Epic... Rap... BATTLES OF HISTORY!!! OVER GUESS WHICH SIDE WON

[Kataefi]

I'm back from Zumba. Yes Zumba...

I have to say this game so far has been a strange read. All my pursuits have been totally ignored. I feel like that ugly fat child at school with no friends.

WELL PARTY TIME *****ES

@Marshy: You're at null for me and I'm scared. I swear you were never this trigger happy in past games that I've played to the extent where you want wagons to end quick quick quick I want to know why you opted to go Detective over Dietz/J yesterday --> to me this looked like a surprise wagon, plus he was skeptical over you iirc... why was Detective more meaningful to you at this point over suspects that were actually "the plays"? (considering you've hassled other players for attempting to go in directions that were not the plays...)

Think you need to substantiate your reads more personally but I always end up saying this...
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@J specifically: I think your read on me looked fake D2. This is what I touched on yesterDay and I think it needs looking into:

I see some gems in your post that make me hesitate on you Kata.

He really should go toDay.

"Gems" would imply information that is valued by you, because there's no other reason I can think of that would cause you to hesitate here. Why would you state something like this and not proceed to take on board the value my thoughts are giving you? (Choosing instead to outright throw them in the gutter)... Please can you go into detail here?

Also some of your analysis on specific players are cookie cutter templates of my own. For example compare:

Garg's actions were waffly and didn't do anything at all. He kept trying to appeal to town (which ironically, the slot continues to do throughout the toDay haha). Plus Garg played entirely different in newbie mafia 13 which was his first game. Garg didn't commit to anything in the game while he was here and did not seem to really care about lynching scum but looking towny.

...with what I said D1:

Look! He's not used to a slow pace. Has he played before? The start of this game shows a hyperactive bouncy Garg, throwing votes. This one's version André 3000. Andre likes to "attack" Look! <-- he gained 'quite a bit of suspicion' here on D1... what did he do prior to this?... he placed down a vote...

...

...and yet when he "really" leans scum on someone here in this game he shows a hesitancy. He had an opportunity for added pressure and did what with it?... the hesitancy suggests a fear to me... something underlying that's stopped him... Yes he could be a classed as a "newbie", but he's still a "newbie" that was scared once to vote and once to conform to the pressure put on him and it is this behaviour that stands out as slightly odd as if to people-please the Town, which made me sceptical as I'm a fan of scum having an inherent fear to look good. I def think for a page 5 lead this wasn't (and def still isn't) as weak and generic as you'd like to convince yourself to believe... you evil evil lawyer.

This is in addition to being weirded out by No Lynch D1 iirc (something that I touched on also) and thinking our exchanges could be TvS... This is all essentially making me think you've come in with thoughts on players that seem to be similar to mine... so I'm suspicious as to how that made me your TOP pick. The read looked disingenuous here... How can you justify that I played safe and airy when your thought processes were close to reflections of my own?
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@Circus: Garg looked meaningful to you yesterDay, what exactly has convinced you to go No Lynch right now? Also a lot of what you went into yesterDay focused moreso on Dietz than Garg despite claiming Garg should "diediedie", what exactly was your reasoning here? I found your attack on Dietz unnaturally aggressive... what did you make of my vote on you D2 and my analysis on Dark Horse?
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@Dietz: Again this is something that went ignored but applies now... that is if Dark Horse was exhibiting "classic scum tells" to you and you made a case on him to suggest why you thought he was scum... why are you considering No Lynch/J? "Classic scum tells" seems like a word choice that shows a sense of certainty here... I don't understand, especially yesterDay, why you didn't push this avenue harder but decided to follow No Lynch...? Can you explain to me how your read on No Lynch has progressed throughout the Day?
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I'm gonna touch on No Lynch's suspicions on me and things they missed in our exchanges that I want answered.

 

[ranmaru]

Kat why don't you ever ask me qustions : [

 

[Kataefi]

omg what questions???

 

[Kataefi]

also I don't think a mass claim is good either. FBI cop implies an SK otherwise what would be the point of its existence? There's potential for 2 NKills. this is dangerous with claims out in the open. Safety first ladies and gents

 

[Inferno3044]

Kata whether you wanna put blame or credit for DSH's lynch I'll take it. I started it and got it going. His slot looked real scummy to me and was inactive so I wanted him gone. Also call me slow Kata but are you a girl? I've never heard of a guy that did zumba.

 

[Kataefi]

Me neither...

I'm a guy

I do all kinds of crazy stuff

 

[ranmaru]

I actually agree with Circus that there is possibly no SK. I would say that it's a red herring. (The FBI Agent thing)

Also Kat who are your top scumpicks? I just want to see it in a list so I can see what you want dead today

 

[ranmaru]

(Thing is I still suspect NL of being third party)

 

[ranmaru]

Inferno can you explain to me why Kat is iffy to you exactly?

 

[Kataefi]

It goes Circus/J/Dietz for me atm. I think there is scum in this block. Wanting answers to my questions.

I think Marshy and No Lynch need looking into. I want JTB to be active.

 

[Kataefi]

Ran why did you choose to join the detective wagon over others that were meaningful to you out of curiosity???

 

[ranmaru]

At the time I had NL as a town read. I also noticed DSH had been lurking so I voted along. I couldn't really understand what direction NL was going until then. It was a weak reason but I was fine with lending a hand.

Why aren't you voting yet?

 

[Kataefi]

well I'm waiting for answers to my questions first before voting because i feel we're at the stage where things need to be looked into more carefully considering the game's been on a quicklynch spree!

What do you make of JTB?

 

[Inferno3044]

I'm really unsure of Kata's alignment. I feel like some things he has said sound townie and others scummy (mainly when he was getting pressured). I hate being unsure of a slot. Like even having someone as null would make me feel better than not having a good idea. I can definitely see the FBI agent being a red herring. Two nights with one kill each kind of implies it. The idea of an indy is still possible.

 

[Circus]

@Circus: Garg looked meaningful to you yesterDay, what exactly has convinced you to go No Lynch right now? Also a lot of what you went into yesterDay focused moreso on Dietz than Garg despite claiming Garg should "diediedie", what exactly was your reasoning here? I found your attack on Dietz unnaturally aggressive... what did you make of my vote on you D2 and my analysis on Dark Horse?

You can't be this dense. I've got a nice healthy post coming on No Lynch (and Dietz), but you really should read instead of fluffing up all of your posts with gifs doing Zumba.

Third scummy's gotta be you or JTB.

 

[Inferno3044]

So are we claiming or not? I wanna get this rolling.

 

[ranmaru]

@Kat:

Ok that makes sense.

JTB is null to me, but I have no probs with his slot because at the moment I have other leads to look at. Like I said to Inferno, I leave him to PoE usually. (Since he is usually inactive) I also have to play the long game with him. I don't remember any stances or ANYTHING... Actually. Just "Who should I vote?" So if you have issues reading him, I guess you can just look at that ^.

 

[Kataefi]

@Circus: you've dived straight in on No Lynch... I'm curious as to why you've chosen this path for now considering you were gunning for Dietz' blood yesterDay. Could you actually answer my questions plz???

 

[Kataefi]

*teleport to Dgames archive*

 

[ranmaru]

I'm really unsure of Kata's alignment. I feel like some things he has said sound townie and others scummy (mainly when he was getting pressured). I hate being unsure of a slot. Like even having someone as null would make me feel better than not having a good idea. I can definitely see the FBI agent being a red herring. Two nights with one kill each kind of implies it. The idea of an indy is still possible.

I'm actually liking Kat more. Earlier on I felt his reads were a bit weak but I can see stronger solid reads from him. He can go a bit further in the list in claiming.

You can't be this dense. I've got a nice healthy post coming on No Lynch (and Dietz), but you really should read instead of fluffing up all of your posts with gifs doing Zumba.

Third scummy's gotta be you or JTB.

Elaborate on this momma. *chirp chirp*

 

[JTB]

Making a quick post to let you know my activity is going to be awful to non-existent for the next week. Working on another game for my last day before I leave to Fanime, then I'm not going to be back until next Tuesday. I won't have any qualms if Gorf would like to replace me, but if he keeps me in, I'll make my presence much more known late ron.

I'll be skimming this thread at times while at the con, so if a mass claim does happen, I'll be able to do that.

 

[ranmaru]

Yo, JTB. Can you at least vote Circus while you go?

 

[JTB]

No .

 

[ranmaru]

What, why not bro?

Earlier on in the game you were fine with voting along NL. Why not now?

 

[JTB]

Because unlike the past two Days, if this one goes to deadline, I will actually have time to participate and push my scum reads instead of just sheeping people because I'm gone all the time.

 

[Inferno3044]

State your scum reads JTB and explain why. If you aren't gonna be here I want the information now.

 

[Circus]

@Circus: you've dived straight in on No Lynch... I'm curious as to why you've chosen this path for now considering you were gunning for Dietz' blood yesterDay. Could you actually answer my questions plz???

All in due time.

Elaborate on this momma. *chirp chirp*

Because you and J and Inferno are town. And I'm pretending Marshy doesn't exist now.

Be back in a bit. I haven't eaten anything all day. Don't quicklynch anyone while I'm gone unless it's No Lynch.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Because unlike the past two Days, if this one goes to deadline, I will actually have time to participate and push my scum reads instead of just sheeping people because I'm gone all the time.

i think its more like itd be too useful

 

[JTB]

I mean, push my scum reads after I get back and actually read the thread to know which direction I want to go

RR was the only person I skimmed enough of earlier on to want to lynch, but now he's gone

 

[Inferno3044]

So how about we get the mass claim underway?

 

[No Lynch]

Alright, It's time to crack some heads. Luffy Style.

​

As many of you know, we've had J and JDietz as scum for a majority of the day yesterday. We don't see this changing and we've even gone further to create a huge case just for our townbros so we can rid of this evil once and for all.

First off, let's start with Jdietz.

What up peeps, no need to fear
You need a replacement? Jdietz up in here
Once I've laid out the law, and spit my rhymes
I'll read on up, when I've got the time

Once I hone in, with my laser sharp read
I'll tear a strip, on all these G's
If you're mafia, better be on gaurd
If you run into me, you're gonna get scarred



Word.

Nice rap son but you're gonna call it quits
i'm about to style you on the lesson of being scum
and you're about to have a *****fit

so don't talk know and don't think you can get away
my slick rhyming will be the last thing you hear today

We all know that Jdietz has had a recurring read on Dark Horse this whole game. He's openly stated in his second post that he wanted to lynch Dark Horse from the get-go.

Zen (and Soup), I'm not sure you don't see the elephant in the room right now as far as DH goes. Whiz is scummy, but DH is screaming obvious scum as well and you're defending him for no reason. I've been scumbuddies with him before in SF2, and I know this sounds weird but I can tell he's scum by the same virtue John wasn't scum in the 3 man Me/You/John game we played on Skype, he's already collapsed on himself and it's totally blatant. He screwed up, tried to cover by being shifty and short in response then left to hide just like he did when he was my scum-mate and got fingered. Give him another look, I want him gone as soon as Whiz Kid is out of the way.

Alright, so he's re-iterated in his first 3 posts that DH is scum and that we should be lynching him. I want people to remember this as they continue to read, because this is where things get mildly interesting.

JDietz this game seems to be playing passive-agressively, he wants to pretend he's assertive and confident yet goes out of his way to blindly attack people on the merit of hoping what they did was scummy. At first he acts like he's tough, then he burrows back into his DH read to try and seem like he's assertive. He's done this move three times in account now, first being here and here where he shows mild annoyance to our slot, yet tries to convince that DH is scum still. The thing that bothers me the most is that if JDietz really thought DH was scum, he'd be putting more effort into getting us to switch, instead he just wants us to think that we know where he's coming from. In fact, why is he trying to convince the person who has been openly defending DH the whole time? Why does he think we're going to switch? Why isn't he considering what our connection to DH may be? He doesn't do any of these things. I'm not gonna call JDietz the best mafia player but his play has shown no townie intention whatsoever, he has not considered these things and his tunnel on DH is fake and laughable at this point. It's going to be even more funny when he drops his huge scumread later in this case.

I reckon that's because I'm not playing reckless. Still I'm pretty town. We should also be pretty much cleared as not mafia seeing that Soup took my invitation to rejoin the game

Zen that's a terrible reason. That's like saying anyone who asks for a replacement due to inactivity is town, which is total garbage.

Once again, JDietz shows that he is trying to play passive-agressive, without having the intention to do so as town. He blatantly calls us out on something yet doesn't question why we would do it, or how it determines his read on us.

Kata, can you please vote Ditzy>Circus for toDay if not for yourself? <3 I'd be much obliged for that.

Wanna substantiate that J? I see no reason I should go before Circus toDay. DH was playing with his classic scumtells showing in full force, then replaced out. He's the obvious pick and I'm not sure why not everyone can see that. (Zen)

"Wanna tell me why I shouldn't be voting town, J? I'm curious because i'm going to use this a distancing attempt to blindly call you out without still looking at the reason to do so. Gosh, what about that DH guy, he sure still is scum."

Honestly pathetic at this point that people let JDietz skate around, he's obvious scum and he doesn't have a lick of reasoning behind anything he does, I could save myself the trouble of making this case but I want to make sure this slot is dead by the time you're done reading this. To re-iterate: JDietz still trying to play passive-agressive without having intention to look into things.

You know this is how I play J, when people don't actually have anything on my slot and try to push it: I'm going to push them back until they either substantiate some actual reasons or back down from having a bad case. I'm not just going to let people push me for it without fighting back.

The way I see it: I replaced a noob who people bullied into voting when he didn't know how to handle the situation, then got grilled for voting after they made him do it. DH on the other hand has no such excuse. He played weak, slipped up and got out of town. SF2 wasn't the only game I've seen him in, he was also in (game still ongoing) as scum and was quickly killed off, and you were scum with me when we were paired with DH (if only briefly). I don't want to bash him: but he's not good as scum. He wasn't devoid of scumslips while here either, for instance:

Then..what have you done to fight back? All you've done is mudsling but you have showed no reason to fight back. if you're chivalrous to fight back, why haven't you done it? where is your questioning? where is your motive? did you drop your brain when you came into this game? People have a reason ot interact with you and you are completely ignoring it, when subjugated with a situation you can't handle, you burrow back into your DH read and try convincing someone to stop attacking you and get DH instead. This is absolute bull**** and you know it.

This is his small case on Dark Horse, his reasoning is simply that DH called out ryu's obvgambit in an attempt to make sure his noobscum partner didn't get caught in it. Who's the noobscum partner, Dietz? Have you considered it or are you still concerned on getting DH lynched?

Personal lynch order so far is Circus>Inferno>Zen



Zen, mind elaborating on what your thought process was for the KWK lynch? Iirc you were the one trying to get most people to join the wagon, and were the first to invite me to do so upon joining the game.


@Ninja: every game...

So..reasoning behind this all again, Ditzy?

Partially real. I had mixed feelings at best about his slot yesterDay, KWK town flip makes me feel worse about his position since he was the one to flat out ask me to join the wagon when I came in. Could go either way but definitely needs looking into.

Tell me more about things you haven't lived up to, ditz.

DH's slot could contain an important scum PR therefore it could be more valuable for scum to protect that slot ya see?

@J: Wut? Wanna explain that out for us so we can actually follow you. I agree DH's slot is scummy, but I don't see where you're getting PR from.

Yeah, I believe i've already pointed this out but I have no idea what JDietz is thinking or doing here.

Our interaction with JDietz still shows that passive-aggressive point I've been making throughout i've typed this, #658-#680 is just a mesh of JDietz first agressively pushing us for wanting a Massclaim, then turning the other cheek to vote J. Why did he even push on us if he intended to not do anything with it, why did he just let it go and decide to vote J? Here's his reasoning, just in case you're interested. I'm not concerned into calling him out on this but I am concerned with what I would consider the peak of this whole case.

#698-#720. The biggest meat of it all.

I want you to read this, I want you to tell me why, after being called out JDietz would go to the assumption that J could possibly be indy, and completely deflecting any question I (Soup) gave him regarding his DH read. His play doesn't make a bit of sense and he does not any solid reason to suspect DH anymore. When questioned about his reasoning behind DH being scum and who his partners may be, he deflects anything thrown at him just to say "I am not looking for partners, I just think that J could be scum or indy." Why? Where's the motive? Where's the incentive to do so? Why is he not considering these things? Because he's scum.

Gonna cookie-cutter some things that don't really concern me. lol JDietz still trying to play passive-agressive.

Fine

Vote: Detective


@NL: Wanna substantiate that scumbaggo? You're the one who's literally willing to kill half the town.

This is right after me and Zen vote him. and Ranmaru too. He completely votes Detective just because he starts getting pressured. Lmfao. So ****ing obvious scum. AND THERE HE IS WITH THE AGRESSIVE STANCE AGAIN, SO ****ING GOOD DIETZ.

He has not even considered DH at this point and is only concerened at keeping his image instead of scumhunting. Where does this match up with DH?

I"ll do it if it helps everyone join me on J/NL/Circus toMorrow

Where is he getting this? How are we scum for actively pushing J, and him joining it? are we bussing? are we distancing? He cannot explain any of his actions and is trying to selectively pair his scumreads just to seem like he had intention to do things.

(because I would stake my life that SK lies between you and J)

So we're all indy scum? so much ****ing obvious scum oh my god.

If I die tonight: No Lynch and J are scum.

Still trying to pair us with J somehow without having reasoning to do so.

#927-#954. The nail in the coffin. I don't even need to tell you how he's scum from this, it should be obvious and I hope this wall can sum everything up nicely for you.

JDietz is scum for

- Selectively pushing players without having intention to do so
- Barrelling his own scumread the whole game without actively questioning it or the people who could be aligned with him
- Playing passive-aggressive in situations that could be cautious to play in (See: Him voting J just because we asked him to)
- Changing his opinion to fit his own forte and pretend that he is scumhunting (See: Pairing us with J)

VOTE: JDIETZ43

 

[No Lynch]

Wrote that during the night, you're welcome.

let's quicklynch his *** and call it a day.

 

[No Lynch]

lmao at Ditzy's case on us

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i didnt read any of that and probably wont

however im sure its ballin mad hardbody

 

[Purple]

People thought I was cop?

Maaaan scrubs

gl town

 

[No Lynch]

Yo guys: Remember when I was going to write up my feelings on NL? Well I did.

No Lynch's slot can be entirely summed up in two ways:

1. Rolefishing:



Please, tell me your roles.


No really, tell me your role.


Claiming is no biggie, look I already did! Tell me your role.


VT right? Tell me your role.


Just some of them maybe?


Roxy you're an investigative right?


Yeah you totally are, I'm going to run with that until you tell me if you're actually cop.


Everyone's roles... I must know them.




And 2. Quicklynching:

Here he puts Dark Horse at L-1 before letting him claim, at only post #201 of the game


Two votes on Whiz? Time to push hard and lynch faster, after all the inactives are killing us...




Claims? We don't need those, dying quickly is much better




Remember when I said inactives were killing us? I was joking, I also think they can help kill the rest of you if you ask nicely when they get replaced.


Maybe that would be ok once, after all it took more than just him to lynch KWK no matter how much he was part of the wagon. But this isn't an isolated incident.

Asking for a quicklynch is even part of how he started the wagon on J (by reversing his attack on me)




Just kidding, everyone on J is good






No? Ok someone else then




Ryu should tell me his role, but I re-iterate, we should still kill him even if he's doc.



(you know, just in case...)



Lynching good, stopping bad.


True up until the part where he insinuates that he's actually looking for scum versus just any lynch.




Someone must die. Kataefi wants Circus so let's go there


I re-iterate: anyone.






So basically anyone.


Won't auto-vote DSH upon entering thread without questioning it? What if I vote him...





Won't quickhammer for no reason? Must be scum...


Jk bro I'll take whoever


Scum is a very loose term.


Rolefishing and attempting to push through quick lynches are hallmark traits of scum. And if that isn't enough for you...

Let's look at some other facts:
Zen claims VT early, almost immediately upon replacing in with no reason to do so. As if he wants to solidify his position as town as soon as possible and avoid dealing with being tripped up with a claim later.
NL has wagon jumped more than any other player by far, changed their vote the most, and been most willing to kill whoever seems a lynch can be reached on. The jumps the slot has made are staggering in amount. I may dedicate another post to documenting just how frequent they are.
NL has buddied Ran and Marshy to achieve that end (Ran good friend to the slot who can be persuaded to put on town goggles on towards NL, Marshy always willing to shoot first and ask questions later if given the chance)
Gheb expressed dissatisfaction with NL D1, then died.
No Lynch has personally seen through two Mislynches so far (assuming ryu isn't lying). Both of the lynches so far this game.
This is a wonderful reason for NL being town, wouldn't you say? Everyone make note of how great a reason it is real quick.


Stay tuned for NL case part 2: "No Lynch votes everyone" coming soon (if needed)

Vote: No Lynch (the player)

Willing to lynch J if not NL

Hey JDietz, tell me your role

tl;dr ****ty *** case not gonna bother with zz

Zen claims VT early, almost immediately upon replacing in with no reason to do so. As if he wants to solidify his position as town as soon as possible and avoid dealing with being tripped up with a claim later.
NL has wagon jumped more than any other player by far, changed their vote the most, and been most willing to kill whoever seems a lynch can be reached on. The jumps the slot has made are staggering in amount. I may dedicate another post to documenting just how frequent they are.
NL has buddied Ran and Marshy to achieve that end (Ran good friend to the slot who can be persuaded to put on town goggles on towards NL, Marshy always willing to shoot first and ask questions later if given the chance)
Gheb expressed dissatisfaction with NL D1, then died.
No Lynch has personally seen through two Mislynches so far (assuming ryu isn't lying). Both of the lynches so far this game.
This is a wonderful reason for NL being town, wouldn't you say? Everyone make note of how great a reason it is real quick.

lol if that's anything at all, it's what we are son and if you can't deal with that then you should check up on Ryker mafia.

Wagon jumping isn't a conclsuive tell and you, as the obvious scum you are, are ignoring the facts behind why we jump. Mafia is a not black and white game, you have not looked at the grey area and you have ignored it completely only to make us seem scummy by wagon hopping. Guess what? Town can wagon-hop.

Yeah we killed Gheb even though he sheeped on KWK gg wp Gheb you got us D1

Deal with it, no, i'm serious, deal with it. How is this a scum-tell? I'll mislynch to get rid of the fat of the town, KWK was nearly useless and got himself lynched, I don't remember with what happened on Sherlock but we quicklynched him on his own regard, he was scummy.

 

[No Lynch]

Instead of saying "But NL did this! Wagon hopping is scummy!" Show me. Show me how it's scummy. How does it make us scum? Why are we wagon hopping? Your case is quite possibly the worst thing i've ever read and it filled with so many holes it could be swiss cheese.

Your case on us role-fishing has got to be one of the most stupidest things i've ever read and i couldn't even keep myself interested to hear you call us out on rolefishing without creating a reason as to why we did. You are undeniably grasping straws and slinging mud at this point.

 

[No Lynch]

Who's your partner JDietz? What are you hiding? You might as well throw WIFOM out there. Give me reads.

 

[ranmaru]

Yo nl, what's your opinion on Circus and Kat ToDay? Circus's proposed quick lynch on you?

What's your read on J ToDay? I skimmed your JD case, I'm trying to see any J stances on it.

Also... most important of all:

Are you indy? Cmon. If you are, I'll understand. I promise. <3

 

[Inferno3044]

We are not quick lynching today. However I am not against JDietz's lynch today. I might've given Garg the BotD but at this stage I can't afford to do so again.