Fact 54 - Mewtwo Is On The Way [Social/General Discussion]

[Ridley_Prime]

Charizard was the biggest thing from the very anticipated pokémon special
This happening was predictable

I can see Mewtwo becoming a boss-battle, solely because of this

Sure, if you ignore Mewtwo having another movie of its own shortly before that special.

 

[C3CC]

Seriously, it will be extremely stupid if Mewtwo doesn't make the cut AGAIN:

1) His relevance was renovated in X and Y when he was given not one, but TWO Mega Evolutions, being one of the only two Pokémon to get two Mega Evolutions, along with Charizard.

2) He had a main role in a very recent movie.

3) He's literally one of the most requested characters.

4) Sakurai already said they were thinking about adding him back.

5) It's MEW-F*CKING-TWO, one of the most iconic and powerful Pokémon out there! Come on!

So, why in the world wouldn't they do it? I'll be REALLY pissed off if he doesn't appear.

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

it took me awhile reading all these opinions but i just saw how MASSIVELY OVERRATED mewtwo is

 

[PLATINUM7]

it took me awhile reading all these opinions but i just saw how MASSIVELY OVERRATED mewtwo is

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Define overrated.

 

[MewtwoX825]

it took me awhile reading all these opinions but i just saw how MASSIVELY OVERRATED mewtwo is

And Greninja isnt?

 

[PLATINUM7]

And Greninja isnt?

IMO they are both not overated.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Define overrated.

I've found the most common definition for 'overrated' used amongst Smash Bros. fans is "People like X and I don't".

 

[LordShade67]

Well, let's see......*pulls out dictionary*

Overrated: adjective /ˌoʊ·vərˈreɪ·t̬ɪd/ › (of something) considered to be better than it really is.

Oh, and while this means nothing in Smash, Mewtwo and Greninja are popular in the Pokemon games for a reason.

 

[MewtwoX825]

I have nothing agianst Greninja, he was my starter in XY like most people as well. Gamefreak made him and Mewtwo high tier pokemon in that game on purpose.

 

[Deleted member]

What are some arguments made against Mewtwo ever since the Smash Direct? Here are some I can think of:

- Gekkouga is in, therefore, Mewtwo won't be in.
- Mewtwo was cut, therefore, Mewtwo won't return.
- Six Pokemons is too much for this game!
- If Squirtle & Ivysaur return, Mewtwo won't.
- Mewtwo is irrelevant.
- Mewtwo is too similar to Lucario and Gekkouga.
- Mewtwo is too low of a priority, so Mewtwo will be cut due to time constraints.
- Mewtwo didn't show up at E3 2014, therefore, Mewtwo won't be in.

I'm thinking about giving a crack at all of these arguments. Shouldn't be too hard to counter.

 

[Gavitro]

it took me awhile reading all these opinions but i just saw how MASSIVELY OVERRATED mewtwo is

It's not just because of Mewtwo's popularity that he gets so many supporters.

Mewtwo was originally in Melee, but for whatever reason was scrapped in Brawl. Much of the fanbase complained about this, and many people here wish for his return to battle.

That, and the fact he has important relevance lately, with "his" role in another movie and Mega Evolutions.

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

overrated as in you guys are putting in arguments, online petitions, and debating like any of it matters. no matter how hard you supporters ***** and moan for him to be in its still up to sakurai and his weird haircut, not outside fanboy opinion.
hundreds of posts here all theorycrafting guesses, speculation, and looking for patterns just make this look like the tinfoil hat wearing section of the internet. im neutral to mewtwo ever since i saw his lame uninspired moveset in melee (ooh tail attacks wow) if they just bring meleetwo in with some added mega evo gimmick without a massive moveset/weight/speed/unique psychic mechanic tastefully redesigned then im not enthused for his return at all. what if he's still terrible?!
what i'm saying his, if they bring him in, and don't do him justice there's no point in him being included, besides theres a TON of equally or more interesting unique well deserved characters that could make it in from wiiu titles along with past nintendo titles other than m2 and that extra spot shouldnt be wasted because some pokenerds and genwunners couldn't let mewtwo go.

 

[Jade_Rock55]

He probably won't be terrible I mean everyone is getting new moves and we have we custom movesets,this is looking like the most balanced smash ever!

Wasted spot?Lets see...
-One of if not the most requested character
-First Mega Evolution
-Had his own movie with that mega.
-One of two pokemon with TWO mega evolutions(other being Charizard and he's been confirmed)
-Six is too many pokemon?(Brawl had six)
-Got a signature move in Gen 5
-Plays a role in a new movie
-Has unfinished data in Brawl

Yeah...so irrelevant.Captain Falcon's last game(F-Zero Climax)was released in 2004 October which is almost a decade ago and it was a Japan Exclusive so we didn't even get it in the U.S.

 

[SchAlternate]

overrated as in you guys are putting in arguments, online petitions, and debating like any of it matters. no matter how hard you supporters ***** and moan for him to be in its still up to sakurai and his weird haircut, not outside fanboy opinion.
hundreds of posts here all theorycrafting guesses, speculation, and looking for patterns just make this look like the tinfoil hat wearing section of the internet. im neutral to mewtwo ever since i saw his lame uninspired moveset in melee (ooh tail attacks wow) if they just bring meleetwo in with some added mega evo gimmick without a massive moveset/weight/speed/unique psychic mechanic tastefully redesigned then im not enthused for his return at all. what if he's still terrible?!
what i'm saying his, if they bring him in, and don't do him justice there's no point in him being included, besides theres a TON of equally or more interesting unique well deserved characters that could make it in from wiiu titles along with past nintendo titles other than m2 and that extra spot shouldnt be wasted because some pokenerds and genwunners couldn't let mewtwo go.

If Sakurai and his team did pay attention to this, it's pretty obvious they'll do their best to make Mewtwo an overly good fighter, vastly surpassing his Melee counterpart, and being more faithful to how Mewtwo actually is in Pokemon games, and to do that they'll likely overhaul most of his playstyle. They aren't just going to be lazy ***** that will give us the same lame, weak Mewtwo that we got in Melee, because that would be a huge middle finger to not just Mewtwo fans, but to everyone in the entire Smash community.

And besides, you should know that Mewtwo IS indeed one of the most iconic, important and well received Pokemon of all time. I mean, he holds the status of being the first "ultimate Pokemon" in the series.

 

[Goten21]

The Pokemon movie with Genesect was where Mewtwo mega evolved into its Y form. That came out before the special did.

Sure, if you ignore Mewtwo having another movie of its own shortly before that special.

Mhm
He could also obviously end up as a playable character
I don't actually even see him not making the cut for anything

 

[KenboCalrissian]

overrated as in you guys are putting in arguments, online petitions, and debating like any of it matters. (...) hundreds of posts here all theorycrafting guesses, speculation, and looking for patterns (...)

All of these things strike me as reasons why people frequent message boards. If you're not being entertained, then what are you doing here?

 

[woopyfrood]

hundreds of posts here all theorycrafting guesses, speculation, and looking for patterns just make this look like the tinfoil hat wearing section of the internet.

Well, what the hell else are we supposed to talk about? Go to any other character's page and you'll find the exact same thing. Even if they're confirmed, there will be guesses and wishes as to how they have been changed.

If we want to talk about something that isn't extrapolation or guesswork, then we need tangible information on Mewtwo's status. We have no sure idea when such information will arise, from official sources or otherwise. However, we still want to talk about the character in the meantime, so we theorize and hypothesize to pass the time until Mewtwo is actually confirmed or deconfirmed. Until we get some relevant news, that's all there is to do. When we do get new info (such as the reveal of Greninja), it's only proper to discuss what this new information might mean for Mewtwo.

If speculation disgusts you, why are you on a fan forum?

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

All of these things strike me as reasons why people frequent message boards. If you're not being entertained, then what are you doing here?

someone suggested mewtwo fans draw alot of similarities to religous nuts.
they were (kinda) right

 

[Swamp Sensei]

someone suggested mewtwo fans draw alot of similarities to religous nuts.
they were (kinda) right

You can say the thing for literally any group.

Every group has their nuts.

Why are you focusing on Mewtwo's fans?

 

[woopyfrood]

It's not that every group has their nuts, but rather that comparisons to religion can be made with any fandom. The only tenet is "Like X," but liking something is personal preference and will thus vary from person to person, meaning a fandom is naturally very exclusive. Only people who happen to like that thing/character/series/whatever are invited, the rest can be gone.

However, it only gets "nutty" if the group of people follows dogmatic guidelines to the point of becoming airtight against new information or opinions. I like to think we give ample opportunity for detractors to debate with us, rather than just close our ears and turn them away. Of course, since we are fans of Mewtwo, we are predisposed to support his full-fledged return, so trying to argue against that is about as effective as trying to convince us to stop liking Mewtwo.

 

[IsmaR]

overrated as in you guys are putting in arguments, online petitions, and debating like any of it matters. no matter how hard you supporters ***** and moan for him to be in its still up to sakurai and his weird haircut, not outside fanboy opinion.
hundreds of posts here all theorycrafting guesses, speculation, and looking for patterns just make this look like the tinfoil hat wearing section of the internet.

You're right. Would you like me to close this and every single thread on this site? On the Internet, for that matter? Or would you prefer I outlaw opinions, speculation and all thoughts about anything ever?

im neutral to mewtwo ever since i saw his lame uninspired moveset in melee (ooh tail attacks wow) if they just bring meleetwo in with some added mega evo gimmick without a massive moveset/weight/speed/unique psychic mechanic tastefully redesigned then im not enthused for his return at all. what if he's still terrible?!

You...don't play him? And let others who will still play as him regardless have their fun?

what i'm saying his, if they bring him in, and don't do him justice there's no point in him being included

You really think any of these are being "done justice" when they're getting demolished by and ?

It's a non-canon party fighting game. of all things can keep up with . Smash has always been about fun, not staying true to canon.

besides theres a TON of equally or more interesting unique well deserved characters that could make it in from wiiu titles along with past nintendo titles other than m2 and that extra spot shouldnt be wasted because some pokenerds and genwunners couldn't let mewtwo go.

I'm just gonna take a wild guess and say the ones in your sig are included in this "TON."

And really? People who like one of the most fleshed out and conceptually bad-arse Pokemon are nerds and genwunners? People who've never even played the 1st Gen love Mewtwo. Resort to calling anyone names again and I'll infract you.

 

[Steelia]

Sure, if you ignore Mewtwo having another movie of its own shortly before that special.

And also being in the exact same special, one-shotting Articuno, and forcing Champion Red to Mega Evolve his starter just to take him down.

On another note,

seeing Mewtwo front-and-center in very recent promotional material like this, right next to Charizard, warms the cockles of my heart & reminds me just how much Game Freak has been pushing for him in the market the last few years alone.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

And also being in the exact same special, one-shotting Articuno, and forcing Champion Red to Mega Evolve his starter just to take him down.

On another note,

seeing Mewtwo front-and-center in very recent promotional material like this, right next to Charizard, warms the cockles of my heart & reminds me just how much Game Freak has been pushing for him in the market the last few years alone.

Lots a people are doubting mewtwo and yet he gets yet another promotion

Plus poke floats theme is in and that was his theme in melee

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Yeah.. and I love that animation for Mewtwo X there, whatever projectile move that was.

 

[IsmaR]

Looks like Focus Blast to me.

 

[ZombieVito]

Plus poke floats theme is in and that was his theme in melee

For real? This is definitely a great indicator that he is in.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

For real? This is definitely a great indicator that he is in.

I wouldn't count that as an indicator because the song was in Brawl as well.

 

[NintenRob]

I wouldn't count that as an indicator because the song was in Brawl as well.

What makes it Mewtwos theme anyway? I always associate with Jigglypuff considering Poke Floats was her All Star Stage.

 

[ZombieVito]

I wouldn't count that as an indicator because the song was in Brawl as well.

I did not know that. I dis not get Brawl for obvious reasons.

 

[woopyfrood]

I wouldn't count that as an indicator because the song was in Brawl as well.

And Mewtwo was planned for Brawl. On the checklist of including a character, "port their associated music" is a pretty easy thing to check, and even if they ultimately don't make it in there's really very little reason to bother taking out the music. Just my thought process. Of course, the Poke Floats music is associated with the Pokemon series in general, so perhaps there is no deeper meaning.

seeing Mewtwo front-and-center in very recent promotional material like this, right next to Charizard, warms the cockles of my heart & reminds me just how much Game Freak has been pushing for him in the market the last few years alone.

I sure hope the kids are digging Mewtwo, because the only way the Pokemon Company is going to gauge the success of all this Mewtwo promotion is by the money, and I'm not in the Pokemon-merchandise-purchasing demographic. The only way my wallet factors into this is that Mewtwo's inclusion in SSB4 will determine whether or not I buy the game, and a Wii U besides.

 

[IsmaR]

On a somewhat lighter note.

Spoiler

All the badassery in the world doesn't make it any less adorable.

 

[woopyfrood]

Appropriately, Mewtwo in Pokemon Amie finds being patted on the head to be patronizing. However, it would have been better if its comically serious demeanor had been played up more clearly.

 

[IsmaR]

Even before Amie, I enjoyed watching my Mewtwo roll around in the grass as it followed me in Heart Gold.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Same here. I miss that follow-you-around feature from HG/SS.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

What makes it Mewtwos theme anyway? I always associate with Jigglypuff considering Poke Floats was her All Star Stage.

Mewtwo is a Kanto native, so Poke Floats's BGM pretty much goes with it.

 

[woopyfrood]

Same here. I miss that follow-you-around feature from HG/SS.

Next handheld generation you'll get to see them follow you around in full 3D!

 

[ViewtifulHoe242]

seems i dug myself into another opinion hole.

You can say the thing for literally any group.

Every group has their nuts.

Why are you focusing on Mewtwo's fans?

because theyre undoubtedly the loudest, can that be denied? look how many unnecessary petitions and other unorganized methods were made to put him in sm4sh from desperate fans, maybe its another characters turn to shine? ugh im really not trying to piss on the the mewtwo fanboy anthill here just stating my unpopular opinions, pissing off fans/fanboys never ends well lol.

If speculation disgusts you, why are you on a fan forum?

because nothing's being accomplished, everyone's just spinning their wheels. what can be said here can contribute to his possible return in the new game?! (if you can answer that without opinions or fanboy bull**** i WILL see reason) i was just wondering how there could be so much talk when theres no concrete proof that he's even in. but yeah the whole gathered internet fanbase forum thing was never interesting to me so i fail to see the appeal.

much opinion meny wurd such moduratur

Spoiler

-hey man, you guys can talk/type till your fingers hurt its of no concern to me, like i said it just seems sad lonely and pointless talking to a bunch of strangers online who you have barely any common interests with. but thats just me, someone who prefers a face to face conversation.
-they can have their fun but think of the people who wanted their favorite characters to get in but never even got a chance because a spot was taken, time constraints, etc etc (those poor ridley fans)
-they are getting done justice i think. in the direct sakurai said movesets were being "revamped" hopefully to give other characters better options in matchups and you're right, i also could care less about canon here.
-good job with the baseless assumption, you're gonna go far making those. i was thinking way bigger than the pokes in my sig when i said that. bowser jr, another f zero character, king k rool, knuckle joe, that geno dude, another popular FE character, bayonetta, a namco character. and on and on and on.... enough with the pokeymanz
- its all you and m2 fans opinions, others may not see him as such, i didnt come here to ruffle feathers its an opinion not a **** so dont take it so hard

oh no, internet discipline whatever will i do? pssh act how you feel man i really don't give a **** :/

 

[YoshiandToad]

-good job with the baseless assumption, you're gonna go far making those. i was thinking way bigger than the pokes in my sig when i said that. bowser jr, another f zero character, king k rool, knuckle joe, that geno dude, another popular FE character, bayonetta, a namco character. and on and on and on.... enough with the pokeymanz

I think if Geno got in over Mewtwo many people would be annoyed, not even just Pokemon fans. I'm not even a big advocate of Mewtwo, but good lord man...Geno, who is used to be a popular but completely irrelevant character to his series over Mewtwo who is being showcased every where and has a lot going for him?

 

[False Sense]

seems i dug myself into another opinion hole.


because theyre undoubtedly the loudest, can that be denied? look how many unnecessary petitions and other unorganized methods were made to put him in sm4sh from desperate fans, maybe its another characters turn to shine? ugh im really not trying to piss on the the mewtwo fanboy anthill here just stating my unpopular opinions, pissing off fans/fanboys never ends well lol.

because nothing's being accomplished, everyone's just spinning their wheels. what can be said here can contribute to his possible return in the new game?! (if you can answer that without opinions or fanboy bull**** i WILL see reason) i was just wondering how there could be so much talk when theres no concrete proof that he's even in. but yeah the whole gathered internet fanbase forum thing was never interesting to me so i fail to see the appeal.

hey man, you guys can talk/type till your fingers hurt its of no concern to me, like i said it just seems sad lonely and pointless talking to a bunch of strangers online who you have barely any common interests with. but thats just me, someone who prefers a face to face conversation.

I think Ridley supporters could give Mewtwo fans some serious competition for the loudest fanbase.

And, really... You keep saying how you don't like the idea of this forum, yet you're still here with over 200 posts.