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Jdeitz, but as I said I am holding my vote primarily to give myself the power to hammer. If you were to get a wagon on J I might support it.Jk who would you vote if you could
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The quote he's responding to as he cited it:Then..what have you done to fight back? All you've done is mudsling but you have showed no reason to fight back. if you're chivalrous to fight back, why haven't you done it? where is your questioning?
Notice anything funny about that non-bolded section? It looks an awful lot like a response and fighting back to me. Hell, it even ends at "for instance:" and is clearly cut off before I elaborate on my DH read. Selective reading at it's finest.You know this is how I play J, when people don't actually have anything on my slot and try to push it: I'm going to push them back until they either substantiate some actual reasons or back down from having a bad case. I'm not just going to let people push me for it without fighting back.
The way I see it: I replaced a noob who people bullied into voting when he didn't know how to handle the situation, then got grilled for voting after they made him do it. DH on the other hand has no such excuse. He played weak, slipped up and got out of town. SF2 wasn't the only game I've seen him in, he was also in (game still ongoing) as scum and was quickly killed off, and you were scum with me when we were paired with DH (if only briefly). I don't want to bash him: but he's not good as scum. He wasn't devoid of scumslips while here either, for instance:
, referring to a promise to substantiate on him. I think my first post today can show you why that's ****. (Hint: it's because it exists)Tell me more about things you haven't lived up to, ditz.
I rest my case.Why the hell are people listening to No Lynch?
Look at Shining Force for a spectacular example of why you shouldn't.
The least you could do is answer the questions presented, you are actively ignoring everything I asked you and only attacking the argument, not the content. This is why you're scum, you are not looking at the content presented and you are only looking at the surface of the argument, you have not considered why I asked you those questions and you ignore them because you don't have an answer to your actions.Yeah, I'm not even going to try making sense of Soups ****** wall. Read it for yourself, then try to figure out why any of what he says actually holds up.
I have clearly shown my meaning multiple times in an attempt to reach out to you, Why did you call me and J scum partners? Why are we Indy? Where do you get this thought process? Oh wait, you still can't explain that because you're pulling things out your *** attempting that they'll stick.He calls me out for the stupidest things, and doesn't even try to figure out the intent behind them. Most of the time, he's actively ignoring the meaning in an attempt to find a reason to push back at me. Some of the answers to his questions are in the parts he quotes to ask questions.
That's not a fight back, that's you appealing to the town, as Zen pointed out once or twice. You explained your reasoning but you did not fight back nor give a stance.Notice anything funny about that non-bolded section? It looks an awful lot like a response and fighting back to me. Hell, it even ends at "for instance:" and is clearly cut off before I elaborate on my DH read. Selective reading at it's finest.
So are you gonna repeat the same argument you had over and over are we gonna do something new for once in your life? You've already made a point on Rolefishing and I completely torn your arguments to bits and you have nothing to say besides strawmanning and grasping for straws.referring to a promise to substantiate on him. I think my first post today can show you why that's ****. (Hint: it's because it exists)
NL is flailing. He pushed too many of the wrong people too many times in an obvious way and is trying to cover for it the best he can though this schizo act between Zen and Soup. Obvious scum through and through, just read his terrible case and all the times where he obviously rolefishes for NK info if you need proof (or just look at his voting history). The slot has obviously been looking to Ranmaru and Marshy for support in making his actions look even the slightest bit town, and so far it's worked. Don't let it continue to.
...welp too late for that (lol)Hey JDietz: how are you, man?
I'm going to suggest that when you get here, you don't go overboard in a response to No Lynch. I only mention it because I think it'd be easy to do.
I would really like you to talk me through your reads on Marshy, Ranmaru and myself/J. Ideally I'd like a few lines on each, just explaining what you think of their play, what stuck out to you, your gut feelings etc. I'm still catching up a bit, and I'd like to hear your point of view.
-Kary
Distance your partner harder DietzYour slot is scummy. You started out fine for awhile, but soon devolved into fighting with every slot that moved. It hogged up the thread and destroyed readability. Then you replaced out, and J replaced in. J started his run by attacking me, but for all the wrong reasons. Instead of making a case about Garg (who I had just replaced), he ignored Garg's actions and made a case entirely about the two posts I had had up to that point. This made no sense and reeked of opportunism, yet you stuck to it. Your slot has done nothing after that to alleviate this scum read.
Answer my questions and stop avoiding them, if you're actually town you're gonna buckle down and give me the reads I want, I'm not having this stupid argument if nothing beneficial is going to come from it.
Because there wasn't any content from me to actually make a case on. The only case one could have made was off of Garg's previous actions, but that wasn't the case. It was a horrendous push.Distance your partner harder Dietz
Why are you defending your own replacement slot and how is that merit that he's scum lol
Dietz what's your read on Circus
oh wait you'll ignore that too
i'm gonna make an excuse not to answer something because i don't know what i'm doing. this is what you're telling me. Do you not know what you're doing? It certainly seems like it.I'm not answering your "reach out" because there's no town there to reach out to.
are you ****ing kidding meBecause there wasn't any content from me to actually make a case on. The only case one could have made was off of Garg's previous actions, but that wasn't the case. It was a horrendous push.
Everyone is scum but me, especially you. (we'll see what Circus does, he's got brownie points for voting for you, otherwise DH scumread holds)
you truly believe answering this is a good idea? it seems like asking to be manipulated...Marshy what do you think of the Ditz/J/Circus group
is it all scum in a bunch of is there town in there too
How about asking me questions before you call me out on not answering them?Hey JDietz, tell me your role
tl;dr ****ty *** case not gonna bother with zz
Cheers JDietz. Could you please elaborate on Ran's attitude/scum-hunting for me, perhaps just by quoting me a couple of things? That'd be grand....welp too late for that (lol)
Here's how I see it:
Marshy is doing ok. I think he's let his "let's lynch 'em" attitude be taken advantage of, but I don't think he's scum. He hasn't been actively wagon-hopping as much as NL, instead mostly taking one scum read and pushing it until it is or isn't the day's lynch. That said however, if he continues to line up with ML's (especially of NL's suggestion) it shouldn't be taken lightly.
Ranmaru is town, his overall attitude and scum-hunting speak to that. However he needs to be more assertive. He's let other people sway the actions for the day and let his friendship with NL dictate his actions for him far too much. He needs to get out of his bad relationship with the quicklynch crew and stick up for himself if we're going to see positive results.
Your slot is scummy. You started out fine for awhile, but soon devolved into fighting with every slot that moved. It hogged up the thread and destroyed readability. Then you replaced out, and J replaced in. J started his run by attacking me, but for all the wrong reasons. Instead of making a case about Garg (who I had just replaced), he ignored Garg's actions and made a case entirely about the two posts I had had up to that point. This made no sense and reeked of opportunism, yet you stuck to it. Your slot has done nothing after that to alleviate this scum read.
Bro I am 100% ignoring you unless you actually ask me a question and stop spamming the thread to seem useful.wait wait call me indy again please
Distance your partner harder Dietz
Why are you defending your own replacement slot and how is that merit that he's scum lol
Dietz what's your read on Circus
oh wait you'll ignore that too
whoa look at all those questionsI have clearly shown my meaning multiple times in an attempt to reach out to you, Why did you call me and J scum partners? Why are we Indy? Where do you get this thought process? Oh wait, you still can't explain that because you're pulling things out your *** attempting that they'll stick.
Fixed that for youwhoa look at all those rhetorical questions to myself
lolrofl10charfixed that for you
Absolutely do it. I don't remember you asking a single real question, much less able to answer ones that I'm not aware of.Dietz do you want me to go back a couple of pages i'll find some more for you just in case you're braindead and don't understand when someone is asking you a question
Sure. I'll go fetch some of the points and reasonings on Ran and your slot, it's a more practical use of my time for now. Talking to Soup is like talking to a wall.Cheers JDietz. Could you please elaborate on Ran's attitude/scum-hunting for me, perhaps just by quoting me a couple of things? That'd be grand.
Also, can you do the same for both:
J's actions towards you, and
our sticking to that?
I'll happily take any questions you've got for me/us.
JDietz, why are you clinging onto your DH read without sufficient reason to back it up? Who is his partner if he's scum?
So what's your reasoning to vote J? He finds your biggest scum-read to be scum also, yet you vote him because of his comment on DH being an important PR? How the hell is he paired with DH at this point? Or is that something you haven't though of?
Okay, cool. So which is it? Why do you think J is bussing? Why are you voting him for voting DH? I realize you don't like the slot already but why put priority over DH? Tell me that.
Also, Indy? Where are you suddenly getting Indy? Please tell me you're not backing out on them.
Then....Him voting DH means nothing to you at all and you're only willing to consider him possibly bussing despite the fact you've called DH scum the whole time you've been in this game?
LOL what explain to me how what you find scummy about my play at all. You're saying that J is not necessarily town for having a scum read on DH. But you're saying I'm scum for having a Town read on DH. Complete double-standard showing a false thought process.
You're full of it. Who do you think is most likely scum out of Roxy, JTB, and Sherlock?
How would you not remember you reads lolwut. Isn't this the only game you're in? If you have forgotten, then reread and give a full reads list with reasoning.
Vig this slot, holy ****.
Why are you suddenly pairing us with J, when you willilngly voted J just beacuse we asked you to? Are you kidding me? You're scum. You're scum. You need to die. You are scum.
Yeah? And what else would you stake? What happened to DH? Why aren't you reading circus? You've completely ignored the own basis of your reads to merely attack us in a situation that makes you look bad.
You still haven't answered how this pairs up with your mundo scum DH read, in fact, you've been ignoring it in general and focusing on defending yourself.
wow look at all those questionsand he's scum with me and J now? Why? Oh wait, we're all indy.
Your own reasoning isn't a real question all of the sudden? Really, you don't know what you're doing then.Absolutely do it. I don't remember you asking a single real question, much less able to answer ones that I'm not aware of.
YES. Because every single question you asked on that list had a direct answer from me in thread already. Do you want me to get them, or were you too lazy to look a few posts under where you first asked each one? (look I'm getting good a rhetorical questions too)Dietz do you need to grab the ones from my case too or did I make my point clear enough