Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[Aggressive Mediation]

@MOD: Request Dark Horse modkill

Don't be a ****ing asshole.

 

[Kantrip]

Whoa there.

I wasn't entirely serious. Lighten up, it's not like he'll actually grant the request.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Kantrip, where's that question you wanted us to answer? We'll get to it in a second.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

I'm a bit tired. Would like you to work with me a bit and actually get to my questions though. That would help.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

typing one-handed is a ***** fwiw

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I'm a bit tired. Would like you to work with me a bit and actually get to my questions though. That would help.

just answer this last one and we'll put our cards on the table. yours is what i need to wait on, not gheb's.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

He gave me a line up, but not a full reads list with reasoning. Now you. (And we talked)

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@FF: Talk to me about AM's confirmation of Sword's power. Is it legit? If so, why did Sword target AM?

I like how you worded the RR read. Really curious to see what you have to say about my slot, that's the read of yours that could use the most expanding, in my opinion.

@Sword: Comment on FF after those reads, please

It's a null post imo. I could see either town or scum making that post. Like, the multiple null reads are fair given the state of the game but are also good for a scum FF because it allows for a lot of room to wiggle. The content is surface level and needs to be more detailed, which FF said he'll be doing, so I await that. FF especially needs to go into more detail on AM, me, and (hopefully soon) you. As far as I know right now, the only reason I'm a scum lean to is because he doesn't like my attack on him, which is just like >.> considering all the reasons there are to dislike me.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Our direction sucks a great big bag of *****. So let's get to the bottom of them, shall we?
Right now, Gheb is our biggest question mark; however, we'll get to him at the bottom. He will take the most explanation, so we'll get the others out of the way first.

The rest are slim pickings.

First things first, you will not get Swords over our dead body. He has a role which, I suppose, could feasibly fit onto a scum team; however, he used it on us N1 and it would not exist on a scumteam with PJB's claimed ability present. The redundancy would be far too high.

JTB. The pick of the inactive litter. He's null because he legitimately has not done anything. It's a 100% shot in the dark. If I wanna lynch an inactive for being scummy, it would be Hando, Dark Horse, FrozenFlame.

Hando is only slightly better as he gave us opinions on D1 but Nabe is replacing him. I don't want to touch the slot. If you want to hit a slightly-null inactive, get JTB.

Dark Horse is the supporty background player. He has scummy instances but he also had a presence on the PJB wagon.

FF. Actually the scummiest inactive. His posts don;t give any substance sans his readlist. To his credit, he is probably the most contributing inactive outside of Dark Horse.

Outside of this, no one else is on the table. We won't be lynching any of them short of some miracle.

Now for the Gheb enigma. I do not like him one bit right now. You mark my words, his claim is hella fishy. He gains an ability as well as a qt. His ability takes place on N1 but he didn't have to use it. If he knew he didn't have to use it, why would stuck-up Gheb do it? Why in the world, who considers everyone else to be tools, put his own overpriced hide at risk unnecessarily? There's something else at play they have not told us. You mark my words.

Past that, he wanted to lynch Swords without a claim and got shut down. When Swords claim turned out to be one of the protectives who targeted us last night, he did not analyze rthat in the slightest. His MO has been to disregard that completely. I maintain that it's incredibly scummy that he comes in and professes to know PJB claimed God's honest truth. Then he refuses to take that into account when looking at Swords' claim, despite that being pointed out to him. He'd rather just ignore it (does no one else find this fishy?).

I can see hitting ally. I can even see that weird argument between ran and rake being true. I cannot see Gheb as any alignment hitting ally when that decision was made.

I don't think Foxy is scum unless both are scum, so I have no reason to pursue that. That's why I want more out of Gheb. That's why I want his readlist, details on how he's interacted in the neighborhood, and anything he's kept hiddem from us. There's something there. I can feel it.

I don't like our options there. This deserves more investigation at least before the day's end.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Foxy, can you give us details on how your private communication has gone down?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

EBWOP: I can see Foxy hitting ally.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

First things first, you will not get Swords over our dead body. He has a role which, I suppose, could feasibly fit onto a scum team; however, he used it on us N1 and it would not exist on a scumteam with PJB's claimed ability present. The redundancy would be far too high.

You guys . . . doing anything tonight? You wanta go out or something?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Thing is you really couldn't have 'known' that about gheb without my soft claim. You were pushing for gheb and then you were like "Why is foxy not pushing him with me". That's the only thing I can think that you were thinking when you said "Ok gheb I discovered it, we know you are in a neighborhood".

I am not convinced on your reasoning for not lynching swords.

Also the qt is pretty active. Usually with alot of my posts as usual, with some of Rakes and Ghebs. I think of things and I ask Gheb what he thinks. Etc. I also don't see the merit of you asking why gheb would do that, as if it takes meta alone to read him. Ask him yourself.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

I'm also not for lynching DH. He's fine to me.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Gheb mentioned he knew at least one other role and that they were not indicative of alignment. The only way he could do that was private communication or role cop. Role cop is indicative of SCUM alignment and masons are indicative of town. That only left neighborhood. Alex remembered your soft claim which put a face to the name.

You're not convinced of my reasoning for not lynching Swords because you're either working toward the same objective as Gheb or you're eating of his hand. Do you think PJB was telling the truth?

I think I already asked him why in the world a townie (but especially Gheb) would ever, EVER hit ally and got ignored. But past that, it's not like you can read Sworddancer based on examining his actions and claims alone and comparing them to what you think they will do in the situation. Ask him yourself. If he says he's town, why don't we leave him alone? Herp duh derp.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

AM is very convincingly town.

AM I agree with everything you've just said, but I'm not too sure on Gheb. I was just starting to town read him, so he might need to be my next ISO.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I'm also not for lynching DH. He's fine to me.

I'm not for lynching Dark Horse or Hando/Nabe. I was pointing that out. I'm also obviously not down for lynching Sword. I was mentioning those three in examination of our options.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

You're not convinced of my reasoning for not lynching Swords because you're either working toward the same objective as Gheb or you're eating of his hand. Do you think PJB was telling the truth?

I don't see how I'm eating out of his hand when I already had the stance before we became neighbors. Eating out of his hand was agreeing with him on his case on Ryu in Earthbound. But not here, I came up with that on my own and he agrees. Telling the truth about what?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

I'm not for lynching Dark Horse or Hando/Nabe. I was pointing that out. I'm also obviously not down for lynching Sword. I was mentioning those three in examination of our options.

Then don't be on the wagon. I see you mean to say you are fine with a JTB compromise. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yet, it's too easy and I'm not willing to give up yet.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

You became neighbors AFTER that information came to light? Hold up.

When did it happen? I didn't have reasons not to lynch Sworddancer until after Sworddancer claimed aside from standard don't force a lynch without a claim and be wary if people try to. If you didn't become neighbors until after I confirmed his claim, then someone's been lying. If you became neighbors last night, then you apparently haven't even analyzed why you are still on that wagon.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Then don't be on the wagon. I see you mean to say you are fine with a JTB compromise. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yet, it's too easy and I'm not willing to give up yet.

I don't want JTB. All these options are ass.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Yesterday, D1. I think I already had the idea of Swordsscum before becoming neighbors at the start of D2.

Oh. Options. Well tell me what you think of Ryu and Badwolf then.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Town and town enough.




Let me put it this way. You are not defeating my points and the fact that you haven't tried means that you have not analyzed why you are on the wagon or you are eating out of Gheb's hand.

You have to explain why Sword is scum, why his role is not indicative of alignment, how it makes sense to put on a scum team next to PJB, and why Sword used it on us Night 1. You don't have the power to push this through over that JTB compromise without doing so and I will gladly let it fall to JTB over Sworddancer if those are my only options.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

RE: Badwolf

He says some ridiculously scummy things but that could easily be just because he's bad. He's a complete crap shoot, but he can live for now because he's not dangerous. He will almost certainly be sorted out through further information or night phase events. Town enough to not be worth a lynch in any case.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

You are really making me work, eh?

I'll accept the request, but will do it tomorrow.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Half of this hydra is going to bed soon. If I disappear for the night, Gheb, I want that read list.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

RE: Badwolf

He says some ridiculously scummy things but that could easily be just because he's bad. He's a complete crap shoot, but he can live for now because he's not dangerous. He will almost certainly be sorted out through further information or night phase events. Town enough to not be worth a lynch in any case.

Good thing you elaborated, was going to ask about this.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

You are really making me work, eh?

I'll accept the request, but will do it tomorrow.

It wasn't a request. It was a commentary on how it can't be done.

I wish you the best of luck though, but look at it with an open mind rather than stretching the events to fit the scenario you want to find.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Good thing you elaborated, was going to ask about this.

I realized it didn't actually say anything.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

You wanna know who I think looks grimy here? I am not sure that anyone is. Ruy's play today has been absolutely disgusting. Your play has thrown up multiple red flags. BadWolf is ****ing impossible to read and I am getting closer and closer to scum over dumb every time he posts. With all that, Sworddancer still looks like a good lynch. I expected to come in and find multiple shady inactives and at least one active scum on that wagon because of the position it was in. At the moment, I think it's the right direction. Kantrip was correct on this push, but we will not be lynching him without a claim and he will not be claiming until I've heard a stance on him, in-depth and well-explained, from DH, FF, Handorin, JTB, and BadWolf. Capisce?

The underlined and bold still leave an empty feeling in my stomach.

You say you have Ryu as town, but how does that go along with what you said here in the underlined?

You also never stated why I have been throwing up red flags.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I have a post on my clipboard. First can you tell me what that "empty feeling in your stomach" is supposed to mean? That's a hell of a noncommittal stance.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

It means that both are things I still want from you that you have not delivered. It's not a stance. That's what the 'empty' feeling is supposed to be. I'm empty and you need to fill me with... food. So take me out and you pay.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I mean, I get everyone wants to go out with us because we're so zetta sexy but none of you digits even come close to my standards.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I am not in the market for a date with you or Swords. The only lady I love is the cruel mistress that is mathematics.


You make much more sense because you're playing this game with Gheb. Now I just think you're a tool.

Ruy looked balls awful with constantly pulling attention away from something worthwhile to look at his "gambit" until the point where he got a semi-claim and was eventually called out on it. Since then, he's been the driving force in keeping a mislynch from happening until I could get here and put it to rest. He's also stopped talking about his gambit without giving anything in return and shown that he's analyzing the things going on around him.

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip, where's that question you wanted us to answer? We'll get to it in a second.

1. Do you know if Sword's role is as he claimed it, or just that it's a protective of the water element?
2. Is there a possibility the ability was an alternate form of protect (ie jail)?
3. You said you know with certainty there is another protective in the game. In addition to the one that targeted you?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

1. Do you know if Sword's role is as he claimed it, or just that it's a protective of the water element?

We just know the latter. We don't know the full extent but we do know the latter is true and that he targeted us.

2. Is there a possibility the ability was an alternate form of protect (ie jail)?

I'll say it's not a straightforward protect and it's one of two protective roles that targeted us last night.

3. You said you know with certainty there is another protective in the game. In addition to the one that targeted you?

Indeed.

 

[Kantrip]

Kay my doubts of AM are going away again. I also feel better about Sword.

Unvote

It's between JTB and FF for me.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

I am not in the market for a date with you or Swords. The only lady I love is the cruel mistress that is mathematics.


You make much more sense because you're playing this game with Gheb. Now I just think you're a tool.

Ruy looked balls awful with constantly pulling attention away from something worthwhile to look at his "gambit" until the point where he got a semi-claim and was eventually called out on it. Since then, he's been the driving force in keeping a mislynch from happening until I could get here and put it to rest. He's also stopped talking about his gambit without giving anything in return and shown that he's analyzing the things going on around him.

Why do you think I'm being a tool? Also why would this matter at the time you said that I gave up red flags, as you did not know that I was neighbors with Gheb. (Maybe with someone, but you didn't know who)

Underlined, so does the rest of his play ToDay make up for this? I mean, with the rest of his play, how does this make you re-evaluate his original actions?

 

[Kantrip]

Hold up.

Hmm. We should mass-claim toMorrow. Things are weird.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Kay my doubts of AM are going away again. I also feel better about Sword.

Unvote

It's between JTB and FF for me.

Can you tell me why exactly your doubts are going away, and why you feel better about Swords? Thanks.