Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[chocolatejr9]

So Ryu Hayabusa is possibly deconfirmed? Huh, well that's a shakeup...

So are we gonna say Koei Tecmo as a whole is dead, or do Warriors and/or Dead or Alive still have a chance?

 

[Flyboy]

Reminder Grant Kirkhope said the same thing about Banjo.

No, he didn't. He told people to "Not hold their breath" in response to someone asking him about it. The context was entirely different, as was the flavor of response.

This is pretty strong.

 

[3BitSaurus]

So Ryu Hayabusa is possibly deconfirmed? Huh, well that's a shakeup...

So are we gonna say Koei Tecmo as a whole is dead, or do Warriors and/or Dead or Alive still have a chance?

Warriors is a series I could see getting a rep, provided they can get over said rep being a re-fictionalized version of another fictional character/real person. Which is definitely possible.

DoA, though... I can't see it being a priority. It's not as big as Warriors and compared to other fighting games, DoA is kind of just... there. When it comes to fighters, my money would be on Arcsys, not Tecmo.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So if Ryu Hayabusa is deconfirmed in this case. Who else is left that fits "Fix theory" or "Base Content Theory"?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So if Ryu Hayabusa is deconfirmed in this case. Who else is left that fits "Fix theory" or "Base Content Theory"?

I will die on the Octoling hill, Squid Sisters costumes be damned

they’re counted as the OG Splatoon and thus shouldn’t count against Octo Expansion idc what you have to say

veemo

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

So if Ryu Hayabusa is deconfirmed in this case. Who else is left that fits "Fix theory" or "Base Content Theory"?

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[chocolatejr9]

So if Ryu Hayabusa is deconfirmed in this case. Who else is left that fits "Fix theory" or "Base Content Theory"?

Give me a minute, I'll think of a way for Euden to fit into this...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Or do you guys think Fix/Base Content Theory is going to be among those patterns that'll just be broken like always?

 

[TwiceEXE]

Or do you guys think Fix/Base Content Theory is going to be among those patterns that'll just be broken like always?

Base Content theory has been stretched way too far already at this point. It's over. The two games that were said to have missed the window for base game got their reps (ARMS/Xenoblade 2). People have just tried to make it a full blown conspiracy with bad data points and massive assumptions.

People have decided that Sephiroth was the band-aid fix to low FF content and it was the only way to license Cloud. There is no evidence for this.
People have decided that because Steve had been in negotiations for years, he was meant for base game.
People bought into a text leak (Chun-leak) that of course meant that Chun and Yuri/Lloyd were the last two characters because they were obviously meant for base game.

 

[Otoad64]

Or do you guys think Fix/Base Content Theory is going to be among those patterns that'll just be broken like always?

probably.

and isn't it called "Second Chance Theory"?

 

[Evil Trapezium]

So Ryu Hayabusa is possibly deconfirmed? Huh, well that's a shakeup...

So are we gonna say Koei Tecmo as a whole is dead, or do Warriors and/or Dead or Alive still have a chance?

If Koei Tecmo were going to choose anyone, it'd probably be Ryu Hayabusa. if Ryu Hayabusa is out then Koei Tecmo as a whole are out.

 

[Deleted member]

Hopefully this doesn't cause any confusion in the future.

on the topic of final fantasy villain's after sephiroth what would be the next best one?

imo it's kefka but 1-10's villains are all so so strong (for the most part) it could go either way to any of them really, (Ardyn is cool too from what little i played of 15)

It probably will, but I find it amusing, so I'm fine with it lol.

Spoiler

Someone from 6 would probably be next in line since 6 and 7 are near equal when people debate 'Best FF Game'. Though because we don't have any protags yet, I'd say it'd be a decision between Terra & Celes.

Terra seemed like the protagonist for the World of Balance where she was accompanying everyone to first determine whetehr she should help fight against the empire, then to find out who/what she truly was after going bonkers meeting Tritoch and turning Esper. Then for the World of Ruin, you start playing as Celes to find the scattered party and re-recruit them to put down Kefka for good and she was on a redemption, 'find her path' arc in that half so she seemed like the protagonist for that half of the game.

Kefka would be better left for after you get at least one of those two in first.

In all honesty though, Final Fantasy could use a Smash series all to its own. Dissidia was cool and all (at least the first 2 were) but a Smash Bros. Clone would be perfect (so long as they don't crap the bed by doing what PS All Stars Battle Royale did). 2 Main Party Characters and 1 main Villain from each entry (along with at least 2 'mainstay' characters like Cactuar, Chocobo, Mog, or Tonberry) would be an easy roster.

Just going to spoiler the whole post to not interrupt current talk since I just realized I'm quoting a conversation from 6 pages ago and already done at this point lol.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

tellin ya

Splatoon 2 has very few music in the base game, no Octo Canyon music, no Octo Expansion music despite two spirits

and you know how much I gush and meme about the Octo Expansion

it’s perfect

 

[chocolatejr9]

If Koei Tecmo were going to choose anyone, it'd probably be Ryu Hayabusa. if Ryu Hayabusa is out then Koei Tecmo as a whole are out.

Welp, guess it's time to go all in on Nihon Falcom.

 

[Gengar84]

If Koei Tecmo were going to choose anyone, it'd probably be Ryu Hayabusa. if Ryu Hayabusa is out then Koei Tecmo as a whole are out.

I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. I think Warriors is a bigger franchise and has a bigger impact on gaming overall than Ninja Gaiden personally. The only thing holding them back is the fact that they are based on real people. If they could work around this, I wouldn’t count Lu Bu out as a potential character. I would personally be a lot more hyped for Lu Bu than Ryu.

On another note, if Ryu Hyabusa is actually deconfirmed, that increases the chances of the Battletoads making it in since Ryu was the most likely retro character.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Characters: All three Kirby characters debuted in games Sakurai created. This is the least egregious category, though, because if you had three Kirby characters of course it would be this trio. Of note, Kirby and Dedede pull their Final Smashes from post-Sakurai games.

To add on this, Bandana Dee feels like the only time an extra Kirby character felt like they belonged more, similar to how K.Rool didn't become popular until after Diddy got confirmed, Kirby had Meta Knight confirmed on Brawl's announcement and Dedede was the next obvious choice, who'd be one of the last newcomers confirmed iirc, there wasn't a clearcut character after him until BDee secured his Player 4 spot

 

[Otoad64]

I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. I think Warriors is a bigger franchise and has a bigger impact on gaming overall than Ninja Gaiden personally. The only thing holding them back is the fact that they are based on real people. If they could work around this, I wouldn’t count Lu Bu out as a potential character. I would personally be a lot more hyped for Lu Bu than Ryu.

On another note, if Ryu Hyabusa is actually deconfirmed, that increases the chances of the Battletoads making it in since Ryu was the most likely retro character.

I think the idea is that Hayabusa himself is a bigger character then anyone from Warriors

 

[Idon]

Don't you all find it strange that Jack Frost from SMT has remained MIA from Smash despite being a mainstay in the Persona franchise and the mascot of the company?

You know what that means...


FREE MY SON.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Don't you all find it strange that Jack Frost from SMT has remained MIA from Smash despite being a mainstay in the Persona franchise and the mascot of the company?

You know what that means...

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FREE MY SON.

Smh you didn't say free-ho, fake fan alert, ho!

 

[CapitaineCrash]

So I just read the interview about Hayabusa and I wonder, would Fumihiko Yasuda even know if Hayabusa would be in Smash? He didn't even create the characters, he just produced some of the modern Ninja gaiden games and Nioh. Also he doesn't work at Koei tecmo, but at the smaller division Ninja theory. I think that if Hayabusa was negotiated, Nintendo would have to talk with Tecmo, not Ninja theory.

Beside, the answer is pretty vague. He just said "I'm waiting for an invitation", which could be a joke about the fact that many Smash trailer featured the invitation letter. This could mean that Haybusa could have his invitation in a trailer soon. So I don't thin this is a hard disconfirmation for Hayabusa.

 

[SNEKeater]

Don't you all find it strange that Jack Frost from SMT has remained MIA from Smash despite being a mainstay in the Persona franchise and the mascot of the company?

You know what that means...

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FREE MY SON.

Jack Frost Mii Costume in the CP10's presentation, hee-ho!

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

If Hayabusa's donzo, then I pretty much have no idea who the last two are gonna be. Kind of a fun feeling.

No Ryu would be a bummer though.

 

[Gengar84]

I think the idea is that Hayabusa himself is a bigger character then anyone from Warriors

That’s probably true but I think Warriors is big enough that a lot of people would still recognize Lu Bu or Zhao Yun. I think even Yukinura Sanaa or Oda Nobunaga would be pretty recognizable from Samurai Warriors. Warriors also has amazing music that would be perfect for Smash. If a Warriors character made it in, I feel like we would at least get a Ninja Gaiden song with them seeing as Hyabusa was in Warriors Orochi.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If Hayabusa's donzo, then I pretty much have no idea who the last two are gonna be. Kind of a fun feeling.

No Ryu would be a bummer though.

What do you currently think of Crash's chances?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

What do you currently think of Crash's chances?

I honestly don't think he's happening either

Not sure if he'd quite be high priority for NoJ like most people think he is.

Would love to be wrong though.

 

[JOJONumber691]

So, Hayabusa died. https://twitter.com/nibellion/status/1374636453452464130?s=21
Not sure if you were already aware, but Hayabusa was shot dead and Speculation can finally be interesting again!

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Gosh if Crash Bandicoot gets soft disconfirmed like Hayabusa then we're in for real shake up.

Now that I think about it, I'm starting to see some similarities with Doom Guy.

Pete Hines in a Nintendo Power Podcast: "who knows, maybe some more surprises for Nintendo fans"

Crash Bandicoot twitter account: "Along with some other fun happenings in celebration of the franchises 25th anniversary"

I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. I think Warriors is a bigger franchise and has a bigger impact on gaming overall than Ninja Gaiden personally. The only thing holding them back is the fact that they are based on real people. If they could work around this, I wouldn’t count Lu Bu out as a potential character. I would personally be a lot more hyped for Lu Bu than Ryu.

On another note, if Ryu Hyabusa is actually deconfirmed, that increases the chances of the Battletoads making it in since Ryu was the most likely retro character.

I think Koei Tecmo would still choose Ryu Hayabusa over anyone else because he best represents what the company is all about. If they didn't see any potential in him he wouldn't be used in so many crossovers. I don't disagree with Nintendo using real life people because they've already done that with the Dr. Kawashima assist trophy but again I think Hayabusa is very important to Koei Tecmo.

As for the Battletoads, I don't see why Nintendo would save a spot for a retro character nor how that improves their chances of getting in.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So, Hayabusa died. https://twitter.com/nibellion/status/1374636453452464130?s=21
Not sure if you were already aware, but Hayabusa was shot dead and Speculation can finally be interesting again!

Little late to the party.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Little late to the party.

True. I was too lazy to check if anyone already posted it, but someone did. Thanks for calling me out.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think it’s safe to say that if we get an Overwatch Spirit Event before Crash, ergo, that Activision Blizzard’s first piece of involvement is non playable content, then Crash is dead

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Who knows who the last two could be at this point.

All I'm certain is we'll at least get one more "Big" character given June/E3 Month.

Screw it, I'm throwing the bone in and betting it being Master Chief.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think it’s safe to say that if we get an Overwatch Spirit Event before Crash, ergo, that Activision Blizzard’s first piece of involvement is non playable content, then Crash is dead

That would mean that all Arc System Works characters are out of the running as well, so no Sol Badguy or Ragna.

 

[Gengar84]

Gosh if Crash Bandicoot gets soft disconfirmed like Hayabusa then we're in for real shake up.

Now that I think about it, I'm starting to see some similarities with Doom Guy.

Pete Hines in a Nintendo Power Podcast: "who knows, maybe some more surprises for Nintendo fans"

Crash Bandicoot twitter account: "Along with some other fun happenings in celebration of the franchises 25th anniversary"



I think Koei Tecmo would still choose Ryu Hayabusa over anyone else because he best represents what the company is all about. If they didn't see any potential in him he wouldn't be used in so many crossovers. I don't disagree with Nintendo using real life people because they've already done that with the Dr. Kawashima assist trophy but again I think Hayabusa is very important to Koei Tecmo.

As for the Battletoads, I don't see why Nintendo would save a spot for a retro character nor how that improves their chances of getting in.

You make good points but, at least for me, when I think of Koei-Tecmo, the first thing that comes to my mind are the Warriors games. They have had countless spin-offs and have worked with Nintendo with two Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors. Age of Calamity was actually Nintendo’s big holiday game last year.

As for Battletoads, that is just wishful thinking on my part because they are my most wanted. It only really helps them if Nintendo wants a retro rep but decided that Lu Bu would be better than Ryu Hyabusa for some reason. I admit that’s unlikely but it is technically possible.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I think it’s safe to say that if we get an Overwatch Spirit Event before Crash, ergo, that Activision Blizzard’s first piece of involvement is non playable content, then Crash is dead

People still think Sol Badguy has a chance after those spirits from Arc Sys, in fact some think he's more likely.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Imagine the Pass ending with Master Chief and Sol Badguy. Not gonna lie but I'd be pretty content with that.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That would mean that all Arc System Works characters are out of the running as well, so no Sol Badguy or Ragna.

Marvelous as well, so no Senran Kagura or anything

not sure if the Travis costume counts against Marvelous as that’s technically Grasshopper Manufacture

 

[Lyncario]

So if I'm following this, then Hayabusa is most likely dead. Huh. I guess we should have seen this one coming, considering how he was often paired up with Doomguy in fake leaks, and well, we learned of Doomguy's fate regarding Smash pretty early in this pass.

 

[RileyXY1]

So if I'm following this, then Hayabusa is most likely dead. Huh. I guess we should have seen this one coming, considering how he was often paired up with Doomguy in fake leaks, and well, we learned of Doomguy's fate regarding Smash pretty early in this pass.

Yeah. With Hayabusa possibly deconfirmed I'm now expecting more lowkey characters for CP10 and CP11.

 

[Garteam]

When your two predictions for FP10 and FP11 get deconfirmed, one of which was your most wanted...

Not gonna lie, this did actually take a fair bit of wind out of my sails lol. Smash Ultimate has still given me a lot of my most wanteds (, , and), so it's difficult to be too upset at this development.

Honestly, I have absolutely no idea who the next two fighters are now that Ryu Hayabusa, Bandana Waddle Dee, and Capcom as a whole are down the toilet, so I'm just going to stab the air and say Lloyd because of the Mii Costume and Ayumi Tachibana because FP1 and Smash for's DLC saved a spot for an earlier release.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

People still think Sol Badguy has a chance after those spirits from Arc Sys, in fact some think he's more likely.

See, for the longest time I’ve thought the opposite. Yes, Sephiroth got in despite two Square Enix Spirit Events preceding him, but you gotta also keep in mind we already had Cloud and Hero playable beforehand. But the spirits being ArcSys’s first content, before a playable character? Yeah that doesn’t bode well

I could at least see it as the start of negotiations for next Smash or even Ultimate Deluxe/Encore, but even that’s doubtful