Enemies of the Crown: King Dedede Matchup Thread (SERIN IS IN CHARGE NOW NOT GATES)

[o-Serin-o]

You know you did have to make your own thread.

C'mon now :/

 

[T3h Albino]

I agree with some of the ones you're expecting criticism for, especially luigi ;;

 

[Gates]

Could you like put this in some sort of logical order plz?

- You guys already know I can pop out a fully reasoned explanation on any of these, so don't come in here and start a flame war about how wrong and ridiculous I am.

If you didn't want a flame war, why did you post it? lol

- All matchups assume the infinite is not allowed.

-Please keep in mind I have already given full explanations for ROB, Marth, Metaknight, and Falco. Don't tell me how wrong I am about those characters until you go read my reasoning in their respective threads.

You know it would be nice if you actually, you know, posted links to those threads where you discussed your strategies for those characters. I remember what you said about ROB, Marth, and MK, but I can't remember where you posted the Falco one.

- The matchups I'm expecting the most criticism from are as follows:
Metaknight Meh. A lot of people feel the same as you and those that don't can see your reasoning if you actually post links to the thread where you discussed it.
Sonic Nobody cares about Sonic.
Falco It would be really nice if you posted a link to where you said your opinion of this since I can't find it.
Fox Yeah, I really want to see your reasoning for this. The only situation where I could imagine that Fox has an advantage in the matchup is if you only played on FD and you had to spot him a stock.
Climbers Have you ever played a good Ice Climbers player? By good I mean like lain/meep/Hylian level, not just "a pretty cool guy eh desynchs and cgs and doesn't afraid of anything".
Zero Suit What you have is reasonable.
Luigi If infinite is banned, what you have is actually reasonable.

Other things I'd like to see your logic behind:

Pikachu - This is pretty high. 40:60 is reasonable but I don't really understand 45:55.
TL - I'm guessing a lot of this is just unfamiliarity with the matchup? He camps pretty well, but no worse than ROB or Lucario.
Pit - Same as Toon Link for the most part.
Squirtle - I can see why you'd have trouble with this, but just so you know, you can sheildgrab everything Squirtle does, which makes the matchup extremely easy. In fact, I have more trouble with Charizard than Squirtle ever since I started doing that.
Jigglypuff - Same as Squirtle. As long as you don't do something stupid like let her get you far offstage, you'll be ok.

I agree with your ratio on Lucario btw.

 

[Chuee]

I was REALLY surprised at Fox.

 

[momochuu]

I was gonna close this, but if some good discussion comes out of it, I'll keep it open.

 

[Commander_Beef]

CPU....
I'm curious about how you see the Zero Suit Samus matchup...and how you think we counter her. Would you explain to me please on how we counter her and what you've been doing against her so brutally?

It's important for the other mains to know about your point of view on this matchup.

 

[Zip.]

most of the other matchups imo seem fine other than Falco,Ice Climbers, and ZSS.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Dedede vs. Falco should be even imo.

 

[Jupz]

I agree with the ZSS one. I believe Fox has the advantage on us aswell, but only 55:45 and potentially even.

 

[LMaster]

I'm surprised about Zelda's match up.

55 : 45 in DDD favor is wrong for me. Believe or not Zelda has the potential to do a lot of crappy things on D3.

Bair pressure, Fsmash spacing, aerial combo (Ana to Bair or Fair sweetspot), her recorevy is difficult to punish (if she recover upper the stage, she can ledgegrab or recover on you and you have to perfect shielding the hit to punish ~~), Dtilt lock, neutral B with invulnerability's frames, dash rangegrab (sic), Usmash x2 (true combo starter ~~), tiny hurtbox, Up DI on Dthrow etc.

I play a lot with a good zelda mainer and this character is pretty undervalued and can be a D3 counter, tekk can confirm

I'm also surprised by olimar, oli**** have the avantage near (grab) and far (Bside spamming) from DDD. Against a defensive olimar, it's really hard to do something so I don't understand the 45:55 (Meaby because I only play against oli on wifi XD )

Don't understand the fox too ~~

And just for flame war D3 ditto should be 70:30 in Red DDD favor you're an idiot :D

 

[T3h Albino]

So uhh...care to explain falco/fox?

 

[Jupz]

Yeah I believe we have the advantage on squirtle as well. For one kill percents lol, shieldgrab and Bair are too good.

 

[moyshe]

Kinda random. For the future nobody will take some random person's match up opinions seriously.

 

[T3h Albino]

CPU is arguably the best dedede player the west coast has to offer, he is by no means a random.

 

[Browny]

- The main point of this post is to stir discussion and questions on very specific characters.
- The matchups I'm expecting the most criticism from are as follows:
Sonic
12. Sonic 45:55

uh yeah. I didnt come here to stir discussion since I know sonic is generally not much of a reason for concern. But I have to ask, did a sonic player run the timer on you? >_<

 

[Gates]

Sonics play like Warios now?

Actually, that makes sense.

 

[CRASHiC]

Hey, your Metaknight write up, its not a write up at all. All you basically say is that "Havok does whatevery other metaknight does except faster than I can recat to." and it basically translates into "Hey guys I suck at responding to mixups."

/figured this out while listening to scrubs complain about Rufus in SF4.

 

[Zip.]

Hey, your Metaknight write up, its not a write up at all. All you basically say is that "Havok does whatevery other metaknight does except faster than I can recat to." and it basically translates into "Hey guys I suck at responding to mixups."

/figured this out while listening to scrubs complain about Rufus in SF4.

Welcome back, Crashic <3

 

[T3h Albino]

lol you would.

 

[TlocCPU]

Crashiic the moron speaks again! :D
Like why do you even come here? You're really bad at the game and you don't know anything about King Dedede. You have absolutely nothing to offer us other than mindless trolling. Do you really want to get into another flame war with me? You looked like a ****** last time and I can put you in that same position where everybody here hates you again if you want.

As for the characters you guys wanted to know about, you can expect full writeups in this thread soon. I was out for the weekend so I didn't get a chance to do so and I'm a bit busy at this moment.

Edit: Actually nevermind. I'm not interested in posting here for the same reason I stopped posting here last time. People like Crashic make me not want to offer my knowledge or help. Those of you who want to talk about it, you have my AIM. You can lock this thread now.

 

[.AC.]

metaknight!!!!

i think sheik does better than that btw

 

[CRASHiC]

Please CPU, you really didn't say anything in your write up, and your olimar approach is awful. Honestly, if you think the SOUND of that it makes is a valid part of the match up, then that's just insanely stupid. Ques that let you know something is going to happen don't effect matchups UNLESS that que happens to be something that actually matters, like, ya know, START UP, something that would actually effect the matchup.

Your writes up are a wall of text that don't say anything but outline very minuscule things. Your Metaknight matchup is litterally just saying "Havok does what every metaknight does but he mixes it up really fast." Guess what, that shouldn't change the matchup. That only speaks to yours and his skill and NOT the actual matchup. Now, if you gave things that Metaknight could do that we didn't have an option against, THEN it would be something that changes the matchup, BUT YOU DON'T. You provide things that we CAN deal with but then say "he mixes them up so fast that its pointless." Honestly, what the **** is that ****?

 

[lain]

ur dumb

78910

 

[o-Serin-o]

They always come back.




Always.

 

[CO18]

DDD vs Ics is 7:3 Ics. And thats only cuz DDD wins on his cp. I had no approach vs lain. Only way I could legitly approach is if he screwed up his desynching.

DDD beats fox.

DDD destroys jigglypuff.
He beats sonic.
Zss has a slight adv vs ddd.
Falco wins 6:4 and Mks only 6:4.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

^^^^^

agreed, me and co had many discusions of these matchups this passed weekend

 

[AtotheZ]

CO, how did you do vs lain? like how many stocks did you have at the end of each match?

I'm asking, because well, I had the same problem

I could have technically avoided being grabbed by Lain but that would of just meant that he sheilds my dair approach and up airs me into oblivion

and as for olimar, CPU's approach to the matchup is actually pretty darn useful, ftilt is probably your best move against him because it forces his approach

 

[o-Serin-o]

Videos or you suck.

 

[CO18]

CO, how did you do vs lain? like how many stocks did you have at the end of each match?

I'm asking, because well, I had the same problem

I could have technically avoided being grabbed by Lain but that would of just meant that he sheilds my dair approach and up airs me into oblivion

and as for olimar, CPU's approach to the matchup is actually pretty darn useful, ftilt is probably your best move against him because it forces his approach

I got ***** DDD vs Ics. It was like 2 stock mid%. 2nd game I jv 2 stocked his mk on brinstar.
Then 3rd game Wario vs Ics I got him to last stock mid-high%.

I dont know how DDD can realistically approach Ics without them screwing up their desynchs/getting lucky and keep getting gordos or some ish.

I would need like alot of friendlies vs lain to figure something out.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Inhale ****s up desynchs.

 

[CO18]

You cant inhale if theyre blizzarding wtf. And the other Ic can instantly hit you b4 u spit the other one out.

Only time inhale is useful is like near the ledge or if theyre stupidly rushing in for a grab when ur in the air.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Fly above and b-reverse it if they are blizzarding in front of you.

And why have you never used Wario against me?

 

[CO18]

Fly above and b-reverse it if they are blizzarding in front of you.

And why have you never used Wario against me?

Wow i dont even feel like responding to this. 1. you can get up aired 2. Because it isnt completely Obvious. 3. He has enough time to move away 4. even if you inhale he can hit you before you do anything


also wario sucks on wifi.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Depends on how you do it.

It isn't THAT obvious on what you do.




And if he messes up his blizzard walling, bair, reverse inhale that could suffice....


Maybe...

 

[CO18]

Yea but thats the problem you have to rely on him messing up and he didnt lol

 

[Zip.]

somebody doesnt play many ic players. =p

 

[TlocCPU]

I love these boards. You guys are doing it wrong therefore there's no way I could know something you don't. Thank you Michael Hey, west coasts best IC player and very good dedede player too. <3

 

[Commander_Beef]

DDD vs Ics is 7:3 Ics. And thats only cuz DDD wins on his cp. I had no approach vs lain. Only way I could legitly approach is if he screwed up his desynching.

DDD beats fox.

DDD destroys jigglypuff.
He beats sonic.
Zss has a slight adv vs ddd.
Falco wins 6:4 and Mks only 6:4.

Me and CO18 think very much alike on our current matchups. [Me and CPU have some common matchup opinions to] But I'll just say that the original post's matchup ratios are CPU's opinion and are not fact, so it's not a "oh this matchup is this or that" kind of thing.

[For people who get agitated easily, I was neutral in my post.]

 

[TlocCPU]

Me and CO18 think very much alike on our current matchups. But I'll just say that the original post's matchup ratios are CPU's opinion and are not fact, so it's not a "oh this matchup is this or that" kind of thing.

[For people who get agitated easily, I was neutral in my post.]

Beef talk to me on AIM if you want to know why I think about matchups in certain ways. I just told Co18 about my ice climbers approach (or michael hey's I should say) and he is probably going to **** ICs now lol.

 

[Vayseth]

DDDs worst match ups:

DDD.

He can take the rest of the cast with practice. ICs are pretty BS tho.