It doesn't have to be for money, I'll play you with the full intent of three stocking you 
You just need to show up when I show up, that's it, haha.
You just need to show up when I show up, that's it, haha.
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DMG's Wario Guide Stuff Blah Stuff
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Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Sounds good to me then.
*stops hijacking topic*
*stops hijacking topic*
Timbers
check me out
phantom if you let an ike make a mockery of you were not friends anymore.
Ussi
Smash Legend
Wario fights for his money not his friends :0 he don't need you timbers.
Lol, you got *****, Timbers.
MrEh
Smash Hero
I love it every time someone finds an infinite on Wario. It sounds good on paper, but then people realize that Wario is so hard to grab.
It's sort of like when people figured out Bowser had an infinite on Wario. Except in Bowser's case no one cared, because there's only like 10 Bowser players on this entire site. XD
Bowser's Klaw is far scarier then a measly infinite. ^^
It's sort of like when people figured out Bowser had an infinite on Wario. Except in Bowser's case no one cared, because there's only like 10 Bowser players on this entire site. XD
Bowser's Klaw is far scarier then a measly infinite. ^^
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Serious Bowser players are about as common as serious Jigglypuff and Lucas players, and that's saying something.
Anyways, yeah, new infinite with Ike, nothing you guys aren't used to. You have the match at 40-60, which I guess is alright pre-grab releases. With the infinite and the "fairly new" free Bair and Ftilt, I don't think you guys would be against listing it as even? I won't push for Ike's favor as it's still not that easy to grab Wario, even with jab to grab, Nair to grab or reverse pivot grabs. It probably will happen a few times during a match though, you know?
I don't know. It's hard to find top Ike players to VS. consistently. Every Ike player I've had the pleasure of VSing I've generally two stocked. Ike is too easy to combo and absolutely wreck once we get inside his safe zone, b/c he has no good combo breaking moves, and then there's gimps too (both fair and nair wreck Ike offstage), his fair is easy to avoid b/c Ike can't do anything else after it, and then once we're just out of nair range we're already in punishing range.
You can list it as 45:55 if you really must (though I would personally disagree), just b/c even if you do get a grab off, you have to hope there's no platform above you in order to get any of these free hits...
MrEh
Smash Hero
Wait, the Ike boards have it listed as 45-55? O_o
Timbers
check me out
It's 40:60 against them right now :\ It's been a long time since we rediscussed most matchups, lol.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Someone go buy Phantom a plane ticket so he can face Kirk, and let them decide from there. XD
ssbbFICTION
Smash Champion
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Just aircamp ike lol. Its easier than DDD.
Yeah, we can aircamp him pretty easily as a last resort.
If someone DOES buy me a plane ticket though, it would be badass, lol.
If someone DOES buy me a plane ticket though, it would be badass, lol.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
.....
Ike has more Air Speed then DDD (on par with Toon Link's), and just as much, if not more range, plus hitboxes that outlast ADs.
We can't be that easy.
Your attacks are sloooooooooooooooooooooow, and you can't do more than one before landing, making it easier than D3.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Ike can do two Dairs and Bairs in one jump, but that's not the point.
Nair and Up Air last longer than any airdodge in the game, Nair especially is used to get past airdodges and strike. On a fun note Ike and Wario both are tied for the best airdodge in the game if I recall correctly, fun stuff.
MrEh
Smash Hero
It's not that Ike is slow in air......
Ike has more Air Speed then DDD (on par with Toon Link's), and just as much, if not more range, plus hitboxes that outlast ADs.
We can't be that easy.
It's that Wario is fast.
They may last long, but you're not going to be sitting in their hitbox for more than a fraction of a second, and yea, bair is doable, but like... not realistically gonna land while chasing. Also, the top part of nairs hitbox doesn't last longer than airdodges b/c I airdodge through that a lot o_O Maybe the entirety of the move does. But yeah, from my limited experience using Ike (lolrandom) and vsing other Ikes, going over him is not very troublesome. It's hard to get into his zone past his defenses, not to run away XD
Thanks for that Ike airdodge knowledge, I did NOT know that XD
EDIT: Lol, I keep confusing you for YagamiDark the Wario player, stop having the same name D:
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Yeah, you should do well depending on if the stage is large enough to mostly be able to aircamp him, going by what you described. Up Air's hitbox lasts from frame 15 to 33, so that's a lot of room for error if Ike baits an airdodge, you know. I figure it won't be perfect, as baiting an airdodge will well, get you hit. I'd also like to mention that Ike can also "brickwall" opponents with Fair and Nair.
The main thing about this match is that it's has some interesting changes based on the terrain. If it's a large stage, that means more room to camp but it's very dangerous if you get grabbed due to a lack of platforms I suppose. The smaller the stage, the easier it is for Ike to reach you, but the infinite will be used less.
First hit wins, yay! (Why is Brawl like this ;_; ?)
Anyways yeah, I'm sure you see why I think it's not a clear advantage for anyone.
EDIT:
EDIT 1 : Lol, I keep confusing you for YagamiDark the Wario player, stop having the same name D:
Sorry, sorry!
Edit Two: I'm not very fond of how this match-up is theorycraft based. Wario camps well, Ike loses. Ike defends well and gets a grab, Wario loses. Pretty much all of the Warios are in the south and pretty much all of the Ikes are in the North too. Heh.
YagamiDark
Smash Journeyman
lololol >_>
Seriously I see you everywhere Light...
Smogon, Smogon server etc etc...
whenever I play people ask if I'm your alt account O_o
Seriously I see you everywhere Light...
Smogon, Smogon server etc etc...
whenever I play people ask if I'm your alt account O_o
Light, are Arturito Burrito or Theeboredone worthy people to test the matchup? If you think so next time they come around I can attempt to do an aircamp/grab test (which won't last that long b/c it bores me).
I mean, this is an inherent problem in deciding matchup ratios for many characters that are underplayed like ours, lol, which is why I don't really care what matchups are listed as. I've never lost to an Ike offline under any circumstances, so naturally I think it's considerably in our favor. You guys have Fiction in cali though, and he's played Mog a bunch and he still thinks it's in our favor and that you're aircampable.
I mean, this is an inherent problem in deciding matchup ratios for many characters that are underplayed like ours, lol, which is why I don't really care what matchups are listed as. I've never lost to an Ike offline under any circumstances, so naturally I think it's considerably in our favor. You guys have Fiction in cali though, and he's played Mog a bunch and he still thinks it's in our favor and that you're aircampable.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
I don't blame them for thinking we're alts, haha. Nice to see you here though.
I haven't heard much about Theeboredone, but I talk to AB on SWF on a fairly large basis and he's knowledgeable and he beat Azen in a friendly once IIRC, go for it.
Yeah, I don't care too much what the match-ups are listed as either. I'm just here to present some facts so you can watch out for stuff in the future. You'd play a lot less lax against Ike if you didn't know he could infinite from a grab release, right?
I never play lax against Ike, that's just baaaaaad news, lol.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Haha, excellent point.
Anyways, we'll discuss this match extensively at a later point, just invite us over anytime.
Props to all you Wario mains for having the guts to play a character where most matches are the Ice Climbers.
Come down for WHOBO, we should have at least 3-4 beasty Warios here :DHaha, excellent point.
Anyways, we'll discuss this match extensively at a later point, just invite us over anytime.
Props to all you Wario mains for having the guts to play a character where most matches are the Ice Climbers.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
I wish I could go out of state, haha.
Previously, Ike could infinite only if Wario lost his second jump. This new (true) infinite was discovered just yesterday. He can also Ftilt out of a grab release.
Are you sure? I mean I knew about this months ago, that Ike could grab release infinite Wario with a pivot grab but that he had to be frame perfect.
And I knew about Ftilt too, Umbreon mentioned his tilts back then and they hit except for Dtilt.
Oh well, I guess you guys know now lol.
YagamiLight
Smash Champion
Hahah, I guess now we know as well. Odd how that turned out.
Ussi
Smash Legend
Light, the wario boards like to keep things secret. Like the smartasses they are.
anyways, just because you factored it in, doesn't mean we did.
anyways, just because you factored it in, doesn't mean we did.
Well you could say the same thing about us running around for 8 minutes. I certainly didn't have that in mind 3 months ago.
60:40 Wario overall. 55:45 Wario on FD, 65:35 Wario on SV, 60:40 Wario on BF, 55:45-60:40 Wario on YI, 65:35 Wario on Lylat, 65:35 Wario on Castle Siege, 60:40-65:35 Wario on Delfino, 65:35-70:30 Wario on RC, 70:30 Wario on Brinstar, 60:40 Wario on Frigate, 60:40-65:35 Wario on Green Greens, 60:40 Wario on Pirate Ship, 60:40 Wario on PS1, and I'll get on the other stages in a bit, not sure what I am missing lol.
I personally think Fiction is the most qualified to judge this matchup as he plays regularly with Mog, and he claims it's 55:45 Wario in general, 60:40 Wario on a couple stages, and Ike has slight advantage on a couple stages.
Lol only 60:40 on some stages? Wario has a clear large advantage on at least 3 stages, with some CP's being around 60:40-65:35. I don't think Ike has the advantage on any stage, maybe FD or something similar but even there I think it would be at worst even. Although I guess a 45:55 on FD wouldn't be so bad.
I think it's 60:40 in general, but meh 5 less points isn't much to complain about.
MrEh
Smash Hero
Wario on Norfair is the most annoying thing in history. Against Ike? Hilarious.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
I would think Ike has the edge over Wario on Pirate Ship personally. Platforms only in the middle, and if we REALLY have to: get lucky, pull off one AAA combo on Wario before he can do more damage, and then hide in the water for the majority of the match. XD
And yes, Wario on Norfair would be a flipping pain in the rear, unless we got lucky and grabbed you due to the fact the lava rose. Not very likely. At all.
And yes, Wario on Norfair would be a flipping pain in the rear, unless we got lucky and grabbed you due to the fact the lava rose. Not very likely. At all.
I3iNaRy
Smash Rookie
all hail wario, being an unpredictable character, he can be viewed as one of the best, without being viewed as ''cheap''. due to being relativly high in the tier list
Ussi
Smash Legend
Aether protects Ike from everything. Since everything will be an aerial approach.
@Norfair
Luckily for me, there are no warios/Norfair is banned here.
MorphedChaos
Smash Lord
Airdodge the aether, then Dair him since Wario gets out of the water faster then Ike, or footstool him into the bow of the ship.