Incronaut
Smash Ace
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want to share your inspiration? O_o"
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Q&A Falco Q&A
- Thread starter Mogwai
- Start date
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
I don't think it matters that much whether you fastfall before the aerial or after. If you space properly then you don't even have to worry about that stuffz
^ don't listen to this man
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
Why Mogwai? Spacing is far more important than when you're supposed to press down on the control stick for fast falling.
spacing is more important, but that doesn't mean that fast fall timing is irrelevant with good spacing. you want to perfect all aspects of your game, not get lazy and do something incorrectly because you do something else correctly.
fast fall timing is important simply because it lets you minimize your air time. if you fast fall after the hitbox is already out, you're putting yourself in the position of hitting your opponent before the frame before you land (optimal timing to give you as much time out of move lag while they're still in hitlag).
for the record, in a short hop, you'll hit the ground 3 frames after starting a fast fall, even at the peak, and even a nair/bair doesn't come out until frame 4, so you do have to start the aerial pre-fast fall but the optimal timing vs. a grounded opponent (when you don't have to worry about hitting higher hurtboxes) is 1-2 frames after you give the input to do your aerial so that the hitbox comes out on your last airborne frame.
fast fall timing is important simply because it lets you minimize your air time. if you fast fall after the hitbox is already out, you're putting yourself in the position of hitting your opponent before the frame before you land (optimal timing to give you as much time out of move lag while they're still in hitlag).
for the record, in a short hop, you'll hit the ground 3 frames after starting a fast fall, even at the peak, and even a nair/bair doesn't come out until frame 4, so you do have to start the aerial pre-fast fall but the optimal timing vs. a grounded opponent (when you don't have to worry about hitting higher hurtboxes) is 1-2 frames after you give the input to do your aerial so that the hitbox comes out on your last airborne frame.
And crouch canceling isn't important if you don't get hit.
KikoMePlease
Smash Journeyman
Obviously.
Whoosh!!!!
battousai555
Smash Ace
Hey guys, when you get a shine on Fox/Falco on FD (in the middle of the stage, I suppose), what is/are the best way(s) to punish him? What I currently try to do is dair->waveshine until he's at a percent in which the next dair would be techable, then u-air and try nair->d-smash.
I've gotten some 0-deaths using this combo, but I'm sure it was only because my opponent didn't DI the u-air very well.
I've gotten some 0-deaths using this combo, but I'm sure it was only because my opponent didn't DI the u-air very well.
-ShadowPhoenix-
Smash Bash
Hey Mogwai, how did you develop this amazing playstyle? i mean its brilliant!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6hugarQ0qo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6hugarQ0qo
voorhese
Smash Master
oh i remember the first time i saw that lol
mers
Smash Ace
U-air is definitely a mistake. Nair or first hit of fair are better options, or you can try to get fancy and techchase from another dair. A few nairs to an fsmash is the ideal, but its not always possible.
na, mathos developed it many moons ago.
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genkaku
Guest
How do you respond to a campy Peach? It's annoying as heck.
I don't like approaching on her terms because of that dsmash, but neither do I want to stay mid/long range and get perpetual turnips in between us.
Do I just bait and punish?
I don't like approaching on her terms because of that dsmash, but neither do I want to stay mid/long range and get perpetual turnips in between us.
Do I just bait and punish?
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
Referring to the same question is it ever useful to catch a turnip? or just needle?
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Wrong forums or typo o.O?
X1-12
Smash Champion
What should you do if a falcon side B's your shield? I normally try to shield DI -> Shine OoS but it still normally misses them, sometimes I D-air OoS but I've been jabbed out of that before. What is the best option?
laser them?
lol, j/k, I usually just grab.
lol, j/k, I usually just grab.
Ben-Teezee
Smash Apprentice
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dont shield it , almost all ur attacks beat it straight out, and if ur facing away uptilt ***** it, u can also crouch cancel it practically forever and then shine him.
mastermoo420
Smash Ace
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Incronaut
Smash Ace
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This info was golden. thank you mogwai
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genkaku
Guest
Anyone for the Peach question?
voorhese
Smash Master
hows come wen i howld down on da stik i get beet up!?!?!
wait wait wait, you seriously asked how to deal with a campy peach?
shoot that ho moar. seriously, don't let anyone get away with camping you, you're ****ing Falco FFS. You have the best projectile in the game for camping so if someone's giving you problems just camp back.
shoot that ho moar. seriously, don't let anyone get away with camping you, you're ****ing Falco FFS. You have the best projectile in the game for camping so if someone's giving you problems just camp back.
Winston
Smash Master
Usmash OOS should hit every time
dair OOS should also hit before their lag is over if you do it fast enough
dair out of shield actually frequently misses, nair out of shield too. I've found grab and usmash to be the most consistent responses to it.
Winston
Smash Master
Oh really? I actually miss quite often with dair oos too, which is why I use usmash, but I just thought I was doing it wrong.
Why would it miss sometimes but not other times?
Why would it miss sometimes but not other times?
raptor boost can be weird about when it registers that you're close enough for the hitbox to come out and also if your shield is larger, he ends up further away.
Winston
Smash Master
but that seems like it'd affect shieldgrabbing and not dair oos since you can move forward while you dair.
unless the window of lag is that small that the little bit of extra distance to travel makes it not hit in time...
unless the window of lag is that small that the little bit of extra distance to travel makes it not hit in time...
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genkaku
Guest
But that would be impoli- Oh.
um, I don't think so...
I've always been relatively campy at Melee.
I've always been relatively campy at Melee.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
lol is ****ing stupid. play hon if you want to play a dota rehash
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genkaku
Guest
When you waveshine, do you use Y or analog to cancel the shine?
X, lol
don't turn this into a LoL vs. HoN thread. I play the game I enjoy more, I encourage you to do the same.
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genkaku
Guest
haha. Is that 'cause you wavedash with X?
right and I wavedash with x because I jump with x
mogwai does
y for multishines
up for full hop uair
c-stick + L for buffering after a tech
x for everything else
mogwai does
y for multishines
up for full hop uair
c-stick + L for buffering after a tech
x for everything else
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genkaku
Guest
Alright, thanks.