Everyone Underestimates Ike

[•Col•]

When will get this get closed -_-

Whenever this "Lol, Ike sucks so much" mentality has passed.

 

[Dan_Fumaster]

Defensive Ike's are really annoying (as someone has said before me). His range is enormous and retreating fairs just hurt. You see that you've missed and you see that he's going to smack you no matter what you do. It gets worse when the Ike player knows how to recover effectively and when you don't have the time to intercept QD. It seems that Ike's got a lot of potential with all of his aerials. He has the slow (up/down/nair), the fast (back), and the annoyingly super long-ranged (forward). The only bad parts really come down to speed and horizontal recovery.

When I play as Ike, I usually hit with 0 Fsmashes. Traditionally, if I do hit with them, it is when it least matters. Places with water are the most beautiful. I just dair them when the hit the water. Or if I'm in the water, catching them with Up B is also great. There's nothing they can do about it when they hit the water. As for doubles, I've seen Diddy+Ike work insanely awesomely.

 

[AndrewCarlson]

Defensive Ike's are really annoying (as someone has said before me). His range is enormous and retreating fairs just hurt. You see that you've missed and you see that he's going to smack you no matter what you do. It gets worse when the Ike player knows how to recover effectively and when you don't have the time to intercept QD. It seems that Ike's got a lot of potential with all of his aerials. He has the slow (up/down/nair), the fast (back), and the annoyingly super long-ranged (forward). The only bad parts really come down to speed and horizontal recovery.

When I play as Ike, I usually hit with 0 Fsmashes. Traditionally, if I do hit with them, it is when it least matters. Places with water are the most beautiful. I just dair them when the hit the water. Or if I'm in the water, catching them with Up B is also great. There's nothing they can do about it when they hit the water. As for doubles, I've seen Diddy+Ike work insanely awesomely.

Do you main Marth? If so, you're one of the first to acknowledge Ike's strengths instead of passing him off as an easily gimpable slowpoke.

 

[Dan_Fumaster]

Do you main Marth? If so, you're one of the first to acknowledge Ike's strengths instead of passing him off as an easily gimpable slowpoke.

There are plenty of people who do not just pass Ike off as an "easily gimpable slowpoke". But as goes for all characters, someone has to be good enough to use Ike's strengths effectively. Smart people tend to get extra careful when watching their spacing against someone who hits as hard as Ike. Any big errors most likely spells death. Pro Ike's are exceptionally hard to edge guard vertically as they always sweetspot the ledge or do a reverse aether.

I do main Marth. I may not use Ike for competition, but he is heck of a lot of fun to use when I'm playing for fun. The nooby Fsmash (and awesomeness of Great Aether) is just so satisfying when it sends someone to their doom. And of course, I've had the privilege of playing very good Ike players.

 

[Timbers]

I agree. I was a bit disappointed when the "Ike vs. Lucario" thread popped up in our boards, and seeing a good percent of the other Lucarios talking about 70:30 and 80:20 advantages on Ike, lol.

It's still in Luc's favor I believe, but to such a degree is just belittling Ike.

 

[•Col•]

I agree. I was a bit disappointed when the "Ike vs. Lucario" thread popped up in our boards, and seeing a good percent of the other Lucarios talking about 70:30 and 80:20 advantages on Ike, lol.

It's still in Luc's favor I believe, but to such a degree is just belittling Ike.

You're cool, Timbers.



I'm glad I made this thread... It let's me know that not EVERYONE out there views Ike as a joke... xD

 

[M@v]

Ike isnt crap. Hes not amazing, but hes not horrible by any means. You just have to utilize his faster moves, such as bair, fair, utilt, dsmash, etc. A GOOD ike will never use side b to recover unless he absolutely has to.... just like how fox should NEVER use firefox unless he won't make it back otherwise. Aether is near impossible to edge guard, unless ike is going for the ledge, and you have invincibility frames on it when he uses aether. I have played other good ikes online, and he is tough in the right hands. Its like the same thing with DDD in a way. You dont spam DDD smashes, which are as strong as Ikes. Same story here.

and YES. Fsmash SUCKS. Its way too slow, and its like DDD and snakes Fsmashes. Its one of the moves you throw in to try and suprise the opponent, and get a quick KO. What I dont get is everyone knows not to spam snake's and DDD's fsmashes, yet they think it is all ike has...

 

[UltimaLuminaire]

I'm pretty sure the Bowser boards take Ike somewhat seriously. I know that, as a Boozer main, I FEAR Ike. He's more of a monster than I am. You should see some of the fights between WarriorKnight and Renegade in the official video thread over there. It pretty much epitomises why we try not to underestimate him.

 

[choknater]

Ike is amazing.

Way too underestimated.

 

[Dan_Fumaster]

Ike isnt crap. Hes not amazing, but hes not horrible by any means. You just have to utilize his faster moves, such as bair, fair, utilt, dsmash, etc. A GOOD ike will never use side b to recover unless he absolutely has to.... just like how fox should NEVER use firefox unless he won't make it back otherwise. Aether is near impossible to edge guard, unless ike is going for the ledge, and you have invincibility frames on it when he uses aether. I have played other good ikes online, and he is tough in the right hands. Its like the same thing with DDD in a way. You dont spam DDD smashes, which are as strong as Ikes. Same story here.

and YES. Fsmash SUCKS. Its way too slow, and its like DDD and snakes Fsmashes. Its one of the moves you throw in to try and suprise the opponent, and get a quick KO. What I dont get is everyone knows not to spam snake's and DDD's fsmashes, yet they think it is all ike has...

Aether can be hard to edge guard, but it can still be very hard to get back on the stage with Ike afterward. And of course, Ike has to sweetspot the ledge or reverse Aether if he's fighting Marth, Peach, himself, etc, who have a counter or a prioritized projectile/explosive. After taking into consideration of who can interrupt Aether, it really isn't the greatest recovery move. I'd still much prefer Dolphin Slash or the really annoying Coin Jump that Mario has. However, Aether can be utilized to spike people in water and if reversed, which can help Ike. Water really helps Ike a lot. It allows him to spike with dair much easier or hit with any of his aerials.

Now then, if Aether acted like the Aether in Fire Emblem and healed Ike...well. Then it would be the best recovery move ever (pun definitely intended).

 

[Ussi]

fsmash by any means does NOT suck. The pleasure of hitting someone at 50% with it is amazing and quickly turns the tide in your favor or even can bring the tide back into your favor. Ike's fsmash allows Ike to easily take a stock lead or come back a stock. You just need to KNOW HOW TO USE IT. It's a high risk high reward move.

Most of Ike's match ups are in the 40-60 range (in or against his advantage) Ike has really only a few bad match ups.

Now then, if Aether acted like the Aether in Fire Emblem and healed Ike...well. Then it would be the best recovery move ever (pun definitely intended).

I <3 this

 

[•Col•]

I would still prefer that Ike had his projectile(Green wave slash thing with the Ragnell) from Path of Radiance rather than Counter... That alone would bump Ike quite a few slots up on the tier list....

 

[AndrewCarlson]

I'm pretty sure the Bowser boards take Ike somewhat seriously. I know that, as a Boozer main, I FEAR Ike. He's more of a monster than I am. You should see some of the fights between WarriorKnight and Renegade in the official video thread over there. It pretty much epitomises why we try not to underestimate him.

It seems the Marth boards are particularly critical when it comes to Ike. There is a lot of rivalry between the two Fire Emblem characters, and I roll my eyes whenever someone has to say "Marth is much better than Ike!". Marth is much more suited to my playing style and many others judging by the tier list, but those that have refined Ike's game can definitely compete on that level as well.

 

[M@v]

fsmash by any means does NOT suck. The pleasure of hitting someone at 50% with it is amazing and quickly turns the tide in your favor or even can bring the tide back into your favor. Ike's fsmash allows Ike to easily take a stock lead or come back a stock. You just need to KNOW HOW TO USE IT. It's a high risk high reward move.

Most of Ike's match ups are in the 40-60 range (in or against his advantage) Ike has really only a few bad match ups.



I <3 this

pleasurable, yes.

Practical, no.

 

[•Col•]

pleasurable, yes.

Practical, no.

Tell that to Kirk.

 

[Ussi]

pleasurable, yes.

Practical, no.

You wouldn't know. you should ask people who fight me/Kirk

 

[M@v]

You wouldn't know. you should ask people who fight me/Kirk

Let me ask you this. Are DDD's and snake's Fsmashes practical? No. What makes Ike's any different? dont get me wrong throwing one in here and there can have very positive results.

 

[Kirk]

dont get me wrong throwing one in here and there can have very positive results.

Thanks for proving his point :D

 

[HeroMystic]

Let me ask you this. Are DDD's and snake's Fsmashes practical? No. What makes Ike's any different?

His works.

Don't get me wrong though, it shouldn't be factored into match-ups and such, but saying it's not practical (meaning it's not worth using) is pretty silly considering the benefits of it hitting.

Remember, Ike's F-smash is the most feared F-smash in the community, and it's not even the strongest.

 

[Sondaro Sasuke]

Ike is a very good caracter if you know how to use it. Any caracter can beat any caracter, if it's used correctly, the bad thing is that in most of the Ike videos before ssbb was out, Ike loses agains characters like mario, link, samus... that's why people underestimate him, but there are lots of Ike users that are really good.

I think that is a good character

 

[Ussi]

Ike is a very good caracter if you know how to use it. Any caracter can beat any caracter, if it's used correctly, the bad thing is that in most of the Ike videos before ssbb was out, Ike loses agains characters like mario, link, samus... that's why people underestimate him, but there are lots of Ike users that are really good.

I think that is a good character

Mario is even.

Samus and Link...meh... small advantages don't bother me.

 

[Xyro77]

ike is trash. face it. my samus> all ikes

 

[Ussi]

ike is trash. face it. my samus> all ikes

You never fought me

 

[Xyro77]

You never fought me

trust me, i would beat you. your not good

 

[HeroMystic]

Translation: Xyro is bored.

 

[Emblem Lord]

I'm pretty sure Ike is trash.

Still fun though.

 

[Infern Angelis]

I'm pretty sure Ike is trash.

Still fun though.

Someone challenge this guy and beat him, i would but im at school

 

[Emblem Lord]

You are hilarious.

 

[Ussi]

You are hilarious.

I'm laughing with you

 

[•Col•]

I'm pretty sure Ike is trash.

Still fun though.

I'm pretty sure Xyro's just being a ****... :D

Lol.... I had a random thought they other day... What if Marth sucked in the next game? Like, REALLY sucked... What would the Marth mains do? xD

 

[Infern Angelis]

I'm laughing with you

and i laugh for the sake of laughing

 

[Ussi]

and i laugh for the sake of laughing

Emblem lord doesn't play wifi. So the ike's in NY and me are about all that ones who can challenge him

 

[Emblem Lord]

lol.

I would hope that my fellow Marth mains have enough sense to use a good character in tourney if Marth sucks in the next smash game.

I know I would.

 

[Ussi]

I'll use whoever, of course I'm using Ike and Pikachu! (If they take Ike out, they are truly killing smash brothers since there is no reason to take Ike out...)

 

[Kinzer]

EL has come to our threads to insult us?!

At least we have a big-*** Sword and our main's gender isn't questioned.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Read his convos with Soren.

Then get back to me.

 

[HeroMystic]

Read his convos with Soren.

Then get back to me.

Ike is asexual. Soren is gay. End of Story.

 

[Ussi]

Read his convos with Soren.

Then get back to me.

he even gets a special convro in RD with Soren which needs to most work to get

But being gay is not having your gender confused.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Crap. Ussi caught me on a technicality.

Well played sir.

 

[Ussi]

hehe, I'm very technical and will find anything wrong Hence why Ike's playstyle suits me. I prefer a good punishing game.