Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SpectreJordan]

I’d say that that technically a character doesn’t get their Invitation until their reveal trailer. So this is a major non-answer IMO.

 

[Brother AJ]

The whole Kirkhope "breath" quote is kind of irritating in retrospect. It really muddied the waters on speculation. Now everyone and their grandma uses that every single time a developer seemingly disconfims a character.

I honestly don't even know how he got away with it. Some sort of loop hole in the NDA? I feel like I don't even understand everything an NDA entails.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Come on, Cortez! You can catch up to the Smash hype train! You've been doing so since Challenger Pack 5! I believe in you!

Time to Split!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

The whole Kirkhope "breath" quote is kind of irritating in retrospect. It really muddied the waters on speculation. Now everyone and their grandma uses that every single time a developer seemingly disconfims a character.

I honestly don't even know how he got away with it. Some sort of loop hole in the NDA? I feel like I don't even understand everything an NDA entails.

I think it was merely about the music. Remember, Kirkhope’s a composer

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Has there been any interesting new information outside of Ryu Hayabusa's supposed disconfirmation lately?

If Crash is also unlikely and Spyro's chances still aren't looking very good, then I legitimately wouldn't be surprised if our last two fighters were first party characters.

And as I feel there's a small number of first party characters lacking on the roster, I honestly wouldn't complain if that were the case.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I think it was merely about the music. Remember, Kirkhope’s a composer

Kirkhope did some of the remixed songs in Smash though like the Spiral Mountain remix and the remix of the main theme.

 

[cashregister9]

If Koei Tecmo were going to choose anyone, it'd probably be Ryu Hayabusa. if Ryu Hayabusa is out then Koei Tecmo as a whole are out.

Or this is how Ar Tonelico Wins!

 

[Opossum]

I think it’s safe to say that if we get an Overwatch Spirit Event before Crash, ergo, that Activision Blizzard’s first piece of involvement is non playable content, then Crash is dead

I mean, Tsubasa had her spirit in the game before Joker was confirmed, and we got Trials of Mana spirits before Sephiroth. To add to that, if this were a deal breaker, we wouldn't be talking about Ryu Hayabusa before the apparent disconfirmation due to the base game Fatal Frame content.

An Overwatch spirit event would have no bearing on Crash. Now a Crash Bandicoot spirit event...that obviously would.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

No, he didn't. He told people to "Not hold their breath" in response to someone asking him about it. The context was entirely different, as was the flavor of response.

This is pretty strong.

Contextually, it was in response to someone asking for BK in Smash for Wii U and he was right. They shouldn’t hold their breath for Banjo in Wii U.

 

[Brother AJ]

I think it was merely about the music. Remember, Kirkhope’s a composer

I'm not sure what you mean. His comment was in reference to someone that was hoping B&K would be in Ultimate:

I know he's a composer, but since he turned out to be directly involved in Ultimate you wouldn't think he could say something like this...

 

[Cosmic77]

We only have two characters left, so I don't think it's wild to assume the truth is being told and that Ryu Hayabusa is genuinely not happening.

Yeah, there's always the small chance that they're purposely misleading us, put those cases are vastly outnumbered by people who gave us an honest and genuine response. That's why I wouldn't hold my breath, especially when we're this close to the end.

 

[SharkLord]

Huh, the thread jumped a little. Wonder why...

Famitsu, Fumihiko Yasuda interview.

Q. So apparently some fans are waiting for Ryu to join a certain melee action game.
A. Us too are wating for an invitation letter (lol).

Ah, so that's why.

Personally, I think this seems like a neutral response until we get a more detailed translation. It could be interpreted as them wishing Hayabusa was in Smash, or waiting for him to be revealed. I'm reserving judgement for now.

 

[Gengar84]

Alright, I have a question for everybody. Now that Hyabusa is supposedly out of the running, who do you think is the most likely retro rep we could possibly get. I think Bill Rizer is likely the biggest NES rep left but might have issues with his play style due to being purely a gunner.

I think it is likely just my bias showing, but are the Battletoads actually a contender for the most likely NES/retro character now? They have appeared in multiple crossovers and even had a new game last year.

 

[Will]

How many times will it take before you guys calm yourselves down with these interviews? This is like the fifth or maybe even sixth time.

Now that Hyabusa is supposedly out of the running

Stop saying that and spreading misinformation, he isn't.

 

[Gengar84]

How many times will it take before you guys calm yourselves down with these interviews? This is like the fifth or maybe even sixth time.


Stop saying that and spreading misinformation, he isn't.

Hence why I said supposedly. I’m just going by what I’m reading here.

 

[SharkLord]

Now that I've taken a moment to read through the thread...

It feels almost like you guys want him to be deconfirmed. They're just "He hasn't gotten his invitation yet." Maybe it means he's not coming, but it could also mean the trailer just hasn't dropped yet to confirm him, because they obviously can't. Like SpectreJordan said, he's not getting that envelope until he's revealed.

Chill out, guys. This means nothing.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Come on, Cortez! You can catch up to the Smash hype train! You've been doing so since Challenger Pack 5! I believe in you!

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Time to Split!

Maybe get him in that one Sega arcade game that nobody talks about. The one with the lever cart thingy.

Or we can try Smash. That works too...

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

Now that I've taken a moment to read through the thread...

It feels almost like you guys want him to be deconfirmed. They're just "He hasn't gotten his invitation yet." Maybe it means he's not coming, but it could also mean the trailer just hasn't dropped yet to confirm him, because they obviously can't. Like SpectreJordan said, he's not getting that envelope until he's revealed.

Chill out, guys. This means nothing.

If he was in though, I doubt they'd even be allowed to hint at that. Sounded more like Yasuda is waiting for his invitation to get something of his into smash.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Now that I've taken a moment to read through the thread...

It feels almost like you guys want him to be deconfirmed. They're just "He hasn't gotten his invitation yet." Maybe it means he's not coming, but it could also mean the trailer just hasn't dropped yet to confirm him, because they obviously can't. Like SpectreJordan said, he's not getting that envelope until he's revealed.

Chill out, guys. This means nothing.

Bingo. It could be a disconfirmation, but it’s worded very vaguely. It’s not like the DoomGuy one.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Maybe get him in that one Sega arcade game that nobody talks about. The one with the lever cart thingy.

Or we can try Smash. That works too...

No I definitely think Cortez should take a character slot over someone else's most wanted.

 

[Will]

That's a pretty NDA answer if I've ever seen one. Not confirming, not deconfirming either, they're just not telling. And that's that. If you're going to dig deeper, look at the graves the Sora and Travis fans made by hyping up developer comments.

If he was in though, I doubt they'd even be allowed to hint at that. Sounded more like Yasuda is waiting for his invitation to get something of his into smash.

Ah, so you're the lawmaker of what can and can't be said?

 

[Megadoomer]

I said it in the Ryu Hayabusa thread, but I don't know how much these interviews mean, especially when it seems like very few people within the companies are going to know about whether or not a character makes it into Smash. I don't know who was around in the pre-Brawl days, but back then, there was an interview about Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games where representatives from Nintendo and Sega said that Sonic appearing in Smash Bros. is "not on the cards at the moment" or otherwise implying that he won't make it in. We know how that turned out.

There are cases where comments like that mean that a character won't be included (ex. Kojima saying that he wasn't involved with Smash during the development of Smash 4), but considering that even a "no comment" can throw the speculation community into a tizzy (as seen with Suda 51 for No More Heroes and Donald Mustard for Fortnite), I wouldn't read too deeply into this.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Now that I've taken a moment to read through the thread...

It feels almost like you guys want him to be deconfirmed. They're just "He hasn't gotten his invitation yet." Maybe it means he's not coming, but it could also mean the trailer just hasn't dropped yet to confirm him, because they obviously can't. Like SpectreJordan said, he's not getting that envelope until he's revealed.

Chill out, guys. This means nothing.

Counterpoint: Pyra had her invite WAY before her trailer began.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Counterpoint: Pyra had her invite WAY before her trailer began.

Counterpoint: Terry had his invite in the middle of his trailer.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

That's a pretty NDA answer if I've ever seen one. Not confirming, not deconfirming either, they're just not telling. And that's that. If you're going to dig deeper, look at the graves the Sora and Travis fans made by hyping up developer comments.


Ah, so you're the lawmaker of what can and can't be said?

There's no need for that hostility, we don't know how NDA's work entirely but going off of what we've seen from interviews so far this could be a telling sign.

 

[Will]

Counterpoint: Terry had his invite in the middle of his trailer.

Counterpoint: Sephiroth wasn't even invited.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Another interview “disconfirm” oh boy, my favorite!

/s

Basically, y’all can’t keep looking into interviews for who’s in or out. Every interviewer is going to be intentionally vague in all of them. Y’all just jumping at interviews and other things that could disconfirm characters in the hope that you’ll narrow the next character down but in all honesty, if we’ve learned anything from this speculation cycle, you’re definitely not going to.

 

[Brother AJ]

There's no need for that hostility, we don't know how NDA's work entirely but going off of what we've seen from interviews so far this could be a telling sign.

We really need an active civil lawyer in the Smash speculation community let me tell you...

 

[Will]

There's no need for that hostility, we don't know how NDA's work entirely but going off of what we've seen from interviews so far this could be a telling sign.

It's just sarcasm, I'm not assaulting you.

Also, that's very sus. You're following "we don't know how NDA's work" with "it could be a telling sign", implying that we know how it works? C'mon, at least say you'd rather it be the end for Hayabusa if you want it that way, no harm in opinions.

 

[chocolatejr9]

We really need an active civil lawyer in the Smash speculation community let me tell you...

OBJECTION!

We actually need an attorney! Preferably one from a Capcom game!

 

[Brother AJ]

It's just sarcasm, I'm not assaulting you.

Also, that's very sus. You're following "we don't know how NDA's work" with "it could be a telling sign", implying that we know how it works? C'mon, at least say you'd rather it be the end for Hayabusa if you want it that way, no harm in opinions.

Nah, you are acting pretty hostile. And it gets so old seeing people assume you don't want a character just for being cautious...

 

[cashregister9]

I'm starting to think there are some Bias's within the speculation scene. Shocking news I know.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

We really need an active civil lawyer in the Smash speculation community let me tell you...

"Your honour, my client has not said anything that would even imply a non-disclosure agreement has been made and clearly was just asked if they would like their character. Now if you excuse me, I need to check my mail, Maya's been pestering me that this letter I got is a big deal so I'll have to check it out and sue her for opening and reading my mail"

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yosuke Hayashi is probably the guy in Team Ninja who really gets a say on whether or not Ryu is in Smash. But between Shimbori's comments and now this.... pic.twitter.com/u2GYYOt9YO

— James (@jamesster445) March 24, 2021

Which comments is this person referring to...?

 

[drag0nscythe]

I dont really care for Ryu Hayabusa. He is a niche character from the 90s to me. People only yell his importance because of their childhood, like Banjo. He seems prime for Mii Costume to me.

 

[Will]

Nah, you are acting pretty hostile. And it gets so old seeing people assume you don't want a character just for being cautious...

Being cautious would mean it's neither confirming nor deconfirming, not leaning towards a definitive answer. If you're leaning towards a yes or a no, that's pretty bold and reckless.

 

[Cosmic77]

At the very least, I'd lower my expectations for Hayabusa. We've had several people say similar things about other popular characters, and obviously some of them were telling the truth since there's only two spots left.

Point is, I don't think we should continue to say, "It doesn't mean anything," and act like absolutely nothing has changed. There's nothing wrong with staying optimistic, but we're setting ourselves up for major disappointment. Disappointment that we honestly should've been prepared for because of these comments.

 

[Sigran101]

I was predicting we wouldn't get Hayabusa or Crash anyway. My best guess is Rayman and King Boo.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Yosuke Hayashi is probably the guy in Team Ninja who really gets a say on whether or not Ryu is in Smash. But between Shimbori's comments and now this.... pic.twitter.com/u2GYYOt9YO

— James (@jamesster445) March 24, 2021

Which comments is this person referring to...?

The director of Dead or Alive came out a while back and said that he would choose Kasumi as a DoA rep but that’s pretty much it.

 

[Brother AJ]

Being cautious would mean it's neither confirming nor deconfirming, not leaning towards a definitive answer. If you're leaning towards a yes or a no, that's pretty bold and reckless.

There are different degrees of caution. No I'm not sure either way, but it's POSSIBLE that this could count against him. I see a lot of people echoing the same thing. The person you quoted even said it "could" be a telling sign. Clearly not a definitive answer.