Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

You are distracting from the important thing, Swords, and who you think is a better lynch if he isn't the one.
Stop stalling. You can get back to this later. Unless you are trying to read Gheb or his neighbor.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That gambit was dumb and you know it. It's pretty bad when everyone recognizes it is one (except for me because I'm bad and haven't played in ages).

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Foxy, shut up.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I like this question. AM, instead of asking me, how about you present something? Also, why did you ask me? Are you unsure? What is your read on Swords now along with the claim.

Look, we will get to you soon, but we are currently working this out. I promise you we will get back to all of this, but in due time. Right now, I want to hear from Gheb and I want to hear from Dark Horse, who has unfortunately disappeared. I also would like to hear from FF if he is around by some miracle but I am not holding my breath. Don't fret, Ran. We're coming.

 

[Gova]

1. Handorin ()
2. BadWolf28738 ()
3. Aggressive Mediation ()
4. Dark Horse ()
5. Gheb_01 ()
6. JTB ()
7. frozenflame751 (SWord)
8. Potassium ()
9. Sworddancer. (K, Gheb, DH, BW)
10. Red Ruy ()
12. Foxy the Silver Fox(JTB)

Not voting: Handorin, AM, FF, Foxy, AM

With 11 playing it takes 6 lynch!

Deadline is Monday, June 10th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Fine then. >_>

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay I went back to reread RR's gambit Foxy and I have only one problem with it. That is, I am curious as to why RR thought that he had to gambit at that point in time to gain reads. Day 1 yeilded plenty of material, there's no need to gambit and RR KNOWS that we know it's in his meta to gambit.

That said, RR has been primarly focused on getting people to comment on his gambits/other people so I do believe that's his actual intention. Furthermore, I guess I can buy his explanation for why he gambitted on Foxy in his 954, despite the fact that I thought Foxy was fairly obvious town going into the Night. It's weird to think that a scum RR would fake a gambit just to justify a read town read on Foxy when he didn't have to.

And before anyone saids that I'm "waffling" because of my first paragaph, I'm saying that I overall get town vibes out of it. Final.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

You are distracting from the important thing, Swords, and who you think is a better lynch if he isn't the one.
Stop stalling. You can get back to this later. Unless you are trying to read Gheb or his neighbor.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

[quote="Sworddancer., post: 15559545, member: 143169"]Okay I went back to reread RR's gambit Foxy and I have only one problem with it. That is, I am curious as to why RR thought that he had to gambit at that point in time to gain reads. Day 1 yeilded plenty of material, there's no need to gambit and RR KNOWS that we know it's in his meta to gambit.

That said, RR has been primarly focused on getting people to comment on his gambits/other people so I do believe that's his actual intention. Furthermore, I guess I can buy his explanation for why he gambitted on Foxy in his 954, despite the fact that I thought Foxy was fairly obvious town going into the Night. It's weird to think that a scum RR would fake a gambit just to justify a read town read on Foxy when he didn't have to.

And before anyone saids that I'm "waffling" because of my first paragaph, I'm saying that I overall get town vibes out of it. Final.[/quote]

Because Ran rarely rolls scum if at all.

I do not think he would react in a collected manor if I pushed him and got pressure.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

And thus I was mega ninja'd.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

If both choose to betray ... nothing happens.
If one betrays and the other allies ... the one who allies will die.
If both choose to ally ... they will play as neighbors from then on.

Tell me why a scumbag would choose anything other than "betray". There is literally no downside for him in doing so. In fact, I doubt Gova would've even added this mechanic were a scumbag involved as it would hardly make any sense.

For exactly the reason that you stated. No scumbag would do that. What can a scumbag do with a townie who is completely convinced that they are, in fact, town.



When did this take place and is this the extent of both of your roles?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

This is getting somewhere. This is really good.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

When did this take place and is this the extent of both of your roles?

Don't blue ball me here.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

If I don't respond immediately, I'll be back in 20.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Sworddancer

- Do you realize that your attacks against me / Kantrip and your initially indirect defenses of PJB look very unfavorable on you right now? How are you going to defend yourself?
- Do you agree that the way JTB jumped on the PJB wagon and the fact that he ended up voting nobody is good enough a reason to lynch him toDay? If not, what could his pro-town intentions be?
- Do you realize that your reasoning for attacking frozen over JTB is not intellegible to ... just about anybody? Are you going to do something about that or just let your pushes go nowhere, like yesterDay? Do you understand that this looks like you're deflecting suspicion from one slot to another for no reason? What conclusion would you draw from that if it were a different player than you?
- How are you going to justify not having had a vote dropped at the end of yesterDay? Why shouldn't I hold the fact that your pushes and wagon attempts have gone nowhere against you?
- If you were not yourself, would you agree that the facts and connections seem to point towards a PJB - Sworddancer - JTB scumteam at the moment?
- If you're actually serious about Frozen being the play, who could you imagine being the 3rd scumbag in the mix [I'm assuming a 3-man team]?
- You're known to be a player who prefers to be town over scum. Can you see where I'm coming from when I say that your play does not match your town meta? Your play is pretty weak and that's not something I'd ever say about towndancer. Why is this game the exception to the rule and not just you being scumdancer this time around?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Just to make it clear.
I (rake) don't trust gheb nearly as much as ran suggested.
Just like swiss in Gs im still reading gheb using both contexts an figuring out my feels

 

[~ Gheb ~]

For exactly the reason that you stated. No scumbag would do that. What can a scumbag do with a townie who is completely convinced that they are, in fact, town.

If the scumbag chooses to ally the other player he'd run the risk of dying by being betrayed. Add that to the fact that one of his scummates has already been lynched Day 1 and you have a scenario that is unlikely enough to be rightfully able to be called unrealistic. A scumbag would NOT have chosen to not betray the other player.

When did this take place and is this the extent of both of your roles?

Night 1 and I don't know.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Sworddancer

- Do you realize that your attacks against me / Kantrip and your initially indirect defenses of PJB look very unfavorable on you right now? How are you going to defend yourself?
- Do you agree that the way JTB jumped on the PJB wagon and the fact that he ended up voting nobody is good enough a reason to lynch him toDay? If not, what could his pro-town intentions be?
- Do you realize that your reasoning for attacking frozen over JTB is not intellegible to ... just about anybody? Are you going to do something about that or just let your pushes go nowhere, like yesterDay? Do you understand that this looks like you're deflecting suspicion from one slot to another for no reason? What conclusion would you draw from that if it were a different player than you?
- How are you going to justify not having had a vote dropped at the end of yesterDay? Why shouldn't I hold the fact that your pushes and wagon attempts have gone nowhere against you?
- If you were not yourself, would you agree that the facts and connections seem to point towards a PJB - Sworddancer - JTB scumteam at the moment?
- If you're actually serious about Frozen being the play, who could you imagine being the 3rd scumbag in the mix [I'm assuming a 3-man team]?
- You're known to be a player who prefers to be town over scum. Can you see where I'm coming from when I say that your play does not match your town meta? Your play is pretty weak and that's not something I'd ever say about towndancer. Why is this game the exception to the rule and not just you being scumdancer this time around?

If somebody else was in your position would you agree that a claim is not enough to make all these arguments gone and forgotten?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Factually upon neighboring we gained another ability.

Id assume that we have reached the extent of our roles

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Okay, did Gheb?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I did.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Okay, got it. Not gonna find more.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Ok now me.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Wait you said you want to hear from others... W/e. I'mma play some GG2 and come back to this.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Scratch that, two more things:
1. Did you know you were being pressed with this decision going into N1? could you delay it?
2. Did you know you were getting an action from a successful neighborizing?

Now I;m done.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

1.) My role PM doesn't say I have to use it
2.) Nope

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Why in the world would any townie pull the trigger on Night 1 without any knowledge? Let alone to take a huge risk and send in "ally"?

ran pls answer

ran

ran pls

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

So I probably should have realized that posting something while I was in the hallways at school probably wasn't a good idea.

Do your own homework. I want to see your conclusions, not whatever I spoon feed you.

Nothing so far that has been revealed about SD directly refers to him being town. There's stuff that confirms his role, yes, but nothing yet that confirms his actual alignment. Combined with his damning play today and yesterday, and you've got a reason for why his claim should not give him a free pass.

 

[Kantrip]

And this is exactly the reason I wanted a claim.

I can confirm (unless there is another water element that wants to counterclaim him and should if they exist) that I was targeted with a protective role in the vein of what he has claimed. I can also confirm that there is another protective role in this game. These two statements I make with exceeding confidence in their accuracy.

Now, I ask you Foxy, what should we do with the information I have provided.

Interesting. Hmmm...

 

[Kantrip]

Oh man, crazy stuff.

Ryker, do you know the exact details of the power Sworddancer used on you? Can you confirm it wasn't, for example, a jail or some other form of protect?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Why in the world would any townie pull the trigger on Night 1 without any knowledge? Let alone to take a huge risk and send in "ally"?

ran pls answer

ran

ran pls

Because Ran argued with me, then ninja'd me to sending in our action.
I felt like the opposite to our role would be a scum one(yes wifomy i know) and betraying meant that if i was right, we'd live because, if i were scum, i'd betray all night long.

I didn't mind using it n1 since I figure later on we're going to be a kill target anyhow. But personally I wanted to betray, just to be safe.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Why in the world would any townie pull the trigger on Night 1 without any knowledge? Let alone to take a huge risk and send in "ally"?

ran pls answer

ran

ran pls

Paranoia. Or because they think it's like a vig. (Rake) But usually most townies would save it because they have the confidence to read the person they get neighbored with, and it would be funner.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Although I don't know why you ask me. I'm not relying on the ally thing to read Gheb you know.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

I allied, meaning I risked dying yes. Yet I didn't want to betray. That is the big thing there. I don't want to lose a possible townie on the chance we were wrong if we betrayed. (And the pool is larger then scum, so I felt it would be safer to ally) Even if it meant myself dying.

I also just wanted to ally because I wanted a neighbor. My fave role. (Well any partner role is my fave as long as I get to communicate)

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Look, we will get to you soon, but we are currently working this out. I promise you we will get back to all of this, but in due time. Right now, I want to hear from Gheb and I want to hear from Dark Horse, who has unfortunately disappeared. I also would like to hear from FF if he is around by some miracle but I am not holding my breath. Don't fret, Ran. We're coming.

Are you done now? DH came in and said some stuff, and you are right, you shouldn't hold your breath with FF. I still have questions of you, I still need to read you. It's not a one way street here.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

I mean, what's the purpose in continuing this? Now you want to know why I would ally? What's the purpose of you asking that?

If you have a problem with my slot, state it outright. You STILL haven't delivered that to me. I'm becoming irritable.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Anyways, here is what I think. I think Swords hasn't really been trying hard enough to find scum. All I can recall from him is his analysis of who fits best as scum with PJB.

I still think he's scum. So we should lynch him. Regardless of role, he still has alot of scumminess along with him. He should not be spared even with his role. He must be smitten.

I don't see why AM is really convinced by Sword's role.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

It's a rare day, that I get outposted by my hydra mate.

Ryu: How do you feel about swinging to JTB ?

Not sure i'm 100% comfortable with Swords yet. Remind me to be wary of how FF9 went when Ryker claimed the worst possibly cop inno on obv scum Kantplay later.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Lol it's fun not having to carry the hydra, right?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Nah Rake. I'm pretty confident in Swords right now. Talk to me on skype real quick.