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Evolution is true? (macro evolution)

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Crimson King

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I have no problem listening to opposing opinions, but that is your problem right there. Instead of creating an opinion on your own research, you took ideas from another argument and passed them off as your own. The issue is that while you did no research, the people on the CD did, and if confronted, they could accurately argue their stance in a manner that isn't condescending or frustrating to the opposition. In your lack of substance behind your arguments, I laughed at several things you said because you had nothing to back it up, this is why a lot of people came off as frustrated and angry with you.

I really urge you to read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins with an open-mind. He even says he is not trying to convert people from theology, but trying to enlighten people. I speak as a former Christian who used to despise Dawkins when I knew nothing about him, and he speaks well, respectfully, and knowledgeably.
 

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im at school right now and im on my phone, but when i get home i believe i have answers for you guys.

and just so i leave you with something, i want to respond about why i have proof about God.

lets say you have pieces of a watch in a shoe box. now lets say you shake it for 10 minutes. will you have a functioning watch when you stop? nope. now shake it for 50 billion years, will you have a functioning watch? nope.

now imagine that with the universe. do you think something so complex and orederly just happened? logic says that it is impossible.

if you asked someone to prove that a building had a builder what would they say? well it wouldnt just build itself right?

correct, if you placed all the parts neccesart for a building in a pile, would a building just appear? no.

every building has a builder.

now imagine this,

billionas of years ago something happened and a liquid was made, then something else happened and aluminum molecules formed. something else happened and it formed into a cylinder. then liquid went into the cylinder and then it got topped off by more aluminum. then 50 years ago something else happened and some red got slapped on it and a label, expiration date, and nutritional facts. and i want you to believe this. that would be an insult to your intellect if i wanted you to believe this. but you believe something so infinately complex like the universe just happened. everything working together the way it does just happened? not logical. only a creator could have done it.

ill write more when i get home, my phone needs a break.

Last night I was a little obnoxious and aggressive since I didn't have much patience, but now that I'm coming to my senses I need to make some things clearer here.

First of all, a more accurate analogy of evolution would have it to where each time a few pieces of the watch came together it saved that larger piece and continued the process. That is, things build up in increments, not in one giant leap. Now were some of those increments complex? Oh yes. But there was a lot of time for these things to happen, and an unimaginable amount of variations that could have but probably never did occur. Imagine there was some sort of part that is so improbable that it would virtually never emerge from evolution, well...we simply wouldn't see it. However there are many things that can happen, and reasonably one of these things would happen within the given time. Macroevolution can be somewhat thought of as a larger microevolution. Microevolution is considerably faster paced because the organisms reproduce a lot more and have shorter life spans. If you imagined for a second that you were a Space Giant and you were watching the earth you might see lots of little furry organisms zipping and zapping about over your relativistic sense of time. To you these would be microscopic organisms that reproduced and had super short life spans, compared to your life span of millions of years. The only difference here would be the time it would take. Lots of changes can occur in microevolution within merely years, and lots can happen in macroevolution of periods thousands and millions of years.

But why are changes so drastic sometimes? Imagine this, we have Organism A which is nearly perfectly adapted to Environment A. There isn't much to be improved in this ideal balance between nature and adaption. However say suddenly a large quantity of some sort of fruit can destroyed by an invasion of pests. Suddenly there are not enough resources for our species to survive. Most likely the species that are better at collecting fruit in the new competitive envionrment will prevail. Another advantage would be a small size, if you are smaller then you need to eat less to survive. Etc etc. Evolution in this new hazardous enviornment would occur a lot faster than in the peaceful environment.

The universe is a whole other discussion, but I'll just point out that logic doesn't say it is impossible. Logic is a far more strict system of thought than that, and to even begin to say something is impossible you would have to define much better what exactly it is you are talking about. Also the definitions will have to be related to the reasoning or else it will end up being random. Intuitive, perhaps, but logically impossible? You're very far from that. There are other major problems but I think that is the most important thing.

The last paragraph is basically what we call Straw Man, which is basically when you stretch out your opponent's position inaccurately and with the intent of making it look absurd. It doesn't really need to be replied to but I'm trying to make things more clear so I will comment on some things. First of all, we know how we got heavier elements. It happened through nuclear fusion in stars. When a star would supernova we would get a lot of these heavier elements shot out across space. If you want more information about this entire process, and also the formation of our solar system, go look around.

There is another major problem, and that is that you are using your own incredulity as a crutch. Since you do not know what we think occurred you are not really in the position to start attacking us for things we supposedly don't know. A real scientist tries to understand something the best he can to find the real serious problem with it. You seem to be trying not to understand what we think happened so that you can have a wider selection of "serious problems" because you don't know that all these serious problems have serious answers. When you hear about nuclear fusion, don't just stop and say, "But how did we get the Earth from that point?" and pretend it's a serious problem. Just keep finding the answers to the questions. If there ever is a point where you really can't find an answer, and no one seems to have an answer, and it's a very serious question that demands very serious attention, *and* you have a theory that answers all the questions plus these other unanswered fundamental questions, then maybe you have something to be sharing.
 

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sorry for the double posts but i wanted a fresh place for this.

Intro

Chapter 1

Chapter 2

Chapter 3

Chapter 4

Chapter 5

Chapter 6

Chapter 7

Chapter 8

Chapter 9

Chapter 10

Chapter 11

Chapter 12


From here you can listen to it directly or you can download it.

im not sure you, but you may have to register to this website. i just did it and it was easy.

just give your email and a password. it was like 5 seconds, but anyways this is it.

One Heartbeat Away

By: Mark Cahill

enjoy =]

listen with an open mind
 

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…And y’know, evolution doesn’t even DISAPPROVE of your God! It’s not TOO hard for you to at least go “Well maybe God made evolution?”
It’s not too far-fetched, is it? God made science maybe?
^This is the way I look at things, lol.

It's kinda hard to really disprove/prove God in areas where no one knows anything, yet we debate like crazy mother ****ers. The problem I have is discussions like this where the believer in God makes himself look like a total asshead because he uses zero evidence in his arguments while attacking the 'atheists' or in some cases, smarter believers in a God. These attacks are always stupid and dont make sense, yet still come to the same conclusion as to level headed people discussing the beginning of everything.


Nobody ****ing knows. So until someone cant point out a concrete fact that 100% states 'LOL GOD DUN EXIST THIS IS IT *****' I shall continue to look forward to a long stay in heaven assuming I don't crack from my random bouts of rage and go off and murder hundreds.
 

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hmm you know what according to the Bible God doesnt listen to a sinners prayer.

only if the sinner repents and asks that Jesus come into his heart, then God wil begin to listen.

i hope all the "studies" the scientists did were with actualy devoted christians. if not then it was a waste of time.

my girlfriends dad had cancer before he came to our church. he could barely walk. he used like a cane or something to walk. after 2 years of being in church he has no cancer. coincidence?

another woman in my church had cancer. this was about a year ago. she took kimo and all her hair fell out. now she has no cancer and her hair is growing back. coincidence?

a preacher came to our church about a month ago, and prayed for the sick. he has the gift of healing i believe.

about 3 people had back problems, healed on the spot.

there were a few women with ovaries pain all the time, healed on the spot.

there were a few other people who were healed to right there. all coincidence?

the same preacher came yesterday and cast out demons from 2 people.

you should have seen it. demons are real. the womens body shaking on the floor as the demons were cast out. sounds crazy right? its Biblical. the 2 women are normal women, actually one is around 18 or 19 and she has come to church before but she started to leave slowly. she came back yesterday and every demon inside her was cast out. the other woman who is around 45ish instantly took off her necklaces or "chains" as it made her feel chained. she began to cry and accepted Jesus.

you see you need to pray to God to cast out demons, you must pray in the name of Jesus.

not anyone can do this. it is a gift from God. you have to be mentally and spiritually ready.

you cannot honestly believe that answered prayers are coincidences.
 

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God doesnt do anything about any prayer because they have already been planned to be answered before you even bother praying. So if the same things will happen regardless of if you pray or not (its in his divine plan after all) then why bother praying (well arguably you will pray because that too is in the divine plan).


Dont you love omniscience, robbing us of our free will.

By the way, this response is in gods divine plan too, I couldnt help myself.
 

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hmm you know what according to the Bible God doesnt listen to a sinners prayer.
Aren't we all sinners? Oops.

you cannot honestly believe that answered prayers are coincidences.
They are coincidences.

Let's use the same exact logic you're using from a different perspective. I pray to my god, Ernesto, the Constipated Armadillo in the sky, to heal my friend who is terminal with cancer. Miraculously, he makes a turn-around and becomes cured. I praise Ernesto the Constipated Armadillo in the sky, because He is faithful and great and mighty.

Was it really Ernesto who cured my friend, or was it the doctors? Perhaps it was just mere coincidence.

Hey, I have an idea! Next time someone you know becomes terminally ill, don't take them to a hospital in the first place, because God will just cure them anyway.

Don't stand on the achievements of competent men and then pretend like it's your ridiculous deity that did it.
 

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God knows everything that will happen, thats true.

but that doesnt mean he's making you do anything. do you ever do something becuase God is making you? nope.

he just knows what you will do, before you do it. he knows our hearts.

he isnt robbing us from anything.
 

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By the way, this response is in gods divine plan too, I couldnt help myself.
I love coming to religion threads in a cranky mood because it always cheers me up.

Jonah, you didn't even respond to my post.
 

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that was in responce to manhunter, calm down. give me a second to edit and answer

Aren't we all sinners? Oops.



They are coincidences.

Let's use the same exact logic you're using from a different perspective. I pray to my god, Ernesto, the Constipated Armadillo in the sky, to heal my friend who is terminal with cancer. Miraculously, he makes a turn-around and becomes cured. I praise Ernesto the Constipated Armadillo in the sky, because He is faithful and great and mighty.

Was it really Ernesto who cured my friend, or was it the doctors? Perhaps it was just mere coincidence.

Hey, I have an idea! Next time someone you know becomes terminally ill, don't take them to a hospital in the first place, because God will just cure them anyway.

Don't stand on the achievements of competent men and then pretend like it's your ridiculous deity that did it.
oh really so now cancer is curable? how many people have died from cancer? oh yea.

why does it happen that these 2 who were in our church and had the prayer of every person in the church get healed? oh yea.

we are all sinners, but once we have Jesus in our heart we are redeemed. if you dont then your just a sinner. i may be a sinner, but i have Jesus in me to forgive me of my sins, and to intercede with God for us.
 

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God knows everything that will happen, thats true.

but that doesnt mean he's making you do anything. do you ever do something becuase God is making you? nope.

he just knows what you will do, before you do it. he knows our hearts.

he isnt robbing us from anything.
I never said god made me do anything. But he knows what I am going to choose. If everything is in the divine plan I dont need to worry about going to heaven or hell because I will still perform the actions that will make sure I end up in one or the other.


And it was hyperbole when I said that omniscience deprives us of our free will, since it really doesnt truly do that, however the existence of omniscience makes certain of what we are going to do, even though its our will to do it.



Oh and depending on the type of cancer you have...yes it can be essentially cured. It can also be indefinitely halted in its growth so that it doesnt kill you as well.
 

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I never said god made me do anything. But he knows what I am going to choose. If everything is in the divine plan I dont need to worry about going to heaven or hell because I will still perform the actions that will make sure I end up in one or the other.


And it was hyperbole when I said that omniscience deprives us of our free will, since it really doesnt truly do that, however the existence of omniscience makes certain of what we are going to do, even though its our will to do it.
i dont think you understand what your saying. you choose to go to heaven or hell. you know the steps neccesary, and if not i can tell you them. you should be worried about where you go. because one place woulnt be fun to go to. you can change everything. there is Gods will, and God's perfect will. God allow some things to happen, which are within his will. then theres God perfect will, were everything happens just the way he wanted it to. we can choose to go against his perfect will, but still be in his will.
its hard to explain but maybe you understood

im not sure of this but i believe my girlfriends dad was terminal. ill ask
 

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that was in responce to manhunter, calm down. give me a second to edit and answer



oh really so now cancer is curable? how many people have died from cancer? oh yea.

why does it happen that these 2 who were in our church and had the prayer of every person in the church get healed? oh yea.

we are all sinners, but once we have Jesus in our heart we are redeemed. if you dont then your just a sinner. i may be a sinner, but i have Jesus in me to forgive me of my sins, and to intercede with God for us.
And you ignored the "Ernesto" part of his argument...

I mean, people pray to Vishnu, Allah, etc etc. and get their prayers answered...hell, I could pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and get my prayers answered...in my mind, it would seem as if the FSM was real...but would I be wrong?
 

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i dont think you understand what your saying. you choose to go to heaven or hell. you know the steps neccesary, and if not i can tell you them. you should be worried about where you go. because one place woulnt be fun to go to. you can change everything. there is Gods will, and God's perfect will. God allow some things to happen, which are within his will. then theres God perfect will, were everything happens just the way he wanted it to. we can choose to go against his perfect will, but still be in his will.
its hard to explain but maybe you understood
Of course you choose where to go, but you are already predestined to make one choice or the other. It IS in gods divine plan. I dont need to worry about something that is predestined because that would be pointless.
 

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And you ignored the "Ernesto" part of his argument...

I mean, people pray to Vishnu, Allah, etc etc. and get their prayers answered...hell, I could pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and get my prayers answered...in my mind, it would seem as if the FSM was real...but would I be wrong?
if you want to listen to this. it might answer your question, there is a few chapters before this but this is the one on which god is the real God.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/f7f86308-3b7e-48e0-81c9-163a8cf06d82/OHA---Chapter03



Of course you choose where to go, but you are already predestined to make one choice or the other. It IS in gods divine plan. I dont need to worry about something that is predestined because that would be pointless.
so you dont care if you go to hell?

if you dont believe in God you are destined to go to hell.

doesnt that scare you? doesnt that make you want to make sure you go to heaven?

i would.
 

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While making my way through the audiobook, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI&feature=related
That's a really good video. Best optical illusion in the world?
Oh yes.

Also, Diaper, I find it a little hard to believe your story about two girls being infected by devils -- the spasms and all.

I'll check out your CD thing soon.

EDIT:

Also, it sucks that God sends you to Hell because you don't believe in him. What about people from faraway lands that have never heard of him? What about babies that die during their birth? What about really GOOD people who help others selflessly their whole lives but just don't accept God?

Why do these people go to Hell? What did they do to deserve this? Just because they don't worship the Christian God?
 

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so you dont care if you go to hell?

if you dont believe in God you are destined to go to hell.

doesnt that scare you? doesnt that make you want to make sure you go to heaven?

i would.

You havent quite gotten it yet. If I am going to heaven or hell is already determined in gods divine plan isnt it?

Therefore I will take the actions that will bring me to one or the other, furthermore they will be the actions that I wanted to take because I have free will, its just that my destiny is already determined and I cant change it.
 

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That's a really good video. Best optical illusion in the world?
Oh yes.

Also, Diaper, I find it a little hard to believe your story about two girls being infected by devils -- the spasms and all.

I'll check out your CD thing soon.
its ok if you dont believe it, but you know i was there and stuff. i believe it. it really is a strange thing to see but once you understand whats happening its all to real.

You havent quite gotten it yet. If I am going to heaven or hell is already determined in gods divine plan isnt it?

Therefore I will take the actions that will bring me to one or the other, furthermore they will be the actions that I wanted to take because I have free will, its just that my destiny is already determined and I cant change it.
i dont understand your logic.

but Divine Plan aside.

only you choose your destination.

if you die and confront God, will you tell him what your telling me?

"you already knew where i was going so there was no point"

and he'll be like

ok bye.

hell.

everyone chooses their actions, thus everyone chooses their eternal destiny.

heaven or hell. worrying about it is up to you.
 

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its ok if you dont believe it, but you know i was there and stuff. i believe it. it really is a strange thing to see but once you understand whats happening its all to real.



i dont understand your logic.

but Divine Plan aside.

only you choose your destination.

if you die and confront God, will you tell him what your telling me?

"you already knew where i was going so there was no point"

and he'll be like

ok bye.

hell.

everyone chooses their actions, thus everyone chooses their eternal destiny.

heaven or hell. worrying about it is up to you.
That's ridiculous. You assume God didn't already know he would say that. Wouldn't he take it into account in the first place?
 

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Great summation about free will by our very own Alt.

It's really pretty simple. In order to have Free Will, there must be options.

Imagine a world where everything happens deterministically, much like a video game. Everything that happens in this world is is determined strictly according to the state of the world previously, and progresses in a well defined manner.

Certainly no creatures or objects in this world can be said to have Free Will. They have no choice about what to do, their actions are determined entirely by the laws of the world. Everything in this world have no options. Given a particular state of the world, there is only one possible way for the world to end up later. Thus there is no choice involved at all, everything just progresses in a boring deterministic fashion.

Makes sense, yes? In order to make choices, there must be options.

Well, if there exists an omniscient being, then there are no options. This being already knows the state of the universe and all of its future states. In other words: it already knows what the creatures and objects in the universe will do. There are no options. A creature in this world has no choice about what to do. Their future is already determined and they cannot change it.

Get it?
 

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alright

well whatever you guys thinkkk

like i said the Bible says how to get to heaven or hell.

i can imagine its there for a reason but hey, thats what i think

i cant force you to believe
 

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And you cant change it either, because you will live out your life completing it. Everyone who already existed, who does exist, and will exist, is predestined to specifically heaven or hell, and it isnt their choice that they will end up there, its just how the divine plan works, this person WILL be born a sinner who hates Jesus for his entire life, and this man will dedicate himself to god. Its already been decided and we cant change it.
 

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Actually, the very concept of Hell goes against the notion that god if all-loving. Hell is the absence of god, but he casts you there, for ETERNITY, because you don't accept him. That's not unconditional love at all. If you accept him, you go to heaven. That is reciprocated love.

As for the healings? Yeah, cancer IS, in essence, curable, just people have relapses. And the demons in the girls? Bull****. How come only people who believe in god and demons get possessed, but people who don't, never do. How come celebrities never get possessed? I have had a priest in High School on a retreat claim that he stood for a pre-exorcism meeting, and the child in question had such a corrupt demon inside of him, that while they prayed, lights flicked, and a laugh, deeper than the child was capable of, was emitted. Of course, the family was religious. So, why do the non-religious ever get possessed? Why do the lazy Christians never get possessed?
 

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well whatever you guys thinkkk

like i said the Bible says how to get to heaven or hell.

i can imagine its there for a reason but hey, thats what i think

i cant force you to believe
You are horrible at debating. You always give up and say "god told me, so whatever kthxbai".
If you are going to try to have debates dont half *** it.
 

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so you dont care if you go to hell?

if you dont believe in God you are destined to go to hell.

doesnt that scare you? doesnt that make you want to make sure you go to heaven?
My dream is to become a scientist that finds the cure for cancer. I plan on donating lots of my extra money. I have lived very ethically, and i have not done anything extremely sinful. I like to be helpful and volunteer. (Oh yeah, and I don't believe in god)

So yes, I totally deserve to go to hell.

On the notion that it scares me, I'm not gonna believe in crap my entire life out of fear.
 

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My dream is to become a scientist that finds the cure for cancer. I plan on donating lots of my extra money. I have lived very ethically, and i have not done anything extremely sinful. I like to be helpful and volunteer. (Oh yeah, and I don't believe in god)

So yes, I totally deserve to go to hell.
Inorite? And D: that murderer/rapist/sex-addict/drug-dealer/pedophile deserves to go to Heaven because he believes in God...[/sarcasm]

At any rate, seconded...I find it petty that God would send a perfectly good person doing good in the world to hell just because they don't believe in Him, and yet, He'd send a career criminal to heaven because they DO...

I also find that if God does indeed exist, that he's beyond sadistic...He "tests" His children by killing them in slow and painful ways? And don't forget the story of Job...God made the poor guy's life a living hell just to win a bet against Satan...

In all honesty, if God does exist, and the Bible does speak the truth about Him, I'd rather go to hell than praise such an egocentric and sadistic creature...
 

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so you dont care if you go to hell?

if you dont believe in God you are destined to go to hell.

doesnt that scare you? doesnt that make you want to make sure you go to heaven?

i would.
hello jonadiaper,

im christain aswell, i just wanted to say that you shouldnt believe out of fear to go to hell.

sorry for my bad english hehe but i hope you get my point
 

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but what about the people who never hear about God?
I haven't read most of this thread ( was at smash tournaments) and plan to just visit this occasionally....


-Anyways-


There's a passage in Romans and a couple others that kind of explains that. It talks about how you can perceive God simply by looking at his creation. Kind of how you could look at a sword and say "Wow, this was made by a great blacksmith" or a painting and realize the painter's talent.... except on a grander, more personal scale. There could be other ways, I'm completely unsure.

This does, however, lead me to believe that the notion of "believing in God" isn't necessarily saying "I believe in you God", but something more complex. It is said repeatedly in the Bible though that good deeds alone do not get you into heaven. Besides, the "curing cancer" and "donating money" stuff is based off of your principles, not God's. You could put in overtime at your work and your boss might love you, but your wife won't.... so you have to pick who you'd want to impress. Are you trying to impress God, other humans, or yourself when you list off your "good deeds"?

It's stated pretty clearly that denying God is something that won't look good on the record books, but I do wonder about how those that are unable to speak about God in words would be judged since actions themselves are not the only way to get into heaven. Granted, speaking one of many languages isn't special... and thought processes, feelings, etc., could be considered another language... but I dunno. Haven't thought about it enough.
 

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Oh no, it's that guy who's scared of God (not you Overswarm, lol)

I dunno what the explanation for everything being like it is is, but I'm almost certain it's not God.

There's just waaaaay too many contradictions in the Bible. It has two different creation stories in the first book. I mean..come on >_>

That and the Bible has been modified by people in the past. How could people hundreds of years after these events have happened rectify things, how would they know what had happened? I shouldn't have to go much further in explaning why the Bible is the worst piece of fiction ever written.

The one thing that annoys me is how Jona, you've said that we're going to Hell for not believing. Now, whilst the passage way into Heaven is supposed to be seen as a reward, it's pretty horrible how only those with faith are allowed in. Those without proof, just very skewed theories.

Now, I've lead a pretty good life. I've never done illegal drugs, never been in trouble with the police, I help people out whenever they ask, I donate to charities, that kind of thing. A few months ago, there was a priest discovered in England to be a pedophile. He had sexually abused a child who had attended his sermons frequently (somehow, the deluded parents let the priest take the child on holiday AFTER they had found out.) So, just because this priest believes in something even though he's done one of the most disgraceful things known to man, he has more of a right to be rewarded in the afterlife then me? This is some twisted logic. The guy can repent all he want, but the fact remains that he still ruined a young boy's life.

It all kinda points to my belief, that the Bible was just made to put peasants in place, promising a reward in the afterlife if they don't complain and put up with the crap that they're going to get put through.

Anyways, this is all about evolution. There's proof of evolution, yet no proof of religion. Think about it.

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hmm you know what according to the Bible God doesnt listen to a sinners prayer.
I forgot I didn't address this.

You know, there is another figure that works like this. His name? Santa Claus.

When I was a kid I told my parents I didn't believe in Santa and they said you don't get presents then. Your example of god works the same way. Believe in him, and you may or may not get rewarded.

The fact you are ignoring is that I was a pretty strong Christian for 18 years of my life. I prayed daily. You know how many of my prayers were answered - none by any normal concept of answering. If you go by the Christian.com answer from that video, all of them were answered with "Wait or No."

There is one of two reasons for this: god hates me, and in that case, **** god. Or the other, god is imaginary and I was praying to nothing. Hmm...
 

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Religion seeks disipline through fear, yet doesn't understand the true nature of creation. – Sutter Cane

Seriously, Crimson has been ****** this thread.
 

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I forgot I didn't address this.

You know, there is another figure that works like this. His name? Santa Claus.

When I was a kid I told my parents I didn't believe in Santa and they said you don't get presents then. Your example of god works the same way. Believe in him, and you may or may not get rewarded.

The fact you are ignoring is that I was a pretty strong Christian for 18 years of my life. I prayed daily. You know how many of my prayers were answered - none by any normal concept of answering. If you go by the Christian.com answer from that video, all of them were answered with "Wait or No."

There is one of two reasons for this: god hates me, and in that case, **** god. Or the other, god is imaginary and I was praying to nothing. Hmm...
god doesnt hate you.
god is not an imaginary, question: were you a real christian? did you believe with all your heart and accepted jesus christ in your life?
if so, if you really believe you should feel his presence and support, it will make you feel stronger when you want to give up.
if you want i can show you some sentences from the bible about it.

sorry for my bad english:)
 

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god doesnt hate you.
god is not an imaginary, question: were you a real christian? did you believe with all your heart and accepted jezus christ in your life?
if so, if you really believe you should feel his presence and support, it will make you feel stronger when you want to give up.
if you want i can show you some sentences from the bible about it.

sorry for my bad english:)
Oh man, I remember these religious battles from the Serebii forums. Too bad it was just nonsensical bickering between the two factions and they all got banned:(.

How do you know the bible is true? The guys that made it could have been completely crazy and stupid people picked up on it. Jesus was probably just as crazy. If the guy above you goes to hell, God would definitely not like him. I would not send someone I love to eternal ****ation(though God doesn't directly send people to hell). If God is not imaginary, I want Him to prove Himself in a non-cryptic way.

But, if it helps you sleep at night, ignorance is bliss.
 
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