Elma for Smash Ultimate: Strength comes from experience. That’s true on any planet.

[shocktarts17]

It was sarcasm?! Oof...

but I am being serious when I say that the idea of Disney owning Nintendo makes me uncomfortable, and knowing Disney, they'd jump at the opportunity

Oh I don't exactly want Disney owning any more companies just because they're really starting to get a nice monopoly going but I hardly think Sora is going to be some chink in Nintendo's armor that Disney will just worm their way into.

If Disney ends up buying Nintendo (in some hypothetical future where that's possible) it will mean that Nintendo was struggling and I might just be happy that Disney saved them. It's not like Marvel or Lucas Films were in a great place when they got bought.

 

[Aeon_Shadow]

Sora would be the Trojan horse if that were to happen.

 

[Aeon_Shadow]

Oh I don't exactly want Disney owning any more companies just because they're really starting to get a nice monopoly going but I hardly think Sora is going to be some chink in Nintendo's armor that Disney will just worm their way into.

If Disney ends up buying Nintendo (in some hypothetical future where that's possible) it will mean that Nintendo was struggling and I might just be happy that Disney saved them. It's not like Marvel or Lucas Films were in a great place when they got bought.

What about 20th Century Fox? Were they in bad shape when Disney bought them too?

 

[shocktarts17]

What about 20th Century Fox? Were they in bad shape when Disney bought them too?

Not their news studios and sports stuff (you know all the stuff they kept) but their streaming service and movies were hardly raking in cash. And that is a different story because they specifically wanted to drop all that dead weight and focus on what was making them the most money.

 

[Jboy1010]

Oh no! Disney would only use their IPs to infiltrate other companies and end up buying them... we can’t let this happened. We’ve already lost SEGA, Epic Games and SE to them... oh wait

Yeah but Sora has no reason to be so slippery on the ground which is such an unusual trait to add the only reason they would do so is because it's a key part of the character.

You do realise that sora drifts along the ground a lot right? Also in fight scenes such as the one with Roxas he is slipping all over the place.

 

[HPMarratick]

My question about Sora is how much money would Nintnedo have to put out to get the rights for him? First they'd have to pay off Disney and square enix, then they'd have to pay royalties to Disney, which they are notorious for. Sora is probably too expensive to even consider for smash.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

My question about Sora is how much money would Nintnedo have to put out to get the rights for him? First they'd have to pay off Disney and square enix, then they'd have to pay royalties to Disney, which they are notorious for. Sora is probably too expensive to even consider for smash.

Especially when you consider the fact Final Fantasy also still only has two tracks cause the rest would have been even more expensive...it's not much of a stretch. Square is just an expensive company to work with

anyway, back to Elma

I'm also pretty sure that teaser dialogue in Xenoblade 2 when you unlock Elma as a Blade in challenge mode, can't amount to nothing either...Bandana Waddle Dee has something similar for Star Allies...

And I know Rodin's hint in the Switch version of Bayonetta 2 was alluding to him being an AT, but still. Shantae's still up in the air since I believe Spirits don't deconfirm.

 

[Calamitas]

Bravely Default has been one of those games I always meant to get around to but just never found the time. That said I started Persona 5 right before he got announced and I'm now pretty excited to see him.

Plus Erdrick isn't a lock yet, I still think it's going to be Slime.

Slime or Erdrick is about the same to me, really. . . I don't care either way. Like I said, I haven't purchased the Fighter's Pass yet, and as of right now, there's nothing encouraging me to do so.

It still pains me to hear that Sakurai is willing to pretty much apologize to XC2 fans at how Rex couldn't make it to the game (with a costume and some music tracks) yet XCX fans get jack squat. Then you have XC2 fans having the audacity to act like they were cheated as if they were owed Rex, ignoring that XCX fans have it worse.

And that's honestly one of the reasons why I'll never like 2. One of many, mind you.

 

[Bobthealligator]

As much as love Kingdom Hearts, I rather not have Sora here lest you give Disney an opening to take control of Nintendo later down the line like they did with Star Wars and Marvel.

I highly doubt this would happen. Disney also let Wreck It Ralph be in Sega All Stars Racing years ago and there are no signs of them taking any control over Sega properties. There is no reason why a guest character in a fighting game would lead to them taking over Nintendo, it's absurd.

 

[Bobthealligator]

In what way would Sora being in Smash be bad for Nintendo's future. Disney allow these sort of Cameos all the time, Wreck It Ralph in Sonic racing for example (If you want to go really high profile technically Iron Man in Spiderman Homecoming as that was not a Disney film). There is no way Disney would be stupid enough to ask for control over Nintendo in return or that Nintendo would be stupid enough to offer/accept it. And even in the miniscule chance that they did, what would Disney change? Nintendo and Disney have had almost exactly the same project plan for years. Nintendo have already published the two magical world games and they're publishing a marvel game this year so it's hardly new for them to work together. The whole idea that something otherwise would occur is entirely conjecture.
EDIT Sorry, I didn't realise this was a joke, I leave it here anyway just in case someone makes the same mistake I did.

 

[Jboy1010]

My question about Sora is how much money would Nintnedo have to put out to get the rights for him? First they'd have to pay off Disney and square enix, then they'd have to pay royalties to Disney, which they are notorious for. Sora is probably too expensive to even consider for smash.

This is false... Nintendo don’t have to pay SE a cent because it’s not their character or series they own, it’s Disney’s. Also why don’t you link a source in which Disney were extortionate in their prices, rather than relying on unsupported assumptions

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If Disney ends up buying Nintendo (in some hypothetical future where that's possible) it will mean that Nintendo was struggling and I might just be happy that Disney saved them. It's not like Marvel or Lucas Films were in a great place when they got bought.

At this rate I'd rather not Disney buy Nintendo. Look what they did to the Star Wars franchise. I dread to think what they'd do to Nintendo...

 

[shocktarts17]

You do realise that sora drifts along the ground a lot right? Also in fight scenes such as the one with Roxas he is slipping all over the place.

I just watched the Roxas fight again and at no point does he slip, if anything he is very sure footed not even sliding when being attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4yQioUhk9E

The only time I know of Sora "sliding" is when he is in Wisdom form, which is hardly a central enough aspect of Sora's character to make him always slide around.

anyway, back to Elma

I'm also pretty sure that teaser dialogue in Xenoblade 2 when you unlock Elma as a Blade in challenge mode, can't amount to nothing either...Bandana Waddle Dee has something similar for Star Allies...

And I know Rodin's hint in the Switch version of Bayonetta 2 was alluding to him being an AT, but still. Shantae's still up in the air since I believe Spirits don't deconfirm.

I don't know, I might have said so earlier but I really don't think it looks like they were talking about Smash here or they would have been in the base roster. I hope I'm wrong but I'm fairly confident spirits are a deconfirmation.

At this rate I'd rather not Disney buy Nintendo. Look what they did to the Star Wars franchise. I dread to think what they'd do to Nintendo...

Well Star Wars hadn't put out much of anything in the years leading up to their purchase, other that SWTOR the MMORPG they had only done LEGO or mobile games. And its not like they were making any movies. So while you may not like the Star Wars movies now the fact that we've had 4 new Star Wars movies in the past several years is better than the nothing we had before.

If Nintendo ever got to the point where they couldn't afford to put out new games or consoles I don't think I would be upset that Disney bought them to keep Nintendo making games and consoles.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

At this rate I'd rather not Disney buy Nintendo. Look what they did to the Star Wars franchise. I dread to think what they'd do to Nintendo...

You're not going to see any big western company buy out a big Japanese gaming company any time in this or the next generation. It will be a long time before that ever happens and if it does, I expect Microsoft to be the one buying out the big Japanese names in the industry if any western company is going to do so in the future. Which, really scares me now that I think about it. Imagine them owning Nintendo, Sony, Sega, Capcom, Konami, Namco-Bandai and the other big names, it would be very scary to see that after what they did to Rare.

 

[Calamitas]

I don't know, I might have said so earlier but I really don't think it looks like they were talking about Smash here or they would have been in the base roster. I hope I'm wrong but I'm fairly confident spirits are a deconfirmation.

Still not buying that. Spirits are a replacement for trophies, and those didn't stop anyone. Plus, with how last-minute the X Spirits all seem to be, it just seems very unlikely. This entire argument is just tiring and full of holes.

You're not going to see any big western company buy out a big Japanese gaming company any time in this or the next generation. It will be a long time before that ever happens and if it does, I expect Microsoft to be the one buying out the big Japanese names in the industry if any western company is going to do so in the future. Which, really scares me now that I think about it. Imagine them owning Nintendo, Sony, Sega, Capcom, Konami, Namco-Bandai and the other big names, it would be very scary to see that after what they did to Rare.

I mean, Microsoft owning Konami couldn't really make things much worse.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I mean, Microsoft owning Konami couldn't really make things much worse.

Lol! So true. Microsoft would probably make more use of Konami's IPs than themselves.

 

[GolisoPower]

So there’s an official Nintendo-held Smash tournament that was announced recently. Think anything new for the game will be announced there? I mean, announcements during tourneys isn’t that unheard of. Here’s the link:
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/events/

 

[shocktarts17]

Still not buying that. Spirits are a replacement for trophies, and those didn't stop anyone. Plus, with how last-minute the X Spirits all seem to be, it just seems very unlikely. This entire argument is just tiring and full of holes.

Ehh I think I've already said my piece about Spirits on the Elma thread so we can just agree to disagree and both hope I'm wrong.

 

[Jboy1010]

I just watched the Roxas fight again and at no point does he slip, if anything he is very sure footed not even sliding when being attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4yQioUhk9E

The only time I know of Sora "sliding" is when he is in Wisdom form, which is hardly a central enough aspect of Sora's character to make him always slide around.


I don't know, I might have said so earlier but I really don't think it looks like they were talking about Smash here or they would have been in the base roster. I hope I'm wrong but I'm fairly confident spirits are a deconfirmation.


Well Star Wars hadn't put out much of anything in the years leading up to their purchase, other that SWTOR the MMORPG they had only done LEGO or mobile games. And its not like they were making any movies. So while you may not like the Star Wars movies now the fact that we've had 4 new Star Wars movies in the past several years is better than the nothing we had before.

If Nintendo ever got to the point where they couldn't afford to put out new games or consoles I don't think I would be upset that Disney bought them to keep Nintendo making games and consoles.

Seems you need to rewatch the vid, because as soon as Sora gets his keyblade knocked out of his hands, he runs to it and comes to a sliding halt when Roxas puts his keyblade on it

 

[shocktarts17]

Seems you need to rewatch the vid, because as soon as Sora gets his keyblade knocked out of his hands, he runs to it and comes to a sliding halt when Roxas puts his keyblade on it

I guess, it hardly seems like much of a slide and if that is literally the only time he slides I'm not going to exactly put that as a win for Sora. The entire rest of the fight he is super surefooted and again other than his Wisdom form I just don't see him sliding around.

 

[Jboy1010]

I guess, it hardly seems like much of a slide and if that is literally the only time he slides I'm not going to exactly put that as a win for Sora. The entire rest of the fight he is super surefooted and again other than his Wisdom form I just don't see him sliding around.

There’s also the fact that his attacks also do incorporate sliding, which some of his movement abilities in KH2 incorporating a slide (like quick step). There’s also some of his basic combos in KH2 that’s incoporate lunges foward that end with a slide if you don’t follow through.

Also there are reaction commands of his that require him to slide (like reversal)

 

[shocktarts17]

There’s also the fact that his attacks also do incorporate sliding, which some of his movement abilities in KH2 incorporating a slide (like quick step). There’s also some of his basic combos in KH2 that’s incoporate lunges foward that end with a slide if you don’t follow through.

Also there are reaction commands of his that require him to slide (like reversal)

but he doesn't just slide around when he is moving which is what we're talking about. Kirby has a very central "slide" attack that is in every game and yet he doesn't do the low traction slide thing that Brave does. Even our girl Elma has a very central "Sliding Slinger" attack but no one would expect her to slide around just while walking (to bring this back on topic a bit).

We're not talking about just sliding some times, we're talking actually having low traction like Luigi who in his games also has low traction. Sora does not fit with that, neither does Geno or Erdrick if you ask me. That's why I think we're getting Slime.

 

[Jboy1010]

but he doesn't just slide around when he is moving which is what we're talking about. Kirby has a very central "slide" attack that is in every game and yet he doesn't do the low traction slide thing that Brave does. Even our girl Elma has a very central "Sliding Slinger" attack but no one would expect her to slide around just while walking (to bring this back on topic a bit).

We're not talking about just sliding some times, we're talking actually having low traction like Luigi who in his games also has low traction. Sora does not fit with that, neither does Geno or Erdrick if you ask me. That's why I think we're getting Slime.

Luigi barely displays any sort of traction in most Mario games he’s in. He’s usually the one that jumps higher or trips a lot. Nothing else... just isn’t true

Also Sliding is a common trait in Nimble characters, and guess what Sora is... Nimble, he’s always to shown to be nimble and acrobatic in the games he appears in, his strength in his movement is that he keeps momentum in the games he’s in.

 

[Flyboy]

Scenes when the Tracer/Leon/Sol Badguy leak was real all along

 

[shocktarts17]

Luigi barely displays any sort of traction in most Mario games he’s in. He’s usually the one that jumps higher or trips a lot. Nothing else... just isn’t true

Also Sliding is a common trait in Nimble characters, and guess what Sora is... Nimble, he’s always to shown to be nimble and acrobatic in the games he appears in, his strength in his movement is that he keeps momentum in the games he’s in.

Yeah Luigi has had low traction since Super Mario 2 and in every Smash game before Ultimate has had the worst traction of the entire cast so I have no idea where you're getting that he doesn't.

But I'm not going to convince you it isn't Sora and this is the Elma thread so I'll just drop it.

 

[Jboy1010]

Yeah Luigi has had low traction since Super Mario 2 and in every Smash game before Ultimate has had the worst traction of the entire cast so I have no idea where you're getting that he doesn't.

But I'm not going to convince you it isn't Sora and this is the Elma thread so I'll just drop it.

So a single game and smash games in which his series isn’t even the main focus... ok then. Bout as much as Sora but ok.

Also btw... looked at some rocket slime trailers. Slime seems to be a bouncer more than a slider

 

[shocktarts17]

So a single game and smash games in which his series isn’t even the main focus... ok then. Bout as much as Sora but ok.

Also btw... looked at some rocket slime trailers. Slime seems to be a bouncer more than a slider

"Luigi has had low traction SINCE Super Mario 2"

I made it really easy to read for you. Its not just one game, its over half of his main appearances.

EDIT: Look if you want to continue this direct message me, I'm done talking about Sora in the Elma thread.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yeah, I suggest we stick to Elma discussion from here on out, and if any side discussion gets too tangential take it to either the character’s thread or a PM.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, I suggest we stick to Elma discussion from here on out, and if any side discussion gets too tangential take it to either the character’s thread or a PM.

*puts paper explaining why urbosa is 100% guaranteed dlc down in shame*

 

[shocktarts17]

Yeah, I suggest we stick to Elma discussion from here on out, and if any side discussion gets too tangential take it to either the character’s thread or a PM.

Yeah sorry sometimes I let my love of debate get in the way of my better judgement.

It also doesn't help that I spend so much time here I forget which thread I'm in at times...

 

[RawstyleEevee]

It still pains me to hear that Sakurai is willing to pretty much apologize to XC2 fans at how Rex couldn't make it to the game (with a costume and some music tracks) yet XCX fans get jack squat. Then you have XC2 fans having the audacity to act like they were cheated as if they were owed Rex, ignoring that XCX fans have it worse.

Most XB2 fans where banking on Rex & Pyra as DLC though and those "entiteled" ones just don't know how Smash speculation in general works. If Rex & Pyra were going to be in at base, they had to be a Greninja/Incineroar situation in that Sakurai had to reserve a slot for Xenoblade in 2015, because Sakurai always decides his rosters early on, but expecting them for DLC was fair game imo, but Rex most likely being deconfirmed was a major surprise in general and imo a blow for DLC speculation, because it looks like it will be 3rd party only and that does rub people the wrong way offcourse.

I do 100% agree that X fans need an explanation though, because know with the knowledge that Decidueye(who was the Gen 7 mon most people banked on in the first place) was planned, but scrapped for Incineroar, it proofs that Sakurai did look at the time window Elma was super relevant in, but at this point its clear something is up with X in general, because if XB2 was to late for the baseroster, you would have threated it like the Lets Go spirits or saved it for DLC, and not go through so much lengths in including the spirits over the X ones in World of Light, add music and Mii Costumes.

Elma also not being popular is not a valid argument either, because Balot wise no character could get close to Ridley, K.rool and cut veterans because these characters are on a leauge of their own because their support came from backslash from fans that they where cut in the first place and Ridley & K.rool had dedicated support since the conception of Smash really. But Elma forfilled another niché Sakurai looks at and that are characters he chooses based on a unique gameplay they bring on the table that makes that characters stand out on the roster, (Zelda/Sheik in Melee, Pokemon Trainer in Brawl or Rosalina in Smash 4), but what Elma got was a last minute spirit inclusion, while honestly the XB2 spirits should have been the last minute ones.

So yeah the TL.DR version is at this point we need real explanation on X in general, because if its supposed to be a standalone game (even though it shouldn't), be honest with your fanbase Monolith.

 

[shocktarts17]

So here's a thought, so if I was on the spirit team and I didn't know anything about the Xenoblade series, wouldn't it be an easy mistake to assume XCX is a spin-off and that XC and XC2 would be the main games? So maybe it originally got overlooked because it wasn't "mainline" and had to be added in later once they realized the mistake? I mean there are other spin-off games who didn't really have a presence in Spirits either so it could have been an intentional decision to avoid them that hurt XCX's spirits at first.

Just a thought, or they could just hate XCX.

 

[RawstyleEevee]

So here's a thought, so if I was on the spirit team and I didn't know anything about the Xenoblade series, wouldn't it be an easy mistake to assume XCX is a spin-off and that XC and XC2 would be the main games? So maybe it originally got overlooked because it wasn't "mainline" and had to be added in later once they realized the mistake? I mean there are other spin-off games who didn't really have a presence in Spirits either so it could have been an intentional decision to avoid them that hurt XCX's spirits at first.

Just a thought, or they could just hate XCX.

The problem is X spirits are one of the only ones that lack an hidden file that quotes the source game while real flops like Code Name Steam and Federation Force gets this priviledge.

 

[shocktarts17]

The problem is X spirits are one of the only ones that lack an hidden file that quotes the source game while real flops like Code Name Steam and Federation Force gets this priviledge.

Well yep that does put a pretty big hole in my theory lol

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Okay, so someone on the Rex thread thinks that Shulk might get cut next game just because the timing for including XB series characters would be so poor that it's not worth it by the time there's an XB3.

What.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

AaaaaaaAAAAA

GUYS

PRETTY SOON IMMA FIGHT ELMA’S BATTLE IN XENOBLADE 2

I’m so excited aaaaa

wish me luck!!

 

[HPMarratick]

So we're getting a nindies tomorrow hosted by NoE. Its gonna start around 9 am est. This makes it interesting since we probably wont have an direct until February then.

 

[chocolatejr9]

So we're getting a nindies tomorrow hosted by NoE. Its gonna start around 9 am est. This makes it interesting since we probably wont have an direct until February then.

Should I play a sad little tune on the world's smallest violin?

 

[HPMarratick]

Should I play a sad little tune on the world's smallest violin?

Oh my god this is so sad, Alexa play so nah so fern.

 

[Deleted member]

AaaaaaaAAAAA

GUYS

PRETTY SOON IMMA FIGHT ELMA’S BATTLE IN XENOBLADE 2

I’m so excited aaaaa

wish me luck!!

Hint: use Zeke and Corvin lol

Or at least any eva units

You can't really facetank her stuff or critheal through everything bc of her stupid-ass driver combos

(Still love that fight though)