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So you're saying we've never been wrong about anything as long as we have our trusty Ship of Theseus?That's how the speculation mafia works. Create new theory, have it broken, try to tape it back together. Our entire boat is made of tape now; What's left to lose?
Super Smash Bros. or Xenoblade Chronicles 2?
I don't mean to imply that I've been like sulking or depressed about the other characters. I just haven't exactly been hype. I mean personally I've never played a Persona game - I want to! - so Joker was kind of a what? pick for me. And also going back to the whole point of my response, he just doesn't fit into my conception of what I want Smash to be. AS Neon originally said Nintendo All stars and 3rd parties that are closely tied. Having said that I think he's a great character and he is fun to play, so I'm not pressed about it or anything.
Considering Sakurai based their Splash Images on the figures, that one is my guess, especially since there is separate art for each that looks better soloOkay let's talk about spirit.
Just like Min Min both Pyra and Mythra already has a spirit in the game, with the inclusion of Min Min her fighter Spirit uses a different artwork taken from one of the promo art for ARMS. From what I've seen Pythra only has 1 official artwork and the rest were concept art, the only artwork that I could find that could be considered official is this artwork from XB2 OSTand this concept art for their figurine
So what do you think is better to be used as their Fighter Spirit?
I definitely understand your viewpoint, but it's more or less not what Sakurai views Smash as anymore. He's called it a "Celebration of gaming", which, to me is really cool, but I can see where you're coming from. I don't share your viewpoint and personally enjoy branching out to all parts of gaming, but I definitely understand you.I don't mean to imply that I've been like sulking or depressed about the other characters. I just haven't exactly been hype. I mean personally I've never played a Persona game - I want to! - so Joker was kind of a what? pick for me. And also going back to the whole point of my response, he just doesn't fit into my conception of what I want Smash to be. AS Neon originally said Nintendo All stars and 3rd parties that are closely tied. Having said that I think he's a great character and he is fun to play, so I'm not pressed about it or anything.
Pretty much feel the same way about Terry, Steve, and Sephiroth. But again I actually really like Terry. And Sephiroth is a hype character, he just isn't who I would have picked. Personally I would have much preferred Black Mage - yes I'm one of those - or Terra Branford.
And as far as the 1st party characters go Plant is uh, well Plant is Plant. Byleth, doesn't do a whole lot for me being that FE has so many characters already. Min Min was a fine choice imo, though again just not really a hype one for me as I'm not an ARMS fan. And unfortunately I haven't played Xenoblade Chronicles yet because I am slacking. Otherwise there's a good chance Pyra would be hype for me. Again don't get me wrong, I'm not pressed about any of these characters (ok I won't lie I was a little pressed about Byleth at the time lol), but they aren't hype for me either.
Like I said, you can get a pretty good idea of what type of characters are hype to me from my sig. And unfortunately it doesn't seem like any of them are a priority at this point, as all the first parties we've gotten recently have been, well recent. I'm just forever glad I got Banjo. Even if everyone seems to hate him now.
The latter's meant to be XB2 yeah. Don't get what's unclear, as I've been pretty vocal on disliking how Min Min goes against Smash's core design
Oh you were referring to both. I thought you were just talking about Pyra and Mythra.
Hmm... If we're thinking this pass is about tying up loose ends, Ayumi might be a potential darkhorse.
I think it was from Hobo Nichi interview. The company Shigesato Itoi made.
Sakurai is saying he wanted a female character to in but they couldn't find anyone, then the PR officer from Nintendo says that the girl from FDC was in consideration. Iwata asks, what was her specials? PR guy, "show a photo". LOL (everyone)
The interviewer is Yasuhiro Nagata from Hobo Nichi (former chief editor of Famitsu).
Something similar happened when Isabelle was revealed: Due to Ridley and the 8/8 newcomers all being obvious ballot requests, people expected the rest of the base newcomers to be the same (see: Grinch Leak), thus the ****storm when the new AC mascot joined.
Maybe the issue is that people simply don'g like the first parties given and actually have a ton of first parties they'd like to see?
Honestly, as much as I love 3rd party additions, I'm more than okay with this reveal.
Oh I get that. I'm not under any illusions. It just explains why I don't get hyped about most characters at this point. Again this convo all started just because I was agreeing with another poster's point about how they felt relative to base game and DLC character additions. I thought it was an interesting point and pretty much nailed how I felt. I think it's interesting to see where people are coming from with respect to their speculation.
I'd like to see a lot of those characters too. I don't really fault Nintendo for focusing more on third-parties these days, I get it. And I get their method, throwing that big net out there. It's just that when you cast the big net, there are so many options of what you can haul in that many aren't going to speak to you. But there are times I miss the more precision strikes. That is how the fanbase was first built, after all.
Pretty sure the characters had already been chosen by the time that reached its fever pitch.
And tbf, Smash doesn't even perfectly align with Sakurai's vision anymore anyway.
If there's anybody I'd trust about Ayumi Tachibana it's Ayumi Tachibana. Thanks for the info.
I think it was from Hobo Nichi interview. The company Shigesato Itoi made.
Sakurai is saying he wanted a female character to in but they couldn't find anyone, then the PR officer from Nintendo says that the girl from FDC was in consideration. Iwata asks, what was her specials? PR guy, "show a photo". LOL (everyone)
The interviewer is Yasuhiro Nagata from Hobo Nichi (former chief editor of Famitsu).
Tbf a lot of the first-parties they've gone with as of late are just polarizing choices full stop. That and the fanbase complains about most characters anyway.
That depends on if they want to tie up loose ends from previous games. Minecraft is dubious, but an ARMS rep, more FFVII content, and an XBC2 rep are definitely loose ends from Ultimate.
I think the focus on Nintendo ties was gone the second Cloud Strife was added to the game and was followed later by Joker, Sephiroth, and Steve.
A lot of it has to do with the remaining pool of first parties. We've pretty much exhausted Nintendo's pool of really important characters, but there's still plenty of 3rd parties that would generate lots of excitement. I'm not saying there are no good options left among first parties, but I'd argue that every notable first party that could be included would have a far more divisive response than pretty much all of the third party frontrunners.
I have a lot of hot takes that would probably make a certain people* angry, but I stand by what I said. lol
BTW, this is from Nagata's book published in 2000 and the interview was from the time Iwata was still working at HAL.
I think it was from Hobo Nichi interview. The company Shigesato Itoi made.
Sakurai is saying he wanted a female character to in but they couldn't find anyone, then the PR officer from Nintendo says that the girl from FDC was in consideration. Iwata asks, what was her specials? PR guy, "show a photo". LOL (everyone)
The interviewer is Yasuhiro Nagata from Hobo Nichi (former chief editor of Famitsu).
As I said before, I get that. I was just explaining how I feel about the topic.
I mean, FFVII actually made it to Nintendo by the time we got Sephiroth, it was also a top 5 best selling eshop game in 2019 iirc. And Minecraft's been on Nintendo for 3 systems, so it had Nintendo ties for a long time
Me who wants Bandana Dee in Smash so Kirby can get another rep since Brawl:Thoughts:
- Xenoblade has been due another character for a while now so I can't say it's not unwarranted or unexpected. I understand the fatigue with anime sword fighters, but considering what they're doing with this character(s), are from an underrepresented series, and that they're more female representation my sympathy only goes so far.
- Rex is the new Chrom.
- I really hope that the obvious new Legendary Spirit we get will be a Primary Spirit with three slots so it can fit both the Pyra/Mythra support spirits and make things extra extra meta.
- This probably means we'll be getting Amiibo figures for each of them; and am guessing they will become quickly expensive.
- I wonder if we'll finally get Xenoblade X music?
- The new stage seems interesting. Could potentially be a legal stage at first glance depending on blastlines.
- Xenoblade is the last currently represented 1st Party that needed another rep IMO.
- The trailer itself was rather underwhelming. Needed more gameplay footage.
- A KOS-MOS Mii Fighter seems like a good bet at this point, though I'd be more curious to see if they base some of Pyra/Mythra's alt colors on her.
Depends on how early in March the Blades are. If it's early March, we might be able to squeeze in an early reveal, but if it's mid-March I think we're back to the three-month gap.
May I present to you, the ‘00s kid 4.
/Mythra – December 1, 2017
For fun, here's all of Ultimate's non-echo newcomers in chronological order.
Woof at the massive gap between Banjo and Steve. We need some more mid 2000s characters in here...
The character was revealed now because of the Direct, but they're still releasing when people expected they would. Those Smash presentations really only happened in absence of general events like E3 and Directs, so I figure now that we seem to be back on track, the most reasonable expectation would be not hearing about FP10 until around E3.
How many of these goofy faces are in Xenoblade's games? They're amazing!Alright, I've finally gone around and I gotta say.
Overall, like Min Min, people are positive towards Pyra and Mythra. People are generally happy. The world just isn't on fire.
Honestly, I'm just happy they're in. They're a fun choice and its nice they chose the most popular Xenoblade Chronicles 2 characters.
Plus I've come to a realization.
We're probably getting more Xenoblade Chronicles remixes.
All of them, probably.
Though to be fair, Min Min's case, she was clearly the most popular character, the director's fav, and the series had a poster boy but no actual lead (similar to most fighting games) and in Pyra/Mythra's case, they were main characters equal to Rex in Xenoblade Chronicles 2..and likely more popular than Rex too.
That depends on if Directs are finally back for good, and not just an annual thing.
Seems like 00's gamers haven't really gotten the best end of the stick, first or third-party. Just look at how few of Smash's fighters come from the GBA or DS.
That's true, but to me just having a game on Nintendo doesn't really make a character Nintendo affiliated, it's more about the character's personal history on Nintendo systems. Like if they wanted a Final Fantasy character with Nintendo ties, Cloud certainly wasn't it over someone like Terra. Even if P5 comes to switch eventually, I'll still associate the game with Playstation more than Nintendo. On the opposite end, I still view Banjo as a heavily Nintendo affiliated character despite his current station.
But I'm already bored of Pyra. I need another reveal, like, now. I think Pokemon Day is a perfectly reasonable time to reveal the next Smash character!
I have a small meme folder.
Yeah I agree. It's no surprise that every DLC character announced that wasn't in a direct practically came a week later (Byleth, Min-Min, Steve, Sephy), because Sakurai was able to release it on his own schedule. The Smash team doesn't get to pick when the Direct happens, so it makes sense Pyra comes out in March. It was figured to be so anyways due to Amiibo Theory.
