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Personally, on the Surface, Crash does have everything going for him, in that he doesn't really have any Flaws in terms of consideration
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Barely anyone was certain on Resident Evil though, it's just that the main argument in its favour was being bigger than other Capcom franchises and that people should maybe consider it alongside others. No one treated it like a lock so your revisionism looks mighty silly.
I think this is dishonest as while Resi got very popular here after people realized "Wait that'd be pretty fun", I don't think I've seen nearly as much fan demand for Resi compared to Crash, hell, other Capcom characters seemed to have more fan demand than the Resi trio
I don't think Microsoft gives a **** about that lol
Ah yes. This is all building up to a fantastic pay off.
Except isn't Resident Evil Capcom's biggest franchise? Iconic-wise I know that'd be Street Fighter and Mega Man.
It's also not just a thing that was exclusive to RE, Travis was one of the community frontrunners before he got Mii'ed, and Geno was seen similarly by some before Sephiroth hapened.
I think the best example of this is characters getting support threads on the exact day they're announced. It's not done out of genuine love for the character, it's not done because the OP thought "Wow I actually like this a lot", but it's done because they know that if that character gets in, they get to brag about being right
Exactly a very good point there.
I never said that he's guaranteed because there is a chance that Nintendo simply just doesn't pick him. You can be skeptic all you want but all I've seen from you talking against his inclusion is how everyone's saying "he's popular and obvious". That seems pretty contrarian to me.
I wouldn't say Hero was a "contrarian pick", most people were expecting at least Erdrick after the "Brave" datamine leak, as well as comments from Tansut, and there was already talk about some kind of Dragon Quest rep prior. His reveal wasn't completely out of the blue as Joker/Terry/Min Min/Sephiroth were.
I'd probably peg them as having similar odds. Two characters of well known franchises from Western companies that have managed a solid relationship with Nintendo (especially in the Switch era), with huge successes here and good results in Japan to boot. Basically getting one and not the other doesn't seem that shocking either way.
I disagree with Mega Man being more iconic than RE but that proves my point, Mega Man was added because he was the most requested Capcom character. RE was never really considered by Smash fans until very recently due to fans bringing up the idea. Crash doesn't have the same situation as RE, hell, your Ryu and Mega Man comparisons work in Crash's favour as he's not the biggest franchise Activision has to offer
A lot of people seem to conflate and misread "Crash is pretty likely" as "I think Crash is in" when that's not what's being said and a lot of the talk around him is really dishonest (dishonesty seems to have become really damn popular recently). No one sincerely thinks he's absolutely in. It's that he has far more merit than most characters and there's very little actually going against him. It's really just "they might not pick him" now.
Fair enough.
That's the thing, barely anyone actually considers Crash a shoe-in so this is just preaching to the choir.
Yeah, Dante and Phoenix have always been the community darlings for Capcom.
You misconstrued what I said when I was saying that "he's popular and obvious" is often the CORE of people's arguments for Crash. As true as it is, it's not exactly something exclusive to him. So I don't think it's contrarian to not be blindly convinced by this, a statement that can be applied toward about a hundred characters still absent from Smash. If you truly read my posts you would know I'm skeptical of additional western characters in general and believe Crash's popularity may have come too late to have a significant impact.
That it doesn't really make Crash special? If there are more characters who this can be said about than there are slots remaining in the Fighter's Pass, I can't really fault anyone for being skeptical of any character.
Yeah I was speaking more on how Dragon Quest was hardly ever discussed BEFORE Verge's input, but that's true as well. It's a bit of an odd case.
I always found it strange how quickly people rule out the possibility of two characters from the same company appearing in FP2. Sure, we haven't seen any repeat companies on the same pass yet, but we're only two passes in. Plus, out of the eight DLC characters we've gotten thus far, two of them were from Square and two of them were from Microsoft. Logically, from a negotiations standpoint, it might even make more sense for Nintendo to get multiple characters from the same company. It's not like Sakurai or Nintendo would reject Lara Croft simply because we already have Sephiroth.
As likely as I think Crash is, I kind of agree. I'd say the main thing that makes him stand out is his status as a mascot. It's a title only a handful of characters hold. Sonic, Crash, and maybe Master Chief are some of the only characters that are remembered for going toe-to-toe with Mario in the console wars. That's huge. On top of his important legacy, his series is also being massively revitalized and is getting a ton of action on Nintendo consoles. It's just such a uniquely perfect opportunity that Nintendo will surely recognize.
Skyrim was, and still is, a very big deal. That's it really. From a sales perspective, Skyrim alone has sold better than the entire DOOM series. It's one of the biggest phenomenon's in all of gaming. It's pretty unheard of for a single player RPG to remain relevant for ten straight years. Add on the fact that it had a Switch release with Nintendo exclusive content, and that Bethesda has a Mii costume in Ultimate and it seems like a decent enough bet. I'm not personally expecting Dovahkiin, but there is a pretty solid argument for him.
Honestly I think we don't give Hero enough credit for shaping speculation since, we always look at Snake and Cloud as examples of the floodgates opening for other characters which is entirely true, don't get me wrong, but Dragon Quest getting brought up due to Brave and Vergeben made people realize "Huh. This adds up, it makes sense". This is important because have we not as a community started speculating more about characters and franchises that nobody ever brought up before since? Like, would the likes of Adol and Sol have ever been brought up had we never gotten Hero to make us realize we can expand the horizons even further? Maybe I'm just rambling nonsensically but I swear we've gotten significantly different focuses on speculation since Brave than before that leak
To be fair, I do notice people randomly bringing up Crash out of nowhere just to criticize his chances. I don't really see the same for other picks like Hayabusa.
I disagree with this point. While more serious/darker characters still fit the parameters for Smash, I still do believe that characters that "fit" into the game better get heavier consideration. Literally the only non-anime/cartoony character we have in the entire game is Snake. 1/75 is not a great ratio.
Similarly I don't feel there's a whole lot that makes Dovahkiin LESS likely than Crash to the same point. Another western property that has seen massive success in Japan, it has a presence on Switch, Nintendo and Bethesda have a great working relationship. Massively impactful game, just not as old as Crash.
Fair enough, I was lumping anime more into the category of characters that many people judge as not fitting up against characters like Mario, Sonic and Banjo - since I see a lot of pushback toward heavily anime styled series and characters despite so many of them being in Smash as well. I don't fault people for having preferences either, but really anything is fair game at this point.
Hayabusa's been brought up countless times just to **** on him lmao, there's been more discussion on how he's a boring safe pick than how cool it'd be to bring him in.
Do we really count Hero when they only got talked about after they leaked? This is like saying Ryu was a safe pick in Smash 4 and I sure as **** don't remember Ryu ever being discussed before that datamine
It's honestly hilarious looking back that RYU of all characters was a dark horse. I suppose it probably had something to do with no "additional reps per companies" at the time, and also some really old comments about fighting game characters in Smash, but man times have certainly changed haven't they?
Byleth had to share with the House Lords and was generally seen as being Pass 2 anyway so they're somewhat left field in that they opted for Byleth and that they were in Pass 1.
People were on some "No fighting game characters" **** too.
I think Joker was really the one that open more suggestion. Joker was really special because he was neither a big mascot like Mega man, Snake or Pac-man, and he didn't have strong ties to Nintendo like Bayonetta. For me Joker was the moment that I realise that a lot of character could happen that I would have never consider before.
I remember some people predicting a DQ character of some kind back in like 2018, though I guess there were also a lot of people saying we'd get Geno or Sora (technically not a Square-Enix character).
Yeah cause they were on Verge's Square Seven list, aftet Verge proved he was reliable for Smash leaks. I only ever saw the oh so rare Slime discussion if DQ ever got discussed, but never the Heroes outside of one guy who adores Dragon Quest 8
I remember DQ being discussed a bit, but most of the time it was quickly dismissed because "Square stingy".
