those ratovich brothers... man...
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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ranmaru
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Yeah man.... : [ I wish I was a twin.those ratovich brothers... man...
i remember me and my teams partner... we were pretty dec, randomly played them at this tourney in WI first match in our pool. we got like 6 stocked an we were like who the **** are these guys.. they ended up winning dubs iirc, def top 2 though. and me and my partner got like 5th
Shroomed
Smash Master
i do that when im scared of missing a tech chase if they're gonna go on the platform
and yea it can set up for edgeguard 90% of the time
it's how i beat lucky
i wanna play jman really badly
otg
Smash Master
Jmans gay, I'd rather fight lucky having played both.
i think we should just abandon this character board and character and move on to bigger and better things
Shroomed
Smash Master
i guess im the only actual doc player haha
no one really plays doc consistently at all but me
no one really plays doc consistently at all but me
Rostigalen
Smash Journeyman
I do, but I'm from Sweden and I suck a lot, so I don't count =p
Just don't stop playing Doc, Shroomed, I think I can find something that I can incorporate into my own gameplay in every game you play. Also, you must go to Pound 5 and Genesis 2
Just don't stop playing Doc, Shroomed, I think I can find something that I can incorporate into my own gameplay in every game you play. Also, you must go to Pound 5 and Genesis 2
Shroomed
Smash Master
i love 30mins from genesis 2 so there's no way im not going
and im going to pound 5 also
im definitely getting higher than ****in 33rd this time
idk what happened but my fire is back
and im going to pound 5 also
im definitely getting higher than ****in 33rd this time
idk what happened but my fire is back
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
i respect you alot as a player shroomed. i know our mm is gonna be mad fun =]
ranmaru
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You mean your fire just BREATHED SOME OXYGEN OH YES
boss8
Smash Hero
im so glad i live LITERALLY a 5 min drive from pound 5
Shroomed
Smash Master
I get that for genesis =)
boss8
Smash Hero
woorrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddddddddddddd
10pillcamps
10pillcamps
otg
Smash Master
I get that for ROM... and I couldn't even go.
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
lol i play jiggs inteams sometimes but im doc purist in singles
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Very false sir. I go mostly Doc in teams. And I go ALL Doc in singles.
boss8
Smash Hero
i go all doc also.....
i think shroomed jus means a good doc that is consistant in top placings.....
how to fight a campy spacey marth?
cause all they do is either retreat with aerials or jus space...
pills get faired.....and getting in is a hassle...
im assuming we gotta use are platform game?
and once we get a grab get as much damage in as possible (that applys to any character xD)
i think shroomed jus means a good doc that is consistant in top placings.....
how to fight a campy spacey marth?
cause all they do is either retreat with aerials or jus space...
pills get faired.....and getting in is a hassle...
im assuming we gotta use are platform game?
and once we get a grab get as much damage in as possible (that applys to any character xD)
Rostigalen
Smash Journeyman
Related question - how to get damage up on Marths? They won't be chaingrabbed, and I can't get anything to hit after D-throw --> U-tilt. I use U-smash on occasions, but only because it deals more damage. Should I try to chain Uair at once after a D-throw?
otg
Smash Master
It's hard for me to talk about how to fight Marth because I have my own system and flow chart of things to look for to know they are vulnerable. It's not really something I'm conscious of, just something that happens from years of fighting really gay Marth's who know the matchup.
The big thing I would focus on is learning the windows that Marth is vulnerable, and learn to exploit the hell out of them. He's combo fodder if you get underneath him (and without his second jump? forget about it), and even tho pills are typically swatted away, spamming the hell out of them is very key, just don't compromise your space and try to keep the middle ground. Platforms def help. Dsmash and bair are your best friend.
As for the best way to damage Marth out of dthrow, at very low%'s I just go for dthrow -> usmash. It's a free 25%+ damage, launches marth above you for more potential follow ups, and works until like 40%+. One thing I've started doing recently at mid % is dthrow -> dair -> something, which works incredibly well and has the potential to link into a smash attack out of an uair from the dair, or straight from the dair into a dsmash or something. Really really good, especially with platforms.
I have a few more secrets, but I gotta save those.
The big thing I would focus on is learning the windows that Marth is vulnerable, and learn to exploit the hell out of them. He's combo fodder if you get underneath him (and without his second jump? forget about it), and even tho pills are typically swatted away, spamming the hell out of them is very key, just don't compromise your space and try to keep the middle ground. Platforms def help. Dsmash and bair are your best friend.
As for the best way to damage Marth out of dthrow, at very low%'s I just go for dthrow -> usmash. It's a free 25%+ damage, launches marth above you for more potential follow ups, and works until like 40%+. One thing I've started doing recently at mid % is dthrow -> dair -> something, which works incredibly well and has the potential to link into a smash attack out of an uair from the dair, or straight from the dair into a dsmash or something. Really really good, especially with platforms.
I have a few more secrets, but I gotta save those.
Shroomed
Smash Master
this is the downside to playing with music, i never remember stuff that i do
vs marth i think dthrow to like 2 uairs works at certain percents and it'll give u control of the middle of the stage by knockin him to the edge
marth controls ******** space so gaining ground is a great thing vs him at all times
you can sneak in a uair or nair sometimes if u time it after a fair i think
vs marth i think dthrow to like 2 uairs works at certain percents and it'll give u control of the middle of the stage by knockin him to the edge
marth controls ******** space so gaining ground is a great thing vs him at all times
you can sneak in a uair or nair sometimes if u time it after a fair i think
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Trying to utilize the platforms vs Marth is almost useless unless we're talkin about gettin' Marth to land on a platform above Doc. Doc above Marth is just as bad as(if not worst than) being above Ganon, or Falcon.
The pills are only good for filling out Marth's habits on how he chooses to deal with the pills. But it's still really tough to get around Marth's defense whether you know what Marth is gonna do because some of Marth's moves are just that difficult to punish.
I haven't found any efficient combos to do on Marth off of a grab yet. At early percents, I can get d-throw -> u-air -> regrab or d-smash. At mid percents it's all about d-throw -> some aerial (DI dependent). I haven't found a way to keep Marth in hitstun long enough to extend the combo for more than two aerials. No hitstun means Marth can just f-air his way out of most combos.
Like it's actually the better decision to do the d-throw -> 1 or 2 aerials -> set up a new approach for the jump out or f-air that Marth is gonna do because his hitstun wears off that quickly against Doc.
The pills are only good for filling out Marth's habits on how he chooses to deal with the pills. But it's still really tough to get around Marth's defense whether you know what Marth is gonna do because some of Marth's moves are just that difficult to punish.
I haven't found any efficient combos to do on Marth off of a grab yet. At early percents, I can get d-throw -> u-air -> regrab or d-smash. At mid percents it's all about d-throw -> some aerial (DI dependent). I haven't found a way to keep Marth in hitstun long enough to extend the combo for more than two aerials. No hitstun means Marth can just f-air his way out of most combos.
Like it's actually the better decision to do the d-throw -> 1 or 2 aerials -> set up a new approach for the jump out or f-air that Marth is gonna do because his hitstun wears off that quickly against Doc.
eighteenspikes
Smash Master
dash attack like, all the time, it wrecks marths cuz they always short hopping
Shroomed
Smash Master
if he has a brain he'll late fair and cut off ur leg
well ur a ****in doctor, stitch that **** back on, and continue to dash attack
Shroomed
Smash Master
^^^^ lolol
and i jus noticed the title oh snap son!
dec. 18 will be a regional so we'll see how i do at that
arizona, hbox, washington, and socal will all be there (and some guy from france)
let's do this!!!!!
and i jus noticed the title oh snap son!
dec. 18 will be a regional so we'll see how i do at that
arizona, hbox, washington, and socal will all be there (and some guy from france)
let's do this!!!!!
Palpi
Smash Hero
I love Hbox is intermixed with the other zones.
Shroomed
Smash Master
he's only coming cuz he convinced zhu to team with him lol
little does he know that zhu sucks in teams!
little does he know that zhu sucks in teams!
Palpi
Smash Hero
Didnt zhu win with m2k or get 2nd?...well m2k is pretty **** in teams...
ranmaru
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I guess dash dancing to get in is good. Make him attack and get in with a grab and just raappppe.
Jab > dsmash works sometimes. But use it at a higher percent.
I also do uthrow > dair but never tried dthrow to dair. I'll try that.
I can't remember what else I could do to marth loool. Oh, of course. F-tilt. I F-tilt his shield sometimes, but not all the time.
Btw I went ALL doc in the tourny I went to yesterday. But I still didn't do well.
I was playing Death Night but I can usually beat him, I mean its usually close but I just don't have the Falco match up.
I pick a small stage but he still lasers lasers lasers runs away lasers lasers wtf I don't think I would want FD or PS.
SO help me out bros, what am I not remembering about the Falco match up?
Jab > dsmash works sometimes. But use it at a higher percent.
I also do uthrow > dair but never tried dthrow to dair. I'll try that.
I can't remember what else I could do to marth loool. Oh, of course. F-tilt. I F-tilt his shield sometimes, but not all the time.
Btw I went ALL doc in the tourny I went to yesterday. But I still didn't do well.
I was playing Death Night but I can usually beat him, I mean its usually close but I just don't have the Falco match up.
I pick a small stage but he still lasers lasers lasers runs away lasers lasers wtf I don't think I would want FD or PS.
SO help me out bros, what am I not remembering about the Falco match up?
Shroomed
Smash Master
if a space animal likes to camp i like stages without a top platform
PS is really good until the stage changes then you should try camping until it changes back
PS is really good until the stage changes then you should try camping until it changes back
ranmaru
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Thanks bro. I'm really trying to improve, I'm even EVEN writing smash notes (from the start of this topic) in note cards!
I'm gonna use my other note cards for a driving test. Yes, I can get a %100 percent on a test if I use note cards, imagine smash!
I wrote that in the note card!
I will keep your advice in mind. : D
Next time Imma be ready.
I'm gonna use my other note cards for a driving test. Yes, I can get a %100 percent on a test if I use note cards, imagine smash!
I wrote that in the note card!
I will keep your advice in mind. : D
Next time Imma be ready.
Shroomed
Smash Master
jman's comin to norcal next weekend so i'll have my chance
get hype =)
get hype =)
boss8
Smash Hero
im madddddddddddddddd rusty xD