Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SharkLord]

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Even with Geno getting mii costumed again, we're never gonna be free of these pointless discussions about him until the DLC ends aren't we....

geno voice I will never be a memory

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

I feel a bit responsible...

All I was trying to do was say that an idea wasn't coming from thin air.

Didn't mean to light a fire. Sorry about that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Patrick, Squidward, Mr.Krabs, Sandy, Plankton (if Spongebob ever got in)

really

you're going this far

 

[DarthEnderX]

To move back to greener pastures. Who does everyone want the next fully unique secondary 3rd party character to be, like Sephiroth was to Cloud?

Raiden, Zero, Chun Li/Bison or Alucard would all be excellent choices to me.

If Arthur gets in, give me Firebrand.
If Dante gets in, give me Vergil.

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

The problem with Smash is that so much would be cool in it that inevitably many cool possibilities will not materialize, no matter how much amazing content we do get. Sakurai and his team could announce FP3 with another half-dozen popular characters and people would still be upset because something potentially cool didn't end up happening. And I get that. Development time and budget are obviously finite.

But I do think it's important to recognize that some stuff you want isn't going to be what you wanted personally. For example, I really wanted Shovel Knight playable, and he's an Assist Trophy. Now, I could go into all the ins and outs of "ATs deconfirm" vs. "no they don't", or I can be happy he's in the game at all. I'm choosing the latter.

I don't want to rain on the parade of Geno fans or anyone else who's still holding out hope for a character who is, looking at all available information, implied not to be coming. But I think it's good to appreciate what the devs have been able to give us.

 

[Guynamednelson]

But I think it's good to appreciate what the devs have been able to give us.

Yes, but please don't try to discourage people who want their characters to become more. I understand wanting to be grateful, but being too grateful could eventually result in you never getting to control Shovel Knight beating up Mario. And yes, you should want to eventually be able control your character, because Smash isn't just a list of video game characters. It's a game itself.

 

[Pillow]

Raiden, Zero, Chun Li/Bison or Alucard would all be excellent choices to me.

Pretty much the same choices for me. Generally speaking I’d rather have more representation from other series first though. Sephiroth is kind of a weirdo in that he’s arguably more well known than the protagonist from his game. Only Chun-Li and Alucard can really say the same out of all the potential 3rd party double dip characters (technically Alucard is the protagonist of his games and I think has a larger attendance to castlevania game than any other character )

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yes, but please don't try to discourage people who want their characters to become more. I understand wanting to be grateful, but being too grateful could eventually result in you never getting to control Shovel Knight beating up Mario. And yes, you should want to eventually be able control your character, because Smash isn't just a list of video game characters. It's a game itself.

I love the implication that getting something that's not playable means you're either never going to ask for it again or go online to yell at people who think they're out for the game and that there's no possible middleground like saying "I'd prefer playable but this is better than nothing"

 

[Guynamednelson]

either never going to ask for it again

Tell me where all those people that still want Samurai Goroh playable are.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Tell me where all those people that still want Samurai Goroh playable are.

Call me crazy, but F Zero not having seen a game in over 15 years causing the fanbase to constantly shrink over time sounds like a bigger issue than Goroh having an AT. I still see the likes of Starfy, Lyn, Travis, Heihachi, Lloyd, Zero, Alucard, etc all get brought up as examples of characters people would like to see get playable without passive aggressive yelling at everyone who thinks they're not possible for Ultimate anymore. Y'know, like that middleground I mentioned

 

[Guynamednelson]

passive aggressive yelling at everyone who thinks they're not possible for Ultimate anymore

It would be easier to do that if the fanbase wasn't so averse to risks now. I kind of miss the days when people thought they left out Porky's spirit because he'd be playable, because that's pretty much the extreme opposite of people now thinking the only way to have a chance is to be an unrepresented franchise that at least 50 million people recognize or Cinderace.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Oh, my bad.

To move back to greener pastures. Who does everyone want the next fully unique secondary 3rd party character to be, like Sephiroth was to Cloud?
Though hes an assist, I'd love for Alucard to make his debut as full fighter. I think hes actually got a great shot in Smash 6 if Konami returns.

Chun Li

 

[Pillow]

It would be easier to do that if the fanbase wasn't so averse to risks now. I kind of miss the days when people thought they left out Porky's spirit because he'd be playable, because that's pretty much the extreme opposite of people now thinking the only way to have a chance is to be an unrepresented franchise that at least 50 million people recognize or Cinderace.

Listen buddy. It's an unrepresented franchise that at least 50 million people recognize, Cinderace, or Rex.

 

[osby]

It would be easier to do that if the fanbase wasn't so averse to risks now. I kind of miss the days when people thought they left out Porky's spirit because he'd be playable, because that's pretty much the extreme opposite of people now thinking the only way to have a chance is to be an unrepresented franchise that at least 50 million people recognize or Cinderace.

This thread has been regularly talking about a new Xenoblade, Sonic, or Street Fighter character since Sephiroth's release. People are definitely more cautious about their predictions nowadays but the speculation is hardly the hyperbole you're making up to be.

Also, nobody brings up Cinderace as much you.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

-Vegeta, Broly, Goku Black, Hit, Gogeta (Of course of Goku were ever added)
-Venom (if Spider Man were ever added)
-Patrick, Squidward, Mr.Krabs, Sandy, Plankton (if Spongebob ever got in)
-Mickey Mouse

but why

 

[7NATOR]

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but why

He said characters I wanted, So I gave him the Full list

I would want characters like Broly, Mr.Krabs, and Venom in Smash. Now I don't think they will get in any time soon, but that doesn't mean I can't find the idea cool

 

[DarthEnderX]

Sephiroth is kind of a weirdo in that he’s arguably more well known than the protagonist from his game.

I'd say they're pretty much exactly even. I can't imagine somebody knowing one of them and not the other.

Only Chun-Li and Alucard can really say the same out of all the potential 3rd party double dip characters (technically Alucard is the protagonist of his games and I think has a larger attendance to castlevania game than any other character )

For Alucard, Raiden, Zero and Firebrand I'd say they deserve it because each of them stars in their own games.

Tell me where all those people that still want Samurai Goroh playable are.

That WAS me for awhile. But then my pick for an F-Zero character became "Black Shadow echo with Ganondorf's old moveset" instead. But that only happened during Ultimate.

 

[Pillow]

I'd say they're pretty much exactly even. I can't imagine somebody knowing one of them and not the other.

For Alucard, Raiden, Zero and Firebrand I'd say they deserve it because each of them stars in their own games.

You're right about that, but even being even is pretty impressive for a villain character.

It's kind of a relative thing to me. Yes, they all have their own games and they're all pretty awesome characters in their own right. I won't speak on Firebrand since I'm wholly unfamiliar with GnG, but Raiden wouldn't get into Smash before Snake, and Zero would never have gotten in before Megaman or even X (I realize that PSBA and MVC3 are kind of evidence against this claim but I think those games have a different MO in terms of roster building than Smash) while I could definitely have seen Chun-Li or Alucard coming to Smash without Ryu or the Belmonts coming before them.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I won't speak on Firebrand since I'm wholly unfamiliar with GnG

Gargoyle's Quest/Demon's Crest games are good. Probably better than the GnG games actually.

Firebrand mostly has a lot of Ridley energy to him.

and Zero would never have gotten in before Megaman or even X

I mean, he probably WILL get in before X, but only because Mega Man is already in, and he and X are very redundant.

Zero's moveset is completely unique. And he serves a rep to both the X series AND his own Zero series.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It would be easier to do that if the fanbase wasn't so averse to risks now. I kind of miss the days when people thought they left out Porky's spirit because he'd be playable, because that's pretty much the extreme opposite of people now thinking the only way to have a chance is to be an unrepresented franchise that at least 50 million people recognize or Cinderace.

Huh that's weird, could have sworn you still regularly see people want Geno, Isaac, Lloyd, Krystal, Dixie, Waluigi, Pheonix Wright and more despite this supposed fear of risks. What does this 'fear of risks' have to do with screaming at people while constantly strawmanning and bringing up characters you don't like?

 

[Pillow]

Gargoyle's Quest/Demon's Crest games are good. Probably better than the GnG games actually.

Firebrand mostly has a lot of Ridley energy to him.

I mean, he probably WILL get in before X, but only because Mega Man is already in, and he and X are very redundant.

Zero's moveset is completely unique. And he serves a rep to both the X series AND his own Zero series.

I'll take your word for it! I'm not much of a retro game or platform player though.

And yeah I should've said that Zero would never have gotten in before Megaman or X. And I know Zero's moveset would be completely unique, but so would pretty much any of potential double dip 3rd party characters! Like, I have serious doubts about Raiden ever becoming a playable Smash character due to the current state of the Metal Gear franchise and Konami's current attitude towards Kojima, but he'd be so cool flying around cutting up everything. If anything, the most deserving potential candidate of the group, Chun-Li, would also arguably have the most boring moveset.

 

[LAA9000]

Something of interest: today Nintendo of Japan revealed a Monster Hunter Rise special edition Switch:

https://twitter.com/Nintendo/status/1354234698369785856?s=20

I'm gonna keep saying this: Nintendo and Capcom are promoting the hell out of this game, and in my eyes the logical next step would be to put the Hunter in Smash. I'm not attached to this series at all, but from a business perspective this is too big of an opportunity for them to pass up.

Or it could get a Spirit Event, and my one specific character prediction will go down the drain.

 

[Pillow]

Something of interest: today Nintendo of Japan revealed a Monster Hunter Rise special edition Switch:

https://twitter.com/Nintendo/status/1354234698369785856?s=20

I'm gonna keep saying this: Nintendo and Capcom are promoting the hell out of this game, and in my eyes the logical next step would be to put the Hunter in Smash. I'm not attached to this series at all, but from a business perspective this is too big of an opportunity for them to pass up.

Or it could get a Spirit Event, and my one specific character prediction will go down the drain.

Monster Hunter has definitely been pushed for a while now. It's no surprise after the massive success of World. I'm a fan of the series. My only qualm is that the titular Monster Hunter characters....lack actual character. At least other characters like Corrin, Robin, and Inklings aren't referred to by their job title (I'll give you Pokemon Trainer, though they could've just as easily named that character Red). It probably won't happen, but I'd much rather get the protagonist of the upcoming Monster Hunter Stories game than an actual Monster Hunter.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Monster Hunter has definitely been pushed for a while now. It's no surprise after the massive success of World. I'm a fan of the series. My only qualm is that the titular Monster Hunter characters....lack actual character. At least other characters like Corrin, Robin, and Inklings aren't referred to by their job title (I'll give you Pokemon Trainer, though they could've just as easily named that character Red). It probably won't happen, but I'd much rather get the protagonist of the upcoming Monster Hunter Stories game than an actual Monster Hunter.

Well, there are the Heroes, and they all have canon, default names of their own. I doubt that naming conventions are stopping anything. I’ve never played Monster Hunter, so all I know is that they use big weapons to kill big things, and... yeah, that’s pretty much my basic understanding of it.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It would be easier to do that if the fanbase wasn't so averse to risks now. I kind of miss the days when people thought they left out Porky's spirit because he'd be playable, because that's pretty much the extreme opposite of people now thinking the only way to have a chance is to be an unrepresented franchise that at least 50 million people recognize or Cinderace.

Plot twist, we are getting Dragapult because it’s the most popular Sword and Shield Pokemon.

 

[PSIGuy]

I feel like the closest thing I can give you for Elma is her support thread. That thing seems to be swelling like crazy as of late.

BUY ELMA STONKS

ゼノクロがベストセラー入ってるってどゆこと...
少し前まで1000円と少しだったのに最近になって何かあったのでしょうか pic.twitter.com/R97vyS68X0

— じどー (@jidoauto) January 25, 2021

INVEST IN XENOBLADE X NOW

I mean... I think her chances are OK (as in 'they exist, even if you need a microscope to observe them'). I'll be the first XBX fan to say we're all a bit loose in the head, though. I think a lot of fans are going back and trying out X because they beat 1, DE and Torna ages ago and want to try out more of the series, while "Nintendo's big 2021 titles: Wii U ports" is always a safe bet. But just because it seems obvious doesn't mean it is obvious. I do wonder if Nintendo pays attention to surges in sales for older titles, though.

 

[Staarih]

Something of interest: today Nintendo of Japan revealed a Monster Hunter Rise special edition Switch:

https://twitter.com/Nintendo/status/1354234698369785856?s=20

I'm gonna keep saying this: Nintendo and Capcom are promoting the hell out of this game, and in my eyes the logical next step would be to put the Hunter in Smash. I'm not attached to this series at all, but from a business perspective this is too big of an opportunity for them to pass up.

Or it could get a Spirit Event, and my one specific character prediction will go down the drain.

Nintendo's really taking out the competition in March, geez.

But yeah, I feel like MonHun is slowly becoming that series that'll feel like a weird omission in the long run if it won't get more content/playable character in Smash. The IP has been strong for a while and keeps on growing, great success on Nintendo consoles as well and Rise will likely continue that path. I guess we have Rathalos in Ultimate, sure, and the Mii costumes are likely returning, but it wouldn't surprise me if we got more. Not sure if it'll happen now, but in the future surely.

 

[Idon]

BUY ELMA STONKS

ゼノクロがベストセラー入ってるってどゆこと...
少し前まで1000円と少しだったのに最近になって何かあったのでしょうか pic.twitter.com/R97vyS68X0

— じどー (@jidoauto) January 25, 2021

INVEST IN XENOBLADE X NOW

I mean... I think her chances are OK (as in 'they exist, even if you need a microscope to observe them'). I'll be the first XBX fan to say we're all a bit loose in the head, though. I think a lot of fans are going back and trying out X because they beat 1, DE and Torna ages ago and want to try out more of the series, while "Nintendo's big 2021 titles: Wii U ports" is always a safe bet. But just because it seems obvious doesn't mean it is obvious. I do wonder if Nintendo pays attention to surges in sales for older titles, though.

With the size and scope of XCX, I feel like if they had considered porting it, a few sales of old games wouldn't push them one way or another.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

BUY ELMA STONKS

ゼノクロがベストセラー入ってるってどゆこと...
少し前まで1000円と少しだったのに最近になって何かあったのでしょうか pic.twitter.com/R97vyS68X0

— じどー (@jidoauto) January 25, 2021

INVEST IN XENOBLADE X NOW

I mean... I think her chances are OK (as in 'they exist, even if you need a microscope to observe them'). I'll be the first XBX fan to say we're all a bit loose in the head, though. I think a lot of fans are going back and trying out X because they beat 1, DE and Torna ages ago and want to try out more of the series, while "Nintendo's big 2021 titles: Wii U ports" is always a safe bet. But just because it seems obvious doesn't mean it is obvious. I do wonder if Nintendo pays attention to surges in sales for older titles, though.

I guess the whole word of mouth thing and X being the last Wii U title that needs porting talk really helped this game. For those who don't know, the tweet says that the game's gone up in price after a load of demand for the game to the point it's a bestseller now. Crazy how word of mouth can influence **** like this in an era where the mighty are too big to fail and small games like X typically go under

 

[Mamboo07]

Plot twist, we are getting Dragapult because it’s the most popular Sword and Shield Pokemon.

Nah, we getting the fire rabbit furry because starter Pokémon bias.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Since it's kinda slow here, I thought I'd bring up Michael Jackson again to show off these gifs from the Moonwalker Genesis/Mega Drive game.

Spoiler: Michael Jackson moveset

Jab

Forward Tilt

Up Tilt

Down Tilt

Side Smash

Forward Air

Neutral Special

Side Special

Final Smash

Kind of makes me wish he was a video game character.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Most of sonic's popularity in japan stems from wanting sonic and shadow to sleep together
SA2 is still the most beloved sonic game in japan.

Already better than the western fanbase

Neat.

 

[Lionfranky]

The problem with Smash is that so much would be cool in it that inevitably many cool possibilities will not materialize, no matter how much amazing content we do get. Sakurai and his team could announce FP3 with another half-dozen popular characters and people would still be upset because something potentially cool didn't end up happening. And I get that. Development time and budget are obviously finite.

But I do think it's important to recognize that some stuff you want isn't going to be what you wanted personally. For example, I really wanted Shovel Knight playable, and he's an Assist Trophy. Now, I could go into all the ins and outs of "ATs deconfirm" vs. "no they don't", or I can be happy he's in the game at all. I'm choosing the latter.

I don't want to rain on the parade of Geno fans or anyone else who's still holding out hope for a character who is, looking at all available information, implied not to be coming. But I think it's good to appreciate what the devs have been able to give us.

The possible solution to this is turning Ultimate into live service game. Sakurai can just pass baton to his successor. That way, possibility of newcomers is nigh endless as Ultimate continues on. They can update this game without need for developing next one.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Since it's kinda slow here, I thought I'd bring up Michael Jackson again to show off these gifs from the Moonwalker Genesis/Mega Drive game.

Spoiler: Michael Jackson moveset

Jab
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Forward Tilt
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Up Tilt
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Down Tilt
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Side Smash
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Forward Air
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Neutral Special
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Side Special
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Final Smash
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Kind of makes me wish he was a video game character.

May I suggest Yakuza 0's Miracle Johnson?

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine the next smash trailer starts and this pops up on the screen

i can't be the only one that kinda wants terraria content, right?

 

[Evil Trapezium]

May I suggest Yakuza 0's Miracle Johnson?

Yes you can.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Imagine the next smash trailer starts and this pops up on the screen
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i can't be the only one that kinda wants terraria content, right?

me but hearing this first line:
"Ruin has come to our family."

daily reminder to PLAY DARKEST DUNGEON

 

[JOJONumber691]

The possible solution to this is turning Ultimate into live service game. Sakurai can just pass baton to his successor. That way, possibility of newcomers is nigh endless as Ultimate continues on. They can update this game without need for developing next one.

Yeah, like that will ever happen. It's Nintendo and they hate actually making good online services that would make them a TON OF MONEY, but hey, some Moveset Changes to Mario and Samus would be AMAZING!

 

[Deleted member]

Nah, we getting the fire rabbit furry because starter Pokémon bias.

It's not Cinderace's fault he's clearly the best looking starter of Gen 8 (followed closely by Rillaboom).

 

[Deleted member]

Nah, we getting the fire rabbit furry because starter Pokémon bias.

putting aside the furry bait stuff, I like Cinderace’s soccer theming the most out of all the starters(with Intelon’s sniper theme being a close second) so I think it would be a pretty cool addition