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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II
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...this thread be like.
Fulgore makes a ton of sense: if they choose him I really hope he comes with his Reactor from KI 2013, because that's an amazing super meter and ties into the whole "I'm a ****ing machine of destruction and nothing will stop me" aestetic he has going for him. I'd also welcome Jago and Orchid - sure, they're "vanilla" by fighting game standards (being the closest analouges to Ryu and Chun that KI have respectively), but they have enough differences compared to Ryu and Chun to not only make them stand out but also give them their own flair. Such as their respective weaponry.
That said, out of the rest I'd prefer Spinal. Stands out instantly by being a skeleton (which is a character type Smash has not explored yet), his primary gimmick is a metered Skull Barrier and he uses his shield offensively too (something which is also rare amongst Smash's existing swordusers). I also like the pirate look he's had since KI 1.
Nah but seriously, while I do agree that he's knee deep in the sea of "Eh, he's okay.", it's worth noting that the sea of mediocrity isn't as bad as it was in previous games and he does have some really good strengths. I just personally think he's held back by the fact that he's has some weird consistency issues (multi-hits, Side B's Reflector sending projectiles whereever for some strange reason, etc.)
Oh and casually he can be a blast to play. Even if I personally have gotten tired of hearing Dark Pit yell "ELECTROSHOCK!" a lot during a game.
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Dan Quixote
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By and large, I highly doubt Nintendo will ever drop a playable first party franchise again if they can help it. Sure they might leave Lucas and Palutena out to make room for new friends, especially if they have a lot of new IPs they want to promote, but cutting EarthBound or Kid Icarus entirely seems unlikely since Nintendo does looooove reminding people "Hey look at this universe we own!"
Honestly I think we'll have to be on the receiving end of at least a soft-reboot for the cuts to be so extensive they begin to encroach upon original veteran characters from first-party series that don't have an abundance of reps. Those are several of the more "safe" criteria stacked upon each other, so I think the axing would have to go pretty deep to touch them.
SMAASH! Puppy
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This is my predictions for the next game's veteran base roster (well, perhaps less a prediction and more what I would probably do). The assumption here is that it will be about the size of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3Ds/Wii U's roster. My aim was for 50 characters, with 15 of these being newcomers.
Note: Echo Fighters were straight up not taken into account here; I didn't specifically cut them, I just didn't look at them for simplicity's sake. You can pretend all the ones with their base fighter intact are still there if you want.
- Super Mario
- Pokémon
- Xenoblade Chronicles
- Splatoon
- Animal Crossing
- Ring Fit Adventure
EDIT: There is a silver lining here in that unless they do some sort of hard reboot games as a service kind of thing (like, small base roster with the promise of more), this is likely the worst case scenario in terms of roster size.
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True Blue Warrior
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I’d expect around 20 cuts maximum, including the Echo Fighters. Most likely around 10-15 cuts.
Yeah... I hate thinking about it, but if Mr. Sakurai leaves smash development as it's leader like George Lucas did Star Wars a reboot feels inevitable. How that plays out no clue but I imagine a new roster with some shills some returners and some getting ghosted.
His philosophy won't ever die imho. Every rep will do their origin justice. And it'll always be a Nintendo top shelf title so we know it won't be a big crap show. They've yet to ruin Mario they saved Zelda after TP
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I think at least 25 would be cut if Smash 6 is a soft reboot of some kind.
I think it depends on if they want to take the series in a different direction/give it an overhaul or just do more standard affair, because the former could easily prompt a reboot, and a reboot could potentially have extensive cuts.
And frankly a game like Ultimate sets the series up for a reboot more than any of its past titles considering the impetus of its direction and the admitted untenability of continuing down the current path. Sakurai said it himself. Not making any proclamations about the future of the series, but I would more readily anticipate a series departure going forward than I would've in the past.
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Pit is 100% safe from being cut even if Sakurai isn't the director for the next Smash. I could see Dark Pit or Palutena () being cut if necessary but not Pit.
Same goes for Mother. They might cut Lucas but they wouldn't cut Ness as well.
) being cut if necessary but not Pit.Same goes for Mother. They might cut Lucas but they wouldn't cut Ness as well.
SMAASH! Puppy
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Sine the roster has reached its maximum capacity, I wouldn't be surprised if the games going forward do what fighting games normally do which is use mechanics as a selling point rather than its roster. I mean, the roster will always be a big part of the hype, but since it's inevitably going to feel like we went from "Everyone is Here!" to "Everyone is Gone!" (not necessarily within the next game, but we will eventually have more cuts than keeps) I think they're really going to have to sell people with new game mechanics, or perhaps a better single player or something.
Another thing to keep in mind is that even if Smash doesn't reboot, if it still builds itself back up from the incipient, foundational level and doesn't just do what it did this time and repurpose the last game, predicting some 20-25 cuts max means we'd end up with roughly 65-70 vets on top of, presumably, a typical amount of newcomers, which is also 20-25. And that brings the roster count right back up to the current numbers, even though we only managed to reach these numbers because of reusing 4 and going from there.
So even if Smash's formula doesn't change much, just by virtue of rebuilding the roster instead of reusing it, if they go that direction, we'd have to get more than 20-25 cuts. Either that or it'd spend much longer in development and cost that much more to make.
That said, in a lot of ways it's hard to look at other fighting games and use them as a barometer for Smash. For one, Smash has a huge huge contingent of players which care much more about Mario punching Steve than having a dedicated input to short-hop. The footprint Smash has is fuelled, let's be honest, more so than by who is going to show up than by anything else. Of course the mechanics are incredibly solid and have resulted in a dedicated community - but the characters are what pushes it to millions upon millions.
Most fighting games don't have that luxury, because their cast is original. Before they're part of the series, they probably don't exist. The cache newcomers hold for a more traditional fighter and Smash is night and day. Though I think developers are getting wise to the power of crossovers, which is why you're seeing them increase from Tekken to Mortal Kombat to SamSho.
To that end, you can delve into new ways to play, or new experiences to give the audience, but when push comes to shove you're always going to have to return to the well of heavily spotlighting newcomers if you want to optimize your engagement. Which is why I don't think they can or will cut down the number of newcomers they add.
So even if Smash's formula doesn't change much, just by virtue of rebuilding the roster instead of reusing it, if they go that direction, we'd have to get more than 20-25 cuts. Either that or it'd spend much longer in development and cost that much more to make.
I think they are going to have to pivot somewhat to incorporating new mechanics, not insofar as to make the game a success, because it will be a success no matter what, but just to make the game evolve and grow and feel distinct. Plus it's a pretty Nintendo thing to do as well.
That said, in a lot of ways it's hard to look at other fighting games and use them as a barometer for Smash. For one, Smash has a huge huge contingent of players which care much more about Mario punching Steve than having a dedicated input to short-hop. The footprint Smash has is fuelled, let's be honest, more so than by who is going to show up than by anything else. Of course the mechanics are incredibly solid and have resulted in a dedicated community - but the characters are what pushes it to millions upon millions.
Most fighting games don't have that luxury, because their cast is original. Before they're part of the series, they probably don't exist. The cache newcomers hold for a more traditional fighter and Smash is night and day. Though I think developers are getting wise to the power of crossovers, which is why you're seeing them increase from Tekken to Mortal Kombat to SamSho.
To that end, you can delve into new ways to play, or new experiences to give the audience, but when push comes to shove you're always going to have to return to the well of heavily spotlighting newcomers if you want to optimize your engagement. Which is why I don't think they can or will cut down the number of newcomers they add.
SMAASH! Puppy
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Another thing I think is worth noting is that if there are a ton of cuts, the Miis will be in a super weird position where depending on how you look at them they could feel incredibly justified (since the roster is much smaller a create a character where people can "add more characters" is much more valuable) or completely unjustifiable (what buisness does a create a character have on a gutted crossover roster, especially since there are 3 of them?).
I wonder if the best way to handle them in that case would be to have them be added in their own update rather than as a part of the base roster. That way you could give them more bells and whistles (be it fluff stuff like customizing taunts and idle animations or major gameplay stuff like an extra Special Move or an entirely new Mii class) to make them more enticing.
I wonder if the best way to handle them in that case would be to have them be added in their own update rather than as a part of the base roster. That way you could give them more bells and whistles (be it fluff stuff like customizing taunts and idle animations or major gameplay stuff like an extra Special Move or an entirely new Mii class) to make them more enticing.
Peripuff
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I feel like it is fairly likely that Mii costumes justify the Mii's existences from the perspective of Nintendo. I can't see them getting the boot to be completely honest.
You're saying that last part quite a lot when it's kind of been said why it doesn't mean anything... Again, it is the last character for the biggest smash game to date, people were always gonna be impatient for this one specifically, even without having any idea on their identity. They weren't gonna not say anything but they also weren't gonna tell us when to tune in so this ultimately isn't suggestive of anything other than that, well, it doesn't mean anything and that we're not gonna be waiting absurd lengths of time for the next character. This is of course fully excluding the fact that it was probably a translation error and even if we do wanna be generous and say the translator implicitly knew when the next character was gonna happen, which requires a lot of ifs and buts on its own, it can likely just be put through the same stuff I said here.
This just seems to be people perpetuating doomer stuff, which others have spread, without putting much thought into whether it actually has any logic behind it, in a similar way to the people who scream busted every time a new DLC character is added with a balanced gimmick, a kneejerk reaction, which is just them riding off what they assume the majority would think at a first glance, and luckily, this isn't a likely scenario.. They've paced out the reveals in a way to deliberately set it up before some ridiculously far away date. They wouldn't have messed up the timing with only the last DLC character if they were going to mess up the timing with any single one of the characters.
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Whatever the case in terms of cuts is in the next game I hope that at least we get all returning veterans announced upfront again.
SMAASH! Puppy
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Crackpot Smash Ideas: King Dedede now has a comeback mechanic. At 100%, he transforms into Swole Dedede. His mobility and frame data are the same, but now he has stupid disjointed range due to the fact that his arms are about the length of his body, and they aren't attackable. He also can't be 2 framed or anything of the sort because his body is so low underneath the ledge. Also his grab range is redonkulous and no it's not any slower to compensate.
King Dedede will finally be high tier.
King Dedede will finally be high tier.
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Seeing as how I’ve watched Tombstone before, your references can’t fool me.
I’ve seen plenty of movies to know what movie you’re going to reference. >:D
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So to make a long story short(too late), one by one you've watched them all.
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I think this summarizes our current state of speculation quite well.
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Or Flamingo
Or Turkey
Or Peacock
And we are still missing four of the eight kinds of bears.
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I've been busy today, so I haven't been keeping up here, but has anybody heard anything about this?
I know it's a safe bet, but still...
There was a problem fetching the tweet
I know it's a safe bet, but still...
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I'd probably take it more seriously if there was sources to the so-called leakers.
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Depends on who those “leakers” in question are
if it’s Tiffany Treadmore we toss it into the trash
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Cuts are no fun but in reality a reboot is the only logical path I see this series going towards. Some may say "why not just keep building off Ultimate?". It isn't that easy. A simple port would be enough headaches with all the rights issues with not only characters but music as well. Even Mii costumes would have to be negotiated.
A full reboot would surely cut a huge chunk of the cast. Not even considering the fact that all the old original characters like Samus are in desperate need of a kit overhaul. I'd be ok with such an event even though it sucks because Ultimate will always exist.
A full reboot would surely cut a huge chunk of the cast. Not even considering the fact that all the old original characters like Samus are in desperate need of a kit overhaul. I'd be ok with such an event even though it sucks because Ultimate will always exist.
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I mean yeah it’s definitely likely but were the leakers ever named? Kinda impossible to use this for anything substantial without a source.
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I have no information whatsoever about upcoming spirit events and I could tell you the exact same thing.
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At the end of the day, Smash's future is completely up in the air. We don't know if Sakurai will even be back for the next game.
I agree with you though. After Ultimate, I feel that a reboot is likely. Redesigning all of the veterans from the ground up, coming up with some new gameplay mechanics and ideas, and cutting the roster down to Melee/Brawl size. A total "start from scratch" approach is likely, especially if we got a new director.
But yeah, they very well could decide to keep building on Ultimate. It'd be a legal nightmare, but they did it before. I'd much prefer it if they just made Ultimate 2, but I'm leaning towards a reboot.
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To be honest, there's a part of me that wants them to go the SF3 route next Smash: only the original 8 Fighters at launch, everybody else is brand new to the series.
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Honestly I'd expect most of these fall Switch games to get characters in Smash 6 or at least Samus gets a redesign. Smash games usually take characters from the system before unless it's DLC, yeah? Olimar was a Game Cube character, Shulk was a Wii character, Incineroar was a 3DS character and Inkling was a Wii U character. I'd expect at least a few new Switch characters in 6.
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I think only a crazy ******* like Sakurai would consider rolling with this. Anyone else is going to have a real rough go explaining to Nintendo why they should cut Villager and Inkling. xD
That's what Ring Fit, Astral Chain and Gen 9 are for.
Though Nahobino will be a contender.
Monster Hunter, Dante, possibly Tails, maybe Bomberman or Travis if they can rekindle their popularity. Waluigi, if he counts. Lloyd has a chance. Isaac is a long shot, but who knows. And if I don't say Sans someone will yell at me.
And no, not that other one.
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It'll be uhhhh Dunban from Xenoblade Chronicles.
He'll be the only character that cannot pick up items.
I think the last 4 we got (Lloyd, Dragonborn, Dante, and Shantae) have a pretty decent shot since Sakurai stated that they were all popular requests.
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The next game will not be a reboot. There might be some changes to movesets, but a reboot? No. While the gameplay has been a strong factor, the main and biggest attraction has always been the characters. The thought of your favorite video game characters being able to fight and interact with each other on the stages of different video game worlds.
There may be cuts and there may be gameplay or moveset changes. But a reboot that takes out the majority of the characters? That will not happen, because the characters have always been the biggest and main selling point, with the good gameplay being a bonus point. And Nintendo knows that very well.
There may be cuts and there may be gameplay or moveset changes. But a reboot that takes out the majority of the characters? That will not happen, because the characters have always been the biggest and main selling point, with the good gameplay being a bonus point. And Nintendo knows that very well.
I don't know? Isaac? Bomberman? Lloyd Irving? Dante? Dohvahkin? Shantae? Sans? Monster Hunter? Cuphead? Travis Touchdown? I mean, there are a ton of Mii Costume'd characters who have demand and are definitely recognized by Sakurai and Nintendo as big requests.
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Not to say that these titles won't get spirit events but....
I would say 80% chance, the chance of the final character being first party are low. WarioWare, Dread and all the upcoming game will have dedicated Spirit Battles. Pokémon, Astral Chain, Paper Mario and other recent major Switch titles are all represented.
— Samus Hunter | Nintendo Leak and News Inside (@SamusHunter2) September 5, 2021
They are most likely referencing a Samus Hunter tweet of all things.
This is the only "Source" I can find that corroborates the "Fall titles" getting "Spirit battles" detail the original tweet alludes to.
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"Hey, you didn't hear it from me but... some leakers are apparently saying they'll release Challenger 11 before the end of 2021. But that's just what I heard so take it with a grain of salt"
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