Nygma
Smash Cadet
Doc King-No offense dude but you know nothing about this game if you put Marth at like 11th or whatever.
Stop posting for a while and read up.
Stop posting for a while and read up.
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Edge-Guarding Tier List?
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Lordydennek
Smash Ace
gm jack
Smash Lord
Marth Fsmashing anyone missing the sweet spot on the recovery and edge hogging makes life hell for a lot of recoveries as it is, let alone his offstage game.
Geist
Smash Master
Doc King, I know you're trying to help and all (I'll give you the benifit of the doubt anyways), and that's fine and dandy.
But please realize that false speculations and wrong information is actually more detrimental than no input at all. It's cool that you want to get your voice heard and help out, but do yourself a favor and help yourself first by making sure you actually know what you're talking about.
Just lurk around and read old threads in character forums if you have to.
But please realize that false speculations and wrong information is actually more detrimental than no input at all. It's cool that you want to get your voice heard and help out, but do yourself a favor and help yourself first by making sure you actually know what you're talking about.
Just lurk around and read old threads in character forums if you have to.
h!tboxexplo!ter
Smash Ace
Assuming this is edgeguarding involving characters with med+ damage far off the stage (I feel marth is the most dangerous for low % edge game)
1) puff - go can so far out for hits its not even funny, rest is cruel for laggy recoveries, and can stay on everyones trajectory
2) marth- can f up everyones recovery except puff and sometimes sheik (maybe m2 too), decent edgegame, spike range is just a straight death zone, dtilt is QQ vs low recoveries, swords priority just plain ignores any recovery priotity I can think of, he's not even on the stage when he fsmashes at the edge
3) peach- can float off stage vs some of the worse recovery and ruin their day, float is good for mindgames that cause bad time recoveries, turnips can **** manyyy characters, dair>nair at the ledge I feel is only a little worse than what marth can do with fsmash, super disjointed bair, on a minor note fsmash can people off guard ( they hit under the ledge) even if they are weak
4) sheik - bair alone gives her an edge then u add how far she can leave the edge amd still come back with her up b, needles terrirape some recoveries (looking at u spacies and samus), dsmash is kind of bad vs other options honestly but eh guess it can count on a tier list, fair is fast and hits at a good trajectory, nair is goooood no matter how its done, uair is ok too I guess but situational
Then a drop
Sorry falco I sorta thing ur edguard game isn't as solid as others. There are lasers and his spike but its honetly not that hard to come back because a) he can't go far out and b) can send out attacks nearly quick enough for some characters
Fox is closer but I feel there are several recoveries that slip past him but not top 4
1) puff - go can so far out for hits its not even funny, rest is cruel for laggy recoveries, and can stay on everyones trajectory
2) marth- can f up everyones recovery except puff and sometimes sheik (maybe m2 too), decent edgegame, spike range is just a straight death zone, dtilt is QQ vs low recoveries, swords priority just plain ignores any recovery priotity I can think of, he's not even on the stage when he fsmashes at the edge
3) peach- can float off stage vs some of the worse recovery and ruin their day, float is good for mindgames that cause bad time recoveries, turnips can **** manyyy characters, dair>nair at the ledge I feel is only a little worse than what marth can do with fsmash, super disjointed bair, on a minor note fsmash can people off guard ( they hit under the ledge) even if they are weak
4) sheik - bair alone gives her an edge then u add how far she can leave the edge amd still come back with her up b, needles terrirape some recoveries (looking at u spacies and samus), dsmash is kind of bad vs other options honestly but eh guess it can count on a tier list, fair is fast and hits at a good trajectory, nair is goooood no matter how its done, uair is ok too I guess but situational
Then a drop
Sorry falco I sorta thing ur edguard game isn't as solid as others. There are lasers and his spike but its honetly not that hard to come back because a) he can't go far out and b) can send out attacks nearly quick enough for some characters
Fox is closer but I feel there are several recoveries that slip past him but not top 4
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Doc King Does Not Know Anything
Ganon at top? Fox at 6th.? Math at 11th? Samus at 21? Pikachu above Puff? Are you sure this isn't the tier list for brawl? Even if it is I think you fail horribly at that too.
So, I heard from some friends you didin't know anything about the game. Thanks for confirming that doubt. Oh I see you play brawl, makes more sense.
Ganon at top? Fox at 6th.? Math at 11th? Samus at 21? Pikachu above Puff? Are you sure this isn't the tier list for brawl? Even if it is I think you fail horribly at that too.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
G&W has great edge gaurd really like i've said most people have good solid answers to most non-broken recoverys (peach/puff/ maybe m2).
Really only a a few terrible(edge gaurd) charcters stuggle. However I don't main like DK so hard to say he has bad edge gaurd up-B, tilts and bair doesn't seem that solid but it should take care of recoveries.
Really only a a few terrible(edge gaurd) charcters stuggle. However I don't main like DK so hard to say he has bad edge gaurd up-B, tilts and bair doesn't seem that solid but it should take care of recoveries.
Nygma
Smash Cadet
Dear Leviathan741,
No one thinks you're cool/funny.
Stop.
No one thinks you're cool/funny.
Stop.
Kanelol
Smash Lord
pikachu's edgeguards are pretty **** too once you figure out how uair works
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Peach above Fox and Falco is insane.
There are a lot of recoveries where Peach has some real problems actually killing them and she sucks at transitioning from the edge to the stage. She also cannot take advantage of an invincible ledgehop and has no height so to speak so going offstage vs high recoveries often takes a huge prediction on her part, which then empowers low recoveries to some degree because they gain some value as a mixup.
Fox and Falco definitely beat their own recoveries harder than Peach does. Same with Marth. Sheik too, unless Peach has a stitch or bob-omb. They combo Sheik better at low percents and have better edgeguard loops at high percents.
Falcon is DEFINITELY worse off against the space animals than Peach during recovery. They have better onstage loops, better mobility to catch him before he can edgecancel, Falco's projectile ***** down+B attempts about as hard as turnips if not harder because he can shoot them higher and get Falcon during the startup immediately, and they can both go out pretty freely and Bair him through his Up+B. Plus Fox's Shine, Falco's spike, how you can't tech Fox's Shine... Peach doesn't have anything as good as that vs Falcon. She's still fine vs his recovery but space animals destroy it.
Peach's recovery is similarly better vs herself than it is against space animals because she sucks at jumping high whereas space animals don't. They also have spike moves or semi-spike moves that can instant-death her offstage or put her in a horrible position whereas if Peach hits a Nair or whatever it sends up. Unless Peach pulls a stitch or bob-omb the space animals edgeguard her better than she edgeguards herself.
Space animals edgeguard Puff better because they can abuse ledge invincibility and because of their (Shine) spikes but they suck at edgeguarding Puff just like everyone else.
Out of the top 6 characters space animals edgeguard all of them better than Peach.
There are a lot of recoveries where Peach has some real problems actually killing them and she sucks at transitioning from the edge to the stage. She also cannot take advantage of an invincible ledgehop and has no height so to speak so going offstage vs high recoveries often takes a huge prediction on her part, which then empowers low recoveries to some degree because they gain some value as a mixup.
Fox and Falco definitely beat their own recoveries harder than Peach does. Same with Marth. Sheik too, unless Peach has a stitch or bob-omb. They combo Sheik better at low percents and have better edgeguard loops at high percents.
Falcon is DEFINITELY worse off against the space animals than Peach during recovery. They have better onstage loops, better mobility to catch him before he can edgecancel, Falco's projectile ***** down+B attempts about as hard as turnips if not harder because he can shoot them higher and get Falcon during the startup immediately, and they can both go out pretty freely and Bair him through his Up+B. Plus Fox's Shine, Falco's spike, how you can't tech Fox's Shine... Peach doesn't have anything as good as that vs Falcon. She's still fine vs his recovery but space animals destroy it.
Peach's recovery is similarly better vs herself than it is against space animals because she sucks at jumping high whereas space animals don't. They also have spike moves or semi-spike moves that can instant-death her offstage or put her in a horrible position whereas if Peach hits a Nair or whatever it sends up. Unless Peach pulls a stitch or bob-omb the space animals edgeguard her better than she edgeguards herself.
Space animals edgeguard Puff better because they can abuse ledge invincibility and because of their (Shine) spikes but they suck at edgeguarding Puff just like everyone else.
Out of the top 6 characters space animals edgeguard all of them better than Peach.
unknown522
Some guy
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
People confusing edgeguarding and gimping.
Geist
Smash Master
imo gimping ties right into it.
I see gimping as just more effective edgeguarding. I mean if there was a character that had the ability to hit someone from anywhere off-stage, but the trajectory hit them towards the stage, then it isn't good edgeguarding.
Probably a bad analogy but you get the picture.
I see gimping as just more effective edgeguarding. I mean if there was a character that had the ability to hit someone from anywhere off-stage, but the trajectory hit them towards the stage, then it isn't good edgeguarding.
Probably a bad analogy but you get the picture.
MalwareDie
Smash Cadet
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What KK said.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Dear Nygma,
I didn't ask you about what you thought, so you should Stop talking to me instead.
Nygma
Smash Cadet
I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.
(Head explodes)
(Head explodes)
I like you
VA
Smash Hero
I think marth is the best. I think he copes with ease in the most diverse range of match ups. But I'm dumb.
Also, edgegaurding spaceis with marth is lol fun.
Also, edgegaurding spaceis with marth is lol fun.
gm jack
Smash Lord
Not so sure on Marth being top because it can take him a while to recover back to the edge if he misses, which can allow some characters a chance to recover. Sheik can get back to the ledge so quickly it's just plain stupid.
Lordydennek
Smash Ace
hmm been thinking.
YLink and Link have pretty good edge games. arrows and bombs and stuff. theyd be near the top. mid-top or something. also puff has a slightly easier time than marth i'd say. but those two are the best by far.
YLink and Link have pretty good edge games. arrows and bombs and stuff. theyd be near the top. mid-top or something. also puff has a slightly easier time than marth i'd say. but those two are the best by far.
Little England
Smash Master
Bowser is definitely one of the best at this.
VA
Smash Hero
lol, what? since when do all of marths edge guards rely on him having to recover?
the reason I think marth is so good is that by standing on stage he covers such a hideous range of options.
john!
Smash Hero
sheik
marth
doc
puff
peach
mario
falco
fox
pika
g&w
ic's
everyone else
imo
marth
doc
puff
peach
mario
falco
fox
pika
g&w
ic's
everyone else
imo
VA
Smash Hero
lol, screwy list.
mine is
Marth
Sheik
Fox
Falco
Puff
Everyone else I don't care
/edit I didn't read armada's post until after I made mine. I did not copy him by saying everyone else I don't care, it's how I felt
mine is
Marth
Sheik
Fox
Falco
Puff
Everyone else I don't care
/edit I didn't read armada's post until after I made mine. I did not copy him by saying everyone else I don't care, it's how I felt
Dart!
Smash Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfTH_XrT044&feature=feedu
Dart is top tier?
serious note, imo i don't see how people don't think jiggs having 50 jumps isn't top tier gimping
Dart is top tier?
serious note, imo i don't see how people don't think jiggs having 50 jumps isn't top tier gimping
john!
Smash Hero
^ kirby has 50 jumps too and his edgeguarding is average lol
Artificial Sol
Smash Rookie
Marth/Sheik
Fox/Falco
Jigglypuff
Falcon
Link/Y. Link
Fox/Falco
Jigglypuff
Falcon
Link/Y. Link
Seikend
Smash Journeyman
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Lack of Bowser in this thread makes me sad.
Fox, Falco and CF are all super easy edgeguards. Quite frankly, what /doesn't/ work?
Sheik is pretty easy. Ledgehop koopaclaw is pretty silly.
Marth isn't easy, but definetely very doable.
Can't do much against Peach
Can't do much against Jigglypuff (But who can?)
Bowser can edgeguard top tiers pretty well, and only a couple of the lower tiers cause any difficulty. While he's not the best edgeguarder, Bowser getting only one mention, and being listed as 19th is pretty silly.
Fox, Falco and CF are all super easy edgeguards. Quite frankly, what /doesn't/ work?
Sheik is pretty easy. Ledgehop koopaclaw is pretty silly.
Marth isn't easy, but definetely very doable.
Can't do much against Peach
Can't do much against Jigglypuff (But who can?)
Bowser can edgeguard top tiers pretty well, and only a couple of the lower tiers cause any difficulty. While he's not the best edgeguarder, Bowser getting only one mention, and being listed as 19th is pretty silly.
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
Lack of SAMUS makes me sad
you have ****ing mario and G&W
but not Samus, who is probably one of the best edgeguarders in the game. Her metagame vs. top tiers pretty much revolves around edgeguarding lol
you have ****ing mario and G&W
but not Samus, who is probably one of the best edgeguarders in the game. Her metagame vs. top tiers pretty much revolves around edgeguarding lol
VA
Smash Hero
Samus is garbs, get over it.
Vts
Smash Champion
have u ever seen me edge guard anyone?
i go pretty far out nothing like the top but should be right under those top characters.
UltimateHaxor123
Smash Apprentice
marth is def the best. he has so many options its not funny. jump off stage-> fair, bair, reverse dolphin smash, dair(for the finish), sometimes uair (bounce), side b (falcomist), and he can edgeguard spacies with counter. Let's not forget about fsmash or dtilt, or jab, or ftilt.
jiggs is only inferior to marth because she HAS to go off the stage (most of the time) but its a close 2nd. 5jumps, 'nuff said
sheik's bair is...
i don't know why ppl keep putting spacies at the top. They really aren't that great. fox can shine and thats not always the best option and dsmash(which can be teched). Falco can dair and dsmash which can also be teched.
jiggs is only inferior to marth because she HAS to go off the stage (most of the time) but its a close 2nd. 5jumps, 'nuff said
sheik's bair is...
i don't know why ppl keep putting spacies at the top. They really aren't that great. fox can shine and thats not always the best option and dsmash(which can be teched). Falco can dair and dsmash which can also be teched.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
^ You're not allowed an opinion anymore.
Space animals have much more than Shine / D-smash / Dair at their disposal and it disturbs me that you think they're that limited.
Space animals have much more than Shine / D-smash / Dair at their disposal and it disturbs me that you think they're that limited.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
sheik is the best
marth 2nd
after that idk maybe fox/falco then jiggs (she cant cover options as fast as the others)
marth 2nd
after that idk maybe fox/falco then jiggs (she cant cover options as fast as the others)