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Circus

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God, building a case on No Lynch is exhausting because, like, 3 different accounts have occupied that slot. Especially when Smashboards eats half my post and makes me redo it.

By the way, the premise here is that No Lynch is scum, fullstop. I will be detailing why Jdietz is the play after we get rid of No Lynch, who is the play and is definitely scum.

ANYWAY.

It starts off early. Soup's 171 is actually a really good encapsulation of what the slot will perpetuate for the next two Days. He whiteknight's a townie gettin' hate (my slot), and begins bussing Gargscum. Note how early this happens, because the heat with this slot is never really going to change, and yet Gargdietz always manages to not end up being the lynch.

But don't get it twisted: "We can still totally end up mislynching Dark Horse if you guys want to."

"Have I expressed how much Garg and I are not aligned yet?"

Tag out, time for some Ramen noodles.

Zen decides to go back to whiteknighting my slot. Also mentions multiple times (in the post I've linked here and once more) that he swears he hasn't even gotten his role PM yet so obviously anything he says is unfiltered town resin, so pure and flavorful mmmmm.

But then, the bitter aftertaste of scum.

This slot cannot stop talking about Garg. It's useful to know that while Zen decided to flip on his opinion of my slot when he replaced Soup, he carried the torch for Gargscum and continues bringing it up often. What should be a passively firm suspicion on a legitimately scummy but ultimately inactive slot, keeps being brought to the forefront. Hm. Why does SoupaZen want us to know he hates Garg so much? Especially without actually voting for him?

Seriously, he keeps doing it.

Zen and Soup fusion dance into No Lynch.

NL gets into a bothersome back-and-forth with Kary and the votes are starting to settle on KWK. Then he makes this post, expressing his continued, intense hatred of the Garg slot while also avoiding switching the lynch to him. KWK can get lynched, Dark Horse deserves to get a replacement, but Garg can just get straight up modkilled for all he cares. "SERIOUSLY GUYS, WE'RE SO NOT SCUMMATES."

I know I sound like a broken record, but please pay attention to how weird this is. Zen and Soup apparently both HATE this slot. Yet they haven't voted for him since Soup first voted for him way back in his 171. They're all bark and no bite on this. This will be extremely useful to know after No Lynch flips.

*this next part is where Smashboards ****ed with me, so bare with me if it seems like I'm rushing through some points. I probably am.*

So after expressing having some serious problems with J's play, No Lynch starts to parlay that into furthering his Jdietz read at around post 700—lots of cross words between them with no substance—until that eventually kind of peters out at around 723. NL's vote stays on J the whole time, and he begins urging other to vote J immediately afterward. He wants to lynch J. He wants to seem like he also wants to lynch Jdietz. Make note of this key difference.

AND THEN SUDDENLY. POST 800.

This literally comes completely out of the blue. No Lynch pivots to Sherlock on a dime, for no reason other than the fact that Inferno started a wagon on him. Which, I might add, is ****ING CRAZY because he's been casually throwing out suspicion of Inferno's slot all game and continues doing so even after the Sherlock vote. Where is the logic here? "I find you quite fishy, but I'll follow you on the Sherlock wagon for no reason." He's looking for any mislynch he can get.

Then, literally without asking any more questions to Sherlock or anyone else, or, like demanding any kind of case or anything, he just starts nailing down a Sherlock quicklynch. Like, he does not want to do any more scumhunting or questioning or anything at all. And he just starts hopping like a madman onto anyone that looks good. After briefly hopping off of Sherlock under the guise of wanting to take the hammer or whatever, he inexplicably hops onto me (thought I was a town read), then back on to Sherlock, then onto Jdietz for some last minute distancing, before settling back on Sherlock not 15 minutes later. This is where I remind everyone that this is two days into D2. Deadline was not approaching. No Lynch just sprinted for the most viable quicklynch he could find, and he got away with it. He spent the whole Day (what little of it there was) trying to lynch J and trying to look like he wanted to lynch Jdietz, before just rolling with a Sherlock lynch after realizing how little effort that would take.

No Lynch has been given a ridiculous amount of leeway and thread power purely by being talkative and cocky. There is absolutely no town intent in the moves he made on D2 and he needs to get lynched right now. Then Jdietz needs to go. The fact that No Lynch has completely ignored my calls for his head and has instead decided to focus exclusively on defending himself against Jdietz and in-turn attacking him reaffirms my belief that the two are scummates and trying to make the most of the time left to distance themselves even further. The only question remains, who is their last buddy? Again, I have to believe it's either JTB or Kata. Maybe Marshy, but I think No Lynch and Marshy have been too buddy buddy for that.

ADDENDUM: Something I didn't notice until I actually went back to reread and form this lovely wall, No Lynch seemed to be one of the few (only?) who seemed to openly think that Purple was a Cop. I expressed confusion when he said at the end of D2 that Marshy had a Cop clear, as he most certainly did not, but I now realize this is what he was talking about. Purple's death makes a lot of sense now, as if he had actually been the Cop, it would be reasonable to think that he would have investigated No Lynch last Night. I'm guessing No Lynch saw this, **** bricks, and killed him.

Fortunately, he picked the wrong guy.

We lynch No Lynch toDay, no arguments. But I'll be happy to discuss what toMorrow should look like with him gone.
 

Circus

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There's nothing to talk about. Jdietz is a good lynch; you're a better one.
 

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iight so first off

@ kataefi...

"@Marshy: You're at null for me and I'm scared. I swear you were never this trigger happy in past games that I've played to the extent where you want wagons to end quick quick quick I want to know why you opted to go Detective over Dietz/J yesterday --> to me this looked like a surprise wagon, plus he was skeptical over you iirc... why was Detective more meaningful to you at this point over suspects that were actually "the plays"? (considering you've hassled other players for attempting to go in directions that were not the plays...)"

i dont think i had wanted to lynch j yesterday. i went sherlock hound cuz i was getting restless for a quicklynch and he deserved to die. he was just so unbelievably ****. he came in with some ******** gambit on me and then lurked. whats worse is that he didnt even get a READ off of me from the gambit. shortly before he died he said something along the lines of "wait marshy why did you even believe that gambit?" showing that he was clueless. so glad hes dead we now have less garbage as the game reaches a head

@ jerkius caesar

i think im going to vote whoever kataefi votes for today. what would you think of that? would that be ******** of me?
 

Circus

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I don't see why you would. Kata's been background noise the whole game anyway. Hardly even anything to follow there.
 

No Lynch

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Circus said:
No Lynch has been given a ridiculous amount of leeway and thread power purely by being talkative and cocky. There is absolutely no town intent in the moves he made on D2 and he needs to get lynched right now. Then Jdietz needs to go. The fact that No Lynch has completely ignored my calls for his head and has instead decided to focus exclusively on defending himself against Jdietz and in-turn attacking him reaffirms my belief that the two are scummates and trying to make the most of the time left to distance themselves even further. The only question remains, who is their last buddy? Again, I have to believe it's either JTB or Kata. Maybe Marshy, but I think No Lynch and Marshy have been too buddy buddy for that.
I haven't ignored your calls, you're just not my concern and for once we have the gull to lynch a slot and have reasoning behind it, I admit our play has been sloppy but i'm not going to let this slip through even if I have to go through you. I'd love to have your vote for the cause because you seem clearly interested but you've got in your head that i'm his partner.

It starts off early. Soup's 171 is actually a really good encapsulation of what the slot will perpetuate for the next two Days. He whiteknight's a townie gettin' hate (my slot), and begins bussing Gargscum. Note how early this happens, because the heat with this slot is never really going to change, and yet Gargdietz always manages to not end up being the lynch.
I didn't see the reasoning behind the DH jump and felt at the moment his comment about the fake dayvig was slightly genuine, I think Dark Horse was legitimately open about it, despite having bad logic. I felt that people had compromising arguments and maybe that my logic was wrong, I had a change of thought in my own post early on because I could see where other people were coming from.


I changed my thought after combining with Zen, we both had a town read on you after talking about it for a while and we've been sort of background about certain things. I know it's a hydra john but Zen replaced into my slot and it should be mentioned that it shouldn't be counted against him or me as we are the same slot. You tell me that just because Zen brought it up again that it has merit towards me when I did?Different time, different place.

I didn't think about Garg that much, I was mostly concerned about information hunting D1 whie I was still my own slot, I felt that some small attempts from garg were townie and I didn't have the gull I do now to actively push the slot. The thing is about garg is that I don't really care for him and he's old news, I'm concerned about what JDietz has done and it is blatantly obvious scum.

Zen might have to take the wheel on some parts as I wasn't there for when the jump happened, I realize reading a hydra like this might be a pain in the *** but bear with us and
vote JDietz
 

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Deadline is set for 6/1 at 11:59 EST! With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

Circus (0)
JDietz43 (1) No Lynch
Ranmaru (0)
JTB (0)
Inferno (0)
JayKay (1) Ranmaru
marshy (0)
Kataefi (0)
No Lynch (2) Circus, JDietz43

Not voting (5) JTB, JayKay, Inferno, Marshy, Kataefi
 

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Oh and Marshy if you're gonna give your vote to anyone please give it to me. I'm town and I'm trying to lead this town. Or at least let me direct your vote if you are gonna be lazy and put it on Jdeitz for now.
 

No Lynch

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Zen. Haven't gotten to read day so far yet. Will do so in morning. Marshy WTF is wrong with you? I swear you are intentionally evading lynching j or diets. Play time is over. We are lynching scum today. Read our case on diets don't be lazy. J and diets ARE scum. I'm not sure on the third yet. But you really got to go with us on this today.

COP CLAIM TODAY if your innos are alive. This is for sure best to do today.

Circus & dietz you are eachothers biggest scum reads to the point of surety but you both are voting us haha. Circus this is more peculiar in your case seeing as dietz is who we want dead. Very strange indeed.

Kata what do you think of the above? you should join us on dietz.

:phone:
 

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Hey guys.
kary your latest postsve been horrendous and gay
you say zen is bad and should not stay
hopefully no one listens to you anyway
but can you honestly say that he is the best play?
Going to try not to play so 'horrendous' from here on out.
On the other hand, I did think that No Lynch (Soup/Zen) would've been a good play Day 1. Not the best, but much better than KWK was. But the main reason I was pushing against No Lynch wasn't because I wanted them lynched Day 1, but because I didn't want people following them. Of 'the plays' Day 1 (DH, Garg, KWK), I'd have lynched Garg at that point, but I guess I should've pushed for that more, rather than trying to defend KWK.

No Lynch had two opportunities to push the Garg/JDietz waggon, which would presumably have gone all the way to a lynch- I can't see anyone who would have objected, or any objections strong enough for it not to be worth the push.
It's bad enough that No Lynch ignored Garg/JDietz for two Days, and decided to lynch inactives with very little reasoning.
But to come back today and push on JDietz just takes the biscuit, and is terrible.

That's about it from me, for now. If you have any questions, I'll take them- I don't know who or how to push right now, so I'm going to let things settle a little, maybe have J push some of his reads, then get to work.

Me and Kary will be hydraing when I get the account made. =o
this alone makes me want to lynch you

incoming 1000 posts
d'awww, thanks marshy

-Kary
 

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that was...strangely nicer a response than i expected kary

@kataefi

i am null to you and i think thats reasonable. roxy and i were pretty buddy buddy and he was acting like i was cop clear and he gave me more voting power. do you have any thoughts regarding why i would kill him as scum?

:phone:
 

No Lynch

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No Lynch had two opportunities to push the Garg/JDietz waggon, which would presumably have gone all the way to a lynch- I can't see anyone who would have objected, or any objections strong enough for it not to be worth the push.
It's bad enough that No Lynch ignored Garg/JDietz for two Days, and decided to lynch inactives with very little reasoning.
But to come back today and push on JDietz just takes the biscuit, and is terrible.
Because we weren't solid on JDietz/Garg and were more interested with other slots at the moment being? KWK inevitably got himself lynched much like Sherlock did, I'd lynch them again if you gave me the chance. We have finally have something solid on a slot and we're not gonna *****foot around, beause frankly there is no reason to anymore and all of our agressors are gonna shut up and deal with it.
 

No Lynch

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Yo nl, what's your opinion on Circus and Kat ToDay? Circus's proposed quick lynch on you?

What's your read on J ToDay? I skimmed your JD case, I'm trying to see any J stances on it.

Also... most important of all:

Are you indy? Cmon. If you are, I'll understand. I promise. <3
I like Circus. He's pushing JDietz but i'm trying to knock some sense into him. Still don't like J.

Still scum. Didn't care about J, We're concerned about getting JDietz first.

We're not indy. :rolleyes:
 

No Lynch

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All in due time.

Because you and J and Inferno are town. And I'm pretending Marshy doesn't exist now.

Be back in a bit. I haven't eaten anything all day. Don't quicklynch anyone while I'm gone unless it's No Lynch.

Whuzza t?
 

No Lynch

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Ditz/J/Circus

1. Circus thinks JDietz is scum but thinks we're partnered with him.
2. JDietz thinks Circus is scum (??) and thinks we're partnered with J.
3. We think JDietz is scum and think J is his partner. We think Circus is town.
4. J has shown omission to vote JDietz but i'm not entirely sure on his stance of Circus atm.
 

No Lynch

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Not voting (5) JTB, JayKay, Inferno, Marshy, Kataefi

JTB will take some reasoning to get him to vote Ditz.
Marshy will join us.
Inferno will sheep.
Kata is gonna be a hard-sell.
J is scum and he can go ahead and bus his partner.
 

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No Lynch had two opportunities to push the Garg/JDietz waggon, which would presumably have gone all the way to a lynch- I can't see anyone who would have objected, or any objections strong enough for it not to be worth the push.
It's bad enough that No Lynch ignored Garg/JDietz for two Days, and decided to lynch inactives with very little reasoning.
But to come back today and push on JDietz just takes the biscuit, and is terrible.
can you go into detail on how i differ from zen/soup this game?

:phone:
 

#HBC | marshy

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also why did you replace out earlier and what made you interested in coming back? be honest

:phone:
 

No Lynch

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Marshy what do you think of the Ditz/J/Circus group

is it all scum in a bunch of is there town in there too
 

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Making a quick post to let you know my activity is going to be awful to non-existent for the next week. Working on another game for my last day before I leave to Fanime, then I'm not going to be back until next Tuesday. I won't have any qualms if Gorf would like to replace me, but if he keeps me in, I'll make my presence much more known late ron.

I'll be skimming this thread at times while at the con, so if a mass claim does happen, I'll be able to do that.
Can you drop a thought or two when you can? Surely you've been reading this game and once Ditzy is gone we're gonna need something from you

actually scratch that just give me what you can right now
 

No Lynch

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Yeh actually Inferno/JTB you two need to start picking up pace more i'm reading both of you right now and I want to see more than a vote
 

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can you go into detail on how i differ from zen/soup this game?
Hmm, where do you want me to start, marshy? I don't know how much I can say beyond the fact that your playstyles are very different.
Ultimately, Zen/Soup give me a bad feeling, and I struggle to see any town intent behind their posts/actions. By contrast, while I don't like your play particularly, it doesn't raise nearly as many red flags.
I'm looking at both of you for 'pushing' two waggons to mislynch when there were other (perhaps better) suspects around. But I don't have as much to say about you right now.

also why did you replace out earlier and what made you interested in coming back? be honest
I needed to stop playing the game, it was driving me mad. I'd still like to play the game, so I'm back, and fingers crossed I won't take it too seriously.
 

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hey hey @work. mariah kary have you been keeping up with the thread by any chance? can I expect a breakdown of your thoughts on the remaining players so far? also nudge J to get in here and respond to my analysis of his read on me plz.

marshy i feel more is needed here to be able to discern confident reads from these night kills - a possibility i'm thinking is that the scummies look to be in search of eliminating PRs possibly over relationships/vote power because I'm struggling to see why they would kill off purple (and gheb actually), one of which was treated as an investigative / the other instilled doubt in a few players end of D1 - for both to die makes me lean in the direction that scum potentially could have thought they were underlying PRs here. this is more of a captain obvious analysis tho...

i think the current vote patterns do look weird and confusing.

i'm currently listening to this buahaha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOo9c5wt_0w :grin:
 

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Ran you need to trust us seriously. For the sake of all things friendship. You know Dietz is scum too so why are you just focusing on J. We lynch Dietz today unless you are cop with a guilty on J.
 

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Hey JDietz: how are you, man?

I'm going to suggest that when you get here, you don't go overboard in a response to No Lynch. I only mention it because I think it'd be easy to do.

I would really like you to talk me through your reads on Marshy, Ranmaru and myself/J. Ideally I'd like a few lines on each, just explaining what you think of their play, what stuck out to you, your gut feelings etc. I'm still catching up a bit, and I'd like to hear your point of view.

-Kary
 

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Not voting (5) JTB, JayKay, Inferno, Marshy, Kataefi

JTB will take some reasoning to get him to vote Ditz.
Marshy will join us.
Inferno will sheep.
Kata is gonna be a hard-sell.
J is scum and he can go ahead and bus his partner.
Personal offense to the bold, but I can't be mad. I was hoping Marshy would actually listen to me and vote how I wanted him to. I want JDietz dead but I want to be the one to hammer. So until I say otherwise consider my vote on him.
 

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I think it's refreshing to see the same page number not move at a lightning pace.

Inferno what did you find iffy about my responses to No Lynch out of curiosity?

Circus your post didn't go into the nitty gritties as to what my questions expected... Look at: #742 / #754 / #955 / #956 There are word choices here to me that suggest some kind of acidity toward garg/dietz e.g. "it bothers me that we haven't lynched him yet", "diediedie", "Jdietz is the real meat here", "he's the kind of player that will probably be given a free ticket to endgame"... I find it unnatural you would suddenly follow your most acidic scum read and take a different route instead... that is why aren't you doing anything about Dietz now? Can you be explanative here as to your direction this Day?

I'm still waiting on dietz/j-side of jaykay to respond to my questions. I bet they've disappeared into the abyss :awesome:
 

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(still here, will respond in due time. Have my own game in end game and a lylo game to attend to right now)
 

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I think it's refreshing to see the same page number not move at a lightning pace.

Inferno what did you find iffy about my responses to No Lynch out of curiosity?

Circus your post didn't go into the nitty gritties as to what my questions expected... Look at: #742 / #754 / #955 / #956 There are word choices here to me that suggest some kind of acidity toward garg/dietz e.g. "it bothers me that we haven't lynched him yet", "diediedie", "Jdietz is the real meat here", "he's the kind of player that will probably be given a free ticket to endgame"... I find it unnatural you would suddenly follow your most acidic scum read and take a different route instead... that is why aren't you doing anything about Dietz now? Can you be explanative here as to your direction this Day?

I'm still waiting on dietz/j-side of jaykay to respond to my questions. I bet they've disappeared into the abyss :awesome:
To make a long story short I really didn't know what to think of them. Some things made me think you were town and others made me question myself. For right now you can live.

JDietz - while you're here feel free to claim. I'd like to get things going and I highly doubt you are getting out of today without claiming.
 

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Nah dont claim. We havent decided if hes the lynch yet.

Inferno you like/dislike j?

:phone:
 

ranmaru

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Ran you need to trust us seriously. For the sake of all things friendship. You know Dietz is scum too so why are you just focusing on J. We lynch Dietz today unless you are cop with a guilty on J.
I got ya. Lemme push as much I can and I will let u kno my decision on jd dying today or not

:phone:
 
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