postcount=15146
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12126839&postcount=15151
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12169630&postcount=15267
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12216977&postcount=15462
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12247622&postcount=15569
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12327974&postcount=15936
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12331458&postcount=15947
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12447352&postcount=16341
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12505626&postcount=16485
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12614905&postcount=17108
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12614991&postcount=17110
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12615587&postcount=17120
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12616005&postcount=17125
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12616241&postcount=17130
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12616429&postcount=17132
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12885232&postcount=17934
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12848572&postcount=17846
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13055197&postcount=18533
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5548043&postcount=136
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5548175&postcount=137
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5629007&postcount=201
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5811682&postcount=317
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5771058&postcount=296
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5822892&postcount=332
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5937460&postcount=421
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5936519&postcount=410
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6398131&postcount=832
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6723426&postcount=1203
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6722925&postcount=1200
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7043053&postcount=1609
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7058266&postcount=1632

And this into the Peach folder
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8996908&postcount=6053
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9192265&postcount=6946
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9964762&postcount=9539
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10614284&postcount=11615
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12222535&postcount=15468
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12658717&postcount=17247
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12654977&postcount=17236
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13054202&postcount=18522
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13054340&postcount=18524
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13054717&postcount=18528
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5652774&postcount=242
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5651474&postcount=239
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6480168&postcount=859
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6966076&postcount=1430
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7750352&postcount=2755

Marth Folder
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5801888&postcount=305
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9154077&postcount=6809
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9193491&postcount=6957
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9241295&postcount=7068
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9599180&postcount=8701
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10029526&postcount=9716
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10037140&postcount=9744
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5481384&postcount=42
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10302882&postcount=10796
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10845217&postcount=12270
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12409315&postcount=16216
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12409422&postcount=16218
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12547525&postcount=16727
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12596628&postcount=16977
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6126493&postcount=592
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6548846&postcount=918
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6548846&postcount=918
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7115283&postcount=1771
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7561411&postcount=2509

Samus folder
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9408204&postcount=7649
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9408132&postcount=7646
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9411964&postcount=7673
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9412909&postcount=7681
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9568432&postcount=8440
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9784815&postcount=9170
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10779554&postcount=12131
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11145077&postcount=12971
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12209238&postcount=15438
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12246398&postcount=15560
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12516637&postcount=16559
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12521549&postcount=16576
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12929780&postcount=18065
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6065352&postcount=530
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6493225&postcount=867
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6617738&postcount=987
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6963875&postcount=1424
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7087401&postcount=1669

Mewtwo
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6898965&postcount=1331

CF stuff
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9430650&postcount=7772
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10092574&postcount=9898
on if knee will hit if CF is trying to sweet spot the ledge
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10122721&postcount=9995
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10157841&postcount=10212
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12246398&postcount=15560
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12464984&postcount=16379
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12920006&postcount=18035
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12898594&postcount=17971
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6072222&postcount=540
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6068693&postcount=539
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6068119&postcount=537
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6616411&postcount=967
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6938378&postcount=1401

roy
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9446449&postcount=7827
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5950127&postcount=433

pikachu
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10037140&postcount=9744

luigi
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10029526&postcount=9716
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12599789&postcount=17005
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5670035&postcount=248
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7824610&postcount=2929

IC
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9652188&postcount=8871
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9653012&postcount=8877
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10457552&postcount=11221
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10690754&postcount=11904
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10698280&postcount=11941
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5832684&postcount=349
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6100890&postcount=568
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6059324&postcount=526

sheik stuff
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10132485&postcount=10099
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10465630&postcount=11240
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5474546&postcount=5
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5474730&postcount=9
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10548552&postcount=11525
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10776583&postcount=12128
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11182481&postcount=13019
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11446538&postcount=13493
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12122390&postcount=15122
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12123155&postcount=15139
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12428291&postcount=16263
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12429920&postcount=16275
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12434346&postcount=16316
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5738753&postcount=265
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5863185&postcount=379
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6417426&postcount=842
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6355148&postcount=804
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6936484&postcount=1390
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7178032&postcount=1894
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7177281&postcount=1891
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7328534&postcount=2057
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7328208&postcount=2052
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7777758&postcount=2838

Ness
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6244568&postcount=746
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6244411&postcount=745

doc stuff
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11067131&postcount=12784
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12147678&postcount=15215
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12152174&postcount=15224
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5555785&postcount=152
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5559700&postcount=155
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5650725&postcount=237
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5649133&postcount=236
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5647510&postcount=235
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6170392&postcount=649
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6154113&postcount=636
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6152827&postcount=635
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6152742&postcount=634
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6617021&postcount=976

puff stuff
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10532102&postcount=11469
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10799932&postcount=12174
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12010582&postcount=14815
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12584094&postcount=16925
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12584523&postcount=16928
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12584553&postcount=16929
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12585828&postcount=16933
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5911467&postcount=405
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5909113&postcount=403
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6306268&postcount=763
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6291677&postcount=754
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7782748&postcount=2852
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7856092&postcount=2975

Zelda
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12599528&postcount=17004

Lol DK
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5566391&postcount=166
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5574578&postcount=173
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7029009&postcount=1561

General stuff
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9204397&postcount=6984
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stage positioning
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tech chasing
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CC grabbing
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On why people get out of hitstun when you raptor boost them on the ground
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I'll be updating this as I find cool stuff

This post is ****.

0Room · Jul 26, 2011

It's gonna be it's own thread soon

DuckPimp · Jul 27, 2011

it should be

0Room · Jul 27, 2011

DuckPimp said:
Hullo, Falcon peeps.

After proposing the idea to Scar, I decided to start an interactive matchup thread, similar to the one used by SmashGod in the Luigi boards (and possibly others)

The idea is that the matchup thread builds over time based on the experiences of falcon mains across the boards. A character will be discussed one at a time, based on a template given.

Here 'tis

What does Captain Falcon have to watch out for when playing this character? (what makes this character gay or difficult to beat, what makes falcons lose in this matchup, etc)

What can Falcon do to get around these techniques? (i.e. not land next to peach and crouch cancel, although try to keep it to things that arent completely obvious... "LOL dont get hit")

What Falcon should do to **** in this matchup? (i.e. approach, specific edgeguards, gimps, combos (percents VERY welcome) etc)

Percents and DI info- (where percents will go, a combo list of sorts v each character)

Stages to ban/counterpick in this matchup, and why?

General Falcon mindset in this matchup? (ex, what to keep in mind as a mantra of sorts, the primary focus of what you gotta do)

Summary (a conclusion to your matchup essay)

Additional thoughts ("LOL dont get hit")

links to good videos of what to do is encouraged, as is anything that helps.

Most of us have secondaries (or TERTIARIES, if you're fancy) to play as, but assume that we are talking about ONLY Falcon. Otherwise, whats the point of having a Falcon matchup thread if everyone says "Play another character" when we're talking about someone like Sheik?

Discuss other poster's information, to let natural selection take its course.

Information will be updated to the first page of this thread, to allow for easy access.

Anyways, to start, lets begin at the tip top of the tier list. Since the luigi boards are currently discussing Fox, lets start with Marth. Makes sense.

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MARTH:

What Falcon has to watch out for-
Being off the stage, being above Marth, getting grabbed, Marth's range

Marth's edgeguarding game is ridiculous. Once you're off the stage vs a good Marth, thats the stock. Getting grabbed is really bad vs Marth, because they can throw you onto a platform or do silly uthrow utilt combos, or chase you and hit you off the edge. Lastly, Marth's closecombat range is pretty commanding.

What Falcon can do to get around these techniques-
Never go off the stage when you dont need to. Dont run in and knee or nair foolishly, or you will get grabbed. If you do, di down and away. Learn to space attacks and dashdancing, so that you dont run/jump into one of Marth's tilts or fairs or smashes or what have you. When Marth has you in a combo, di away and save your jump. Make the Marth work for their combo, rather than just letting them fair > dair your *** off. When on a platform above Marth, run away. No sense trying to attack by dropping down and getting smashed or grabbed and sent back up there. Also, don't be too crazy with nairs at low/medium percents, good Marths can CC those and whup ya. You can try putting them before Marth get an aerial out, to interrupt their approach and put them on the defense. Finally, dont be repetitive. This goes for all matchups, however. People who are predictable get punished. We should know that, as Falcons.

What Falcon should do to **** in this matchup?-
Combos are always a Falcon's best friend. They are why we play Falcon. Dashdance, and wait for Marth to approach or mess up, and punish. Marths dont have projectiles. They can't laser-camp, or spam pills, or throw vegetables. It can boring, but let them make the first move, or work on your fakeout game to bait them. Punish mostly with grab combos. UThrow to uair or knee is nice, and when those magic percents come up, Grab > Knee. Crouch cancel a lot vs Marth, his aerials are weak and you can grab him after most of them. Be efficient if you want to win. Know when to be flashy, and know when to be merciless.

Percents and DI info (****need verification****)

Uthrow to knee: 70-90
Uthrow to Uair: above 30
DThrow to knee: above 90
Dropzones: ??
etc

After a throw (before knee-kill %'s)
DI in: Nair
No DI: ReGrab, Nair, Uair
DI away: Tech chase, punish jump
On ledge expecting DI in: knee

Stages to ban/counterpick in this matchup, and why?-
Ideally, Falcons want to take Marths to FD, DL64, KJ64, or (if all else fails) Stadium, and bring tha hurt. Small stages leave Falcon cramped, and often Marth can Fsmash and Utilt through the platforms, limiting Falcon's movement even more. Marth's range is pretty devastating if correctly used, or incorrectly dealt with. However, if you get put on a small stage, all is not lost. Knee kills at lower %'s, and Marths get ***** when they're on platforms and you're on the ground. The advantageous position for Falcon over Marth is when we are below them. Their Dair is laggy, and we have moves in our arsenal that bring tha aforementioned hurt. One should always choose a big stage over a small one, as dashdancing and movement is a big part of the matchup.

General Falcon mindset in this matchup?-
Wait for opportunities. Dont go off the edge. Press left and right on the control stick for a while. Mix it up. Watch Percents. Di away from combos. COOOOMBOmmmmm...

Summary-
It is pretty much an even matchup, even though Marth gays Falcon pretty bad. Being smart will let you survive and thrive, being dumb will get you off the stage and dead nearly all four stocks. It's a pretty easy decision to make.

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Fox

What does Captain Falcon have to watch out for when playing this character?-
Fox has quite a few tricks up his furry sleeves to make things, at the very least, difficult for falcon. He gets edgeguarded easily, and shines can gimp like nothing else. Falcon gets grabbed and punished with utilts or uairs or upsmashes. Fox can also waveshine falcon pretty well, which can lead to significant damage or KOs at gimp percentages. Jumping around with nair is a highly effective approach against Falcon. It’s bad, y’all.

What can Falcon do to get around these techniques?-
First off is the shine. Jumping OOS is useful for when you know when you’re going to get shined, as you can be back on your feet quickly, and gtfo quickly. When getting waveshined, rolling out or jumping OOS is useful, but don’t let your rolls get predictable. As Falcons, we know what happens to predictable people in terms of punishment.
This point seems to be following a trend, but don’t go offstage needlessly. Unless youre trying to be soopa-flashy, which in that case do whatever you want, especially if you’re being recorded. Anyways, you run the risk of getting shinespiked (bad.) or bair-edge-guarded (bad.). However, when given the choice, make him bair you rather than shinespike. You have a chance of surviving a couple bairs, based on percent and DI. Shinespike… you dead.
Against nair, there are a couple of ways to deal. If you want to be soopa-angry, nair him as soon as he’s leaving the ground. Then DD away and grab him => ??? => profit. If you’re getting ***** and angry doesn’t cut it, put up that shield. You can roll out, and shieldgrab him if he keeps nairing. You can DDcamp, grab to techchase etc. Just be careful.
When getting tossed onto platforms, figure out what the fox does to proceed. Avoid the tech in place, because that is usually what they look for.

What Falcon should do to **** in this matchup?-
Techchase like a badass. Do it. Do it. Do it. It’s always good, its what Falcon does well. Throw => techchase, nair=> grab, do anything you can in that aspect. If Fox misses a tech, stomp to Knee for the dead.
Use the gentleman as a pseudo-shine. It comes out fast, its disruptive, and it combos well. Abuse it, and mix up full combo and AAgrab to remain hard to predict. It’s good for when you mess up spacing by a little, and to use after nairs to avoid shieldgrabbing and start combos of your own. When spaced effectively, nair => gentleman is extremely difficult to punish, and is great for pressure situations.
Edgeguarding: Dtilt the side-b, follow up. If the situation deems it necessary, get out there and kill him. If theyre firefox-ing, you can drop down and dj-uair, that way you rarely get burned. It’s easier to edgeguard fox when he is below the stage, as he has fewer options. Subconsciously, they may prefer to side-b to the edge rather than up-b from below the stage, so take advantage of that.

Percents and DI info-

Stages to ban/counterpick in this matchup, and why?-
Try and get your *** on DL64 or FD. Falcon is good when he can run around. Ban FoD, and Yoshi’s (or battlefield if you think you’re Scar, and go Yoshi’s).
Uair and upsmash kill you upwards. Obviously. They are two of fox’s best killing moves. Therefore, you may want to pick a stage with a high ceiling (DL64, FD). You will then want a stage to move around on, preferably with platforms to techchase/avoid lasers on.

General Falcon mindset in this matchup?-

Summary-

Additional thoughts-

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Have at it.

Edit: I added "Approach" to the list of discussion topics in "what should falcon do to **** in this matchup", because it wasnt listed there before. Also 'cuz its important.

quoting OP for indexing in case it ever changes

DuckPimp · Jul 31, 2011

itll change. stuff will be added from your archive-diving

Windrose · Jul 31, 2011

are we still talking about tricksies?

I noticed for a while now that hax loves to do very late uairs...short hop super late as possible uair..

this is a great trick as a mixup between all the other different things. I 've been trying to play more like SS lately by using more double jumps, full jumps, empty hops and stuff it works so well.. o_o

double jump knee on shield...empty hop grabs....and that hax super late uair which you can go into gentlemen or w.e...

I feel like I have a lot more different things to do and try to confuse the opponent or catch them off guard when they don't expect things now that i've been trying to do these things rather than just dash dancing alot and spacing nairs with my toes till the end of time.

Deleted member · Jul 31, 2011

cool trick i stole from latest g-reg vids

a month or so ago, g-reg inspired me to add something into my gameplan that works especially well vs fox

g-reg likes to do moves where you whiff on purpose while the opponent is shielding, then hit them quickly when they move out of shield.

doing stuff like really quick short hop b-air that barely misses --> f-tilt lands a LOT more than you expect because most spacies are action players

same concept as a shiek short hop f-airing the air above you while shielding, then quickly falling and d-smashing/f-tilt/ up-tilt

a similar trick from one of the worst falcon mains in socal is to do a short hop up-air towards the opponent that has 0% chance of hitting and then quickly doing a gentleman

you can't keep spamming this 'trick' but its good to add to your skillset. those little hits even from f-tilt can barely bring games into your favor. its much better vs action players then people who shield moronically for years, but also great vs people who you conditioned to always expect getting their shield hit before reacting

0Room · Aug 1, 2011

Yeah that makes sense.

Fortress | Sveet · Aug 1, 2011

On that note, do you think you can react to shield pressure directly? Most of the time I react to the spacing and make my decision as a mixup and not on reaction.

Speaking of mixups, does anyone do the option select where you buffer a roll in such a way that you're safe against both late aerial and tomahawk grab?

Windrose · Aug 2, 2011

i generally dont' like rolling unless i have to =(

There's been one trick that I don't think any falcon use enough...

the YES out of shield.

Magus said it was really good vs sheik's ftilt on shield.

YES out of shield is probably good in many other situations too.... discuss?

Walt · Aug 2, 2011

I use it more as Ganon because it is awesome but yeah up-B OoS is underused.

DuckPimp · Aug 2, 2011

i see it only feasibly being used at high percents. otherwise they can crouchcancel to combostart

right?

0Room · Aug 2, 2011

Yep
I HATE upB for that reason

When you upB fox 7 times near the edge but he keeps getting near you to shinespike you makes me cry

Rolling isn't that bad for Falcon, that's kind of the go to "holy **** I need to get outta here" move for shield pressure
God knows he doesn't have anything else

Windrose · Aug 3, 2011

what about on stage yes out of shield? Most people don't expect it and at mid percents it is a great uhh....mix up.

Mokumo · Aug 3, 2011

I busted out a reverse YES oos the other day. It was against a falco utilting my shield. I felt pretty cool.

I'm pretty sure falcons only gay move is his up tilt

0Room · Aug 3, 2011

His utilt is freaking amazing
It's just hard to time due to Fox's upB doing different angles

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