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Do Falcon Mainers Believe that Falcon is the worst in this game?
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Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
Samus is NOT far from low tier. She' not bottom tier but low tier is probable.
I ***** a Snake today as Falcon. It was sick.
eskimo bob
Smash Apprentice
Hahaha, that does sound sick.
QKiwi
Smash Rookie
derlurk activate >.> It is my opinion ganondorf is quite a ways ahead of the good captain for the moment, despite some of his lags all of his attacks string together very well, and hit like a truck. Every time someone lets you punish them you basically put them in range to kill with the second-third punish, which makes him a character that really forces people to their limit. Plus flame choke is amazing when not overdone to the point of predictability. On a final note, he shoots lightning from his beard, so all points against him automatically fail.
A2ZOMG
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Neither Falcon nor Ganondorf will get too many grabs because they have terrible grab range (my guess is the worst in the game). Ganondorf at least however can fairly easily land his Forward B which does equal free F-tilt, D-tilt, or jab depending on character, and two of those kill.
Both of their D-throws are crap at higher percents. At low percents you might be able to get in 1 U-air, but that's it.
talkingbeatles
Smash Ace
Yeah, it's because I just haven't seen too many really good Samus players, I guess. Recently though I saw some super defensive Samus on youtube fighting some IC's. The zair was used to amazing effect. It was good stuff.
I just don't know where Samus' kill moves are.
goodoldganon
Smash Champion
Non existent. Well I guess the d-tilt is pretty good...
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Uhh falcon is way worse than all 3. Good try tho.
Samus is worse than Falcon imo. Projectiles are slow, easily dodged, and wimpy. Even the Charge Shot can't kill early (or at mid either lol). Recovery is worse imo. Less kill options than Falcon, easier killed, and slow.
Snake is not a horrible Falcon matchup btw. Let me know when you **** a Metaknight.
Snake is not a horrible Falcon matchup btw. Let me know when you **** a Metaknight.
it's simulataneously sad and hilarious to see all these posts claiming that ganondorf is worse than Falcon. I mean I guess I understand the inherent need people have to feel as though somone somewhere has it worse-off than they do, but this is just ridiculous.
Thunderstorming alone makes Ganondorf better than anything Falcon is capable of. Not to mention he's one of the best (only) decent comboers in the game, and can easily kill someone in 6 hits. Also, practically every move he has is a kill move. The 300 kick is better than any move Falcon has. Hell, Ganon's neutral A is better than any move Falcon has. Plus Ganon's Forward-B is a totally awesome, unique, and useful move and techchase which defecates so far down the throat of Falcon's equivalent it aint even funny. He's heavier and all his moves have MUCH higher priority. His landing lag is worse, but its a nonissue as you shouldn't be playing Ganondorf using aerials low to the ground.
I was a Falcon/Samus/Ganondorf main in Melee, so I'm obviously reeling from the collective nerfing Brawl has given to my holy trinity, but of those 3, Ganondorf is clearly the best in Brawl. Samus is somewhat debatable, but Falcon is out of the question. I haven't played extensively enough with the other characters to conclusively and objectively say that Falcon is the worse in the entire game, but i've put hundreds of hours into my "main 3" and he is the worse of those 3 by a factor of infinity.
Please stop this nonsense that Ganon is worse than Falcon. Choose another scapegoat for the coveted title of "worst in the game" as that honor is nowhere near appropriate for the big G. He's not top tier, but he's waaaaay better than Falcon. Doubtlessly this plea will go unheeded, but it just needed to be said.
Thunderstorming alone makes Ganondorf better than anything Falcon is capable of. Not to mention he's one of the best (only) decent comboers in the game, and can easily kill someone in 6 hits. Also, practically every move he has is a kill move. The 300 kick is better than any move Falcon has. Hell, Ganon's neutral A is better than any move Falcon has. Plus Ganon's Forward-B is a totally awesome, unique, and useful move and techchase which defecates so far down the throat of Falcon's equivalent it aint even funny. He's heavier and all his moves have MUCH higher priority. His landing lag is worse, but its a nonissue as you shouldn't be playing Ganondorf using aerials low to the ground.
I was a Falcon/Samus/Ganondorf main in Melee, so I'm obviously reeling from the collective nerfing Brawl has given to my holy trinity, but of those 3, Ganondorf is clearly the best in Brawl. Samus is somewhat debatable, but Falcon is out of the question. I haven't played extensively enough with the other characters to conclusively and objectively say that Falcon is the worse in the entire game, but i've put hundreds of hours into my "main 3" and he is the worse of those 3 by a factor of infinity.
Please stop this nonsense that Ganon is worse than Falcon. Choose another scapegoat for the coveted title of "worst in the game" as that honor is nowhere near appropriate for the big G. He's not top tier, but he's waaaaay better than Falcon. Doubtlessly this plea will go unheeded, but it just needed to be said.
Sh1n0b1
Smash Journeyman
Gratz i guess. IMO he is not as tough as other people make him out to be.
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
lolololololol
bLeAkWuN
Smash Cadet
seriously..its all about the timing nd spacing with falcon....just know every opponents hit boxes, nd counteract with the perfect move....i usually go for chain grabing if i go against a very offensive player....defensive players are tricky but it can be done....throw in unexpected SH Dairs for them with alot of grabs & sheild grabs...CF 2 the top!
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Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
I didn't just win I molested him.
It was a 3 way match at first. DDD died and The Snake had 2 stocks and low damage and I had 1 stock and like 200 percent.
From there I won.
Sh1n0b1
Smash Journeyman
Ok now that is impressive. You should have mentioned that before unless you just made that up.
Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
It was on Shadow Moses Island though. I kept getting lucky hits till he was at about 70 then I just kept bouncing him off of walls. He was SO pissed.
Then I did it again.
Then I did it again.
Sh1n0b1
Smash Journeyman
He probably didn't know how to up tilt. Seriously he should of had you. But good victory nonetheless.
Terios the Hedgehog
Smash Hero
Like I said. I got lucky.
Sh1n0b1
Smash Journeyman
You forgot Ganondorf.
And Yoshi wasn't even nerfed
Edit: Apparently Luigi was nerfed. But he is still better than Mario.
And Yoshi wasn't even nerfed
Edit: Apparently Luigi was nerfed. But he is still better than Mario.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Yoshi wasn't but despite common knowledge Luigi was
jinkogunai
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i think we want falcon to be good and we hope for that, but the fact is that the weaknesses he had in melee are still there and he now has new ones. he can stilll bne gimped fairly easily in comparison to other characters and the combo and follow up abilities he have been greatly diminished because of how the game was developed. maybe if we find other things to make him better, but until then i believe he's possibly the lowest in the game.
Wogrim
Smash Lord
I don't believe that Falcon is the worst in the game, but rather that it is just hard to quantify his strengths. People look at his priority and the new knee and say garbage, and easily dismiss his speed because they don't know what to do with it. I couldn't really say who is worse than Falcon, although based on who I've failed with I would have to guess Sonic(you can see his specials coming), Jiggs(pathetic range), and Yoshi(moves feel slow and not powerful enough to make him decent like Ganondorf). I would agree that Ganondorf is better overall than Falcon, because their bad matchups are different. Ganondorf has trouble getting out of the way of KO moves, while Falcon has trouble landing them.
Aurashade
Smash Ace
Link is much MUCH worse and the falcon.
Wogrim
Smash Lord
Except when the grab part misses and they grab you back because they have better grab range....falcons d smash and onetwo punch grab combo is all i need. I kick *** most of the time I use him and he is not my main.
TheBlackLink
Smash Cadet
I definetly disagree with those who say that the Falcon is the worst. Yes he has been nerfed, (They freakin slammed him with the Nerf hammer, much lesst the bat) but in the right hands, he's still one of the best characters out there. People are too conscerned with tiers and whatnot that they let the little nicks and such form an opinion of the Falcon.
Truthfully, I do main the Capt. And i'd have to say that he stiill has a pretty good chance of defeating any other characters in the game. (In the right hands of course ^_^)
Truthfully, I do main the Capt. And i'd have to say that he stiill has a pretty good chance of defeating any other characters in the game. (In the right hands of course ^_^)
SmashBrother2008
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Poeple who mained Falcon in Melee are the mostly the same poeple who have been entering tourneys with Falcon. Most of them are so used to using "Melee-Falcon" that they end up losing the match just becuase he is tweaked for Brawl. These losses contribute to his lower tier for Brawl.
There are no tiers for Brawl anyway, everyone is pretty balanced. I have as hard a time KOing "top tiers" as I do KOing "low tiers".
There are no tiers for Brawl anyway, everyone is pretty balanced. I have as hard a time KOing "top tiers" as I do KOing "low tiers".
TheBlackLink
Smash Cadet
Exactly. That's what I believe as well.
BananaTrooper
Smash Journeyman
The people who mained falcon in melee aren't gonna be thrown totally off their game when a character is "tweaked"; they will when that character is nerfed so badly he's competing for low tier.
Why are you stating this like its fact? Where did you come up with this?
Wow. Have you ever played a player snake before?
This just means that either a) the people you play suck at high tiers, or b) you suck regardless of who you play against.
EDIT:
So it's been dubbed the 300 kick, huh? That's a pretty awesome name lol, I love it.
Wogrim
Smash Lord
Aren't tiers supposed to be mainly based on tournament results?
Doggalina
Smash Lord
Have you ever played against MK or Snake? Have you ever been hit by that freaking tornado or one of Snake's quick, ranged, and powerful tilts? Comparing MK or Snake to the rest of the cast (especially characters such as Falcon), I really doubt Sakurai and co.'s ability to balance a fighting game.
Wogrim
Smash Lord
Maybe the MKs I've played are using it wrong, but the tornado does not scare me. Snake's tilts are good, but Falcon's aren't so bad either.
Reaver197
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Snake's tilts are much better than Falcon's. Falcon's tilts are pretty good, but the fact that they can be hit through fairly easily decreases their usefulness. Snake's hits far beyond his model, so he doesn't have to worry about that, and they also have very good knockback. Falcon's tilts are decent at best.
Kirby M.D.
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Falcon is sorta like Dan Hibiki: more or less a joke, but an awesome joke that can be used to great effect if you've got a backup plan. Falcon is a good character to main if you have a good secondary: I dual main Falcon/Ness and use a Pikachu for the matches they both are bad at.
The thing with C.Falc is that you have to be perfect to do well with him, especially against a Kirby or Meta. You've gotta be thinking multiple steps ahead all the time, one misstep can screw you over because he lives on momentum more than even Shiek. He can **** just fine, it's just other people can **** him more easily.
The thing with C.Falc is that you have to be perfect to do well with him, especially against a Kirby or Meta. You've gotta be thinking multiple steps ahead all the time, one misstep can screw you over because he lives on momentum more than even Shiek. He can **** just fine, it's just other people can **** him more easily.
Sonic is definitely not worse than Falcon Wheeler, and neither is Ganon. Sonic has plenty of priority for what he seeks to do, and unlike Falcon Wheeler, he can combo fairly well (relatively, at least). Sonic also gimps a lot more easily than Falcon Wheeler. In the cas of Ganon, he has people in KO range after about three hits, and has one of the best edgeguards in the game.
Captain Falcon Rick Wheeler doesn't have much priority, doesn't have much of an approach, can't combo worth a ****, and his most powerful KO move is less effective on grounded opponents because you have to suffer landing lag for it to sweetspot. He doesn't even gimp all that well. Essentially, he's an empty husk of the Falcon that was. If he's not the worst in the game, he's no more than two spots away from that place. Link and Samus are also in contention.
Aurashade
Smash Ace
Galcon sucks, he's a terrible character. get over it.