Embedding YouTube videos may soon be a felony?

[Man of Popsicle]

Europe is an entire continent, that's really not exactly a specific comparison.

Really find it hilarious when people just lump Europe all together when basically every country in it speaks an entirely different language.

Well they sort of have the European Union and they are predominantly socialist.

Henry Kissinger is a Jew. A large portion of the American government's big thinkers are Jews. You honestly think they're going to waste money on anything? If there's a war, it's happening for a good reason.

I'm not going to open the debate about whether it's for security, to help the country's people, or to lay claim to their resources, but what I am going to say is something as expensive and as polarising in opinion as war isn't something that is done without years of careful consideration and reasoning.

Except the president can do as he pleases for 100 days and then Congress can *****foot around the issue forever.

 

[El Nino]

I've been hearing a lot of talk about "going back to the founding fathers' ideals" lately, so why don't we do that and stay neutral on almost all outside wars?

Many of those outside wars aren't actually outside wars. Many are wars we started or helped start to gain leverage because we don't own all the commodities we need to sustain our economy.

Henry Kissinger is a Jew. A large portion of the American government's big thinkers are Jews. You honestly think they're going to waste money on anything? If there's a war, it's happening for a good reason.

You're right, but the religion isn't the cause. The American government is pragmatic because it wasn't built on a solid core ideology, and most of the presidents have been Protestant Christian.

 

[Vigilante]

I'll post what I posed in another thread:

I will tell you what I tell my fellow Quebecer comrades who are too stupid to act in the face of adversity: If you don't act, you can't complain. You guys are in a democracy, use your right for free speech and let your annoyance be known. Use good arguments. and pressure the power in place. I'm not from the USA, but I at least support the cause to stop this idiocy.

You are stronger than you think and in numbers, you are the true might of your nation.

Also, saying USA does great things for other countries is extremely narcissistic. All it's doing is imperialistically trying to enforce its own ideology onto other because of a subjectively narcissistic feeling that they are a superior nation. This is why people are making fun of USA. It's this portion of the population acting like they own the world. Of course, USA is not the only country that thinks that way. English Canada is pretty much the same to the Quebec nation. They think they civilized us, made our lives better, while in reality, they made our lives more complicated and we're actually not really grateful at their attempts to destroy out culture and their continued racism against us. Any party with too much power is pretty much bound to feel it is morally just and confuses subjective feelings for objective realities.

USA is able to fail and do wrong like every other country, so instead of blindingly following your country's leaders because they "know better", think as individuals and not as patriots and act for your own interests. Congressmen and senators won,t do it for you. Once you realize just about every nation can make stupid decisions, yous top being a foolish patriot and you realize that if you want something done, you do it yourself and you find people with similar desires. And that is especially true if you hail from a minority.

It's your responsibility to rise up and protest, or the power is just going to walk over your posterior and wipe it's dirty shoes on it.

 

[ds22]

This thread makes me even more happy of the fact that I live in the Netherlands and not in the USA AKA the land of 'freedom'.

 

[Xebenkeck]

English Canada is pretty much the same to the Quebec nation. They think they civilized us, made our lives better, while in reality, they made our lives more complicated and we're actually not really grateful at their attempts to destroy out culture and their continued racism against us.

The main reason English Canada hates Quebec is right there. You guys see yourselves as a Nation within a COUNTRY, they purposely segregate themselves from the rest of Canada because they feel entitled to do it because they are different. Which is both arrogant and a slap to all other ethnically different people in Canada. Why don't the chineese population living in Vancouver get the reconition of being a nation, why is Quebec so special? How about Saskatchwan where half the population is aboriginal, why don't they get Nation status? How about Newfoundland, were many people still fly the Union Jack, why not them? How about Arcadia in New Brunswick, they are French as well but they dont get the luxery of Nation Status like the French do in Quebec, why aren't they a Nation? The fall of the Bloc in our last election was a major step forward for our country, the government no longer has to cater to the people of Quebec above everyone else in the country who are equally as deserving.

Lol you think the rest of Canada thinks we civilized you? Thats like saying England civilized France, if we had "civilized Quebec" we wouldn't have two official languages. When Canada was formed they reconized that there were both English and French people here hence why we are biligual and reconize the English and French populations/cultures in our constitution.

As for America, they are a bit of a mess, but that is due to a massive population, America has so many people that vocal minorities dont seem that minor, such as the case with this propsed youtube law. There is a small amount of people pushing for it, and they are the loud minority. When in reality the vast majority of people would be against this bill, but people dont care enough to raise their voice or show that they are oppose to this.


Also we all should move to Norway, they are ranked #1 in quality of living.

 

[Vigilante]

The main reason English Canada hates Quebec is right there. You guys see yourselves as a Nation within a COUNTRY, they purposely segregate themselves from the rest of Canada because they feel entitled to do it because they are different. Which is both arrogant and a slap to all other ethnically different people in Canada. Why don't the chineese population living in Vancouver get the reconition of being a nation, why is Quebec so special? How about Saskatchwan where half the population is aboriginal, why don't they get Nation status? How about Newfoundland, were many people still fly the Union Jack, why not them? How about Arcadia in New Brunswick, they are French as well but they dont get the luxery of Nation Status like the French do in Quebec, why aren't they a Nation? The fall of the Bloc in our last election was a major step forward for our country, the government no longer has to cater to the people of Quebec above everyone else in the country who are equally as deserving.

Considering that Quebec was conquered through war then abandoned by Europe at the hands of the English, then the French Canadians were treated like ****, having no rights for positions of power, having the constitution formed behind it's back, forcing us to stay despite Canada claiming it is a voluntary union of provinces (biggest lie in history). You know, the only rights we have at the moment are rights we had to fight for. If it wasn't for poeple like René Lévèsque, we'd still not be allowed to preside companies, speak French in our own land or be anything more than cheap labour. Also, attmepts at trying to assimilate us is pretty much equivalent to attempt at cultural genocide.

The difference between us is simple. Language is culture. Our culture can be inflected from the importance of certain words. Also, French Canada is more left-winged than English Canada, and being in Canada itself is counterproductive for both us and the English who clearly have a different take on how a country should be governed.

Lol you think the rest of Canada thinks we civilized you? Thats like saying England civilized France, if we had "civilized Quebec" we wouldn't have two official languages. When Canada was formed they reconized that there were both English and French people here hence why we are biligual and reconize the English and French populations/cultures in our constitution.

Official recognition falls short considering that our constitution was made behind Quebec's back. It recognizes Quebec's culture as existent, but does nothing to help preserve it. Furthermore, got to Ontario, Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Newfoundland, and speak French. You will never obtain any semblance of services in French, nor will you generally be treated with respect. Honestly, even within Quebec, I've been assaulted by people for saying Thank you in French. Racism is very present, and you cannot deny it. I'd be "proud" to be a Canadian, if I could consider myself a Canadian, but Canada doesn't want me to be a Canadian. Also, our current Prime Minister has already stated that we, the French, are not Canadians. Official recognition is merely two words.

If you are jealous of Quebec's advances, and the fact that people must cater to us, man up. We got what we got because we spoke up and made demands. Do the same, put pressure.

Also, the so-called fall of the bloc was kind of Gilles Duceppe's fault for not answering questions when he was asked to. His campaign was catastrophic, and he and the idiotic Pauline Marois at the head of the Parti Québécois really pushed the cause for separation back. We need new blood. Also, people voted for the NDP because they wanted a strong opposition against Harper and the Bloc only gets seats in Quebec, so it can't mathematically be in power, not because they actually wanted the NDP. It was a contestation vote against the Conservatives, because Quebec feared what would happen to their rights under a prime minister that hails form the reform party, an extreme right-wing government bent on screwing Canada up. Honestly, how am I supposed to react to a government where the ministry of research is headed by a creationist? People here literally live in fear of a man who'd sent Ontario cops to beat up peaceful French Canadian protesters and lock them up with no reason to press charges (G8 incident). There was an enormous movement where everyone, including bloquists decided to unite under the orange flag to get rid of the conservatives. The plan failed, obviously.

And to show how different we are in ideology, The rest of Canada voted Harper almost unanimously, while we almost unanimously voted NDP to try and prevent Harper from getting a majority. That means that Canada can literally arbitrarily decide things for us without us even having a word. That also means we can lose our rights at any time, and there are people who wish for it. Thus separation is the only solution. Only when Quebec will be its own nation, will both Quebec AND Canada get what it wants. Our interests are just not the same. Stop listening to what the western news says about us, and stop going on hating us for actually doing what any man would do: Fight for one's own rights. You'd probably do the same if Canada was conquered by a foreign nation.

And to finish, we do not consider ourselves better than other nations, but we consider ourselves distinct.

Edit: The QC discussion should probably be closed, take it to PM if you want a healthy debate.

 

[*JuriHan*]

I called this a long time ago, and right now I've been downloading my favorite vids in anticipation for the great youtube gaming rapture.

I think the law is a tad harsh however I understand where they are coming from. With Youtube's money driven partner nonsense, there are these talentless, non-professional nobodies making actual money off of gaming content that they don't own by doing Let's Plays, and more often than not they only catch on because they were the first people to upload said gaming content. They are usually of **** quality featuring people who suck at the game and have a voice more grating than a Rhino getting a sledgehammer stuffed up it's ***. These people don't deserve ANYTHING bar a tally that some poor soul clicked on their video let alone making money off of something that isn't truly theirs.

I think the law should only apply to people making a buck off of gaming media, not anything else. Honestly I don't care though, Youtube is the armpit of the internet, and many people from the gaming community are the scum of the earth they're going to get what is coming to them.

 

[§witch]

The difference between us is simple. Language is culture. Our culture can be inflected from the importance of certain words. Also, French Canada is more left-winged than English Canada, and being in Canada itself is counterproductive for both us and the English who clearly have a different take on how a country should be governed.

Well this is ********. Because the maritimes are far more left-leaning than conservative Alberta, should both be considered distinct nations? Of course not. That's why we have provincial governments. Quebec separating would lead to every English speaker leaving the province.

If you are jealous of Quebec's advances, and the fact that people must cater to us, man up. We got what we got because we spoke up and made demands. Do the same, put pressure.

...What? Jealous?

People here literally live in fear of a man who'd sent Ontario cops to beat up peaceful French Canadian protesters and lock them up with no reason to press charges (G8 incident).

I'm starting to think you're delusional. There was police brutality for certain, but it wasn't about quebec, ****. And it's not like the protestors were even primarily french canadian.

And to show how different we are in ideology, The rest of Canada voted Harper almost unanimously, while we almost unanimously voted NDP to try and prevent Harper from getting a majority. That means that Canada can literally arbitrarily decide things for us without us even having a word.

I don't think you know what unanimous means. Harper got 40% of the vote and a majority of the seats. Canada certainly didn't unanimously vote for harper while quebec alone was against him.

That also means we can lose our rights at any time, and there are people who wish for it. Thus separation is the only solution. Only when Quebec will be its own nation, will both Quebec AND Canada get what it wants. Our interests are just not the same. Stop listening to what the western news says about us, and stop going on hating us for actually doing what any man would do: Fight for one's own rights. You'd probably do the same if Canada was conquered by a foreign nation.

Oh ****. Lose your rights at any time? We don't live in the DRC. You speak as if Quebec is united on the issue. It isn't. At least half of the population wants to remain Canadian. Western news? You know we live in a Western country right? Al-Jazeera isn't covering *****ing *******s in Quebec.

 

[Deleted member]

So how does this law work for not-amurrica?

 

[Alien Vision]

These monkeys are incompetent - I swear. Why are we always forwarding laws that benefit the ''higher people''? It's never something that actually needs to be fixed.

/Epicfail

 

[Vigilante]

On another note, the law only is for streaming copyrighted material, so normal gaming streams should not be affected.

Switch, take it to PMs. I'm done here, this is not the topic for that.

Just ending with:

This is the number of VALID voters per riding:

QC: 81,479
BC: 74,739
ON: 74,729
AB: 72,865

This is however the wight of voters per riding:

ON: 52,182
BC: 51,991
QC: 50,646
AB: 49,905

In other words, the strength of Quebec votes is weaker than it should be, so that is enough complaining out of you guys. You want something?Get off your high horse.

Also, the relative weight of Quebec being entirely against Conservatives save for three ridings pretty much doesn't leave much for the others. Atlantic majority also got 14 seats, while liberals lagged behind with 12 and NDP got 6. I hardly call that left-winged.... although it is more so than Alberta, I'll give you this much, but my argument still stands. Quebec is the only province which did not have most of its votes go to the conservatives..

On you saying: "Quebec separation would lead English Canadians to elave the province", seriously, it's like poeple saying "If this party is elected, I'm moving to Canada!" in the US. They say that, but they never really do. Not to mention that the separation plan is not a complete separation per se. It is planned to be an alliance. Quebec would become its own nation while continuing to use Canadian currency anc being close trading partners with Canada as well as military allies. The only difference would be the ability to legislate their own laws and their own constitution without ingerence from the federal goons. Also, there is no plan in the separation plan to treat the Englishmen as they have treated us in the past. They will retain their rights. While it is true that some older nationalists want to create some dumb French mecca, the new blood in nationalists understand that English Quebecois are quebecois, the same as us, and we would never dream of treating them unfairly. You are trusting what idiocy the feds are feeding you a little too much. Of course they want to stop us from separating, we got wood, metals and hydroelectricity.

Also, it is widely known that the referendum was full of foul play. Immigration had been upped like crazy and people were shipped to Quebec with a free turbo Visa on the demand that they vote no at the referendum. We "technically" won it but were forced to accept a tricked loss for the sake of the democratic system in place. I mean, sure, their trick was legal, but pretty underhanded.

ALso, for the police brutality bit, you touched the point that supports my argument. The majority was not French Canadian, yet, an enormous proportion of French Canadians were locked illegally in dirty cells for no reason,a nd then were kept longer than the English speakers. That strikes me as odd. Also, the attacking officers have been heard yelling racial slurs. and that was reported even by some morally-outstanding English Canadians, whom I have much respect for.

Also, by western news, I think you failed to understand that I was referring to western Canada, not western as in continent.

About losing our rights, I believe that the fact that Canada has been able to force us to adhere to a constitution we did not sign pretty much shows the extent of our freedom as a province.

Finally, yes, I am calling these people jealous. All I hear is complaints that Quebec is treated special, while the reason why it is so-called special is because it fought hard to get these rights, something any other province could achieve. I believe that showing anger at someone having something you don't is the very definition of jealousy.

Finally, I do consider that the news over there is fraught with propaganda. I was educated in both French and English, and even at University level, they still try to make us believe that René Lévèsque, a Quebec national hero was a terrorist in line with the FLQ, which doesn't add up considering he was condemning their actions.

But if they hate us so much, why keep us? Our resources is all. Well, this is the last time I respond to this, we have gone off-topic enough. If you want to continue this, PM me.

 

[§witch]

I'm done here

Clearly.

Most of the things you said just look like facts you're pulling out of your ***. Mostly french canadians were locked up? I have absolutely no idea where you even got that information. Canada doesn't hate quebec. It dislikes elitist separatists. Quebec isn't the Israel of Canada.

 

[Alien Vision]

Switch. Why is your picture so badass. Why can't that wizard be replaced by the people who run this country? .-.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

What does reported without amendment mean?

 

[El Nino]

Vigilante, Switch: As interesting as this drama is, it's in the wrong thread. I came here for little kids whining about policy changes affecting their youtube, not a deep-seated separatist conflict in totalitarian Canadia. If you want a public debate, start your own blog, or take it to PG/DH.

/amurrikan

 

[Meru.]

Yeah actually this. This country isn't perfect but (...) and we have the most freedom.

Wow. Well, consider reading the thread title and opening post again, and think again about your country having the most freedom.

It's quite funny you make such a statement in this thread.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

On another note, the law only is for streaming copyrighted material, so normal gaming streams should not be affected.

Videos of game contents are copyrighted material belonging to the company who owns the copyright of the game in question. It's like how if you take a video of a film, that's still copyrighted to the person who owns the film's copyright.

 

[Alien Vision]

Vigilante, Switch: I came here for little kids whining about policy changes affecting their youtube.

I wouldn't say ''little kids whining'' if they are actually backing up their opinions regarding another law that is only beneficial to the higher people - not a law that is actually trying to flourish this already god forsaken world for what it has become.
It's not like they are just throwing out ''They can't do thiz's'' ''Dats nawt fairz''.

Just my 0.02

 

[El Nino]

I wouldn't say ''little kids whining'' if they are actually backing up their opinions regarding another law that is only beneficial to the higher people - not a law that is actually trying to flourish this already god forsaken world for what it has become.
It's not like they are just throwing out ''They can't do thiz's'' ''Dats nawt fairz''.

Just my 0.02

I was just being cheeky. I agree with a lot of the people here (the ones actually discussing the topic that is). So I don't support this legislation, though I understand it from a business perspective. Imo, if someone uploads an entire movie online, you could call that copyright infringement, but I think special consideration should be given to allow for montages or the use of small clips.

Also, I think this law is intended to target film and TV shows, but the language it's written in makes it inclusive of games, almost accidentally. Video game companies actually benefit from streaming because it generates interest in their products, and games are not something that you consume simply by watching, unlike shows and movies.

 

[Alien Vision]

I was sure there was something behind the words you said. I have seen alot of your debates, and you know how to debate. Thats a given.

So this law that is being passed is misconstrued for more than what it really is?

Because I really don't want to lose the ability to hop on Youtube and listen to music at this level: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svW2KL-9KQI&feature=related .-.

Hopefully they make this law more cohesive to where it actually sounds logical. I understand about downloading an entire movie. Video games, music videos, music by itself; all sorts of benign bits and pieces that branch off a genuine source; sounds a bit ******** to me. Lol. I thought by actually putting up all these videos of gameplays, music videos, etc were encouraging a better fanbase. Thus, benefiting the overall source of it all. (I really need to broaden my vocabulary to cover these kind of topics..)

 

[El Nino]

I thought this article gave a good breakdown of the situation:
http://shoryuken.com/2011/06/29/trolling-the-stream-by-ultradavid/

Companies like Capcom are starting to understand how streaming or casting tournaments and match footage can be really positive for them, but they don’t know how to do it themselves, so they let us do it instead. But traditional film and television companies, who are the real drivers behind this bill, have even less of a clue. It seems natural to us that if we can watch a show on live TV we should be able to watch it live on our computers too, but that’s barely even on the radar for TV companies.

Regarding the last line about watching things on TV vs. watching it online, the reason why it's an issue for the TV companies is because of what they get paid for in advertising (I think).

So, it's still an issue of concern for gamers because if the law passes then the rest depends on how each game company chooses to handle it. Some might go after people for streaming; some might leave them alone.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Jurihan, please shut up now, you're making America look worse than it already does.

Also **** this bill, I need to leave this country.

 

[Tesh]

Its hard to imagine how empty youtube and jtv would be if this happened.

 

[*JuriHan*]

Yeah... if gaming gets pulled I'm sure other forms of media will be next in the future. Again, It's understandable. Many people are making money off of content that they don't own. I have no idea how music is still up with the KeepVid website, you can- well.... I shouldn't say because I think I could get infracted for that.....

A new era require new laws. I heard Nintendo DS sales took a hit because of the piracy going on with their games.

 

[Tesh]

So basically anything using copyrighted material would be punishable under this new set of laws? Even lifecasting with my TV on in the background?

 

[*JuriHan*]

I once had a video with scatman john playing in the background on the radio and I got hit with copyright so I had to remove it lol. I thought this law just was directed towards gaming, but what I'm saying I don't see how other media won't be on the next hit list.

 

[Firus]

Yeah... if gaming gets pulled I'm sure other forms of media will be next in the future. Again, It's understandable. Many people are making money off of content that they don't own. I have no idea how music is still up with the KeepVid website, you can- well.... I shouldn't say because I think I could get infracted for that.....

A new era require new laws. I heard Nintendo DS sales took a hit because of the piracy going on with their games.

EDIT: (Advance warning, might've gotten more passionate and angry than necessary in this post, lol. The idea of further limiting what can be put on YouTube, to the extent of preventing gameplay videos, just irks me and I don't see how it's justifiable. Don't take any evident anger too seriously.)

No, it really isn't understandable, actually. Last time I checked, the game companies made the game and what you can do in it; the game companies do not own what you, I, or anyone else do in the games. To argue that the game companies own what you do in the games is like saying that your parents are responsible for everything you do in life. Yes, they created you and without them you wouldn't be able to do what you do, but that doesn't mean they're out there doing everything you're doing.

(No, it's not a perfect comparison, but it should get the point across all the same.)

I mean, aren't you able to make money off of playing competitively in those games that aren't your own? If you're doing something with it and doing well, then I don't see why it's such a problem to make money off of it. Being able to see gameplay footage on YouTube is incredibly useful. At the very least, it's entertainment value; at the most, it can be incredibly informative, showing you how to do something or other.

As for music, I can understand why they don't want it up on YouTube because you can download it from there, but taking it away is stupid. I cannot even begin to count the number of times that has been useful to me, and when I say that, I mean in figuring out what music I do and don't want to buy. My music library would likely not be half of what it is if YouTube didn't exist for people to use to link me to songs or for me to research music personally. Music previews exist, except 75% of the time they're at exactly the wrong point in a song to find out if you like the song. There have also been a number of songs that I've heard and liked through a single music video on YouTube or something similar.

Yes, you might argue that they're probably losing more money in people downloading it from YouTube than those discovering music on YouTube (though I'm not sure that would be true), but the culture for illegally downloading music is so huge that if YouTube's removed, people will just get it somewhere else. Hell, illegally downloading music is so big that I have actually been *****ed at on multiple occasions because I actually do buy my music.

As for Nintendo DS sales taking a hit from piracy...

A) Last time I checked, the DS is still printing money anyway.
B) I don't think YouTube videos are helping people pirate DS games.

So I don't see how people pirating Nintendo DS games justifies a law which would needlessly limit freedom on YouTube.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Yeah... if gaming gets pulled I'm sure other forms of media will be next in the future. Again, It's understandable. Many people are making money off of content that they don't own. I have no idea how music is still up with the KeepVid website, you can- well.... I shouldn't say because I think I could get infracted for that.....

A new era require new laws. I heard Nintendo DS sales took a hit because of the piracy going on with their games.

If I buy a game from a company, I should be able to do whatever I want with it, because IT'S MY PROPERTY. The game company does not own the game, yes, they created it, but it belongs to me, because I bought it. That's like saying I can't film my house and put it on Youtube because someone else built it. It's my house.

Please explain the connection between piracy and videos being on Youtube, last time I checked those two were completely different issues. If you want to talk about piracy, do so in another thread.

Also music is a different concern, but **** the RIAA. All they give a **** about is money, which isn't what the music industry should be about. As an artist people should care more about getting exposure (which illegally downloading does) than making money. People will still buy the music, they always will. Even if profit is going down, if exposure is going up I don't see what the problem is. Artists are still making a hell of a lot more than 99% of the population.

EDIT: Hell, a lot of artists themselves support illegal downloading, it's their producers and the industry people who are worried about it. That's a problem.

 

[eschemat]

The game owners have intellectual property, so idk if the law gets shaky.

 

[Fuelbi]

Well I did my part. I emailed my congressman (well apparently FL has a congresswoman) and I sent in a complaint to this site that apparently sends it to the people at congress (not like they'd ever ready my submission but w/e ._.)

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

I am really amused at how many Dutch people have posted in this thread to laugh (in a good way).

I'm half Dutch. My dad, a reporter who was pretty famous in the 80s or something (not exactly sure what his deal was) once told me there is a Dutch expression that roughly translates to "American conditions" which refers to a wide rich/poor gap, poor healthcare, awful social systems, bad education and limited post-secondary education opportunities, near-plutocracy, etc.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

A Dutch expression about America?

http://translate.google.nl/#nl|en|Amerika zuigt

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

ramses you never use aim anymore

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I am tres sorry. I actually cleared my entire list and never bothered to re-add anyone. Ill add you tho

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Wow.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/disrupting-internet-access/

 

[Tesh]

Oh ****.

10 ****s